Now, *this* was a former Navy guy who had a rather interesting life ...
La N
Father Paul, otherwise known as Lieutenant-Commander the Reverend Paul
Inglesby, who has died aged 94, held unconventional views on the origin
of Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOs) and once tried to stop the Queen
watching Steven Spielberg's alien film Close Encounters of the Third
Kind, claiming it was a satanic plot to seize control of her mind.
Published: 6:46PM BST 28 Jun 2010
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Father Paul
From boyhood Inglesby was fascinated by reports of flying saucers and,
assuming they were piloted craft from other worlds, subscribed to Flying
Saucer Review. But this assumption in no way interfered with his growing
religious faith.
In fact, as he described in his book UFOs and the Christian (1978),
Inglesby came to believe that, far from being piloted by aliens, UFOs
were of satanic origin.
He initially developed this view while ill in pre-war Malta, after
undergoing a spiritual experience in which he had visions of a future
war against demonic forces controlling spaceships and nuclear weapons.
Such was his conviction that, during the 1960s, he corresponded with
Admiral of the Fleet Earl Mountbatten and Air Chief Marshal Lord
Dowding, both of whom had publicly declared their belief in UFOs,
seeking to convince them of his hypothesis.
Inglesby was undeterred when Mountbatten, who had become Chief of the
Defence Staff, demurred, writing to say that the Chief Scientific
Advisor, Sir Solly Zuckerman, had persuaded him that there was no more
evidence for UFOs than for ghosts or the Loch Ness Monster.
Nevertheless, Inglesby wrote to the Archbishop of Canterbury, warning
that the Queen should not attend the premiere of Close Encounters of the
Third Kind (1977) at Leicester Square, as, he claimed, the film had a
satanic theme involving mind-control.
His attempt to have the film boycotted failed, but he had more success
at the House of Lords in its debate on UFOs in January 1979. Inglesby
persuaded Maurice Wood, Bishop of Norwich, to declare that obsessive
belief in UFOs obscured basic Christian truth.
Meanwhile, under the influence of Joe Fison (later Bishop of Salisbury),
Inglesby began to train for the priesthood at Wycliffe Hall, Oxford.
After ordination into the Church of England in 1964 he became a curate
in Plymouth. He was then rector of Caythorpe, Lincolnshire, and
subsequently Assistant Chaplain to the Isles of Scilly between 1966 and
1970 and of the Mission to Seamen from 1970 to 1973; and senior curate
at St Andrew's, Plymouth, until 1976.
In 1978 he placed a notice in the Church Times announcing the
establishment of the Christian UFO Research Association, a group of
ufologists and clergymen from a number of denominations whose aims were
to warn the public about the dangers of an obsessive interest in flying
saucers and the like. This interest, Inglesby cautioned, was fraught
with menace for the unwary and riddled with heresy and false belief.
Inglesby's conversion to the Greek Orthodox Church in 1980, when he took
the name Father Paul, followed a meeting at a monastery in California
with Father Seraphim Rose, who had written a treatise on UFOs as demonic
signs.
He spent the following two decades alerting friends and colleagues to
the satanic risks of UFOs, and in 1996 he collaborated with Admiral of
the Fleet Lord Hill-Norton to write The UFO Concern Report, which was
privately published but widely circulated. In the foreword Inglesby
wrote that UFOs were a religious concern rather than a military threat.
His conclusion was that, whether they appeared as physical, illusory,
delusional, psychic or psychological manifestations, they were still
working against the Peace of Christ.
He was born Eric Vredenburg on September 11 1915 during a Zeppelin raid
over London, to a Dutch entrepreneur father and an Afrikaner mother. He
was educated at the Nautical College, Pangbourne.
After failing to get into Dartmouth owing to his short-sightedness, in
1933 he joined the Navy as a special entry Paymaster Cadet in the
training cruiser Frobisher.
In 1933, during Frobisher's visit to Kiel, he shook hands with the
German Admiral Erich Raeder "and liked the look of him". In 1936, en
route to the Berlin Olympics, Inglesby was flown over the shipyards
where Bismarck and Tirpitz were building. The war found him in the
monitor Terror in Singapore: he saw active service in the Mediterranean,
and when she was sunk in February 1941 he was mentioned in dispatches.
Inglesby was next sent to Maleme in Crete, where he was one of the last
naval evacuees in June 1941. He was working for Combined Operations
Headquarters at the time of the Dieppe Raid in August 1942, and
remembered seeing Mountbatten visibly shaken as news of 60 per cent
casualties was received.
On being invalided out of the Navy in 1944, Inglesby became an assistant
editor at the Sunday Pictorial then read PPE at Queen's College, Oxford.
In 1946 he was secretary of the Sweet Rationing Board before his love of
sailing led him to settle in Cornwall, where he worked for the Cornish
education department from 1954 to 1963.
Inglesby always believed that the Nuremberg Trials were flawed and
politically motivated, and campaigned for the release of Raeder, who
wrote him a letter of thanks following his discharge from Spandau in 1955.
Pre-war, Inglesby represented the Navy at fencing at the Royal
Tournament; in Malta he bought a polo pony called Picador from Lord
Mountbatten; and in 1935 he learned to fly privately. He was a reserve
for the 1936 Olympics sailing team and in the 1970s was still sailing
his own boat around his Isles of Scilly parish.
Besides books on UFOs, Inglesby wrote several religious tracts. He was
an inveterate letter writer to The Daily Telegraph, using a typewriter
which he had saved from the sinking of Terror. He leaves a large archive
of papers relating to his UFO study and a complete set of Flying Saucer
Review.
Inglesby described Glastonbury, where he finally settled, as a psychic
telephone exchange, and he died there on May 26. He married, in 1956,
Anna Duke, who survives him with their two sons and a daughter.
Ray OHara
"La N" <nilita20...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Father Paul
>
> Father Paul, otherwise known as Lieutenant-Commander the Reverend Paul
> Inglesby, who has died aged 94, held unconventional views on the origin
> of Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOs) and once tried to stop the Queen
> watching Steven Spielberg's alien film Close Encounters of the Third
> Kind, claiming it was a satanic plot to seize control of her mind.
>
surely you meant psychotic life.
dott.Piergiorgio
> Inglesby described Glastonbury, where he finally settled, as a psychic
> telephone exchange,
well, the terminology can be incorrect, but that Glastonbury is an
excellent reservoir of Subtle energy is true, and I guess that this
reservoir is steadly filling as the main reservoir (whose I known in a
rather /personal/ manner...)
Best regards from Italy,
dott. Piergiorgio.
Dennis
> Father Paul
>
> Father Paul, otherwise known as Lieutenant-Commander the Reverend Paul
> Inglesby, who has died aged 94, held unconventional views on the
> origin of Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOs) and once tried to stop
> the Queen watching Steven Spielberg's alien film Close Encounters of
> the Third Kind, claiming it was a satanic plot to seize control of her
> mind.
>
> Published: 6:46PM BST 28 Jun 2010
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/military-obituaries/naval-ob
> ituaries/7859545/Father-Paul.html
He certainly *did* lead an interesting life, and he's an excellent
example of the danger of obsessive interest in flying saucers and the like.
Dennis
La N
Because I have a spot of ADD and go off on tangential thinking once in
awhile: Hypothetical Sci-Fi question. If UFOs were real, would there be
any valid reason that governments would want to cover them up or deny their
existence?
- nil ... oh look ... there's a shiny object on the sidewalk ....
William Black
Hypothetical Sci-Fi question. If UFOs were real, would there be
> any valid reason that governments would want to cover them up or deny their
> existence?
>
More to the point:
If there are people with an interstellar drive that works why are they
busy landing in the remoter parts of the Mid West and implanting people
whose major claim to importance is that they're their own uncle and
currently the subject of an investigation into the effects of inbreeding
in humans?
Why don't they just land on the Whitehouse lawn and offer Barry and his
family a trip to Mars and follow that with an invitation to sell the
planet for the interstellar equivalent of a handful of beads, which
will almost certainly be an interstellar drive...
--
William Black
These are the gilded popinjays and murderous assassins of Perfidious
Albion and they are about their Queen's business. Any man who impedes
their passage does so at his own peril.
Jeffrey Hamilton
LoL, a fascinating life for sure, nilita, but this fellow definately marched
to the beat of a different drummer.
May he rest in peace........
cheers.......Jeff
Jack Linthicum
Mars is not a pleasure spot. I would guess that there is some form of
galactic treasure hunt with finding the dumbest living creature than
can talk as one of the goals.
La N
> On 29/06/10 22:00, La N wrote:
>
> Hypothetical Sci-Fi question. If UFOs were real, would there be
>> any valid reason that governments would want to cover them up or
>> deny their existence?
>>
>
> More to the point:
>
> If there are people with an interstellar drive that works why are they
> busy landing in the remoter parts of the Mid West and implanting
> people whose major claim to importance is that they're their own
> uncle and currently the subject of an investigation into the effects
> of inbreeding in humans?
>
> Why don't they just land on the Whitehouse lawn and offer Barry and
> his family a trip to Mars and follow that with an invitation to sell
> the planet for the interstellar equivalent of a handful of beads, which
> will almost certainly be an interstellar drive...
Good question! btw, I suddenly remembered, and I could be misremembering,
but didn't Jimmy Carter - a purported UFO believer himself - promise that
if he became POTUS, he would release all secret UFO-related documents?
- nil, who just happened to watch a show UFO Hunters last night while
channel surfing ....
Ray OHara
"William Black" <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:i0dqhk$4uj$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> On 29/06/10 22:00, La N wrote:
>
> Hypothetical Sci-Fi question. If UFOs were real, would there be
>> any valid reason that governments would want to cover them up or deny
>> their
>> existence?
>>
>
> More to the point:
>
> If there are people with an interstellar drive that works why are they
> busy landing in the remoter parts of the Mid West and implanting people
> whose major claim to importance is that they're their own uncle and
> currently the subject of an investigation into the effects of inbreeding
> in humans?
>
> Why don't they just land on the Whitehouse lawn and offer Barry and his
> family a trip to Mars and follow that with an invitation to sell the
> planet for the interstellar equivalent of a handful of beads, which will
> almost certainly be an interstellar drive...
>
> --
> William Black
well I'd guess the smart ones who get abducted have the good sense to keep
quiet about it and avoid the ridicule that follows revealing you've been
abducted and anally probed.
Ray OHara
to avoid panicking the populace and upsetting the christians.
the Gov doesn't deny their existence and they sure spent a lot of money on
SETI projects.
when I was visiting the USAF Museum at Wright-Patterson AFB in Dayton,
they used to have an annex you had to take the bus to. on the way it passed
Hanger 6 the freezer hanger reputedly used for cold weather tests but which
everyone knows has the captured UFO and spacelings on ice.
one person {me} pointed it out as we went by. and a near mini riot broke
out on the bus as we begged the driver to drop us off there.
he laughed confirmed it was there but said we could see it :(
but all kidding aside USAF Museum at W-P is a great place to visit , it's
free admission, and it blows away the Smithsonian Air & Space museum when it
comes to its collection..
Ray OHara
a politican reneging on a promise, yeah like that ever happens
Dennis
> "William Black" wrote ...
>> On 29/06/10 22:00, La N wrote:
>>
>> Hypothetical Sci-Fi question. If UFOs were real, would there be
>>> any valid reason that governments would want to cover them up or
>>> deny their
>>> existence?
Lessee... they demand that we supply them with 100,000 humans a
year for gourmet alien cuisine, or else they obliterate the planet, and
the governments don't want to distress the rest of the population...
In its heyday, National Lampoon magazine had a dossier with secret
US gov't documents, some showing alien spacecraft, some newspaper
clippings of UFO sightings of said spacecraft with gov't pronouncements
ridiculing the observers and giving natural explanations, and memos
discussing contacts with the aliens, who apparently needed cancerous
human tissue to power their spacecraft...
Sci-fi and conspiracy circles are rife with discussion of this.
Personally, I've wondered why the US gov't chose to keep the
apparent real explanation for the Roswell incident secret for 50 years -
that it was a balloon for intelligence purposes? Here's my conspiracy
theory - they wanted to keep the kooks occupied, and thus not to get to
the *real* secrets!!!
>> More to the point:
>>
>> If there are people with an interstellar drive that works why are
>> they busy landing in the remoter parts of the Mid West and implanting
>> people whose major claim to importance is that they're their own
>> uncle and currently the subject of an investigation into the effects
>> of inbreeding in humans?
Their motives could be inscrutable to us. The natives who sold us
Manhattan Island for a chest of trinkets thought we were idiots, because
they thought you could no more own land than own a patch of the sky.
>> Why don't they just land on the Whitehouse lawn and offer Barry and
>> his family a trip to Mars and follow that with an invitation to sell
>> the planet for the interstellar equivalent of a handful of beads,
>> which will almost certainly be an interstellar drive...
Would *we* give the secret of the Atomic Bomb to the natives on New
Guinea, assuming we could??? Haven't you heard of the Prime Directive?
*We* have learned that much, it's safe to say *they* will have.
> well I'd guess the smart ones who get abducted have the good sense to
> keep
> quiet about it and avoid the ridicule that follows revealing you've
> been abducted and anally probed.
A number of those *haven't* kept quiet! Did you see the movie "Fire
in the Sky"? In which connection, Google "Tectonic Stress Hypothesis for
UFO's."
Dennis
Ray OHara
"Dennis" <tsalagi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message >
> Their motives could be inscrutable to us. The natives who sold us
> Manhattan Island for a chest of trinkets thought we were idiots, because
> they thought you could no more own land than own a patch of the sky.
>
actually the manhattan deal was the best deal the Indians ever made. first
they got paid upfront
$16 dollars bought you a boatload of glass beads in 1625. plus they got
other goodies.
people like to use the demeaning word trinkets as if to say the naive Lenai
Lenape were dazzled by shiny objects and easily gulled
Indians were big into decoratice arts and as they had no pack animals beyond
an occasional dog pulling a travois an Indian only owned what he/she could
personally carry. so they liked to decorate their clothes, they had shells
{wampum, which wasn't money} and dyed porcupine quills.
they didn't have any glass making ability so to them the beads were valuable
and they made great use of them. heavy iron pots were something they
couldn't easily take with them when they moved
Read any first hand colonial memoirs , anyone who dealt with the Indians
always comments on the excellent decorative work on their garb and the
whites were clearly jealous and quite impressed.
and it's not like Manhattan came with NYC already on it.
William Black
> Ray OHara wrote:
>>> If there are people with an interstellar drive that works why are
>>> they busy landing in the remoter parts of the Mid West and implanting
>>> people whose major claim to importance is that they're their own
>>> uncle and currently the subject of an investigation into the effects
>>> of inbreeding in humans?
>
> Their motives could be inscrutable to us. The natives who sold us
> Manhattan Island for a chest of trinkets thought we were idiots, because
> they thought you could no more own land than own a patch of the sky.
Well yes.
>>> Why don't they just land on the Whitehouse lawn and offer Barry and
>>> his family a trip to Mars and follow that with an invitation to sell
>>> the planet for the interstellar equivalent of a handful of beads,
>>> which will almost certainly be an interstellar drive...
>
> Would *we* give the secret of the Atomic Bomb to the natives on New
> Guinea, assuming we could???
The point is that if they can be bothered to come here where there's
nothing very much then making an interstellar drive isn't that big a deal.
> Haven't you heard of the Prime Directive?
Not outside of bad science fiction, no..
> *We* have learned that much, it's safe to say *they* will have.
Yeah, right, the idea of giving advanced weapons to primitives is
anathema to all of us, except in Afghanistan, Lebanon, Kurdistan and
anywhere else where it serves our purposes.
Alan Lothian
<willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>More to the point:
>
>If there are people with an interstellar drive that works why are they
>busy landing in the remoter parts of the Mid West and implanting people
>whose major claim to importance is that they're their own uncle and
>currently the subject of an investigation into the effects of inbreeding
One reason is that nobody ever made any money out of publishing
books/producing telly progs that rip into these credulous clowns. Not
all of whom are merely credulous: consider certain abduction
money-spinners for a start.
The other, perhaps, is a deep-seated (excuse pun) human desire to have
something square and sharp-edged stufffed up its collective rectum.
Include me out.
>in humans?
>
>Why don't they just land on the Whitehouse lawn and offer Barry and his
>family a trip to Mars and follow that with an invitation to sell the
>planet for the interstellar equivalent of a handful of beads, which
>will almost certainly be an interstellar drive...
Conspiracy theories sell; common sense doesn't; see comment above.
Interestingly and encouragingly, the Net over the last 10 years or so
seems to have been a much greater force for debunking than for
spreading UFOdrool. I rather fancy that the advent of mass digital
photography, and with it the concomitant knowledge of how pictures can
be easily faked, may have something to do with it, too. But perhaps
today's sunshine merely stirs an unaccustomed optimism in my grumpy
old heart.
Ray OHara
any ETs that would actually give us weapons would be very stupid ETs as we
routinely blow ourselves up we would have no qualms about killing them too.
is there life in space, well of course , what are we?
Dennis
>>>> Why don't they just land on the Whitehouse lawn and offer Barry and
>>>> his family a trip to Mars and follow that with an invitation to
>>>> sell the planet for the interstellar equivalent of a handful of
>>>> beads, which will almost certainly be an interstellar drive...
>>
>> Would *we* give the secret of the Atomic Bomb to the
>> natives on New
>> Guinea, assuming we could???
>
> The point is that if they can be bothered to come here where there's
> nothing very much then making an interstellar drive isn't that big a
> deal.
Not to them, perhaps. Making internal combustion engines is nothing much
to us, but it'd be a bitch for people of 300 years ago.
>> Haven't you heard of the Prime Directive?
>
> Not outside of bad science fiction, no..
The idea, that is.
>> *We* have learned that much, it's safe to say *they* will have.
>
> Yeah, right, the idea of giving advanced weapons to primitives is
> anathema to all of us, except in Afghanistan, Lebanon, Kurdistan
> and anywhere else where it serves our purposes.
Yup, Stinger missiles in Afghanistan, etc. Point taken.
A story from "HMS Thule Intercepts," by the skipper of that WWII
submarine.
They were giving some old small arms to the natives in Malaysia. He
asked, "Why are we giving them such out-of-date weapons?"
"Because after the war, they'll be using them against us!"
"I'm glad someone is thinking!"
Dennis
Dennis
> Interestingly and encouragingly, the Net over the last 10 years or so
> seems to have been a much greater force for debunking than for
> spreading UFOdrool. I rather fancy that the advent of mass digital
> photography, and with it the concomitant knowledge of how pictures can
> be easily faked, may have something to do with it, too. But perhaps
> today's sunshine merely stirs an unaccustomed optimism in my grumpy
> old heart.
Me too! Perhaps the younger generation sees how easy it is to
concoct BS and thus is more savvy about it.
I have some cousins who send me right-wing urban legend BS all the
time, and I easily shoot it down with Snopes, hardly any effort at all!
It's also very interesting what you can find out about any individual
if you take some time and spend a little money. I've dug up some
interesting dirt on some villains of my own past.
Dennis
William Black
> William Black wrote:
>
>> The point is that if they can be bothered to come here where there's
>> nothing very much then making an interstellar drive isn't that big a
>> deal.
>
> Not to them, perhaps. Making internal combustion engines is nothing much
> to us, but it'd be a bitch for people of 300 years ago.
Ah, now you're thinking.
Man with huge forehead: "We have the plans, now, how the hell do we
build it?"
Small grey alien: "Ah, well you'll need about 5 Kg of unobtainium..."
Ray OHara
>>
>> Not to them, perhaps. Making internal combustion engines is nothing much
>> to us, but it'd be a bitch for people of 300 years ago.
>
> Ah, now you're thinking.
>
> Man with huge forehead: "We have the plans, now, how the hell do we
> build it?"
>
> Small grey alien: "Ah, well you'll need about 5 Kg of unobtainium..."
>
> --
Any technology, sufficiently advanced, is indistinguishable from magic.
-- Arthur C. Clarke