Look to Mars for the Truth on Global Warming!!
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Look to Mars for the truth on global warming
The Deniers -- Part IX [of Dr Solomon's book]
Lawrence Solomon, Financial Post
Published: Friday, February 02, 2007
Climate change is a much, much bigger issue than the public,
politicians, and even the most alarmed environmentalists realize.
Global warming extends to Mars, where the polar ice cap is shrinking,
where deep gullies in the landscape are now laid bare, and where the
climate is the warmest it has been in decades or centuries.
"One explanation could be that Mars is just coming out of an ice age,"
NASA scientist William Feldman speculated after the agency's Mars
Odyssey completed its first Martian year of data collection. "In some
low-latitude areas, the ice has already dissipated." With each passing
year more and more evidence arises of the dramatic changes occurring
on the only planet on the solar system, apart from Earth, to give up
its climate secrets.
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
The series
Statistics needed -- The Deniers Part I
Warming is real -- and has benefits -- The Deniers Part II
The hurricane expert who stood up to UN junk science -- The Deniers
Part III
Polar scientists on thin ice -- The Deniers Part IV
The original denier: into the cold -- The Deniers Part V
The sun moves climate change -- The Deniers Part VI
Will the sun cool us? -- The Deniers Part VII
The limits of predictability -- The Deniers Part VIII
Look to Mars for the truth on global warming -- The Deniers Part IX
Limited role for C02 -- the Deniers Part X
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
NASA's findings in space come as no surprise to Dr. Habibullo
Abdussamatov at Saint Petersburg's Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory.
Pulkovo -- at the pinnacle of Russia's space-oriented scientific
establishment -- is one of the world's best equipped observatories and
has been since its founding in 1839. Heading Pulkovo's space research
laboratory is Dr. Abdussamatov, one of the world's chief critics of
the theory that man-made carbon dioxide emissions create a greenhouse
effect, leading to global warming.
"Mars has global warming, but without a greenhouse and without the
participation of Martians," he told me. "These parallel global
warmings -- observed simultaneously on Mars and on Earth -- can only
be a straightline consequence of the effect of the one same factor: a
long-time change in solar irradiance."
The sun's increased irradiance over the last century, not C02
emissions, is responsible for the global warming we're seeing, says
the celebrated scientist, and this solar irradiance also explains the
great volume of C02 emissions.
"It is no secret that increased solar irradiance warms Earth's oceans,
which then triggers the emission of large amounts of carbon dioxide
into the atmosphere. So the common view that man's industrial activity
is a deciding factor in global warming has emerged from a
misinterpretation of cause and effect relations."
Dr. Abdussamatov goes further, debunking the very notion of a
greenhouse effect. "Ascribing 'greenhouse' effect properties to the
Earth's atmosphere is not scientifically substantiated," he maintains.
"Heated greenhouse gases, which become lighter as a result of
expansion, ascend to the atmosphere only to give the absorbed heat
away."
The real news from Saint Petersburg -- demonstrated by cooling that is
occurring on the upper layers of the world's oceans -- is that Earth
has hit its temperature ceiling. Solar irradiance has begun to fall,
ushering in a protracted cooling period beginning in 2012 to 2015. The
depth of the decline in solar irradiance reaching Earth will occur
around 2040, and "will inevitably lead to a deep freeze around
2055-60" lasting some 50 years, after which temperatures will go up
again.
Because of the scientific significance of this period of global
cooling that we're about to enter, the Russian and Ukrainian space
agencies, under Dr. Abdussamatov's leadership, have launched a joint
project to determine the time and extent of the global cooling at mid-
century. The project, dubbed Astrometry and given priority space-
experiment status on the Russian portion of the International Space
Station, will marshal the resources of spacecraft manufacturer
Energia, several Russian research and production centers, and the main
observatory of Ukraine's Academy of Sciences. By late next year,
scientific equipment will have been installed in a space-station
module and by early 2009, Dr. Abdussamatov's space team will be
conducting a regular survey of the sun.
With the data, the project will help mankind cope with a century of
falling temperatures, during which we will enter a mini ice age.
"There is no need for the Kyoto Protocol now. It does not have to come
into force until at least 100 years from no w," Dr. Abdussamatov
concluded. "A global freeze will come about regardless of whether or
not industrialized countries put a cap on their greenhouse- gas
emissions."
Lawrence Sol...@nextcity.com
T. Keating
>| Some AGW jackasses have questioned my
>| current sig. Those that have, are merely
>| illustrating their own ignorance
>
>Look to Mars for the truth on global warming
snip repeated denialist rant.. ..
Mars climate is primarily driven by it's eccentric orbit and albedo
(dust storms) changes..
Bill Bonde { No matter what happens, it's caused by global warming )
Good grief: "its eccentric orbit".
--
"Question, two men starving to death decide to eat their hair like
spaghetti. Is that funny?"
"Hmmm, well, it depends on if by funny you want to make people
laugh."
-+Eddie Izzard and Joanna Lumley, "The Cat's Meow"
T. Keating
happens, it's caused by global warming )"
<tributy...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
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>"T. Keating" wrote:
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>> On Sun, 10 May 2009 07:15:15 -0700 (PDT), "leona...@gmail.com"
>> <leona...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >| Some AGW jackasses have questioned my
>> >| current sig. Those that have, are merely
>> >| illustrating their own ignorance
>> >
>> >Look to Mars for the truth on global warming
>>
>> snip repeated denialist rant.. ..
>>
>> Mars climate is primarily driven by it's eccentric orbit and albedo
>> (dust storms) changes..
>>
>Good grief: "its eccentric orbit".
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/factsheet/marsfact.html
Mars Earth Ratio (Mars/Earth)
Orbit eccentricity 0.0935 0.0167 5.599
Perihelion (10^6 km) 206.62 147.09 1.405
Aphelion (10^6 km) 249.23 152.10 1.639
Last Post
> On Sun, 10 May 2009 07:15:15 -0700 (PDT), "leonard7...@gmail.com"
>
> <leonard7...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >| Some AGW jackasses have questioned my
> >| current sig. Those that have, are merely
> >| illustrating their own ignorance
>
> >Look to Mars for the truth on global warming
>
•• There you go, repeatedly displaying your ignorance
> Mars climate is primarily driven by it's eccentric orbit and albedo
> (dust storms) changes..
•• Cites please
•• How come you know better than a senior
researcher who is head of an international team
whose principal study is the sun and its satellites.
They are planning to move their telescopes to
their space station as to better study the sun next
year.
•• Heading Pulkovo's space research laboratory is
Dr. Abdussamatov, one of the world's chief critics
of the theory that man-made carbon dioxide
emissions create a greenhouse effect, leading to
global warming.
•• "Mars has global warming, but without a
greenhouse and without the participation of
Martians," he told me. "These parallel global
warmings -- observed simultaneously on Mars
and on Earth -- can only be a straightline
consequence of the effect of the one same factor:
a long-time change in solar irradiance."
•• The sun's increased irradiance over the last century,
not C02 emissions, is responsible for the global
warming we're seeing, says the celebrated scientist,
and this solar irradiance also explains the great
volume of C02 emissions.
•• Alarmists like you are too slowly becoming extinct
but despite Fat Algore you will surely become . . .
•• Now Keating, You think that you can simply recite
"snip repeated denialist rant.." and it will go away.
That shows how little you know of usenet. What I
posted above is there to be seen forever.
•• So go to school learn a bit of science, and get
prepared for the extreme weather we expect during
the next 20 years or more.
- -=
In real science the burden of proof is always
on the proposer, never on the sceptics.
Global warming is a myth and does not exist. On
the other hand "Climate Change" is functioning
as it has for 5 million years or more.
T. Keating
<last...@primus.ca> wrote:
>On May 10, 11:41 am, T. Keating <tkuse...@ktcnslt.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 10 May 2009 07:15:15 -0700 (PDT), "leonard7...@gmail.com"
>>
>> <leonard7...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >| Some AGW jackasses have questioned my
>> >| current sig. Those that have, are merely
>> >| illustrating their own ignorance
>>
>> >Look to Mars for the truth on global warming
>>
>> snip repeated denialist rant.. ..
>
>�� There you go, repeatedly displaying your ignorance
Another denialist rant..
Read my other posts on the subject..
>
>> Mars climate is primarily driven by it's eccentric orbit and albedo
>> (dust storms) changes..
>
>�� Cites please
You first, where are your cites???
I've provided plenty of links to authoritative sources in my
recent posts. No need to repeat them here when Leonard just trolls on
in multiple postings over the same subject matter with dubious
associations.
Mars rotational axis also wobbles significantly more(~10-20x) than
earth's 1.5 degree shift, (no large moon to help stabilize mars), and
goes through 100K yr wobble cycles similar to earth's 40K yr wobble
cycle.
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/081204-mars-climate-cycles.html
"Mars Wobbles Created Climate Swings"
http://www.livescience.com/environment/050330_earth_tilt.html
"Ice Ages Blamed on Tilted Earth
By Michael Schirber, LiveScience Staff Writer
posted: 30 March 2005 09:09 am ET"
>
>�� How come you know better than a senior
> researcher who is head of an international team
> whose principal study is the sun and its satellites.
> They are planning to move their telescopes to
> their space station as to better study the sun next
> year.
I know the available data on Mars climate is insufficient, what does
exist does not support a GW linkage between the two planets.
I.E.. Mars has less than 1/200th of earth's atmospheric mass.. no
large oceans of water to mitigate thermal swings, no significant
change in solar output in the last 60 years (slight decrease), etc.
Thousands of published peer reviewed scientists who contradict his
claims.
In retrospect, Dr. Abdussamatov has permanently damaged his scientific
integrity as an honest researcher.
>�� Heading Pulkovo's space research laboratory is
> Dr. Abdussamatov, one of the world's chief critics
> of the theory that man-made carbon dioxide
> emissions create a greenhouse effect, leading to
> global warming.
Russia is major fossil fuel exporter, they wish to remain in that
position for a long time. Efforts to mitigate AGW would undercut
earnings for Russia's largest and most profitable state owned
industries. Guess who writes Dr. Abdussamatov paychecks??
snip.
Mitchell Holman
news:c24e05huktd6jap1i...@4ax.com:
Bonde has no grasp of basic high school science.
Perhaps he is a victim of home schooling?
z
> In real science the burden of proof is always
> on the proposer, never on the sceptics.
lemme guess. you were the kid in tenth grade who could never
understand the proof that .999... = 1.0, so in your mind it's still in
doubt.
Bill Bonde { No matter what happens, it's caused by global warming )
I'm the person who corrected the idiot for his misuse of "it's".
What are you babbling about now, Holman?
T. Keating
Bullshit...
Webster doesn't make the distinction between the variants.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/it%5C's
Bill Ward
Actually it does:
<http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/it's>
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
T. Keating
Nope.. same page content for both its and it's..
Bill Ward
Two spellings, two meanings. It's pretty clear in its presentation.
Click on one of the two versions "its" or "it's", to go to the
corresponding meaning.
Grammar isn't that all important in ngs. Trying to cover up a mistake is.
daestrom
"T. Keating" <tkus...@ktcnslt.com> wrote in message
news:18og05lfhplku8lqe...@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 11 May 2009 17:19:11 +0100, "Bill Bonde { No matter what
> happens, it's caused by global warming )"
> <tributy...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
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>>I'm the person who corrected the idiot for his misuse of "it's".
>>What are you babbling about now, Holman?
>
> Bullshit...
>
> Webster doesn't make the distinction between the variants.
> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/it%5C's
Learn how to read a dictionary for God's sake.
its is the possessive form of the pronoun 'it'.
it's is the contraction of 'it is' or 'it has'
If you click on the various forms shown in your own cite, you would have
read that.
daestrom
Mitchell Holman
>
>
>>
> I'm the person who corrected the idiot for his misuse of "it's".
vs.........
"I don't go around spell flaming people."
Bill Bonde, 38/28/09
Bill Bonde { No matter what happens, it's caused by global warming )
I don't. I, however, do attempt to better the world by pointing out
the correct use of "its" and "it's". This error is so everywhere
that I see it in online newspapers. People just don't know the
rule. It's a good thing to assist them. It has nothing to do with
CO2.
Mitchell Holman
<tributy...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
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> Mitchell Holman wrote:
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>> "Bill Bonde { No matter what happens, it's caused by global warming
>> )" <tributy...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
>> news:4A084FFF...@yahoo.co.uk:
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>> >>
>> > I'm the person who corrected the idiot for his misuse of "it's".
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>> vs.........
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>> "I don't go around spell flaming people."
>> Bill Bonde, 38/28/09
>>
> I don't. I, however, do attempt to better the world by pointing out
> the correct use of "its" and "it's".
So you claim you don't spellflame people in the same
notestream where you are posting a spelling flame.
Could you be a bigger hypocrite if you tried?
Bill Bonde { No matter what happens, it's caused by global warming )
Mitchell Holman wrote:
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> "Bill Bonde { No matter what happens, it's caused by global warming )"
> <tributy...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
> news:4A09F311...@yahoo.co.uk:
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> >
> >
> > Mitchell Holman wrote:
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> >> "Bill Bonde { No matter what happens, it's caused by global warming
> >> )" <tributy...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
> >> news:4A084FFF...@yahoo.co.uk:
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> >> >
> >> >>
> >> > I'm the person who corrected the idiot for his misuse of "it's".
> >>
> >> vs.........
> >>
> >> "I don't go around spell flaming people."
> >> Bill Bonde, 38/28/09
> >>
> > I don't. I, however, do attempt to better the world by pointing out
> > the correct use of "its" and "it's".
>
> So you claim you don't spellflame people in the same
> notestream where you are posting a spelling flame.
>
Correcting an error without any comment in order to better mankind
is not a spell flame. My original comment doesn't say that I never
spell flame though, it is the present tense used in the habitual
aspect. Obama might say, "He don' be spell flamin'".
> Could you be a bigger hypocrite if you tried?
>
I'm not being hypocritical at all.