Re: Interesting Carl Sagan quotes;
On Mon, 7 May 2012, Tunderbar wrote:
> On May 7, 3:26 pm, kym horsell wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 8, 2012 4:56:52 AM UTC+10, Tunderbar wrote:
> > > On May 7, 11:14 am, kym horsell <
kymhors...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, May 8, 2012 1:25:16 AM UTC+10, Tunderbar wrote:
> > > > > Skeptical scrutiny is the means, in both science and religion, by
> > > > > which deep thoughts can be winnowed from deep nonsense.
> > > > > Carl Sagan
> >
> > > > The reason Venus is like a hell seems to be what is called the greenhouse effect…The greenhouse effect can make an earth-like world into a planetary inferno…the hell of Venus is in stark contrast to the comparative heaven of its neighbouring world, our little planetary home, the earth….Carbon dioxide and water vapour make a modest greenhouse effect without which, our oceans would be frozen solid. A little greenhouse effect is a good thing. But Venus is an ominous reminder that in a world rather like the earth, things can go wrong. There is no guarantee that our planet will always be so hospitable. To maintain this clement world we must understand it and appreciate it. The runaway greenhouse effect on Venus is a valuable reminder that we should take the increasing greenhouse effect on earth seriously.
> > > > -- Carl Sagan
> >
> > > > --
> > > > quote mining:
> > > > The repeated use of quotes out of context in order to skew or contort
> > > > the meaning of a passage or speech by an author on a controversial subject.
> > > > -- Urban Dictionary
> >
> > > ignoring the tiny little factor of the planets proximity to the SUN.
> >
> > So you're now saying -- after kicking off this threat about quotes
> > from Carl Sagan -- he is not to be trusted even in his own area of
> > expertise?
Why does he do that?
Tunderbar has his religion: Republicanism.
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about: Don't ignore the Science Deniers, – talk to them
differently -- Christian Science Monitor;
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012, Doug Bashford wrote:
http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/Opinion/2011/0624/Don-t-ignore-climate-skeptics-talk-to-them-differently
>
> Don't ignore climate skeptics – talk to them differently
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>
> You should not paraphrase people when what they say is so
> straightforward. It makes you look like a shmuck.
>
> Venus is not the Earth. Even if Sagan chose to use it as a bad
> analogy, it does not detract from what he said about science and
> scepticism. Apples and oranges.
So tell us, religion Boy...just what did you think
your quotes from Sagan said that support your
anti-Science stance? After all, what he said
was standard Science.
Can I make a wild-assed guess what you
think he said? Could it be that you have
mistaken scientific consensus for "authority!?"
...and do also think evolution is "just a theory," too?
These are common mistakes of science haters and
other scientific illiterates.
Have you ever been an expert on a topic?
...such as a professional ....whatever?
a professional mechanic, or real estate agent,
gun smith,...whatever? Have you?
And had some delusional loudmouth trying to
act like he's an expert too? ....and the more
pissed off he became, the louder that spoiled
six-year-old squealed????
Of course you have. We all have.
And did the brat fool you for even
one micro-second????
That's how you and your fellow science-haters
sound. Oh you are soo sure of yourselves!
Yes.... you brats somehow know more about atmospheric
science than atmospheric scientists.
Sure. We see that now.
Unlike the new breed of Republicans, most Americans
don't hate science.
Unlike this new breed of feelsgood Republicans,
most Americans don't think politicians, lobbyists,
and talk show hosts know more about
atmospheric science than atmospheric scientists...
What’s in YOUR wallet?
>
> It does make it interesting when a highly respected scientist on the
> one hand makes clear statements about scepticism and the importance of
> the scientific method
Here's another little clue for you Sparky.
The crux of what Sagan was saying is that
if you need certainty, stay in Church, cuz
it aint in Science. Yet your position is
to attack Science using cryptoChurch dogma,
assumption base, and world view as evidence.
That's so EXTREMELY unscientific, I call
that anti-Science and Science-hating as the
best analogy I can find.
Yer a fraud pal. You are no different from
the "Creation Sciencers" who also pretend to respect
and love Science.
So that said, let me conclude:
Go fuck yerself with yer teeeny little fraudulent mind.
Any questions?
> >
> > What does that say about your effort and your judgment in the first place, then?
> >
> > --
> > [Knuckleheads can't differentiate between experts and other knuckleheads:]
> >
> > [P]eople who are incompetent not only have an inflated sense of their
> > own competence, but are also incapable of even recognizing competence.
BINGO!
See my example above: RE: pretending to be an expert.
> > [An experiment showed no matter how well subjects performed on a test they
> > believed themselves to be equally competent and their test score would be "B"].
> > [W]hen [the authors] shared the performance of other participants with the
> > people who performed poorly (hoping that they would then adjust their
> > self-perception downward) people who scored poorly failed to adjust their
> > self-perception of their performance.
> > -- Mark Hoofnagle,
http://scienceblogs.com/denialism/about.php
BINGO!
about: Don't ignore the Science Deniers, – talk to them
differently -- Christian Science Monitor;
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012, Doug Bashford wrote:
http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/Opinion/2011/0624/Don-t-ignore-climate-skeptics-talk-to-them-differently
>
> Don't ignore climate skeptics – talk to them differently
> The facts won’t convince doubters of climate change.
That's cuz Science Denial is their new religion.
It might work like this:
http://www.groupsrv.com/science/about472630.html
The insane twist the facts to fit their world view.
The rational change their world view to fit the facts.