Re: Where is Mook Continued
Bob Eld
>Mr. Mook's idea iirc is to;
>a) use ultra-low-cost solar panels to produce DC electricity when
>the sun shines
> b) make hydrogen & oxygen from water at a rate proportional to
>lighting conditions
>c) trade hydrogen for coal, residual fuel oil and natural gas in
>stationary power plants
> i) burning hydrogen instead of these fuels to make AC
>electricity on demand
> ii) eliminating all carbon emissions from stationary power
>plants
>iii) stabilizing costs long-term for electricity generation
> iv) without major changes of infrastructure
>d) take the coal and residual oil and natural gas and;
> i) convert coal to gasoline diesel fuel and jet fuel with
>add'l hydrogen
> ii) convert residual oil to gasoline diesel fuel and jet fuel
>with add'l hydrogen
>iii) convert natural gas to methanol with oxygen dehydrate to
>make gasoline
>This process eliminates half USA carbon emissions without major change
>to our infrastructure, and generates more liquid transportation fuels
>than we use so when combined with conventional domestic production
>makes the USA the world's largest exporter of liquid fuels putting us
>in firm control of the world's energy markets according to Mook. Mook
>claims this will earn enough money to balance US trade and end our
>economic downturn. He claims he can make hydrogen for $7 boe and
>synfuel at $9 boe. (barrel of oil equivalent) Mook also says that
>this reduces total carbon emissions by humanity since it keeps the
>price of oil below $30 per barrel, and the price of other fuels low,
>which means high priced reserves don't get produced. There are 900
>billion barrels of recoverable oil at $70 per barrel according to
>Mook. There are only 300 billion barrels of recoverable oil at $30
>per barrel. Recoverable meaning economically recoverable.
>These are all rational arguments and make sense to me. Where your
>statements make Mook look irrational you have made factual errors.
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1MCq8bekRo
So now Mr. Mook has moved his back of the envelope concepts to Youtube
complete with music and a lively audience. Hmmm. But there is not one piece
of new development, engineering, financing, or plant building. It's still
the same back of the envelope estimations and verbiage about "that's how we
do it" without any specifics only now its on Youtube. In other words, Mook
is no father along than he was three years ago and may be actually behind
that place. What happened to Indonesia?? What happened to the big contracts,
the solar collectors, concentrators, etc. etc. The arguments may make sense
to you but there is still no do and no results. It's the same simple
concepts only now on Youtube with music and applause. God, what a
production. I guess the recorded audience won't talk back to him like we
here do.
Bob
Bill Ward
I still think Mook missed his calling. As a science fiction writer, he
might do pretty well.
Sam West
> On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 15:44:03 -0800, Bob Eld wrote:
> >>Posted by Sam West
> >>carbon emissions by humanity since it keeps the price of oil below $30
> >>per barrel, and the price of other fuels low, which means high priced
> >>reserves don't get produced. There are 900 billion barrels of
> >>billion barrels of recoverable oil at $30 per barrel. Recoverable
> >>meaning economically recoverable.
>
> >>These are all rational arguments and make sense to me. Where your
>
> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1MCq8bekRo
>
> > So now Mr.Mookhas moved his back of the envelope concepts to Youtube
> > complete with music and a lively audience. Hmmm. But there is not one
> > piece of new development, engineering, financing, or plant building.
> > It's still the same back of the envelope estimations and verbiage about
> > "that's how we do it" without any specifics only now its on Youtube. In
> > be actually behind that place. What happened to Indonesia?? What
> > happened to the big contracts, the solar collectors, concentrators, etc.
> > etc. The arguments may make sense to you but there is still no do and no
> > results. It's the same simple concepts only now on Youtube with music
> > and applause. God, what a production. I guess the recorded audience
> > won't talk back to him like we here do.
> > Bob
>
> might do pretty well.
More Science than Fiction I think.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ157zsgOCI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkX_nvrPt1Y
In December 2004 the Saudi's went off their $22 per barrel price cap.
Mook was asked to give a presentation at the White House by the Office
of Science and Technology Policy. At that time he offered 250 million
barrels of syncrude oil to the Strategic Petroleum Reserve for $25 per
barrel. Mook pointed out that this would send a signal to OPEC, that
America wouldn't pay more than $25 per barrel.
The White House said, get financing and we'll buy the oil. So, that's
what Mook did. He went to NYMEX and spoke about selling forward
contracts to fund development. NYMEX said, find someone to take the
counter-party risk and it was a done deal. They could raise $8
billion in an afternoon. Angel investors in Columbus, Ohio were
approached about the counter-party risk for an $8 billion fund raise.
They got him in front of Epstein and Company a $9 billion investment
fund. Epstein organized Nobel Prize winning scientists to review
Mook's plans. They said it could be done.
The White House was notified. They wanted more detail. Where would
the oil be made? Where would the collectors be? On the strength of
NYMEX and Epstein interest, Mook organized 3,800 square miles of
desert lands owned by Newmont Mining in Northern Nevada. He also
organized the reopening of a coal mine owned by Peabody in Wyoming.
He also organized the use of Union Pacific rights of way for HVDC
lines, hydrogen lines, and water lines.
The White House wanted another buyer to come along. Mook cut a deal
with Delta Airlines.
All was set. King Faisal came to Texas and spoke with Bush at his
ranch. $25 per barrel oil was discussed.
In March 2005 Epstein was charged with child molestation and removed
as manager of a fund he started.
In April 2005, Johnson, a major Mook Angel filed for bankruptcy, owing
$53 million.
In May 2005, Delta Airlines warns it may have to file for bankruptcy.
In June 2005, Accenture arranged meetings with Exxon and BP boards and
Mook.
In July 2005, Accenture suggests Mook move off-shore to avoid
continued negative attention.
In August 2006 Mook signs a deal with two coal company owners in
Indonesia.
In September 2006 Mook works out a listing arrangement with the
Singapore Exchange
In October 2006, Mook organizes a group of investors to take counter-
party risk for his syncrude futures in United Arab Emirates
In October 2006 the American Society of Testing and Measurement
announces that due to increasing interest in coal derived liquids its
testing procedures for fuels would not apply to coal derived liquids.
They set up a 10 year R&D effort to determine the applicability of
present ASTM testing to Fischer Tropsch liquids. Bergius process was
ignored and not included. Without an approved test to determine
quality or merchantability, the Singapore listing was in jepordy.
In January 2007 The Indonesian government announced that irrespective
of ASTM testing it would provide 'acceptable' coal derived liquids.
In March 2007 China announced it had developed procedures for coal
derived liquids
In July 2007 the Singapore exchange said it would list 'approved' coal
derived liquids on its exchange.
In August 2007 the sub-prime market collapsed
Those most affected were investors who took counter-party risks for
Mook's Indonesian projects.
It reads more like a Greek tragedy, than a science fiction story!
lol.
Sam West
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkX_nvrPt1Y
>
> In December 2004 the Saudi's went off their $22 per barrel price cap.Mookwas asked to give a presentation at the White House by the Office
> of Science and Technology Policy. At that time he offered 250 million
> barrels of syncrude oil to the Strategic Petroleum Reserve for $25 per
> America wouldn't pay more than $25 per barrel.
>
> The White House said, get financing and we'll buy the oil. So, that's
> contracts to fund development. NYMEX said, find someone to take the
> counter-party risk and it was a done deal. They could raise $8
> billion in an afternoon. Angel investors in Columbus, Ohio were
> approached about the counter-party risk for an $8 billion fund raise.
> They got him in front of Epstein and Company a $9 billion investment
>
> The White House was notified. They wanted more detail. Where would
> the oil be made? Where would the collectors be? On the strength of
> desert lands owned by Newmont Mining in Northern Nevada. He also
> organized the reopening of a coal mine owned by Peabody in Wyoming.
> He also organized the use of Union Pacific rights of way for HVDC
> lines, hydrogen lines, and water lines.
>
> with Delta Airlines.
>
> All was set. King Faisal came to Texas and spoke with Bush at his
> ranch. $25 per barrel oil was discussed.
>
> In March 2005 Epstein was charged with child molestation and removed
> as manager of a fund he started.
>
> $53 million.
>
> In May 2005, Delta Airlines warns it may have to file for bankruptcy.
>
> In June 2005, Accenture arranged meetings with Exxon and BP boards andMook.
>
> continued negative attention.
>
> In August 2006Mooksigns a deal with two coal company owners in
> Indonesia.
>
> In September 2006Mookworks out a listing arrangement with the
> Singapore Exchange
>
> In October 2006,Mookorganizes a group of investors to take counter-
> party risk for his syncrude futures in United Arab Emirates
>
> In October 2006 the American Society of Testing and Measurement
> announces that due to increasing interest in coal derived liquids its
> testing procedures for fuels would not apply to coal derived liquids.
> They set up a 10 year R&D effort to determine the applicability of
> present ASTM testing to Fischer Tropsch liquids. Bergius process was
> ignored and not included. Without an approved test to determine
> quality or merchantability, the Singapore listing was in jepordy.
>
> In January 2007 The Indonesian government announced that irrespective
> of ASTM testing it would provide 'acceptable' coal derived liquids.
>
> In March 2007 China announced it had developed procedures for coal
> derived liquids
>
> In July 2007 the Singapore exchange said it would list 'approved' coal
> derived liquids on its exchange.
>
> In August 2007 the sub-prime market collapsed
>
>
> It reads more like a Greek tragedy, than a science fiction story!
> lol.
Mook told me once that because the USA is at the top of the economic
food chain, we pay everyone else's fuel bill. He also said that even
though he wouldn't have produced any fuel under the 2004 plan until
2011 the futures contracts on NYMEX would have been an anchor on
pricing, keeping prices in the $20 to $25 range. I don't know if all
that's true, but if so, the average we've paid for oil is $75 over
this period. So, this is the incentive, according to Mook, for the
negative attention from the majors. A $50 per barrel price
difference. $50 per barrel times 83 million barrels per day times
2000 days - is $8.3 trillion out of the pockets of Americans into the
pockets of the Saudis. This is what sank the US economy according to
Mook, the sub-prime and banking collapses are just the Saudi's tanking
US attention off of energy and putting it on to the banks.
This could all have been avoided according to Mook, by initiating a
program along the lines he proposed in 2004.
Bashful
> Epstein organized Nobel Prize winning scientists to review
> Mook's plans. They said it could be done.
What are the names of these Nobel Prize winning scientists? Where can
we see their report?
> In March 2005 Epstein was charged with child molestation and
> removed as manager of a fund he started.
Can you identify the Epstein in question?
> In April 2005, Johnson, a major Mook Angel filed for bankruptcy,
> owing $53 million.
Can you identify the Johnson in question?
Thanks!
Don Lancaster
> Sam West wrote:
>
> Where can we see their report?
>
>
Sadly, the crayons were water soluble.
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[sob story deleted]
This is an awful lot of problems for something that supposedly makes so
much economic sense. Even if it's the best thing in the world (doubtful),
it doesn't seem to be managed very well, now does it?
Personally, I think all of it is horse hockey, but it's entertaining
reading, so by all means keep making shit up. *
--
* PV Something like badgers, something like lizards, and something
like corkscrews.
Sam West
> Sam West wrote:
> > Epstein organized Nobel Prize winning scientists to review
>
> What are the names of these Nobel Prize winning scientists? Where can
> we see their report?
>
> > In March 2005 Epstein was charged with child molestation and
> > removed as manager of a fund he started.
>
> Can you identify the Epstein in question?
>
> > owing $53 million.
>
> Can you identify the Johnson in question?
>
> Thanks!
Epstein worked with scientists, so did William. I did not. Mook
knows who they are, he signed an NDA - but you can see that Epstein
was enamoured for Nobelists and could afford to hire them;
http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/people/n_7912/
Even after he got into trouble;
http://www.nndb.com/people/942/000169435/
I don't have acces to the reports, they were done specifically for
Epstein & Company (now defunct and renamed and under new management)
and were done under strict NDA.
Warren Buffett may have purchased them. According to Mook Buffet's
purchase of the railroads corresponds with his plan. He pointed out
that former CSX execs said Buffet had to buy the railroads because
they would never in a million years put a pipeline next to them that
under-cut the coal shipments to the power plants. Of course Buffet's
purchase of the 150 idled power plants in the US, along with the
railroad is right in line with Mook's plans from 2004 - where he
imagined the Federal Government would mandate the railroads let
hydrogen pipelines be built to power plants as a part of building
needed infrastructure for this nation.
Robert Jeffrey Johnson of Smith & Johnson Fame (in Central Ohio at
least)
http://columbus.bizjournals.com/columbus/stories/2006/05/08/story8.html
http://columbus.bizjournals.com/columbus/stories/2008/05/26/tidbits1.html?jst=s_cn_hl
Johnson was booking a half billion dollars a year when orders suddenly
dried up, and according to him, banks reduced his credit line forcing
him into bankruptcy.
Then there are the changes in the Federal rules associated with coal-
derived liquids. Biodiesel is okay. Coal-derived liquids are not.
Sam West
Buffet is buying up idled coal fired power plants and railroads. That
is part of Mook's plans. He purchased the data from Epstein & Co.
when Mr. Epstein got into trouble.
Sam West
>
>
> Sadly, the crayons were water soluble.
>
> --
> Many thanks,
>
> Don Lancaster voice phone: (928)428-4073
> Synergetics 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552
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>
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Not quite Don! haha -
Sam West
Abraham Lincoln had lots of troubles too, especially that Friday night
on April 14, 1865. This didn't make him a bad president, but rather,
a good one.
Bashful
> Epstein worked with scientists, so did William. I did not. Mook
> knows who they are, he signed an NDA -
Let me see if I understand you.
Epstein hire Nobel laureats to examine Mook's proposals, but the
Nobel laureates as a condition of their employment insisted that Mook
sign an NDA forbiding Mook (and presumably Epstein) from publicly
identifying them.
Is this correct?
If so it puts you, me, and everyone else in the awkward position of
having to take Mook's word that his proposals have been approved by
Nobel laureates. Surely Mook appreciates that under those
circumstances his claims to that effect can't be taken seriously?
Also, is there any way to verify Mook's relationships with Epstein
and Johnson? He never mentioned them himself. Your posts on the
subject were the first time they were brought up.
Does Mook believe that Epstein's and Johnson's difficulties were
*because* of their connections with Mook? Your timeline seems to
suggest this. If so, do Epstein and Johnson also think so?
Thanks for your responses.
PV
>Buffet is buying up idled coal fired power plants and railroads. That
>is part of Mook's plans. He purchased the data from Epstein & Co.
>when Mr. Epstein got into trouble.
It must be nice to have Warren Buffet do all your work for you. *
Sam West
> Sam West wrote:
> > Epstein worked with scientists, so did William. I did not. Mook
> > knows who they are, he signed an NDA -
>
> Let me see if I understand you.
>
> Epstein hire Nobel laureats to examine Mook's proposals,
for Epstein & Company, yes.
> but the
> Nobel laureates as a condition of their employment insisted that Mook
> sign an NDA forbiding Mook (and presumably Epstein) from publicly
> identifying them.
??? No one said that! haha.. what a dumb idea!
Epstein is writing the checks here. Why is he doing that? To get
benefit of people's time and attention. Obviously Epstein doesn't
want others to benefit from work he is hiring to be done. So, clearly
Epstein is asking experts to review a proposed business opportunity
for possible investment by Epstein & Company.
> Is this correct?
Plainly you are confused.
> If so it puts you, me, and everyone else in the awkward position of
> having to take Mook's word that his proposals have been approved by
> Nobel laureates.
Not at all. Mook isn't telling anyone anything. I am merely
responding to comments here with what I have heard in my dealings with
Mook.
> Surely Mook appreciates that under those
> circumstances his claims to that effect can't be taken seriously?
So? This i susenet, is anything on usenet taken seriously?
> Also, is there any way to verify Mook's relationships with Epstein
> and Johnson?
Well, you could contact Susan Rhiel, bankruptcy trustee for the Smith
& Johnson fiasco, from what I understand 1/3 of the shares in one of
Mook's companies is tied up in that bankruptcy. That would be
documentation of the relationship with Johnson. You could also
contact Marvin Minsky from MIT. Mook mentioned meeting him before
signing the NDA at one of his many trips to New York City to put
together the deal. Then there's the business development director at
NYMEX who called the office several times. Then, there's the
Accenture relationship manager David Abood listed on page 32 of this
document;
http://www.scribd.com/doc/22490014/Sugico-Mok-Plan-3
prepared as part of the work needed to get a listing on the Singapore
exchange. I recall he went to some meetings in New York wth Mook and
Johnson on Epstein's jet.
> He never mentioned them himself.
He was asked not to talk about them, he agreed not to do so, and Mr.
Mook is a man of his word as far as I can tell.
> Your posts on the
> subject were the first time they were brought up.
Alright.
> Does Mook believe that Epstein's and Johnson's difficulties were
> *because* of their connections with Mook?
Mook says he cannot know such things, but I do believe he thinks it a
distinct possibility given that had the Mok Plan gone forward with
Strategic Petroleum Reserve and Delta America would have $8.2 trillion
more in their economy today and likely our banking system would still
be strong.
> Your timeline seems to
> suggest this.
Yes, I think so, definitely.
> If so, do Epstein and Johnson also think so?
I do not know, I have never met Epstein, and I have only seen Johnson
twice and never had an opportunity to speak with him.
> Thanks for your responses.
No problemo.
Sam West
Mook is not getting benefit of his efforts. Buffet owes Mook $25,000
for meetings he had in New York, which Buffet hasn't paid yet
according to what I've heard.
PV
>Mook is not getting benefit of his efforts. Buffet owes Mook $25,000
>for meetings he had in New York, which Buffet hasn't paid yet
>according to what I've heard.
It must be nice to be completely oblivious to sarcasm. *
Don Lancaster
> Sam West <sman...@gmail.com> writes:
>> Mook is not getting benefit of his efforts. Buffet owes Mook $25,000
>> for meetings he had in New York, which Buffet hasn't paid yet
>> according to what I've heard.
>
> It must be nice to be completely oblivious to sarcasm. *
Bill Ward
> On Nov 13, 2:12 pm, Bashful <bash...@bashful.net> wrote:
>> Sam West wrote:
>> > Epstein worked with scientists, so did William. I did not. Mook
>> > knows who they are, he signed an NDA -
>>
>> Let me see if I understand you.
>>
>> Epstein hire Nobel laureats to examine Mook's proposals,
>
> for Epstein & Company, yes.
>
>> but the
>> Nobel laureates as a condition of their employment insisted that Mook
>> sign an NDA forbiding Mook (and presumably Epstein) from publicly
>> identifying them.
>
> ??? No one said that! haha.. what a dumb idea!
>
> Epstein is writing the checks here. Why is he doing that? To get
> benefit of people's time and attention. Obviously Epstein doesn't want
> others to benefit from work he is hiring to be done. So, clearly
> Epstein is asking experts to review a proposed business opportunity for
> possible investment by Epstein & Company.
>
>> Is this correct?
>
> Plainly you are confused.
Obviously, clearly and plainly, the author of the above paragraph is
Mook. His writing style identifies him as sure as a spectrogram does an
element. Who's he hiding from?
Sam West
> PV wrote:
I have no doubt you are the expert in that area, judging by the rants
you write! lol.
Sam West
Obviously you are wrong. lol.
Though I will admit to giving Mook an article like this one - to
improve his persuasive skills;
The use of intensifiers, obviously, clearly, plainly - is well
documented in the English Literature world, where I am from. Not so
much in Engineering and Science worlds where Mook is from.
Bill Ward
You've done it for years, Mook. It stands out like a sore thumb in your
writing. Go back and look at the archives.
Why are you trying to hide?
DanB
I don't know he is hiding. I believe he is certified bonkers...
Bill Ward
Maybe both?
Bill Ward
Maybe both?
Sam West
He who is bonkers is he who will not accept reality as it is and
believes that by ignoring reality somehow it will change. haha - that
describes this group. Obviously the use of intensifiers is something
that is taught to all who study debate. Plainly Mr. Mook uses
intensifiers. Clearly, intensifier use by others such as myself does
not make me Mr. Mook, even though their use may on occasion sound like
Mr. Mook given the nature of these adverbial intensifiers.
Bill Ward
IOW, "Ignore the little man behind the curtain." OK, Wiz.