Comments from a retired Intel executive...
Jim Thompson
http://www.chuckroger.com/pushingdonkeys.htm
...Jim Thompson
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I shit upon the State of Maryland...
http://spectator.org/blog/2009/09/11/could-acorn-video-maker-be-pro
Everyone should take their business, and their vacations, elsewhere.
amdx
"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
message news:a9h0b5l1027d713lf...@4ax.com...
> Comments from a retired Intel executive...
>
> http://www.chuckroger.com/pushingdonkeys.htm
>
> ...Jim Thompson
"Liberals favor emotion over logic as the direction-setting engine for
society.
They ask if we're treating people "fairly" and are always dumbfounded that
prosperity-powered by the engine of high achievement-provides jobs at
which the "less fortunate" can work in order to mitigate their
less-fortunateness."
Just one of the many beauties of capitalism.
Mike
Ouroboros Rex
> Comments from a retired Intel executive...
>
> http://www.chuckroger.com/pushingdonkeys.htm
Just one more hateful, lying right wing bastard, spewing lies so fast he
can't keep track - they're a dime a dozen. This one seems to be on some
really, REALLY good drugs, however. lol
MooseFET
They sure are sounding more frantic by the day. Remember that they
always accuse others of the sin they are currently committing. If you
hear one come out against homosexuals, you know that they are closet
gays. Now they are accusing others of being driven by irrational
emotion. This and not drugs is what is at work. They know that they
have lost the argument because their heart felt ideas have been tried
in real life and the results of the experiment show them to be wrong.
Now they are left to fume and rage.
gearhead
Well, I don't agree that "conservatives" get everything wrong.
But when I see such an acidulous polemic it gives me pause.
Michael Robinson
"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
message news:a9h0b5l1027d713lf...@4ax.com...
>
> http://www.chuckroger.com/pushingdonkeys.htm
>
> ...Jim Thompson
The guy lost it, he's frothing at the mouth. This can't do the conservative
cause any good.
Richard the Dreaded Libertarian
> "Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
> message news:a9h0b5l1027d713lf...@4ax.com...
>> Comments from a retired Intel executive...
>>
>> http://www.chuckroger.com/pushingdonkeys.htm
>
> conservative cause any good.
The road to Hell is paved with good intentions, as is the Communist
Manifesto.
Problem is, the Communist Manifesto leaves out the part about, "Who pays
the astronomical bill for all this largesse?"
You do, is who.
Thanks,
Rich
Richard the Dreaded Libertarian
> "Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
> society.
> They ask if we're treating people "fairly" and are always dumbfounded that
> prosperity-powered by the engine of high achievement-provides jobs at
> which the "less fortunate" can work in order to mitigate their
> less-fortunateness."
>
> Just one of the many beauties of capitalism.
I'd say it's more like the Blessings of Liberty. :-)
Cheers!
Rich
PeterD
Britian, as an article says today, is finding that they have created
so much public debt that they don't think it will ever be cleared. All
in the name of good socialism...
Michael
> > messagenews:a9h0b5l1027d713lf...@4ax.com...
> >> Comments from a retired Intel executive...
>
> >>http://www.chuckroger.com/pushingdonkeys.htm
>
> > The guy lost it, he's frothing at the mouth. This can't do the
> > conservative cause any good.
>
> The road to Hell is paved with good intentions, as is the Communist
> Manifesto.
>
> Problem is, the Communist Manifesto leaves out the part about, "Who pays
> the astronomical bill for all this largesse?"
>
> You do, is who.
>
> Thanks,
> Rich
"Some years ago, Heywood Broun told me of a cartoonist employed by one
of the Communist papers in New York. The cartoonist developed cancer
and was obliged to give up work. Broun went to the
Communists and asked if they would not give him some pension to help
pay his hospital bills. The answer that he received from the
Communists was 'He is of no use to us. He is no longer a member of the
revolutionary class, and therefore for us he does not exist.' That was
good Communism, it was not good humanitarianism. Once you start with
the principle that the person has no value, but only the revolutionary
class has, then liquidation becomes inevitable."
- Archbishop Fulton Sheen
Nico Coesel
We all do. A band with only lead singers won't go anywhere. We all
need to work as a team to get further.
--
Failure does not prove something is impossible, failure simply
indicates you are not using the right tools...
"If it doesn't fit, use a bigger hammer!"
--------------------------------------------------------------
UltimatePatriot
wrote:
>Jim Thompson wrote:
>> Comments from a retired Intel executive...
>>
>> http://www.chuckroger.com/pushingdonkeys.htm
>
> Just one more hateful, lying right wing bastard,
You're an idiot. There was no hate, just a valid observation, and there
were no lies either, you retarded twit.
> spewing lies so fast he
>can't keep track
More like YOU can't keep track of your lies. Oh... that's right, all
you have to do is count everything, because everything you state is a
goddamned lie.
> - they're a dime a dozen.
You're as worthless as tits on a bull.
> This one seems to be on some
>really, REALLY good drugs, however. lol
More proof that you are as retarded as a person can get.
UltimatePatriot
Yet another total retard chimes in with totally retarded horseshit.
UltimatePatriot
wrote:
It wouldn't be if you had been here for the last 4 decades watching the
things he spoke about happening. As stupid as many folks here are, I
wouldn't put it past you to have been here, but merely as clueless as the
next dope, totally oblivious to the events.
Dipshits like you give me more than pause.
Have you ever even read a newspaper?
amdx
"Nico Coesel" <ni...@puntnl.niks> wrote in message
news:4ab169c4.2167862906@news.planet.nl...
> Richard the Dreaded Libertarian <freed...@example.net> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 12:08:31 -0400, Michael Robinson wrote:
>>> "Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
>>> message news:a9h0b5l1027d713lf...@4ax.com...
>>>> Comments from a retired Intel executive...
>>>>
>>>> http://www.chuckroger.com/pushingdonkeys.htm
>>>
>>> The guy lost it, he's frothing at the mouth. This can't do the
>>> conservative cause any good.
>>
>>The road to Hell is paved with good intentions, as is the Communist
>>Manifesto.
>>
>>Problem is, the Communist Manifesto leaves out the part about, "Who pays
>>the astronomical bill for all this largesse?"
>>
>>You do, is who.
>
> We all do. A band with only lead singers won't go anywhere. We all
> need to work as a team to get further.
>
I'm not sure that's true, about forty percent of the the "we" don't pay
any taxes.
Mike
And please don't say they pay payroll taxes (also known as social security
taxes)
That is a payment into a disability/retirement plan. That apparently pays
out more
than it takes in.
Ouroboros Rex
Another delusional right wing liar. Like I said, a dime a dozen.
Ouroboros Rex
Another delusional right wing liar. Like I said, a dime a dozen.
Michael Robinson
"UltimatePatriot" <Ultimat...@thebestcountry.org> wrote in message
news:8pt2b5tbrr0bte37u...@4ax.com...
You're just jealous because gearhead has a better vocabulary than you do.
Richard the Dreaded Libertarian
> Richard the Dreaded Libertarian <freed...@example.net> wrote:
>>On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 12:08:31 -0400, Michael Robinson wrote:
>>> "Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote
>>> in message news:a9h0b5l1027d713lf...@4ax.com...
>>>> Comments from a retired Intel executive...
>>>>
>>>> http://www.chuckroger.com/pushingdonkeys.htm
>>>
>>> The guy lost it, he's frothing at the mouth. This can't do the
>>> conservative cause any good.
>>
>>The road to Hell is paved with good intentions, as is the Communist
>>Manifesto.
>>
>>Problem is, the Communist Manifesto leaves out the part about, "Who pays
>>the astronomical bill for all this largesse?"
>>
>>You do, is who.
>
> We all do. A band with only lead singers won't go anywhere. We all need to
> work as a team to get further.
Which "team" makes pencils? Who grows the wood, who cuts it up, who mines
(or makes) the graphite for the leads, who mines the metal for the ferrule,
smelts it, and forms it? Who harvests the latex from the rubber trees, who
processes it into an eraser, and who assembles all these components?
Can a top-down dictatorship possibly run all these aspects of pencil
manufacture?
The Free Market is the way to properly distribute the work and give the
highest return on investment for all parties concerned.
Hope This Helps!
Rich
Nico Coesel
We all know what free market leads to: banks go into bancrupty, poison
baby milk, no more fish, no more trees, people looting, etc. Free
market = total anarchy. Regulation is required for a society in order
to function.
Nico Coesel
>
>"Nico Coesel" <ni...@puntnl.niks> wrote in message
>news:4ab169c4.2167862906@news.planet.nl...
>> Richard the Dreaded Libertarian <freed...@example.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 12:08:31 -0400, Michael Robinson wrote:
>>>> "Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
>>>> message news:a9h0b5l1027d713lf...@4ax.com...
>>>>> Comments from a retired Intel executive...
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.chuckroger.com/pushingdonkeys.htm
>>>>
>>>> The guy lost it, he's frothing at the mouth. This can't do the
>>>> conservative cause any good.
>>>
>>>The road to Hell is paved with good intentions, as is the Communist
>>>Manifesto.
>>>
>>>Problem is, the Communist Manifesto leaves out the part about, "Who pays
>>>the astronomical bill for all this largesse?"
>>>
>>>You do, is who.
>>
>> We all do. A band with only lead singers won't go anywhere. We all
>> need to work as a team to get further.
>>
> "We all do"
> I'm not sure that's true, about forty percent of the the "we" don't pay
>any taxes.
They should shoot whoever thought of that. Seems like some politician
wanted to get populair very fast. Now someone has to undo that. Soft
healers make festering wounds.
Jim Thompson
wrote:
Society survived for THOUSANDS of years without government.
Then bullies decided it was to their benefit to create government.
...Jim Thompson
--
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| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
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Obama wee-wee'd on himself, that's no problem,
But you should be worried that he poo-poo'd on your Constitution.
Martin Brown
> On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:58:21 GMT, ni...@puntnl.niks (Nico Coesel)
> wrote:
>
>> Richard the Dreaded Libertarian <freed...@example.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 22:48:48 +0000, Nico Coesel wrote:
>>>> Richard the Dreaded Libertarian <freed...@example.net> wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 12:08:31 -0400, Michael Robinson wrote:
>>>>>> "Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote
>>>>>> in message news:a9h0b5l1027d713lf...@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> Comments from a retired Intel executive...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.chuckroger.com/pushingdonkeys.htm
>>>>>> The guy lost it, he's frothing at the mouth. This can't do the
>>>>>> conservative cause any good.
Oh I don't know. It shows them for exactly what they are.
>>>>> The road to Hell is paved with good intentions, as is the Communist
>>>>> Manifesto.
>>>>>
>>>>> Problem is, the Communist Manifesto leaves out the part about, "Who pays
>>>>> the astronomical bill for all this largesse?"
>>>>>
>>>>> You do, is who.
>>>> We all do. A band with only lead singers won't go anywhere. We all need to
>>>> work as a team to get further.
>>> Which "team" makes pencils? Who grows the wood, who cuts it up, who mines
>>> (or makes) the graphite for the leads, who mines the metal for the ferrule,
>>> smelts it, and forms it? Who harvests the latex from the rubber trees, who
>>> processes it into an eraser, and who assembles all these components?
>>>
>>> Can a top-down dictatorship possibly run all these aspects of pencil
>>> manufacture?
You choose a *very* bad example. The early history of the pencil
industry was a perfect monopoly with the raw material strictly
controlled by a single mine in Cumberland UK and export of raw materials
banned on pain of death. See for example the history of Faber-Castell:
http://www.faber-castell.de/bausteine.net/file/showfile.aspx?downdaid=6562&sp=E&domid=1010&fd=2
The names of the individuals given franchises to make pencils are still
recognisable centuries later as famous brands.
>>> The Free Market is the way to properly distribute the work and give the
>>> highest return on investment for all parties concerned.
Monopolies do that most effectively at least for the key shareholders.
The price is sky high and quality goes to hell because there is no
competition. Think how Enron deliberately starved California of power.
They really added shareholder value. So did Lehman Brothers and the
other con merchants in the merchant b^dwanking sector. And then they had
to be bailed out by the taxpayers. Heads we win tails you lose banking.
Unbounded greed and stupidity combined to create extreme moral hazard.
>> We all know what free market leads to: banks go into bancrupty, poison
>> baby milk, no more fish, no more trees, people looting, etc. Free
>> market = total anarchy. Regulation is required for a society in order
>> to function.
Short term profits and this years bonuses take priority over long term
growth and investing for the future.
>
> Society survived for THOUSANDS of years without government.
There was *no* society without a government or some other kind of
leadership. Even packs of dogs have an alpha male. After visiting the
USA Thatcher famously said "There is no such thing as society".
>
> Then bullies decided it was to their benefit to create government.
>
> ...Jim Thompson
You are delusional and senile.
Government and the modern legal system exists to prevent bullies from
using might is right with their private armies to win every time.
The Greeks invented democracy - although Socrates famously summed it up
by saying "I was really too honest to be a politician and live".
Arguably anyone who actually *wants* to be a politician should be
automatically disqualified from the post.
Regards,
Martin Brown
Ouroboros Rex
Now THAT's funny, I don't care who ya are.
Richard the Dreaded Libertarian
> Richard the Dreaded Libertarian <freed...@example.net> wrote:
>>
>>The Free Market is the way to properly distribute the work and give the
>>highest return on investment for all parties concerned.
>
> We all know what free market leads to: banks go into bancrupty, poison
> baby milk, no more fish, no more trees, people looting, etc. Free market =
> total anarchy. Regulation is required for a society in order to function.
Got any actual concrete examples of any of this crap, or is it just
socialist hysteria?
Thanks,
Rich
UltimatePatriot
No. Mr. Roger has a better vocabulary than I do. The GearTwit doesn't
even come close. Then, there is that liberal mindset thing that
completely puts him in the gutter.
Jealous? Bwuahahahahahahaahahahahaahaha!
MooseFET
> On Sep 16, 10:57 am, MooseFET <kensm...@rahul.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 16, 10:35 pm, "Ouroboros Rex" <i...@casual.com> wrote:
>
> > > Jim Thompson wrote:
> > > > Comments from a retired Intel executive...
>
> > > >http://www.chuckroger.com/pushingdonkeys.htm
>
> > > Just one more hateful, lying right wing bastard, spewing lies so fast he
> > > can't keep track - they're a dime a dozen. This one seems to be on some
> > > really, REALLY good drugs, however. lol
>
> > They sure are sounding more frantic by the day. Remember that they
> > always accuse others of the sin they are currently committing. If you
> > hear one come out against homosexuals, you know that they are closet
> > gays. Now they are accusing others of being driven by irrational
> > emotion. This and not drugs is what is at work. They know that they
> > have lost the argument because their heart felt ideas have been tried
> > in real life and the results of the experiment show them to be wrong.
> > Now they are left to fume and rage.
>
> Well, I don't agree that "conservatives" get everything wrong.
> But when I see such an acidulous polemic it gives me pause.
Sometimes, they will agree that the sky is blue. They don't get
everything wrong, but given their history, if you are given even odds
bet on it. These are the same folks who "knew" exactly where the WMDs
in Iraq were and didn't know that the folks their didn't like each
other and etc.
Jim Thompson
>On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 21:47:53 +0100, Martin Brown
><|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Jim Thompson wrote:[snip]
>
>> After visiting the
>>USA Thatcher famously said "There is no such thing as society".
>
>It had nothing to do with her visiting the U.S. She rightly made the
>observation there is no such thing as 'society' per the 'common good'
>subterfuge for government control.
>
>
>>> Then bullies decided it was to their benefit to create government.
>>>
>>> ...Jim Thompson
>>
>>You are delusional and senile.
Better than being queer and a fairy !-)
>
>Take care of the accusations hurled lest you discover the target is
>your own reflection.
>
>
>>Government and the modern legal system exists to prevent bullies from
>>using might is right with their private armies to win every time.
>
>You inserted "modern" for what was a comment about the distant past
>and it is no 'secret' that, historically, many, if not most,
>'governments' have been vehicles for, as Thompson put it, 'bullies'.
>
>Or, as Mel Brooks opined, "it's good to be the King." That is, as long
>as you can keep the next fellow who feels the same from killing your
>ass.
>
[snip]
Impeach the BASTARDO!
Les Cargill
> On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 12:08:31 -0400, Michael Robinson wrote:
>> "Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
>> message news:a9h0b5l1027d713lf...@4ax.com...
>> conservative cause any good.
>
> The road to Hell is paved with good intentions, as is the Communist
> Manifesto.
>
> Problem is, the Communist Manifesto leaves out the part about, "Who pays
> the astronomical bill for all this largesse?"
>
> You do, is who.
>
> Rich
>
The Communist Manifesto is founded on the idea that Capital places
large swaths of negative externalities on labor. It got wrong that
there's a public goods aspect to increased production - that there
would be significant public benefit arising from the increases
in production. This meant at the time increases wrought in blood -
the life expectancy of an early Industrial Revolution Londoner
was about 35, lower than it had been 100 years before.
You can't quite blame 'em for it - Marx was right about
more than he was wrong about. He's like Chomsky; good on
the details, not so good on the fully assembled picture.
And if your Grandpa hadn'ta fought the Cold War, you'd have
never heard about it to start with. They just didn't have the
data, which were principally blown by the incredible amounts of
agricultural productivity seen in regions around Nebraska, when
the Great Plains were converted from buffalo to wheat and corn.
Nebraska demanded its own sacrifice, in the Great White
Winter, when half of everything died. After that, it set the pattern
to feed the world. Stalin copied this very closely; leading
to the bounty from the Ukraine.
There was never so much "largesse" as during WWI - over 100%
of GDP in retained bond debt year by year. We seem to have done fine
by it. I think the Brits paid the last of it off a couple
years ago. Don't believe me? Watch the decline in technical content
of the Radio Shack catalogs year by year here:
http://www.radioshackcatalogs.com/
Goes from datasheets to slick in nothing flat.
If I have a point, it is that details matter. The large generalities
serve as well as they do, but sometimes, you gotta laugh like
the character of Curtin ( Tim Hobbs ) in "The Treasure
of the Sierra Madre". You can only do what you do with
what you got. We're damn lucky the Commies *weren't* right.
And they might be yet.
--
Les Cargill
Les Cargill
There was government in Egypt and in Babylon.
--
Les Cargill
Michael A. Terrell
MooseFET wrote:
>
> Sometimes, they will agree that the sky is blue.
Its black, with lots of lightning around here. I've had three short
power outages so far this evening. :(
--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense!
TheGlimmerMan
>True but homo sapiens had been around for a couple hundred thousand
>years before then.
>
>As far as we can tell, the thing we call 'civilization' has occupied
>less than 5% of mankind's existence. It's a 'new idea'. The 'latest
>thing', so to speak.
Mad Max comes to mind for how it is getting.
Ouroboros Rex
Just google any of the terms.
You may still be able to find a place on this planet without regulation of
the market, but don't count on running water or 24 hour electricity.
Ouroboros Rex
> On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 21:47:53 +0100, Martin Brown
> <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> England.
>
>> industry was a perfect monopoly with the raw material strictly
>> controlled by a single mine in Cumberland UK and export of raw
>> materials banned on pain of death. See for example the history of
>> Faber-Castell:
>>
>> http://www.faber-castell.de/bausteine.net/file/showfile.aspx?downdaid=6562&sp=E&domid=1010&fd=2
>>
>> The names of the individuals given franchises to make pencils are
>> still recognisable centuries later as famous brands.
>
> reasons you don't want government 'in business'. Business 'kills the
> competition' with product and price. Government does so by law,
> taxation, force of arms, and execution.
You may be able to find places on earth where they don't, if you take
bodyguards and rations for the trip. =)
>
> That's what Obama calls 'competition'.
>
>>>>> The Free Market is the way to properly distribute the work and
>>>>> give the highest return on investment for all parties concerned.
>>
>> Monopolies do that most effectively at least for the key
>> shareholders. The price is sky high and quality goes to hell because
>> there is no competition.
>
> There are no monopolies in a free market, by definition.
>
>> Think how Enron deliberately starved California of power.
>
> Enron was able to game the California 'market' because of California's
> (and Federal) government regulation. It wasn't a free market and if it
> had been Enron wouldn't have been able to do it.
>
> The quaint notion that government can 'stop corruption' by micro
> managing markets is a myth. Instead you end up with two effects. The
> first is the creation of corruption by virtue of the virtually
> unlimited power regulation gives to government. Second, you transfer
> corruption from the relatively weak, individual or even a 'company',
> private sector to the seat of power, government. And when government
> regulates what, when, where, how and price you have no means of
> 'competing', or even doing business at all, outside gaming government.
> That becomes 'the game' and where 'the money' is.
>
>
>> They really added shareholder value. So did Lehman Brothers and the
>> other con merchants in the merchant b^dwanking sector. And then they
>> had to be bailed out by the taxpayers. Heads we win tails you lose
>> banking. Unbounded greed and stupidity combined to create extreme
>> moral hazard.
>
> There would have been no 'toxic securities' crisis had it not been for
> government sponsored and directed Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac flooding
> the market with junk securities. The entire crisis was manufactured by
> fanciful government policy and regulation.
Indeed. Phil Gramm's bills removed the restrictions on banks becoming
brokers, and then removed the resulting subprime mortgage derivatives market
from any and all regulation.
Ouroboros Rex
> if it were the odds of this Democrat Congress impeaching a Democrat
> President, for any reason, are infinitely less than the odds of
> Ahmadinejad converting to Judaism this week.
Exactly. We couldn't even get Bush impeached, and he had pulled the
military off Bin Laden's back in the spring of 2001, then invaded the wrong
country.
MooseFET
wrote:
> MooseFET wrote:
>
> > Sometimes, they will agree that the sky is blue.
>
> Its black, with lots of lightning around here. I've had three short
> power outages so far this evening. :(
Bummer!
A later today, I hope to be looking at a black sky with little lights
in it on purrpose.
MooseFET
Web-Site.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:58:21 GMT, n...@puntnl.niks (Nico Coesel)
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >Richard the Dreaded Libertarian <freedom_...@example.net> wrote:
>
> >>On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 22:48:48 +0000, Nico Coesel wrote:
> >>> Richard the Dreaded Libertarian <freedom_...@example.net> wrote:
> >>>>On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 12:08:31 -0400, Michael Robinson wrote:
> >>>>> in messagenews:a9h0b5l1027d713lf...@4ax.com...
> >>>>>> Comments from a retired Intel executive...
>
> >>>>>>http://www.chuckroger.com/pushingdonkeys.htm
>
> >>>>> The guy lost it, he's frothing at the mouth. This can't do the
> >>>>> conservative cause any good.
>
> >>>>The road to Hell is paved with good intentions, as is the Communist
> >>>>Manifesto.
>
> >>>>Problem is, the Communist Manifesto leaves out the part about, "Who pays
> >>>>the astronomical bill for all this largesse?"
>
> >>>>You do, is who.
>
> >>> We all do. A band with only lead singers won't go anywhere. We all need to
> >>> work as a team to get further.
>
> >>Which "team" makes pencils? Who grows the wood, who cuts it up, who mines
> >>(or makes) the graphite for the leads, who mines the metal for the ferrule,
> >>smelts it, and forms it? Who harvests the latex from the rubber trees, who
> >>processes it into an eraser, and who assembles all these components?
>
> >>Can a top-down dictatorship possibly run all these aspects of pencil
> >>manufacture?
>
> >>The Free Market is the way to properly distribute the work and give the
> >>highest return on investment for all parties concerned.
>
> >We all know what free market leads to: banks go into bancrupty, poison
> >baby milk, no more fish, no more trees, people looting, etc. Free
> >market = total anarchy. Regulation is required for a society in order
> >to function.
>
> Society survived for THOUSANDS of years without government.
That is one the lonier claims that have been made.
There has never been a case ever of society surviving for even one
single year without a government. They were Kings, Queens Emperors,
chiefs, war lords, big thug on the block these are all governments.
Democracy is another form but it is moderately rare in history.
Any time there are enough people in contact with each other to be
called a society, there will be a government. Ever hunter gatherer
societies have governments.
Nico Coesel
LOL! As far as history goes there have always been governments whether
they where called warlords, emperors, chiefs, village's oldest, kings,
dictators, popes, prime ministers, presidents, capo di tutti capi,
etc.
Jim Thompson
wrote:
Yep. The bullies organized themselves into a union called
"government".
...Jim Thompson
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Nico Coesel
>On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:58:21 +0000, Nico Coesel wrote:
>> Richard the Dreaded Libertarian <freed...@example.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>The Free Market is the way to properly distribute the work and give the
>>>highest return on investment for all parties concerned.
>>
>> We all know what free market leads to: banks go into bancrupty, poison
>> baby milk, no more fish, no more trees, people looting, etc. Free market =
>> total anarchy. Regulation is required for a society in order to function.
>
>Got any actual concrete examples of any of this crap, or is it just
>socialist hysteria?
It seems obvious you never read news papers or watch the news on TV.
Ouroboros Rex
> Richard the Dreaded Libertarian <freed...@example.net> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:58:21 +0000, Nico Coesel wrote:
>>> Richard the Dreaded Libertarian <freed...@example.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The Free Market is the way to properly distribute the work and
>>>> give the highest return on investment for all parties concerned.
>>>
>>> We all know what free market leads to: banks go into bancrupty,
>>> poison baby milk, no more fish, no more trees, people looting, etc.
>>> Free market = total anarchy. Regulation is required for a society
>>> in order to function.
>>
>> Got any actual concrete examples of any of this crap, or is it just
>> socialist hysteria?
>
> It seems obvious you never read news papers or watch the news on TV.
This is a time-honored usenet technique: "waste your opponent's time."
It's one of many such techniques that could not survive in a face to face
group conversation; a form of cowardice reserved for situations where the
waster can then pretend a failure to play along means his opponent is
deficient.
In this case, any normal conversational group would still be snickering
over the use of the word "socialist." ;)
UltimatePatriot
wrote:
>
> Exactly. We couldn't even get Bush impeached, and he had pulled the
>military off Bin Laden's back in the spring of 2001, then invaded the wrong
>country.
>
You're a goddamned retarded twit that has invaded the human race with
your sub-human stupidity.
Ouroboros Rex
> is a lie."
What you mean is, you cannot disprove any of it. Not one single word.
Ouroboros Rex
> is a lie."
What you mean is, you canot disprove a word of it. Not one.
Ouroboros Rex
>
> is a lie."
>
> Republicans and Democrats and signed by President Bill Clinton, did
> not remove "any and all regulations" and even if it had it doesn't
> alter the fact there would have been no 'toxic asset crisis' if Fannie
> Mae and Freddie Mac hadn't flooded the market with junk securities.
A lie. Fannie and Freddie bought up securities flooding the market from
private entities.
>
> Nor would 'securities regulation', outside of Fannie Mae and Freddie
> Mac, have 'prevented' the crisis because no one had any other means to
> evaluate the "no ask" loans they repackaged into 'guaranteed'
> securities. I.E. 'Regulators' can't 'instruct you' to 'not buy crap'
> when the government backed issuer is telling everyone they're
> guaranteed good.
A lie. "Government back issuer"s did not originate anywhere near a
majority of the defective instruments.
richard
> Exactly. We couldn't even get Bush impeached, and he had pulled the
> military off Bin Laden's back in the spring of 2001, then invaded the wrong
> country.
>
>
>
Yes, Bush was an idiot.
Finally the common man saw though him - so now there is a democrat in the white house.
UltimatePatriot
You two are absolute fucking retards.
don
They may be wrong about Bush, but they are right about whose in the
white house now.
Suck it up asshole.
don
Richard the Dreaded Libertarian
s/democrat/communist/
Hope This Helps!
Rich
Ouroboros Rex
Yes, the republican party has fallen so far that its members are barely
tied to reality now - they live almost completely in a fantasy world of
their media keepers' design, and like it.