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John Robertson
Jul 23, 2019, 8:30:13 PM7/23/19
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He complains almost as much as the orange haired one.
John
John
Bill Sloman
Jul 23, 2019, 10:43:52 PM7/23/19
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On Wednesday, July 24, 2019 at 10:30:13 AM UTC+10, John Robertson wrote:
> He complains almost as much as the orange haired one.
Even the Russians could afford to make the quality of the trolling better than the implausible twaddle that Cursitor Doom posts.
> He complains almost as much as the orange haired one.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
bitrex
Jul 23, 2019, 11:02:39 PM7/23/19
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On 7/23/19 8:30 PM, John Robertson wrote:
> He complains almost as much as the orange haired one.
>
> John
Russian trolls probably get paid they don't need to charge 10 pound
> He complains almost as much as the orange haired one.
>
> John
licensing fees.
k...@notreal.com
Jul 23, 2019, 11:08:29 PM7/23/19
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On Tue, 23 Jul 2019 17:30:03 -0700, John Robertson <sp...@flippers.com>
wrote:
>He complains almost as much as the orange haired one.
[. . . . /]
I R O N Y
wrote:
>He complains almost as much as the orange haired one.
I R O N Y
Tom Gardner
Jul 24, 2019, 4:34:11 AM7/24/19
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On 24/07/19 01:30, John Robertson wrote:
> He complains almost as much as the orange haired one.
His behaviour is one that I would expect from a classic
> He complains almost as much as the orange haired one.
Russian false-flag propaganda machine. Think of it as
"agit-prop lite".
He is on record as thinking Russia Today is one of
the most trustworthy news sources, viz:
On 31/08/17 22:59, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> On Thu, 31 Aug 2017 11:22:14 -0700, lonmkusch wrote:
>
>> While you're deciding, I think I'm going to stroll over to RT for some
>> good unbiased news.
> If you can't see that RT is a zillion times more reputable as a news
> source than CNN/NBC/BBC et al, you must be totally blind. Sure they
> aren't 100% impartial; no news organisation is. But they are my most
> trusted news source even if not yours - until such time as I ever
> discover otherwise, of course.
>
Tom Gardner
Jul 24, 2019, 4:35:45 AM7/24/19
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Local "agit-prop" from a "useful fool".
Bill Sloman
Jul 24, 2019, 7:13:35 AM7/24/19
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And the proposition that Cursitor Doom might be in any way useful does seem suspect.
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Bill Sloman, Sydney
Tom Gardner
Jul 24, 2019, 10:41:13 AM7/24/19
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ISTR picking up the phrase "useful fool" from a John le Carre
novel. Other people seem to use the term "useful idiot.
It is usually associated with Russians such as Lenin and Putin.
Their version of "useful fool" is "полезный дурак", Anglicised as
"poleznyy durak".
Bill Sloman
Jul 25, 2019, 4:43:46 AM7/25/19
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On Thursday, July 25, 2019 at 12:41:13 AM UTC+10, Tom Gardner wrote:
> On 24/07/19 12:13, Bill Sloman wrote:
> > On Wednesday, July 24, 2019 at 6:35:45 PM UTC+10, Tom Gardner wrote:
> >> On 24/07/19 03:43, Bill Sloman wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, July 24, 2019 at 10:30:13 AM UTC+10, John Robertson wrote:
> >>>> He complains almost as much as the orange haired one.
> >>>
> >>> Even the Russians could afford to make the quality of the trolling better
> >>> than the implausible twaddle that Cursitor Doom posts.
> >>
> >> No need. It is easier to get people to believe big lies.
> >>
> >> Local "agit-prop" from a "useful fool".
> >
> > Big lies are one thing. Grotesquely implausible lies are another.
> >
> > And the proposition that Cursitor Doom might be in any way useful does seem suspect.
>
> Well that depends on ones viewpoint and objectives!
>
> ISTR picking up the phrase "useful fool" from a John le Carre
> novel. Other people seem to use the term "useful idiot.
Historically it was used of people silly enough to confuse communism with socialism, and promote the interests of the Soviet Union because they imagined that this was a way of promoting international socialism. Cursitor Doom's idiocy goes the other way, in that he confuses socialism with communism.
> On 24/07/19 12:13, Bill Sloman wrote:
> > On Wednesday, July 24, 2019 at 6:35:45 PM UTC+10, Tom Gardner wrote:
> >> On 24/07/19 03:43, Bill Sloman wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, July 24, 2019 at 10:30:13 AM UTC+10, John Robertson wrote:
> >>>> He complains almost as much as the orange haired one.
> >>>
> >>> Even the Russians could afford to make the quality of the trolling better
> >>> than the implausible twaddle that Cursitor Doom posts.
> >>
> >> No need. It is easier to get people to believe big lies.
> >>
> >> Local "agit-prop" from a "useful fool".
> >
> > Big lies are one thing. Grotesquely implausible lies are another.
> >
> > And the proposition that Cursitor Doom might be in any way useful does seem suspect.
>
> Well that depends on ones viewpoint and objectives!
>
> ISTR picking up the phrase "useful fool" from a John le Carre
> novel. Other people seem to use the term "useful idiot.
> It is usually associated with Russians such as Lenin and Putin.
> Their version of "useful fool" is "полезный дурак", Anglicised as
> "poleznyy durak".
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
Tom Gardner
Jul 25, 2019, 6:46:21 AM7/25/19
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On 25/07/19 09:43, Bill Sloman wrote:
> On Thursday, July 25, 2019 at 12:41:13 AM UTC+10, Tom Gardner wrote:
>> On 24/07/19 12:13, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, July 24, 2019 at 6:35:45 PM UTC+10, Tom Gardner wrote:
>>>> On 24/07/19 03:43, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, July 24, 2019 at 10:30:13 AM UTC+10, John Robertson wrote:
>>>>>> He complains almost as much as the orange haired one.
>>>>>
>>>>> Even the Russians could afford to make the quality of the trolling better
>>>>> than the implausible twaddle that Cursitor Doom posts.
>>>>
>>>> No need. It is easier to get people to believe big lies.
>>>>
>>>> Local "agit-prop" from a "useful fool".
>>>
>>> Big lies are one thing. Grotesquely implausible lies are another.
>>>
>>> And the proposition that Cursitor Doom might be in any way useful does seem suspect.
>>
>> Well that depends on ones viewpoint and objectives!
>>
>> ISTR picking up the phrase "useful fool" from a John le Carre
>> novel. Other people seem to use the term "useful idiot.
>
> Historically it was used of people silly enough to confuse communism with socialism, and promote the interests of the Soviet Union because they imagined that this was a way of promoting international socialism. Cursitor Doom's idiocy goes the other way, in that he confuses socialism with communism.
>
>> It is usually associated with Russians such as Lenin and Putin.
>
> Lenin is supposed to have used it. I hadn't heard that Putin had adopted it.
Neither have I. I didn't state he had, but po-mo-lit-crit
> On Thursday, July 25, 2019 at 12:41:13 AM UTC+10, Tom Gardner wrote:
>> On 24/07/19 12:13, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, July 24, 2019 at 6:35:45 PM UTC+10, Tom Gardner wrote:
>>>> On 24/07/19 03:43, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, July 24, 2019 at 10:30:13 AM UTC+10, John Robertson wrote:
>>>>>> He complains almost as much as the orange haired one.
>>>>>
>>>>> Even the Russians could afford to make the quality of the trolling better
>>>>> than the implausible twaddle that Cursitor Doom posts.
>>>>
>>>> No need. It is easier to get people to believe big lies.
>>>>
>>>> Local "agit-prop" from a "useful fool".
>>>
>>> Big lies are one thing. Grotesquely implausible lies are another.
>>>
>>> And the proposition that Cursitor Doom might be in any way useful does seem suspect.
>>
>> Well that depends on ones viewpoint and objectives!
>>
>> ISTR picking up the phrase "useful fool" from a John le Carre
>> novel. Other people seem to use the term "useful idiot.
>
> Historically it was used of people silly enough to confuse communism with socialism, and promote the interests of the Soviet Union because they imagined that this was a way of promoting international socialism. Cursitor Doom's idiocy goes the other way, in that he confuses socialism with communism.
>
>> It is usually associated with Russians such as Lenin and Putin.
>
> Lenin is supposed to have used it. I hadn't heard that Putin had adopted it.
could lead someone to believe that I had, as in "John Kennedy
was not a homosexual".
But then I've gathered all I want to know about po-mo-lit-crit
from
https://www.info.ucl.ac.be/~pvr/decon.html
"This is the story of one computer professional's explorations
in the world of postmodern literary criticism......"
>> Their version of "useful fool" is "полезный дурак", Anglicised as
>> "poleznyy durak".
>
> I did science Russian a long time ago, but never used it, and have retained very few words. Those two are long lost.
jurb...@gmail.com
Jul 25, 2019, 8:09:50 AM7/25/19
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On Tuesday, July 23, 2019 at 7:30:13 PM UTC-5, John Robertson wrote:
> He complains almost as much as the orange haired one.
>
> John
First of all BOY, his name is Trump. Or are you fucking people going to be like fourth graders and call names ? Fucking GROW UP already.
> He complains almost as much as the orange haired one.
>
> John
Second of all discard what Slowman says. If he can designa sigle stage common source amp using a JFET he is a savant. (that is three resistors and you can almost pull the values out of a hat) He knows NOTHING about anything else.
Now Cursitor is a different animal and I do not expect the likes of you to understand it but the deal is though he is not well informed (fucking nobody here is as far as I can tell) he has a rather less than popular quality of looking at world event objectively. I do. You can't.
I'll prove it right now - quote;
"the orange haired one"
That PROVES you walk in with preconceived notions and guess where they come from ? The liberal lie factory. Well that doesn't work anymore and you liberals can get this through your head right now - Donald Trump will be president of the US until 2025. And it is because of liberals, and it is because of leftist liberals that he got elected in the first place.
A client of mine is IN the Ohio democrat party, a voting member. he is among those who decides who gets the party's endorsement. he voted for Trump and just might do it again. Another democrat I know of saw the choices between Trump and HRC and went back to bed.
DEMOCRATS GOT TRUMP ELECTED. What is more they have simply doubled down doing what is known not to work. That is the definition of insanity. They're only getting worse. You all smug they got the lower house ? Well they can forget about the senate and they lost a ton of governors and state legislators, and now they are actually worse !
Did you notice that fork sticking out your ass ?
Bill Sloman
Jul 25, 2019, 10:03:14 AM7/25/19
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On Thursday, July 25, 2019 at 10:09:50 PM UTC+10, jurb...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 23, 2019 at 7:30:13 PM UTC-5, John Robertson wrote:
> > He complains almost as much as the orange haired one.
> >
> > John
>
> First of all BOY, his name is Trump. Or are you fucking people going to be like fourth graders and call names ? Fucking GROW UP already.
Not before Donald Trump does. His tweets aren't exactly adding dignity to the US presidency.
> On Tuesday, July 23, 2019 at 7:30:13 PM UTC-5, John Robertson wrote:
> > He complains almost as much as the orange haired one.
> >
> > John
>
> First of all BOY, his name is Trump. Or are you fucking people going to be like fourth graders and call names ? Fucking GROW UP already.
> Second of all discard what Sloman says. If he can design a sigle stage common source amp using a JFET he is a savant. (that is three resistors and you can almost pull the values out of a hat) He knows NOTHING about anything else.
Nothing that Jurb seems to be able to follow.
> Now Cursitor is a different animal and I do not expect the likes of you to understand it but the deal is though he is not well informed (fucking nobody here is as far as I can tell) he has a rather less than popular quality of looking at world event objectively. I do. You can't.
> I'll prove it right now - quote;
>
> "the orange haired one"
>
> That PROVES you walk in with preconceived notions and guess where they come from ?
> The liberal lie factory.
More the liberal factory for churning out objective reports that right-wing nitwits want to shout down.
> Well that doesn't work anymore and you liberals can get this through your head right now - Donald Trump will be president of the US until 2025.
> And it is because of liberals, and it is because of leftist liberals that he got elected in the first place.
> A client of mine is IN the Ohio democrat party, a voting member. he is among those who decides who gets the party's endorsement. he voted for Trump and just might do it again. Another democrat I know of saw the choices between Trump and HRC and went back to bed.
> DEMOCRATS GOT TRUMP ELECTED. What is more they have simply doubled down doing what is known not to work. That is the definition of insanity. They're only getting worse. You all smug they got the lower house ? Well they can forget about the senate and they lost a ton of governors and state legislators, and now they are actually worse!
> Did you notice that fork sticking out your ass?
He might even think that Trump could learn to act like a president if given that much time to practice, while the rest of us wonder if he'd have a country left to be president of if given a few more years in which to screw up.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
jurb...@gmail.com
Jul 25, 2019, 5:13:32 PM7/25/19
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God damn I have never seen such stupidity in anyone who knew anything about the sciences. They seem mutually exclusive but I guess I am proven wrong now.
John Robertson
Jul 25, 2019, 7:38:22 PM7/25/19
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On 2019/07/25 5:09 a.m., jurb...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 23, 2019 at 7:30:13 PM UTC-5, John Robertson wrote:
>> He complains almost as much as the orange haired one.
>>
>> John
>
> First of all BOY, his name is Trump. ...
> On Tuesday, July 23, 2019 at 7:30:13 PM UTC-5, John Robertson wrote:
>> He complains almost as much as the orange haired one.
>>
>> John
>
>
Was I talking about US President Donald J. Trump?
Yet you thought you knew who I was talking about, why is that? Does Mr.
Trump complain a lot? Is his hair also orange?
However you ignored the suggested Russian connection just like the US
President and his cabinet appear to be doing.
The Mueller investigation was set up by the Republicans to investigate
the Russian influence in the 2016 US election...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Counsel_investigation_(2017%E2%80%932019)
Doesn't it bother you at all that the Russians are trying to work your
election process for their own benefit? Really? You are happy with this?
We are taking this threat very seriously here in Canada and our federal
government is doing a lot of work to make sure the influence is kept to
a minimum and to keep the public informed.
https://www.reuters.com/article/canada-politics-election/corrected-foreign-interference-in-2019-canada-election-very-likely-ottawa-idUSL1N21Q0A9
I await your vitriolic response as you can't appear to compose a reply
without them.
John
bitrex
Jul 25, 2019, 8:06:59 PM7/25/19
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have been the best friends the right has ever had!
Q: What's a Democrat?
A: Someone who helps Republicans pass things they can't pass on their own
bitrex
Jul 25, 2019, 8:51:42 PM7/25/19
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over a decade under different names.
If he has a new gig now he must be careful or will surely bring great
shame to Republic and be sent to work camp in forest! ну ты даёшь!
bitrex
Jul 25, 2019, 8:54:56 PM7/25/19
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On 7/25/19 10:03 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
>> A client of mine is IN the Ohio democrat party, a voting member. he is among those who decides who gets the party's endorsement. he voted for Trump and just might do it again. Another democrat I know of saw the choices between Trump and HRC and went back to bed.
>
> Jurb keeps deplorable company.
>
the parts of Ohio where minor elected officials feel their biggest
>> A client of mine is IN the Ohio democrat party, a voting member. he is among those who decides who gets the party's endorsement. he voted for Trump and just might do it again. Another democrat I know of saw the choices between Trump and HRC and went back to bed.
>
> Jurb keeps deplorable company.
>
accomplishment in life is being a swing vote.
Jan Panteltje
Jul 26, 2019, 3:08:56 AM7/26/19
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On a sunny day (Thu, 25 Jul 2019 20:51:38 -0400) it happened bitrex
>shame to Republic and be sent to work camp in forest! ÐœÑ Ñ Ñ ÐŽÐ°Ñ Ñ Ñ !
As to the defense of Cursitor Gloom, and Russia,
'merrycan propaganda and their people dancing like puppets to Agent Orange
who is nothing more than a spokesman for NethanYahoo, and in bed with Saudi Arabia for the money
while your infrastructure falls apart, your debt is increasing , your people sleep on the streets,
your climate is melting you, oops better stop here.
Anyways, I did on occasion read rt.com still do so every now an then
to see the view from the other less hysterical side,
and I read many more news sources just to keep an overview of what humming-beans are up to these days.
Why the fear for Russia? You should have fear of Agent Orange.
Especially if you are in the US for only a year and did not have that piece of tissue paper to prove
you are allowed to shit there,
So Cursitor Doom is OK and you claim to have freedom of speech yet you attack him sound like a demon-crate
OTOH of course Russia has hacked your computah so that explains the mistakes you make.
??@@
__
<press here to reboot>
And demoncrates want exactly the same political system as Russia have AFAICT.
And I do remember Khrushchev banging his shoe on the table in the UN
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoe-banging_incident
and also him telling the US it would turn to socialism
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/khrushchev-doses-of-socialism/
So, of course I am no Russia Agent, I am just an alien observer of humming-beans running around on their mostly watery planet
one ant heap against the other one.
Personally I think the powerful alliance between China and Russia, and hopefully soon the EU,
will show the US where it now stands, or rather lays down in shambles.
<press here if first reboot did not help>
As to the defense of Cursitor Gloom, and Russia,
'merrycan propaganda and their people dancing like puppets to Agent Orange
who is nothing more than a spokesman for NethanYahoo, and in bed with Saudi Arabia for the money
while your infrastructure falls apart, your debt is increasing , your people sleep on the streets,
your climate is melting you, oops better stop here.
Anyways, I did on occasion read rt.com still do so every now an then
to see the view from the other less hysterical side,
and I read many more news sources just to keep an overview of what humming-beans are up to these days.
Why the fear for Russia? You should have fear of Agent Orange.
Especially if you are in the US for only a year and did not have that piece of tissue paper to prove
you are allowed to shit there,
So Cursitor Doom is OK and you claim to have freedom of speech yet you attack him sound like a demon-crate
OTOH of course Russia has hacked your computah so that explains the mistakes you make.
??@@
__
<press here to reboot>
And demoncrates want exactly the same political system as Russia have AFAICT.
And I do remember Khrushchev banging his shoe on the table in the UN
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoe-banging_incident
and also him telling the US it would turn to socialism
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/khrushchev-doses-of-socialism/
So, of course I am no Russia Agent, I am just an alien observer of humming-beans running around on their mostly watery planet
one ant heap against the other one.
Personally I think the powerful alliance between China and Russia, and hopefully soon the EU,
will show the US where it now stands, or rather lays down in shambles.
<press here if first reboot did not help>
Tom Gardner
Jul 26, 2019, 3:42:25 AM7/26/19
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On 26/07/19 08:08, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> Anyways, I did on occasion read rt.com still do so every now an then
> to see the view from the other less hysterical side,
> and I read many more news sources just to keep an overview of what humming-beans are up to these days.
Yes, always valuable, and it is more difficult to do that
> Anyways, I did on occasion read rt.com still do so every now an then
> to see the view from the other less hysterical side,
> and I read many more news sources just to keep an overview of what humming-beans are up to these days.
in the US than in Europe. Classic point: in the US "foreign"
news often means "news from a different state"!
> Why the fear for Russia?
someone that was forced to crawl under it.
The last time it wasn't quite that, since I was on business
in Berlin less than a week after the wall fell; the entire
city was in a daze that was probably like that at the end
of WW2.
I an friends also personally tested the West's standard
propaganda both personally - and found it to be accurate.
Nothing significant has changed since then; they continue
to be a threat.
> You should have fear of Agent Orange.
But that doesn't mean we shouldn't be afraid of Russia.
Putin is clever and thinks strategically, unlike our
clowns.
Jan Panteltje
Jul 26, 2019, 4:31:45 AM7/26/19
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On a sunny day (Fri, 26 Jul 2019 08:42:19 +0100) it happened Tom Gardner
<spam...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in <v9y_E.773345$2U7.5...@fx02.am4>:
>On 26/07/19 08:08, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> Anyways, I did on occasion read rt.com still do so every now an then
>> to see the view from the other less hysterical side,
>> and I read many more news sources just to keep an overview of what humming-beans are up to these days.
>
>Yes, always valuable, and it is more difficult to do that
>in the US than in Europe. Classic point: in the US "foreign"
>news often means "news from a different state"!
>
>
>> Why the fear for Russia?
>
>Because I went through the iron curtain 6 times, and know
>someone that was forced to crawl under it.
I have only been in Berlin shortly after that wall fell.
In a hotel that is, only 2 days,.
Never been to Russia, been over large parts of the rest of the world though.
Crossing one border and rules and living stile change.
Is one system better than the other?
One ant heap better than the other?
If you measure by the amount of junk we collect, then 4 sure capitalism as we have is, better.
I did read recently that Scandinavia has the happiest people:
https://www.atlasandboots.com/happiest-countries-in-the-world-ranked/
UK is number 15 down the list, US 19, Russia 68, Netherlands where I am is number 5.
Is it an objective list? I dunno.
>The last time it wasn't quite that, since I was on business
>in Berlin less than a week after the wall fell; the entire
>city was in a daze that was probably like that at the end
>of WW2.
>
>I an friends also personally tested the West's standard
>propaganda both personally - and found it to be accurate.
>
>Nothing significant has changed since then; they continue
>to be a threat.
>
>
>> You should have fear of Agent Orange.
>
>Indeed.
>
>But that doesn't mean we shouldn't be afraid of Russia.
>
>Putin is clever and thinks strategically, unlike our
>clowns.
Well, I dunno, here, in the past I have stated 'When Obama sneezes then all of the Dutch government has a cold'.
Now with trade tensions increasing, that may well change a bit,
the German economy is slowing down because of those trade tensions, that affects all of the EU.
Merkel was pretty much a US puppet.
Of course Agent Orange wants war in the EU and wants it to fall apart, he is a ruthless weapon sales man and ego maniac after all.
At this point in time I think Russia and China want better trade with the EU.
I do not see a military threat from those, I do see a military threat when Agent Orange
cancels international nuclear weapon reduction treaties and stations short to medium range nuclear missiles
here, that makes me target.
So no fear of Russia more of the war mongering US that than forces us to accommodate the refugees from the countries
it destroys by its imperialism or just for the sake of testing its weapons.
The bright horizon is history, we know (and especially those in the UK) what happened to the Roman empire in its last days.
Then later ,after it fell, they had the lire, and hundreds of lires would just about buy you a pizza...
:-)
<spam...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in <v9y_E.773345$2U7.5...@fx02.am4>:
>On 26/07/19 08:08, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> Anyways, I did on occasion read rt.com still do so every now an then
>> to see the view from the other less hysterical side,
>> and I read many more news sources just to keep an overview of what humming-beans are up to these days.
>
>Yes, always valuable, and it is more difficult to do that
>in the US than in Europe. Classic point: in the US "foreign"
>news often means "news from a different state"!
>
>
>> Why the fear for Russia?
>
>Because I went through the iron curtain 6 times, and know
>someone that was forced to crawl under it.
In a hotel that is, only 2 days,.
Never been to Russia, been over large parts of the rest of the world though.
Crossing one border and rules and living stile change.
Is one system better than the other?
One ant heap better than the other?
If you measure by the amount of junk we collect, then 4 sure capitalism as we have is, better.
I did read recently that Scandinavia has the happiest people:
https://www.atlasandboots.com/happiest-countries-in-the-world-ranked/
UK is number 15 down the list, US 19, Russia 68, Netherlands where I am is number 5.
Is it an objective list? I dunno.
>The last time it wasn't quite that, since I was on business
>in Berlin less than a week after the wall fell; the entire
>city was in a daze that was probably like that at the end
>of WW2.
>
>I an friends also personally tested the West's standard
>propaganda both personally - and found it to be accurate.
>
>Nothing significant has changed since then; they continue
>to be a threat.
>
>
>> You should have fear of Agent Orange.
>
>Indeed.
>
>But that doesn't mean we shouldn't be afraid of Russia.
>
>Putin is clever and thinks strategically, unlike our
>clowns.
Now with trade tensions increasing, that may well change a bit,
the German economy is slowing down because of those trade tensions, that affects all of the EU.
Merkel was pretty much a US puppet.
Of course Agent Orange wants war in the EU and wants it to fall apart, he is a ruthless weapon sales man and ego maniac after all.
At this point in time I think Russia and China want better trade with the EU.
I do not see a military threat from those, I do see a military threat when Agent Orange
cancels international nuclear weapon reduction treaties and stations short to medium range nuclear missiles
here, that makes me target.
So no fear of Russia more of the war mongering US that than forces us to accommodate the refugees from the countries
it destroys by its imperialism or just for the sake of testing its weapons.
The bright horizon is history, we know (and especially those in the UK) what happened to the Roman empire in its last days.
Then later ,after it fell, they had the lire, and hundreds of lires would just about buy you a pizza...
:-)
Jan Panteltje
Jul 26, 2019, 5:07:50 AM7/26/19
to
>On 26/07/19 08:08, Jan Panteltje wrote:
I have only been in Berlin shortly after that wall fell.
In a hotel that is, only 2 days,.
Correction:
In a hotel that is, only 2 days,.
I also was in East Berlin before the wall fell, with some other people, in a hotel..
Nice place, quiet.
Probably makes me a commie agent, so beware :-)
Bill Sloman
Jul 26, 2019, 7:22:00 AM7/26/19
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On Friday, July 26, 2019 at 7:13:32 AM UTC+10, jurb...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> God damn I have never seen such stupidity in anyone who knew anything about the sciences. They seem mutually exclusive but I guess I am proven wrong now.
Jurb snips the whole of the post he is responding too, and complains about other people's stupidity. There's an element of irony there.
>
> God damn I have never seen such stupidity in anyone who knew anything about the sciences. They seem mutually exclusive but I guess I am proven wrong now.
I had to log in to eternal september to find out what he was complaining about.
Calling a post as a whole stupid isn't all that useful - you really do need to pick out the particularly stupid bits, and tell the audience why you found the stupid. It's pretty much obligatory to repost enough of what you didn't like to let your post stand on its own.
In jurb's case it mostly means he doesn't know enough to understand what's actually being said, which isn't quite the same as being stupid.
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Cursitor Doom
Jul 26, 2019, 12:49:15 PM7/26/19
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On Fri, 26 Jul 2019 07:08:47 +0000, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> So, of course I am no Russia Agent, I am just an alien observer of
> humming-beans running around on their mostly watery planet one ant heap
> against the other one.
ROTFL!! What a wonderful turn of phrase you have there, Jan. :-D
> So, of course I am no Russia Agent, I am just an alien observer of
> humming-beans running around on their mostly watery planet one ant heap
> against the other one.
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Jul 26, 2019, 1:03:10 PM7/26/19
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On Fri, 26 Jul 2019 09:07:42 +0000, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> Correction:
> I also was in East Berlin before the wall fell, with some other people,
> in a hotel..
> Nice place, quiet.
>
> Probably makes me a commie agent, so beware :-)
All in all, it's a great city. I lived there for a few years *after* the
> Correction:
> I also was in East Berlin before the wall fell, with some other people,
> in a hotel..
> Nice place, quiet.
>
> Probably makes me a commie agent, so beware :-)
wall came down and there is something compelling about the place. I still
miss it terribly and go back to visit whenever I can. When I left the UK
I didn't give a FF about it despite having lived there most of my life so
why that should be different with Berlin I just don't know. An ex-
girlfriend of mine in the city accused me of being a spy, too, although
not a Russian one (she was Russian). However, I wasn't then, am not now
and never have been. So happy to have the chance to set the record
straight on that.
Dimiter_Popoff
Jul 26, 2019, 1:06:10 PM7/26/19
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some Bulgarian websites so I have seen all of their repertoire.
It is as retarded as it gets, just when you think you have seen how
retarded their posts can be they manage to surprise you again and
again.
I rarely read this group but I have seen some of his posts, not enough
to argue it either way. If he has no on topic posts he most certainly is
a troll.
Unbelievable how such a retarded propaganda effort works - and has
worked, we have who we have in the White house now, and we have who we
have at number 10 now....
Dimiter
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jurb...@gmail.com
Jul 26, 2019, 8:26:04 PM7/26/19
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>Was I talking about US President Donald J. Trump?
I'm sorry if I made the wrong assumption. There is so much Trump bashing these days it seemed like it, orange hair, skin, whatever, The people who do the bashing are not all that bright. So enlighten me, to whom did you refer ?
>Does Mr. Trump complain a lot?
>However you ignored the suggested Russian connection just like the US
>President and his cabinet appear to be doing.
>The Mueller investigation was set up by the Republicans to investigate
>the Russian influence in the 2016 US election...
>...and to keep the public informed
Typical lie. If you were ever really informed there would be blood overflowing the sewers. Most Canadians are just s clueless as most USians.
>I await your vitriolic response as you can't appear to compose a reply
>without them.
I feel so unfulfilled.
bitrex
Jul 26, 2019, 8:40:01 PM7/26/19
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On 7/26/19 4:31 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> On a sunny day (Fri, 26 Jul 2019 08:42:19 +0100) it happened Tom Gardner
> <spam...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in <v9y_E.773345$2U7.5...@fx02.am4>:
>
>> On 26/07/19 08:08, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>> Anyways, I did on occasion read rt.com still do so every now an then
>>> to see the view from the other less hysterical side,
>>> and I read many more news sources just to keep an overview of what humming-beans are up to these days.
>>
>> Yes, always valuable, and it is more difficult to do that
>> in the US than in Europe. Classic point: in the US "foreign"
>> news often means "news from a different state"!
>>
>>
>>> Why the fear for Russia?
>>
>> Because I went through the iron curtain 6 times, and know
>> someone that was forced to crawl under it.
>
> I have only been in Berlin shortly after that wall fell.
> In a hotel that is, only 2 days,.
> Never been to Russia, been over large parts of the rest of the world though.
>
> Crossing one border and rules and living stile change.
> Is one system better than the other?
> One ant heap better than the other?
> If you measure by the amount of junk we collect, then 4 sure capitalism as we have is, better.
> I did read recently that Scandinavia has the happiest people:
> https://www.atlasandboots.com/happiest-countries-in-the-world-ranked/
>
> UK is number 15 down the list, US 19, Russia 68, Netherlands where I am is number 5.
> Is it an objective list? I dunno.
>
Yeah, lots of socialist countries have better standards of living than
> On a sunny day (Fri, 26 Jul 2019 08:42:19 +0100) it happened Tom Gardner
> <spam...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in <v9y_E.773345$2U7.5...@fx02.am4>:
>
>> On 26/07/19 08:08, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>> Anyways, I did on occasion read rt.com still do so every now an then
>>> to see the view from the other less hysterical side,
>>> and I read many more news sources just to keep an overview of what humming-beans are up to these days.
>>
>> Yes, always valuable, and it is more difficult to do that
>> in the US than in Europe. Classic point: in the US "foreign"
>> news often means "news from a different state"!
>>
>>
>>> Why the fear for Russia?
>>
>> Because I went through the iron curtain 6 times, and know
>> someone that was forced to crawl under it.
>
> I have only been in Berlin shortly after that wall fell.
> In a hotel that is, only 2 days,.
> Never been to Russia, been over large parts of the rest of the world though.
>
> Crossing one border and rules and living stile change.
> Is one system better than the other?
> One ant heap better than the other?
> If you measure by the amount of junk we collect, then 4 sure capitalism as we have is, better.
> I did read recently that Scandinavia has the happiest people:
> https://www.atlasandboots.com/happiest-countries-in-the-world-ranked/
>
> UK is number 15 down the list, US 19, Russia 68, Netherlands where I am is number 5.
> Is it an objective list? I dunno.
>
the US by the Cato Institute's own metrics.
Many Americans have no problem with that. Americans are not opposed to
socialism in theory.
Many Americans are opposed to socialism in practice only in the
particular circumstance when shithole countries try it, or brown people
are the beneficiaries. Or anyone who's not like, rich people or hot
white chicks u wanna bang.
If there were to be some kind of hot white girl-only socialism tried in
the United States, like ah, you might call it some kind of "national
socialism" where you only gave free housing and cars stuff to beautiful,
hot sexy young white European and Scandinavian women and luxury cars and
shit I think 99% of Republicans would be okay with that.
Hell I'd wager that's every 65 year old right-winger's _dream_
situation, matter of fact.
bitrex
Jul 26, 2019, 8:46:27 PM7/26/19
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the 21st century as a "great country" should be up to snuff on but is
only marginally second-world standard in quality, like Internet speeds.
example usage:
"Our inter-city passenger rail service is high quality by 1993 Bulgaria
standards"
and
"Man, I sure love paying $79/mo for Internet that's slow by Bulgarian
standards"
jurb...@gmail.com
Jul 26, 2019, 9:09:02 PM7/26/19
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Then there is my friend Adam, I will not reveal his last name. International lawyer. One way I would put it is he is rich but not filthy. He MIGHT be part of the worldwide one percenters but I don't care and I don't ask such questions. He knows not only the powers that be in several places, but also the People.
He has a couple million dollar house in Poland he is fixing up. He hires Ukrainian labor. Perfectly legal, not like here. They have so many jobs they can't fill them so it is not like us bringing in Mexicans.
I think if Trump keeps it up and we get someone like him after the US might become that way - simply not care because we are all working. We need the people then. He says because of his position he really can't do anything illegal, if he got caught and disbarred there goes a really cushy job and lots of money. Well not always the cushiest, he had some surgery lately and had to catch up so he burned the midnight oil and slept on his office couch that night. If you want money I guess you have to do something once in a while right ?
Anyway I also sometimes go to AP directly. I get the news they get but they don't get a chance to spin it. That is not the way to be really informed though, I check thongs for veracity, I want to see them NOT THE DUPLICATE articles and I want at least one from a dot org or even better a dot gov. I don't guarantee it but the odds are a bit better of it being somewhat true.
Nobody here can begin to compete with my resources.
Forget the TV. The TV is only good for old TV shows. I goes in the livingroom and they are watching the cable and all these people have powers, shooting rays out of their stomach, eyes, fingers, who knows what else ? I don't have it wired to me. All I use the TV for is Star Trek, Have Gun Will Travel, Cheyenne, sometimes old Gunsmokes or Outer Limits' and whatever but it is all old enough not just to drink and drive, but to have a pension. I don't even tune in the news for the local weather anymore. I use the internet. Simple, temperature graph for the rest of the day, percent precipitation, humidity. I get it in about 20 mS whenever I want it. Sometimes in the summer I don't bother. I got a humidity gauge and a barometer, I almost don't need them at all. There is one problem though, in the winter when the furnace runs the humidity always reads 0%.
They could shut down all the TV stations and cable companies in the country today and it wouldn't bother me a bit. Actually same with the movie studios, theaters, Facebitch. Keep Twit though, help Trump blow off steam.
jurb...@gmail.com
Jul 26, 2019, 9:34:05 PM7/26/19
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>brown people are the beneficiaries
You can break your back bending that way to hide the inherent racism of the left.
A political system should not have beneficiaries. I don't care what color they are I do not owe them anything and they will get exactly that. And as long as they take my money by force and give it to people of any color who only know how to have sex I am not giving them any money.
That's right. And you can turn me in, just give them my email. Tell them you think I started a business last November and am getting to the point where I can't spend fast enough.
No paper trail, no proof no jail. And my clients, only one has ever requested a receipt. I'm not scared of them at all. They can't touch any of my assets, even the $50,000 ashtray. There is a story to that which I shall not relay at this time.
I do not care if you were born here, if you want socialism go to a socialist country, do not try to shove it down our throat here.
If the democrats take this government in 2020, I will likely die soon unless I get out of the country. I will do five times what Wilhelm E. Schmidt did. They didn't like it. He holds the distinction of being old and unarmed and assautling a bunch of younger, armed federal agents. Must have been pretty tough eh ? We would know none of this except for the fact he was on the phone with a local radio station when they came for him.
I don't have to life a finger, except to the keyboard. Not to a knife or a gun, or even a machete or V8 camshaft.
Truth destroys some. Not me. (I mean that BOTH ways)
You can break your back bending that way to hide the inherent racism of the left.
A political system should not have beneficiaries. I don't care what color they are I do not owe them anything and they will get exactly that. And as long as they take my money by force and give it to people of any color who only know how to have sex I am not giving them any money.
That's right. And you can turn me in, just give them my email. Tell them you think I started a business last November and am getting to the point where I can't spend fast enough.
No paper trail, no proof no jail. And my clients, only one has ever requested a receipt. I'm not scared of them at all. They can't touch any of my assets, even the $50,000 ashtray. There is a story to that which I shall not relay at this time.
I do not care if you were born here, if you want socialism go to a socialist country, do not try to shove it down our throat here.
If the democrats take this government in 2020, I will likely die soon unless I get out of the country. I will do five times what Wilhelm E. Schmidt did. They didn't like it. He holds the distinction of being old and unarmed and assautling a bunch of younger, armed federal agents. Must have been pretty tough eh ? We would know none of this except for the fact he was on the phone with a local radio station when they came for him.
I don't have to life a finger, except to the keyboard. Not to a knife or a gun, or even a machete or V8 camshaft.
Truth destroys some. Not me. (I mean that BOTH ways)
Dimiter_Popoff
Jul 27, 2019, 6:42:21 AM7/27/19
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at all. I just happen to live here and can see what I see, some of it
was relevant to the topic.
The rail service is constantly in the news complaining of not being
able to survive, not sure how it works (have used it once last 25+
years, did the job).
The Internet I get over the cable tv here costs me <$20/month, 50Mbps
which actually is that most if not all of the time, including tv
channels and a landline phone (over IP via the cable again). Not
that bad I suppose; they keep on offering me higher speeds but I
decline as I don't really need even the speed I already have.
I must say though that the PM here - who is a populist allright - is
a lot less laughable than the guy the US have in the White house at
the moment.
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Bill Sloman
Jul 27, 2019, 11:53:34 AM7/27/19
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On Saturday, July 27, 2019 at 11:34:05 AM UTC+10, jurb...@gmail.com wrote:
> >brown people are the beneficiaries
>
> You can break your back bending that way to hide the inherent racism of the left.
Not a leftist tendency that anybody but Jurb has noticed.
> >brown people are the beneficiaries
>
> You can break your back bending that way to hide the inherent racism of the left.
> A political system should not have beneficiaries.
Ideally, everybody benefits more or less equally, from things like roads, defense, universal education and piped water but it takes a fair amount of polical activity to stop the rich from creaming off most of the benefit (as they do in the US at the moment).
> I don't care what color they are I do not owe them anything and they will get exactly that. And as long as they take my money by force and give it to people of any color who only know how to have sex I am not giving them any money.
> That's right. And you can turn me in, just give them my email. Tell them you think I started a business last November and am getting to the point where I can't spend fast enough.
>
> No paper trail, no proof no jail. And my clients, only one has ever requested a receipt. I'm not scared of them at all. They can't touch any of my assets, even the $50,000 ashtray. There is a story to that which I shall not relay at this time.
>
> I do not care if you were born here, if you want socialism go to a socialist country, do not try to shove it down our throat here.
> If the democrats take this government in 2020, I will likely die soon unless I get out of the country.
<snipped the even more demented vapourings>
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John Robertson
Jul 27, 2019, 3:05:20 PM7/27/19
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The problem with labels is they are fixed and people aren't. However if
it helps people to call someone a RHINO or Liberal Or Conservative then
fine, but you will find folks come in shades of gray - liberals who like
Trump (I'm sure they exist), conservatives who respect Hillary (there
are a few) - but once the name calling comes into play one has lost all
perspective and the debate has changed from a meeting of minds to a
religious rally on both sides. I try not to play that game, but am as
guilty as the next person from time to time.
I would rather talk politics without adding the religious fervor to the
discussion as it adds nothing and shows that everyone has simply closed
their eyes and ears and are going la-la-la to themselves.
In the end this is a newsgroup about electronics design, not politics,
so I am done with this topic.
John
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