Uncle Al
Dan
Al? He is the best participant in the ongoing discussions.
Bruce Hamilton
wrote:
>I haven't been able to keep up with this newsgroup, but where is Uncle
>Al? He is the best participant in the ongoing discussions.
Each to their own. Uncle Al became petulant, stomped off to other
playgrounds, and is demanding an apology from Richard Schultz before
coming back. I enjoyed the group before Uncle Al, during Uncle Al, and
now after Uncle Al, your mileage may vary. Life goes on......
The original spat and departure annoucement appeared in a thread
called Negative Expansion Materials.
[ Extracted below ]
....
sch...@gefen.cc.biu.ac.il wrote:
> Uncle Al <Uncl...@hate.spam.net> wrote:
> : EdiSon wrote:
> :> Uncle Al <Uncl...@hate.spam.net> wrote:
> :> Nothing.
> : Don't plagiarize.
> Why? You do it.
> Richard Schultz sch...@mail.biu.ac.il
Since you want to be the kingshit nigger in sci.chem, Uncle Al is
going away. It's all yours, buddy boy.
Bye, folks. Dr. Schultz will answer all your technical queries.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" The Net!
[ End Extract ]
Bruce Hamilton
Tracie Parks
"Bruce Hamilton" <B.Ham...@irl.cri.nz> wrote in message
news:3ec927de....@newshost.comnet.co.nz...
I think perhaps it is Richard Schultz who should be demanding the apology..!
sch...@gefen.cc.biu.ac.il
: Each to their own. Uncle Al became petulant, stomped off to other
: playgrounds, and is demanding an apology from Richard Schultz before
: coming back.
I have not seen any requests from Uncle Al for an apology. He is presumably
smart enough to realize that he is in no position to ask for one, and that
I have not done anything to him that requires one. If he really left
because of me (which I doubt), it would be the first time in my experience
that standing up to a bully actually accomplished something.
-----
Richard Schultz sch...@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell bad."
sch...@gefen.cc.biu.ac.il
: I haven't been able to keep up with this newsgroup, but where is Uncle
: Al? He is the best participant in the ongoing discussions.
-----
Richard Schultz sch...@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"Contrariwise," continued Tweedledee, "if it was so, it might be, and
if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic."
Bruce Hamilton
>In article <3ec927de....@newshost.comnet.co.nz>, Bruce Hamilton <B.Ham...@irl.cri.nz> wrote:
>
>: Each to their own. Uncle Al became petulant, stomped off to other
>: playgrounds, and is demanding an apology from Richard Schultz before
>: coming back.
>
>I have not seen any requests from Uncle Al for an apology. He is presumably
>smart enough to realize that he is in no position to ask for one, and that
>I have not done anything to him that requires one. If he really left
>because of me (which I doubt), it would be the first time in my experience
>that standing up to a bully actually accomplished something.
From the Thread " Introduction" in a message dated 09 May 2003
[ Begin detail ]
Message-ID: <3EBC6DD2...@hate.spam.net>
.....
Still is. When Dr. Schultz pulls his thumb out of his ass and
apologizes, I'll come back.
.....
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" The Net!
[ End Detail ]
Bruce Hamilton
sch...@gefen.cc.biu.ac.il
: Still is. When Dr. Schultz pulls his thumb out of his ass and
: apologizes, I'll come back.
Thank you for bringing this humorous post to my attention. If all it
takes to keep Uncle Al out of sci.chem is to refuse to apologize for
accurately characterizing him as a liar, then the job turned out to
be a good deal less troublesome than I would have thought.
-----
Richard Schultz sch...@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"It is terrible to die of thirst in the ocean. Do you have to salt your
truth so heavily that it does not even quench thirst any more?"
Mohammed Farooq
> In article <3ec927de....@newshost.comnet.co.nz>, Bruce Hamilton <B.Ham...@irl.cri.nz> wrote:
>
> : Each to their own. Uncle Al became petulant, stomped off to other
> : playgrounds, and is demanding an apology from Richard Schultz before
> : coming back.
>
> I have not seen any requests from Uncle Al for an apology. He is presumably
> smart enough to realize that he is in no position to ask for one, and that
> I have not done anything to him that requires one. If he really left
> because of me (which I doubt), it would be the first time in my experience
> that standing up to a bully actually accomplished something.
I also feel the same. Did Uncle Al leave sci.chem just because of a
single person and took his posts so seriously .
HikerAd
He insulted just about every minority (even Canadians) on this and other NGs.
He needs to appolgize to a lot of people.
If he never comes back, it would be too soon !
Regards,
Mike Darrett
He's G O N E ? ! ! ! ?
Mike Darrett
Mike Darrett
He insulted even his own ethnic group. Unusual fellow. Highly gifted, though.
Did he leave sci.physics too???
Mike
Josh Halpern
sch...@gefen.cc.biu.ac.il wrote:
>In article <ni4kcv4iamh66sftr...@4ax.com>, Bruce Hamilton <B.Ham...@irl.cri.nz> wrote:
>
>: Still is. When Dr. Schultz pulls his thumb out of his ass and
>: apologizes, I'll come back.
>
>Thank you for bringing this humorous post to my attention. If all it
>takes to keep Uncle Al out of sci.chem is to refuse to apologize for
>accurately characterizing him as a liar, then the job turned out to
>be a good deal less troublesome than I would have thought.
>
>
Sometimes the best policy is simply to smile and be quiet. Don't
disturb the bears.
josh halpern
c....@gmx.net
To me every screenname is just a possible source of information. I can not
feel insulted, become embarassed or see any thumbs in asses by someone
hundreds or thousands of miles away.
And if one of the screennames would ask for an apology, I would gladly
type it into the computer to keep usenet alive.
Dear readers: Please ask for apologies because I called you "screenname".
jmfb...@aol.com
friend <me.at...@universe.org> wrote:
>On 20 May 2003 15:04:23 -0700, mike-...@darrettenterprises.com
>(Mike Darrett) wrote:
>
>
>>
>>He insulted even his own ethnic group. Unusual fellow. Highly gifted,
though.
>>
>>Did he leave sci.physics too???
>>
>>Mike
>
>
The human race.
/BAH
Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.
John Sefton
jmfb...@aol.com wrote:
> In article <0rgmcvccnnen6ofj4...@4ax.com>,
> friend <me.at...@universe.org> wrote:
>
>>On 20 May 2003 15:04:23 -0700, mike-...@darrettenterprises.com
>>(Mike Darrett) wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>He insulted even his own ethnic group. Unusual fellow. Highly gifted,
>>
> though.
>
>>>Did he leave sci.physics too???
>>>
>>>Mike
>>
>>
>>which is???
>
>
> The human race.
> `
KKK
Daniel J. Stern
> From the Thread " Introduction" in a message dated 09 May 2003
> Message-ID: <3EBC6DD2...@hate.spam.net>
> When Dr. Schultz pulls his thumb out of his ass and
> apologizes, I'll come back.
Dr. Schultz, you are now the keymaster. Please don't apologize!
DS
Richard Schultz
: On Tue, 20 May 2003, Bruce Hamilton quoted Uncle Al:
I have no intention of apologizing -- certainly not before Uncle Al
makes a public admission of the errors and lies in which I have caught him.
I do not believe that one needs to apologize for having pointed out the
lies that a liar has told.
-----
Richard Schultz sch...@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
jmfb...@aol.com
John Sefton <veg...@accesscomm.ca> wrote:
>
>
>jmfb...@aol.com wrote:
>> In article <0rgmcvccnnen6ofj4...@4ax.com>,
>> friend <me.at...@universe.org> wrote:
>>
>>>On 20 May 2003 15:04:23 -0700, mike-...@darrettenterprises.com
>>>(Mike Darrett) wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>He insulted even his own ethnic group. Unusual fellow. Highly gifted,
>>>
>> though.
>>
>>>>Did he leave sci.physics too???
>>>>
>>>>Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>which is???
>>
>>
>> The human race.
>> `
>KKK
Nope. Uncle provides a service here. Not only does he comment
when the emperor has no clothes, he takes time to analyze the
condition of the royal dick.
If you ever bother to read Uncle's answers, you'll find a pun
or two buried in most of the originals.
Richard Schultz
: Nope. Uncle provides a service here. Not only does he comment
: when the emperor has no clothes, he takes time to analyze the
: condition of the royal dick.
People who think that the emperor has no clothes are probably well advised
not to live in a house without any mirrors.
Bill Vajk
> If you ever bother to read Uncle's answers, you'll find a pun
> or two buried in most of the originals.
Every wannabe tyrant works at being lovable to
onlookers. Even the self appointment of the handle
"Uncle Al" plays into that gambit.
If one is at a party where the host is behaving as
Al Schwartz does, how many would stay because
they're amused? Those who approve by staying are
precisely the ones I don't want to know in future.
YMMV
William J. Vajk
Techny, Illinois
Bill Vajk
> looks, having inferiority coplex?
> High moral ground looser.
Troll.
Richard Saam
What I do not understand is: if Uncle Al really wants to post on this
newsgroup, why he allowed himself to get cornered by Schultz's sense of
absolutism. There must be a raw nerve there only touched by a brother.
None of the other Don Quixote windmills seemed to bother him.
Apparently a Schultz statement requiring apology was posted. Exactly
what was that statement?
Is there room for arbitration?
Richard Saam
friend wrote:
>noone is perfect, but some are better that the others. Having redneck
>UA is still better option than smarties like yourself. it looks too
>many of his opponents are envyful of his skills and popularity.
jmfb...@aol.com
Bill Vajk <bill9...@hotmail.ditchthis.com> wrote:
>jmfb...@aol.com wrote:
>
>> If you ever bother to read Uncle's answers, you'll find a pun
>> or two buried in most of the originals.
>
>Every wannabe tyrant works at being lovable to
>onlookers. Even the self appointment of the handle
>"Uncle Al" plays into that gambit.
He didn't give himself that title. It was give to him because
of an incident.
If you bother to read what he writes rather than react before
clicking, you'ld know that.
jmfb...@aol.com
sch...@mail.biu.ack.il (Richard Schultz) wrote:
>In sci.chem jmfb...@aol.com wrote:
>
>: Nope. Uncle provides a service here. Not only does he comment
>: when the emperor has no clothes, he takes time to analyze the
>: condition of the royal dick.
>
>People who think that the emperor has no clothes are probably well advised
>not to live in a house without any mirrors.
Excuse me. I should have written 'wearing no clothes'.
Daniel J. Stern
> noone is perfect,
Indeed.
> but some are better that the others. Having redneck
> UA is still better option than smarties like yourself. it looks too
> many of his opponents are envyful of his skills and popularity.
..."envyful"?
Come back when you can assemble a simple, coherent sentence.
DS
Bill Vajk
> In article <3ECCC391...@hotmail.ditchthis.com>,
> Bill Vajk <bill9...@hotmail.ditchthis.com> wrote:
>>jmfb...@aol.com wrote:
>>>If you ever bother to read Uncle's answers, you'll find a pun
>>>or two buried in most of the originals.
>>Every wannabe tyrant works at being lovable to
>>onlookers. Even the self appointment of the handle
>>"Uncle Al" plays into that gambit.
> He didn't give himself that title. It was give to him because
> of an incident.
No one had to twist his arm to make him use it. The
story is part of the gambit that you fell for hook,
line, and sinker. Each of us has a fan or few who
present endearing comments. It takes a particular
sort of affectation to make such comments your name.
I have no problem with your liking Al. It takes all
kinds to fill this world. I'm not one of the groupies
and had thought better of you till now.
> If you bother to read what he writes rather than react
> before clicking, you'ld know that.
My history with Al Schwartz spans about 5 years, placing
your little comment in the asinine category. If you'd
read what I wrote before clicking you'd know that. He's
been wrong and written stupid things more than once in
that time. Be careful lest you become known by your
heroes. Oops, too late!
I'll give him credit for being technically correct
more than not. It doesn't excuse his conduct. Nothing
can.
Ralconte
> I haven't been able to keep up with this newsgroup, but where is Uncle
> Al? He is the best participant in the ongoing discussions.
If the entire story interests anyone, go to google groups. You can
click on the any author's name and see all their posts across the
years in any group on any topic. Our favorite uncle is rude, and
that's the understatement of the millennium. But I value his answers
over anyone else's who posts here regularly.
Edward Green
Not necessarily contradictory. In fact, if a tyrant wants to be
called "Our beloved father", he will want to be the all unwilling and
modest recipient of this title ("They _will_ talk of me that way --
gosh"). In Al's case, I know the incident you speak of -- and while
tradition may have given him the title Uncle, it was up to Al how much
to make of it.
Yet another post in the tradition of Alology! He is surely one of the
most talked about posters -- he must love it.
Mark Thorson
Hear, hear! I agree completely!
Bill Vajk
> Yet another post in the tradition of Alology! He is surely one of the
> most talked about posters -- he must love it.
The value dissonance is truly astonishing!
Terry Wilder
"Richard Saam" <rds...@att.net> wrote in message
news:3ECCDF93...@att.net...
Some people who know not most of the answers themselves can patiently wait
for others to make mistakes, then sit and idle gossip the whole day through.
Sound familiar!
Dr. Zarkov
> > >jmfb...@aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > >> If you ever bother to read Uncle's answers, you'll find a pun
> > >> or two buried in most of the originals.
> > >
> > >Every wannabe tyrant works at being lovable to
> > >onlookers. Even the self appointment of the handle
> > >"Uncle Al" plays into that gambit.
> >
> > He didn't give himself that title. It was give to him because
> > of an incident.
> > If you bother to read what he writes rather than react before
> > clicking, you'ld know that.
>
> Not necessarily contradictory. In fact, if a tyrant wants to be
> called "Our beloved father", he will want to be the all unwilling and
> modest recipient of this title ("They _will_ talk of me that way --
> gosh"). In Al's case, I know the incident you speak of -- and while
> tradition may have given him the title Uncle, it was up to Al how much
> to make of it.
"Wannabe tyrant"? Uncle Al? Really?
Steve Turner
>I have no intention of apologizing -- certainly not before Uncle Al
>makes a public admission of the errors and lies in which I have caught him.
>I do not believe that one needs to apologize for having pointed out the
>lies that a liar has told.
You and Al are very much alike. Each of you is a legend in his own
mind.
Steve Turner
Real address contains worldnet instead of spamnet
Bruce Hamilton
> Our favorite uncle is rude, and
>that's the understatement of the millennium. But I value his answers
>over anyone else's who posts here regularly.
Uncle Al decided to leave and set conditions for his return, that's
his choice. If he wishes, he can decide to return. As my earlier posts
noted some may value his posts, others may not.
I don't whine when one poster decides to spit the dummy and leave, or
leaves for very valid reasons, I just appreciate the contribution they
had time to make. There are many other posters to the group who
contribute positively and willingly, and I appreciate their
endeavours.
Sci.chem is a discussion group, not a platform for assailing others.
If people only came to read Uncle Al, they can move on if they wish.
Over the last 12 years or so, I've found many gems here, provided by
many authors. I expect that to continue.
Bruce Hamilton
Josh Halpern
Bruce Hamilton wrote:
>I don't whine when one poster decides to spit the dummy and leave,
>
Where does this image come from? Seriously....it appears useful
josh halpern
Global
>
> Bruce Hamilton wrote:
>
> >I don't whine when one poster decides to spit the dummy and leave,
> >
> Where does this image come from? Seriously....it appears useful
From:
http://notes.nt.gov.au/lant/hansard/HANSARD7.NSF/0/d06ae8f24d92a989482560fc0
00ce7eb?OpenDocument
Seventh Assembly First Session 04/10/94 Parliament Record No.4
Date : 04/10/94 Question No :
Question : Future Intentions of Chief Minister
Question Date : 05/10/94
Member : Mr EDE
To : CHIEF MINISTER
Status : Questions
Information :
Will the Chief Minister concede that it is an important matter of policy, an
important matter for the management of this government and an important
matter for the management of the public service that they may have
confidence in his leadership by knowing whether he intends to remain or
whether he intends to spit the dummy and leave? Does he concede that that is
an important matter of public policy on which he should answer?
ANSWER
Mr Speaker, I do not often say things of this kind about myself, but I
simply advise the Leader of the Opposition that, when he manages to obtain
the standing as leader of his party that I believe that I have with mine, he
may ask that kind of question of me.
Members interjecting.
Mr SPEAKER: Order!
Page 169
Bruce Hamilton
It is a New Zealand and Australian expression for getting very upset
and throwing a tantrum, usually over some trivial event. Origin is
probably from babies spitting out their dummy ( dummy equals American
pacifier ) and throwing a tantrum.
Another local word that is very useful is "shonky", usually used as
an adjective that means somebody may be dishonest and/or of dubious
integrity, or for something that is mechanically unreliable. It has
the correct resonances to even sound underhanded and dubious.
Bruce Hamilton
EdiSon
Uncle Al & Dr. Schultz
++++++++++++++++++++++
Two households, both alike in dignity,
In fair sci.chem., where we lay our scene,
From ancient grudge break to new mutiny,
Where chemical blood makes chemical hands unclean.
A pair of star-cross'd lovers
And the continuance of their rage,
The which if you with patient ears attend,
What here shall miss, our toil shall strive to mend.
Al:
Is love a tender thing? My only love springs from my only hate!
Schultz:
No. It's too rough, too rude, too rowdy, and it pricks like a thorn.
Al:
If love is rough with you, be rough with love. If love pricks you,
prick it back, and you'll beat love down.
Schultz:
O, then, dear saint, let lips touch as hands do. Lips pray, you know,
so faith won't turn to despair.
Al & Schultz:
... smack ... squirr .s.s.slurrrp!
Schultz:
You kiss as though you researched the subject.
Al:
Reject your father and refuse his name. Or if you will not, just
swear to be my love.
Schultz:
My name, dear saint, is hateful to me because it's the name of your
enemy.
Al:
Yet tell me not, for I have heard it all.
Here's much to do with hate, but more with love.
Schultz:
Why, then, O brawling love! O loving hate!
O any thing, of nothing first create!
O heavy lightness! serious vanity!
Al:
Love is a smoke raised with the fume of sighs;
Being purged, a fire sparkling in lovers' eyes;
Being vex'd a sea nourish'd with lovers' tears:
What is it else? a madness most discreet,
A choking gall and a preserving sweet.
My lips, two blushing pilgrims, ready stand
To smooth that rough touch with a tender kiss.
Schultz:
Ay, pilgrim, lips that they must use in prayer.
Al:
O, then, Good night, good night!
Parting is such sweet sorrow that I could say goodnight through
tomorrow.
Schultz:
Will you leave me so unsatisfied?
Al:
Then move not, while my prayer's effect I take.
Thus from my lips, by yours, my sin is purged.
Schultz:
Then have my lips the sin that they have took.
Al:
Sin from thy lips? O trespass sweetly urged!
Give me my sin again.
Schultz:
You kiss by the book.
There never was a story of more sweet than this one of Dr. Schultz and
his Uncle Al.
EdiSon
> In article <3ec927de....@newshost.comnet.co.nz>, Bruce Hamilton <B.Ham...@irl.cri.nz> wrote:
>
> : Each to their own. Uncle Al became petulant, stomped off to other
> : playgrounds, and is demanding an apology from Richard Schultz before
> : coming back.
>
> I have not seen any requests from Uncle Al for an apology. He is presumably
> smart enough to realize that he is in no position to ask for one, and that
> I have not done anything to him that requires one. If he really left
> because of me (which I doubt), it would be the first time in my experience
> that standing up to a bully actually accomplished something.
>
> -----
> Richard Schultz sch...@mail.biu.ac.il
> Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
> Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
> -----
++++++++++++++++++++++
EdiSon
Richard Schultz
: I'll give him [Uncle Al] credit for being technically correct more than not.
Note that I always gave him credit for that, and freely admit that there
are some subjects (e.g. organic synthesis) that he knows much more about
than I do or ever am likely to. Unfortunately, his inability to admit to
those times when he posts something incorrect combined with his penchant
for lying when he thinks people will fall for it makes those occasions on
which he is technically correct useless, and makes it impossible for me
to admire him, or even to take him seriously. And that is completely
independent of his lunatic political views.
-----
Richard Schultz sch...@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"I daresay there's truth in yon Latin book on your shelves; but it's
gibberish and not truth to me, unless I know the meaning o' the words."
--Elizabeth Gaskell, _North and South_
Richard Schultz
: sch...@mail.biu.ack.il (Richard Schultz) wrote:
:>I have no intention of apologizing -- certainly not before Uncle Al
:>makes a public admission of the errors and lies in which I have caught him.
:>I do not believe that one needs to apologize for having pointed out the
:>lies that a liar has told.
:
: You and Al are very much alike. Each of you is a legend in his own mind.
You are quite wrong, at least in my case. The main difference between me
and Uncle Al is precisely that I know more or less where my knowledge stops.
-----
Richard Schultz sch...@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
The gardener plants an evergreen whilst trampling on a flower. . .
Richard Schultz
: . . . Our favorite uncle is rude, and
: that's the understatement of the millennium. But I value his answers
: over anyone else's who posts here regularly.
Well, you can take his claim that a compound that dissociates exothermically
to its elements has a negative enthalpy of formation to your next freshman
chemistry exam, but I don't think it will get you too many points.
-----
Richard Schultz sch...@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
Gavin Whittaker
It wasn't worth reading the first time, and it doesn't improve on continued
repetition...
: Two households, both alike in dignity,
Richard Herring
Green <null...@aol.com> writes
>Not necessarily contradictory. In fact, if a tyrant wants to be
>called "Our beloved father", he will want to be the all unwilling and
>modest recipient of this title ("They _will_ talk of me that way --
>gosh"). In Al's case, I know the incident you speak of --
Is it within the compass of Deja^WGoogle Groups?
--
Richard Herring
Brian Salter-Duke
Northern Territory, Australia Parliament. I am sure Brian Ede learnt it
from his dad.
--
Brian Salter-Duke Humpty Doo, Nr Darwin, Australia
My real address is b_duke(AT)octa4(DOT)net(DOT)au
Use this for reply or followup
Honorary Fellow in Chemistry, Northern Territory University.
jmfb...@aol.com
null...@aol.com (Edward Green) wrote:
>jmfb...@aol.com wrote in message news:<baiop6$elv$6...@bob.news.rcn.net>...
>> In article <3ECCC391...@hotmail.ditchthis.com>,
>> Bill Vajk <bill9...@hotmail.ditchthis.com> wrote:
>> >jmfb...@aol.com wrote:
>> >
>> >> If you ever bother to read Uncle's answers, you'll find a pun
>> >> or two buried in most of the originals.
>> >
>> >Every wannabe tyrant works at being lovable to
>> >onlookers. Even the self appointment of the handle
>> >"Uncle Al" plays into that gambit.
>>
>> He didn't give himself that title. It was give to him because
>> of an incident.
>> If you bother to read what he writes rather than react before
>> clicking, you'ld know that.
>
>Not necessarily contradictory. In fact, if a tyrant wants to be
>called "Our beloved father", he will want to be the all unwilling and
>modest recipient of this title ("They _will_ talk of me that way --
>gosh"). In Al's case, I know the incident you speak of -- and while
>tradition may have given him the title Uncle, it was up to Al how much
>to make of it.
A number of titles have been given to people as a result of pain
and hard work. Some aren't welcomed but accepted because the
conferrers had the respect of the conferee.
>
>Yet another post in the tradition of Alology! He is surely one of the
>most talked about posters -- he must love it.
Uncle says outrageous things. When I started reading newsgroups, I
disagreed with his approach completely. After three years of
thinking about different, more effecacious methods, I merely
disagreed. Now, after thinking even more, I can't disagree because
I can't provide an alternate solution. He can read a post and
figure out quickly that it's trash. He then can respond, not only
with the comment that it's trash, but a pointer(s) to material
IF the poster or readers got interested in learning. I can't do
that. So, like I said, he provides a service here.
jmfb...@aol.com
Bill Vajk <bill9...@hotmail.ditchthis.com> wrote:
>jmfb...@aol.com wrote:
>
>> In article <3ECCC391...@hotmail.ditchthis.com>,
>> Bill Vajk <bill9...@hotmail.ditchthis.com> wrote:
>
>>>jmfb...@aol.com wrote:
>
>>>>If you ever bother to read Uncle's answers, you'll find a pun
>>>>or two buried in most of the originals.
>
>>>Every wannabe tyrant works at being lovable to
>>>onlookers. Even the self appointment of the handle
>>>"Uncle Al" plays into that gambit.
>
>> He didn't give himself that title. It was give to him because
>> of an incident.
>
>No one had to twist his arm to make him use it.
Read my reply to Ed.
> .. The
>story is part of the gambit that you fell for hook,
>line, and sinker. Each of us has a fan or few who
>present endearing comments. It takes a particular
>sort of affectation to make such comments your name.
>
>I have no problem with your liking Al.
This isn't about winning a popularity contest. It's about
sanity checks and the _work_ required to provide them.
> ..It takes all
>kinds to fill this world. I'm not one of the groupies
>and had thought better of you till now.
Oh, good grief. I'm not here to be liked. <sheesh> You're
beginning to sound like my PHBs.
>
> > If you bother to read what he writes rather than react
> > before clicking, you'ld know that.
>
>My history with Al Schwartz spans about 5 years, placing
>your little comment in the asinine category. If you'd
>read what I wrote before clicking you'd know that. He's
>been wrong
Yup. He admits it when he is. He also tries to not make
the same mistakes again.
> ..and written stupid things more than once in
>that time.
The only way I know how not to write stupid things is to
never write anything.
> ..Be careful lest you become known by your
>heroes. Oops, too late!
>
>I'll give him credit for being technically correct
>more than not. It doesn't excuse his conduct. Nothing
>can.
Where conduct is determined by the politically correct crowd?
Those are the people who take the horror out of fairy tales.
Those are the people who insist that kids who can't read be
advanced to the next grade until college graduation? Those
are the people who keep spending money educating the uneducatable?
Those are the people who insist that everybody should get everything
for free but I have to pay for it? Those are the people who insist
that job slots get filled based on lack of balls rather than ability?
Randy Poe
Probably. It would likely have the word "mensa" in it,
and there aren't too many Unkie posts that do in sci.physics
except for that story. Also look for "crispy".
- Randy
EdiSon
You behave just like Uncle Al himself.
Have you never been wrong?
Have you never been stoooopid?
This is a discussion group, not an academic journal.
You discuss, you spit out thoughts and spontaneous ideas,
and you risk the embarrassment and ridicules to make mistakes.
If there's little mistakes, there would be little advances in human
knowledges
Is human knowledge not derived from mistakes?
Don't you agree that Uncle Al can sometimes be helpful, useful and
insightful?
Why are there Uncle Al fans out there? Don't you wonder?
Moreover, is it not boring to be left unchalleged?
I don't mean to be rude, but is it not true that Uncle Al has shared
more knowledges and thoughts to sci.chem than you?
Bruce Hamilton
...
>This is a discussion group, not an academic journal.
>You discuss, you spit out thoughts and spontaneous ideas,
>and you risk the embarrassment and ridicules to make mistakes.
I have no wish to be partisan in this discussion and continue to
build an off topic thread, but my perceptions are:
This group is a discussion group for chemistry-related topics.
There is no rule that participants have to be nice to each other.
However, if you want to build a meaningful dialogue, you listen to
what the others say and respond to that, and don't introduce racist
and offensive comments directed at the individuals.
If you want a flame fest, or admiration from groupies who would like
to be so offensive but don't have the clues or confidence, you can,
but it's unlikely to advance the dialogue, it usually becomes either
a flamefest or a monologue, entertaining or otherwise.
>If there's little mistakes, there would be little advances in human
>knowledges. Is human knowledge not derived from mistakes?
Disagree. Knowledge is not derived from mistakes, knowledge is advanced
when people develop an insight into an event, which usually will not
be a mistake. Everybody makes mistakes every day, often even after they
have been taught how to avoid the mistake.
>Don't you agree that Uncle Al can sometimes be helpful, useful and
>insightful?
Nobody has disagreed, however the balance between helpful and
unhelpful posts isn't one to one. My own perception is that one
deliberate, unjustified, vitriolic, and racist post can never be
balanced by any number of helpful posts.
>Why are there Uncle Al fans out there? Don't you wonder?
No. Every entertainer has fans, every bully has fans.
Nothing to do with the quality of contribution to a
discussion group, more the entertainment value they
provide.
>Moreover, is it not boring to be left unchalleged?
Insulting somebody is not challenging them. Bullies
challenge only those they believe they can beat.
>I don't mean to be rude, but is it not true that Uncle
>Al has shared more knowledges and thoughts to sci.chem
>than you?
You confuse quantity with quality. Some very valuable,
on-topic, insightful posts come from infrequent posters.
As I said at the beginning of this thread, the group was
valuable to me before Uncle Al, during Uncle Al, and
currently, after Uncle Al. YMMV. It was his choice
to leave, apparently under considerably less duress than he
has applied to others to leave. It is always his choice to
return.
Bruce Hamilton
Marvin Margoshes
<jmfb...@aol.com> wrote in message news:bal0ul$sla$8...@bob.news.rcn.net...
<snip>
> Uncle says outrageous things. When I started reading newsgroups, I
> disagreed with his approach completely. After three years of
> thinking about different, more effecacious methods, I merely
> disagreed. Now, after thinking even more, I can't disagree because
> I can't provide an alternate solution. He can read a post and
> figure out quickly that it's trash. He then can respond, not only
> with the comment that it's trash, but a pointer(s) to material
> IF the poster or readers got interested in learning. I can't do
> that. So, like I said, he provides a service here.
>
> /BAH
Unfortunately, he also has made outrageous criticisms of individuals based
on their ethnicity, sex, age, etc. He has made outrageous comments with
sexual innuendos to posters wo are apparently of pre-college age.
Sometimes, I think he has gotten totally out of control, and is ranting on
autmatic
He has often boasted about his high intelligence. If one is really smart,
he shouldn't have to remind others about it.
I haven't seen him claiming lately that an armed society is a safe society.
I guess the examples of Afghanistan and Iraq make that analogy pretty bad
just now.
RP Henry
"EdiSon" <chang_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:60c02aa9.03052...@posting.google.com...
> Don't you agree that Uncle Al can sometimes be helpful, useful and
> insightful?
Also inciteful.
jmfb...@aol.com
"Marvin Margoshes" <physnos...@cloud9.net> wrote:
>
><jmfb...@aol.com> wrote in message news:bal0ul$sla$8...@bob.news.rcn.net...
><snip>
>> Uncle says outrageous things. When I started reading newsgroups, I
>> disagreed with his approach completely. After three years of
>> thinking about different, more effecacious methods, I merely
>> disagreed. Now, after thinking even more, I can't disagree because
>> I can't provide an alternate solution. He can read a post and
>> figure out quickly that it's trash. He then can respond, not only
>> with the comment that it's trash, but a pointer(s) to material
>> IF the poster or readers got interested in learning. I can't do
>> that. So, like I said, he provides a service here.
>>
>> /BAH
>
>Unfortunately, he also has made outrageous criticisms of individuals based
>on their ethnicity, sex, age, etc.
Yup. Each statement requires a lot of thinking. Or haven't you
noticed this?
> .. He has made outrageous comments with
>sexual innuendos to posters who are apparently of pre-college age.
I count that as valuable. Somebody has to start putting callluses
on kids. I didn't know that one had to be in college in order
to know about the s-word. It's a hard cruel uncaring world out
there. It's time kids aren't pampered and encouraged to become
an idiot.
>Sometimes, I think he has gotten totally out of control, and is ranting on
>autmatic
Some days, he has. My hypothesis is that those times were in
between projects and completely bored and disgusted with the
quality of thinking in the world. I have my off-days, too,
and seriously consider just saying "fuck it" and quitting.
>He has often boasted about his high intelligence.
It's not a boast; it's a fact. If you haven't figured that one
out, you need to reread what he writes.
> .. If one is really smart,
>he shouldn't have to remind others about it.
You have never told a child "because I'm older" or "because I'm bigger".
>
>I haven't seen him claiming lately that an armed society is a safe
society.
>I guess the examples of Afghanistan and Iraq make that analogy pretty bad
>just now.
You're still not thinking. Haven't you wondered how the armed
general populace settled for viscious dictators?
Gregory L. Hansen
>In article <vcstc7d...@corp.supernews.com>,
>You're still not thinking. Haven't you wondered how the armed
>general populace settled for viscious dictators?
Viscous dictators unctuously oozing into power, but can barely keep their
grip...
--
"Is that plutonium on your gums?"
"Shut up and kiss me!"
-- Marge and Homer Simpson
jmfb...@aol.com
glha...@steel.ucs.indiana.edu (Gregory L. Hansen) wrote:
>In article <bansf3$r4s$2...@bob.news.rcn.net>, <jmfb...@aol.com> wrote:
>>In article <vcstc7d...@corp.supernews.com>,
>
>>You're still not thinking. Haven't you wondered how the armed
>>general populace settled for viscious dictators?
>
>Viscous dictators unctuously oozing into power, but can barely keep their
>grip...
Nice. :-) People do seem to be waxing poetic today.
Uncle Al
>
> I am affraid that most of his critics are left leaning, while UA is
> straight forward healthy conservative. He hurts your social beliefs,
> not chemical knowledge. As someone already said, he provokes willing
> to search further to find a solution. He's not giving info for free.
> His distaste for fools is well documented. If, as Bruce suggested, he
> applies his vitriolic tongue to smarter than himself (UA), then there
> may not be too many replies in the group.
> Anyway, UA - on behalf of some of your readers - please come back. I'd
> rather have you, than that virtuoso from occupied teritories.
Screw sci.chem and Dr. Schultz on his high horse. He is a respected
academic and responsible for his words. Let Shultz run the hour/day
looking up legitimate inquiries, or pull the answers out of his head
real time. To criticize is to volunteer. Schultz has posted at length
about the presumed deficiencies of my technical input. The valve is
shut and padlocked.
I've stopped by every now and again. Shultz is worthless as a
concerned input. He is incapable of putting down garbage posters. He
isn't nearly good enough or interested enough to help those with
legitimate need. You wished for it, you got it. Certainly the
majority opinion supports my departure.
Of course, the majority are acknowledged trolling morons like Vajk.
Somebody else can keep house, blowing out the dust and feeding the
cat. I turn my attention to other interests. It is a busy time.
Uncle Al is not a Liberal. He does not believe HIV is spread by lack
of funding or that the poor have a right to eat. Uncle Al is a
Conservative. He does believe that personal responsibility is the
coin of the realm. sci.chem has undergone a first order transition
from Conservative to Liberal. Demand that Dr. Schultz help you and
promote order because it is your right.
Uncle Al says, "The only enforceable right issues from the muzzle of a
gun. The only safe place is behind the trigger."
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" The Net!
Bill Vajk
> Screw sci.chem and Dr. Schultz on his high horse. He is a respected
> academic and responsible for his words. Let Shultz run the hour/day
> looking up legitimate inquiries, or pull the answers out of his head
> real time. To criticize is to volunteer. Schultz has posted at length
> about the presumed deficiencies of my technical input. The valve is
> shut and padlocked.
I'd far rather be lacking answers than accept them attached to a
price of personal abuse attending Schwartz' Brooklyn stickball
gang version of what passes for assistance. The plain fact of
the matter is that whatever little help Schwartz actually
affords can be better done by someone else without all the
overhead. There's always the library. There are always civilized
individuals available with answers who aren't participating on
usenet. It isn't even critical that all answers be found here.
> I've stopped by every now and again. Shultz is worthless as a
> concerned input. He is incapable of putting down garbage posters.
Self appointed hero Schwartz thinks he is directed by God
to fill that job. If Schwartz is not actively participating
in sci.chem then what's it to him what others are doing?
You know what, Al, if someone wants *your* help they can
probably figure a way to ask you directly. The fact is they
probably wouldn't because they'd expect more abuse than
answer. What's your flameless answer ratio, maybe 1%?
> He isn't nearly good enough or interested enough to help
> those with legitimate need.
You never have been, Al. Besides, even if you are right,
what business is it of yours? I would expect your alleged
expert assistance to be replaced by someone less abusive
once the niche is openly available without you driving
half the science interest away with your hate filled
venom. Right now I expect potential volunteers to remain
gun-shy till they're sure you'll stay away.
> You wished for it, you got it. Certainly the
> majority opinion supports my departure.
Apparently a large majority, much of it which has been
silent rather than cause your eruptions.
> Of course, the majority are acknowledged trolling morons like Vajk.
Acknowledged? LOL http://w0rli.home.att.net/youare.swf
I really got to Schwartz then, though not quite as intended. Can't
win every time......
He needs to figure out why he's dumped on by so many intelligent
folks. His conduct is *not* justifiable under any circumstances.
He has, here, acknowledged that he stands opposed to the majority.
Well heck, we knew that already, that's not news! Now he needs
to realize that the majority is right and he's wrong.
If I'm such a moron (to say nothing of the majority I'm lumped
in with) why would Schwartz be concerned about anything I've
said or done? The lunatic street person curses those who
don't given them money for a drink. No cause for concern. Since
Schwartz *is* concerned I've touched on something important to
him and he is unable to simply dismiss what I've said. Work on
it, Al. Even you might eventually get what this has been about.
If you don't, print out this thread and show it to your lawyer
wife. Perhaps she can explain it in terms you might finally
understand.
> Somebody else can keep house, blowing out the dust and feeding
> the cat.
Oh gee, you mean the world doesn't have to revolve around Al?
>I turn my attention to other interests. It is a busy time.
Good. You weren't doing much good here anyway. The cost/benefit
ratio relating to your participation was abysmal.
> Uncle Al is not a Liberal. He does not believe HIV is spread by lack
> of funding or that the poor have a right to eat. Uncle Al is a
> Conservative.
No he's not. He's just another maniac run amok. Not a single
sane conservative I have known would welcome you into the
fold.
> He does believe that personal responsibility is the
> coin of the realm.
Until it comes home to roost. Al is the one responsible
for so much contention and dislike. Heck, even the Mensa
moderators revoked your privileges for cause after you
had been warned your conduct was unacceptable and you
persisted. I suppose they were, in your opinion, trolls
as well?
> sci.chem has undergone a first order transition from Conservative
> to Liberal. Demand that Dr. Schultz help you and promote order
> because it is your right.
Let's just see how this works.
If everyone is personally responsible as Al says (above) he
believes, then there is no need for a "higher authority"
like Schwartz or Schultz to promote order for the stated
reasons. It is simply everyone's responsibility, no? Well
that's what cooperative anarchy is all about, and that's
what usenet is. So there's no legitimate place for wannabe
tyrant Al Schwartz (see my earlier post in this thread
addressing this issue) to run things. So I'm really glad
Al helped clear up precisely what he's about.
Thus the "some animals are more equal than others" becomes
obvious when one takes more than a microsecond to think
about what Schwartz is promoting; his tyranny in the guise
of "promoting order." That's good enough to qualify Schwartz
a new member of the Idiots Parade.
> Uncle Al says, "The only enforceable right issues from
> the muzzle of a gun. The only safe place is behind
> the trigger."
Actually this grows out of the adage I've been promoting
on usenet for years, that one cannot continue to own
something that the individual is either unable or unwilling
to protect. The gun is necessary as a rule only where common
sense does not prevail, which is the Al Schwartz world.
If unabomber hadn't been caught, Schwartz would have made
a really good suspect with, IMO, somewhat similar paranoid
psychotic ramblings exuding. And they appear to me to be
becoming more disjointed as time goes on.
Anyway, I've made my points. Sci.* has been a cesspit for
some time now. I gave several newsgroups a shake and found
them to cost more in time and effort than they're worth to
me. The original work I have undertaken is unique and there's
nothing in these newsgroups that's provided any insight to
help with the current set of hurdles, so while it is likely
I'll look in on sci.* from time to time it isn't very likely
I'll involve myself further in these high overhead groups.
But then, over time things are known to change, so I make
a practice of not burning bridges unnecessarily.
Repeating Decimal
Uncl...@hate.spam.net wrote on 5/24/03 11:04 AM:
> Uncle Al says, "The only enforceable right issues from the muzzle of a
> gun. The only safe place is behind the trigger."
Only if you have the only gun or the others are lousy shots.
Bill
Richard Schultz
: Yup. He admits it when he is. He also tries to not make
: the same mistakes again.
To the best of my knowledge, he has never admitted to having made a
mistake in the first place.
-----
Richard Schultz sch...@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"It is terrible to die of thirst in the ocean. Do you have to salt your
truth so heavily that it does not even quench thirst any more?"
Richard Schultz
: Anyway, UA - on behalf of some of your readers - please come back. I'd
: rather have you, than that virtuoso from occupied teritories.
Why don't you newgroup "alt.fan.uncle-al"? I promise you, I would never
post to such a newsgroup.
-----
Richard Schultz sch...@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"You don't even have a clue about which clue you're missing."
Richard Schultz
: Screw sci.chem and Dr. Schultz on his high horse. He is a respected
: academic and responsible for his words. Let Shultz run the hour/day
: looking up legitimate inquiries, or pull the answers out of his head
: real time. To criticize is to volunteer. Schultz has posted at length
: about the presumed deficiencies of my technical input. The valve is
: shut and padlocked.
I have pointed out elementary errors that you have made -- and you refuse
to admit that you made them, let alone correct them. I have caught you
in deliberate lies -- and you refuse to provide any source that might
reduce the crime from "lying" to "being easily misled," refuse to apologize
or admit to them, and compound the lies by listing web sites that do not
support your claims as if they did.
Unlike Uncle Al, I am not a self-proclaimed genius (or a genius of any sort).
I'm a fairly ordinary guy who happens to have some training in chemistry,
and a belief that a certain fundamental honesty is essential not only to
anyone who wants to be a scientist, but to anyone who wants to be considered
a moral human being. I have no doubt that Uncle Al's philosophy, namely,
that honesty is for suckers, is more practical -- certainly among people such
as Uncle Al who have an emotional age of approximately six. That is why
I am more than willing to let his fans have him.
-----
Richard Schultz sch...@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
Richard Schultz
Whatever you guys do, please make sure that Uncle Al never sees
Angewandte Chemie (International Edition in English) vol. 42 (2003),
pp 2179-2181.
I wouldn't want him to have to reconsider his previously held high opinion
of that journal.
-----
Richard Schultz sch...@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"an optimist is a guy/ that has never had/ much experience"
Richard Schultz
: You behave just like Uncle Al himself.
You, sir, are either blind or an idiot, or possibly both.
: Have you never been wrong?
Of course I have been. But when my errors are demonstrated to me, I
acknowledge them. In the incident I mentioned, Uncle Al never admitted
that he had made a high-school chemistry level mistake -- even after the
literature values that proved the error were provided to him.
: Don't you agree that Uncle Al can sometimes be helpful, useful and
: insightful?
As I said, you are either blind or an idiot, since I have posted on
several occasions my opinion on the matter, which is that he knows a lot
about many subjects, but that the usefulness of this knowledge is frequently
cancelled out by the significant percentage of the time that he posts
erroneous information without the ability to retract the errors when they
are called to his attention.
: Why are there Uncle Al fans out there? Don't you wonder?
There are a lot of idiots in the world.
-----
Richard Schultz sch...@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
Dale Trynor
Richard Schultz wrote:
> In sci.chem jmfb...@aol.com wrote:
>
> : Yup. He admits it when he is. He also tries to not make
> : the same mistakes again.
>
> To the best of my knowledge, he has never admitted to having made a
> mistake in the first place.
Dale Trynor wrote:
He did for me once when discussing the palladium content of titanium.
jmfb...@aol.com
sch...@mail.biu.ack.il (Richard Schultz) wrote:
>In sci.chem jmfb...@aol.com wrote:
>
>: Yup. He admits it when he is. He also tries to not make
>: the same mistakes again.
>
>To the best of my knowledge, he has never admitted to having made a
>mistake in the first place.
Then you must not have had a discussion higher than kindergarten level
with him.
EdiSon
Dear Uncle Al, whatever people say, i want you to know that your posts
have contributed very constructively to my mind and transformed my
life over the past years. I've learnt so much about myself and my own
stupidity that i can never thank you enough for it. Your openness and
generosity may not satisfy everyone's taste, but it's very hard to
come by in the world that drips with lies and hypocricy. It's been a
blessing to have known you here. Viva! Uncle Al ^0^)'...
Darren Rhodes
"Richard Schultz" <sch...@mail.biu.ack.il> wrote in message
news:bapv4q$rpb$4...@news.iucc.ac.il...
Do you still own the copyright to your own work? Darren.
Richard Schultz
: In article <bapug8$rpb$1...@news.iucc.ac.il>,
:>: Yup. He admits it when he is. He also tries to not make
:>: the same mistakes again.
:>To the best of my knowledge, he has never admitted to having made a
:>mistake in the first place.
: Then you must not have had a discussion higher than kindergarten level
: with him.
Do you consider thermodynamics to be "kindergarten level"? What about
second-order effects in NMR spectra? Or better yet, why not provide
a reference to an article in which he admits to having made a mistake?
-----
Richard Schultz sch...@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
Richard Schultz
: Do you still own the copyright to your own work? Darren.
I'm not sure what you mean by that. For most scientific journals, as a
condition of publication, the journal requires the author of the paper
to transfer the copyright to the journal's publisher.
-----
Richard Schultz sch...@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"Where's the Kaboom? There's supposed to be a big Kaboom!"
Richard Schultz
: My Mum used to say, it's better to loose with a wise man, that to
: find (gain) with a fool.
Leaving aside your errors about my age and political beliefs, and your
fundamental cowardice, I would suggest that your Mum's time might have
been better spent seeing to it that you learned how to spell.
Darren Rhodes
What would I mean other than would you understood by answering the question
as you did? Darren.
Mohammed Farooq
Dr. Schultz
You seem to be a humble man. Why are you wasting so much of your
energy and time on Uncle Al.
EdiSon
Nah~ from what i read so far, you seem more to be jealous of Uncle
Al's
intelligence, generousity and most of all, popularity. Your acadmic
ego got bruised, so you exaggerate and spray all that shit on him. You
suck man, academic dickhead!
EdiSon
> Whatever you guys do, please make sure that Uncle Al never sees
> Angewandte Chemie (International Edition in English) vol. 42 (2003),
> pp 2179-2181.
> I wouldn't want him to have to reconsider his previously held high opinion
> of that journal.
What a coward and pretentious way of saying it.
If you have balls, shoot it directly to Uncle Al.
Bob Sullivan
> Al's
> intelligence, generousity and most of all, popularity. Your acadmic
> ego got bruised, so you exaggerate and spray all that shit on him. You
> suck man, academic dickhead!
Uncle Al is following his usual MO. When the going gets tough, Uncle Al
splits.
Ask Uncle Al about the time he called down the wrath of "Raoul
Xemblinosky III" et al on sci.chem. The resulting demonstration of
Usenet Performance Art made the newsgroup unusable for weeks and poor
old Al was forced to run for the hills with his tail between his legs.
Looks like Archie the Pu wins the Usenet Battle of the Titans by default
now that Uncle Al is a no-show.
Josh Halpern
Darren Rhodes wrote:
>"Richard Schultz" <sch...@mail.biu.ack.il> wrote
>
>
>>In sci.chem Darren Rhodes <darren....@btopenworld.com> wrote:
>>: Do you still own the copyright to your own work? Darren.
>>I'm not sure what you mean by that. For most scientific journals, as a
>>condition of publication, the journal requires the author of the paper
>>to transfer the copyright to the journal's publisher.
>>
>>
>What would I mean other than would you understood by answering
>the question as you did? Darren.
>
The situation may change. Richard stated what the
standard condition has been for many years.
You may know this, but for those who don't: Authors usually
got or bought about 100 printed copies when their paper
was published. People sent postcards asking for
a copy, and one was mailed one off. There
are seldom more that 100 people interested in any scientific
paper. This was standard, until copying became better (about
1970 or so) and cheaper (say under 0.05 U$/copy) at
which time the cost of the postcard stamp exceeded the
cost of copying, let alone the return postage. At
that point the only people asking for reprints were
from countries where copying was restricted and
monitored (various dictatorships, mostly communist)
or from third world countries where the postage was
cheap, but copying expensive. Thus, there was no
value to the authors to holding copyright.
Today the situation is changing because many people and
many organizations want to post their work on the net,
a very low cost option. Strictly speaking this is not
allowed by the terms of most copyright transfer.
Folk do want to change at least that condition of
the transfer.
josh halpern
>
>
>
EdiSon
> Whatever you guys do, please make sure that Uncle Al never sees
>
> Angewandte Chemie (International Edition in English) vol. 42 (2003),
> pp 2179-2181.
>
> I wouldn't want him to have to reconsider his previously held high opinion
> of that journal.
What a coward and pretentious way of saying it!
EdiSon
> Whatever you guys do, please make sure that Uncle Al never sees
>
> Angewandte Chemie (International Edition in English) vol. 42 (2003),
> pp 2179-2181.
>
> I wouldn't want him to have to reconsider his previously held high opinion
> of that journal.
What a coward and pretentious way of saying it!
EdiSon
> Whatever you guys do, please make sure that Uncle Al never sees
>
> Angewandte Chemie (International Edition in English) vol. 42 (2003),
> pp 2179-2181.
>
> I wouldn't want him to have to reconsider his previously held high opinion
> of that journal.
What a coward and pretentions way of saying it!
Bob Sullivan
Uncle Al hides behind a fake e-mail address, but he's cowering in
sci.physics. He'll see it there.
Greg Neill
news:%M9Aa.10975$UJ5.2...@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
> Uncle Al hides behind a fake e-mail address, but he's cowering in
> sci.physics. He'll see it there.
>
Why to you say that? It's a trivial matter to send
him e-mail; he gives a web page link on every post,
and his e-mail address is given there.
Bob Sullivan
"Greg Neill" <gnei...@OVE.THIS.netcom.ca> wrote in message
news:G0aAa.1044$ik4....@news20.bellglobal.com...
Well, perhaps a little less than trivial. I do understand that it is
possible to locate an e-mail from his website, but he does discourage
e-mail from Usenet users by using a fake Usenet e-mail addy.
You could have posted Uncle Al's real e-mail addy here and received his
undying gratitude. Right?
Uncle Al never holds back in publicly posting his spews. Why shouldn't
he expect the same. Why should anyone care about Uncle Al's feelings
when he goes out of the way to be offensive to others?
dlzc@aol.com (formerly)
"Bob Sullivan" <hm_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bsbAa.11431$UJ5.2...@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
...
> Uncle Al never holds back in publicly posting his spews. Why shouldn't
> he expect the same. Why should anyone care about Uncle Al's feelings
> when he goes out of the way to be offensive to others?
What ye sew, so shall ye reap. He has (on occasion) also gone out of his
way to provide information from his stores. We are all mixed bags. See if
you can find it in your heart to forgive those who occasionally
(frequently) can't stand humanity. Wounded egos make bad company.
David A. Smith
EdiSon
Hey! Richie Scum, since you like flaunting quotes at the end of every
shit you wrote, here is one right up to your ar$^!
"In Science you don't need to be polite, you only have to be right."
Got problem with it? Die first then Winston Churchill would sure kick
your ass.
Greg Neill
>
> "Greg Neill" <gnei...@OVE.THIS.netcom.ca> wrote in message
> news:G0aAa.1044$ik4....@news20.bellglobal.com...
> > "Bob Sullivan" <hm_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:%M9Aa.10975$UJ5.2...@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >
> > >
> > > Uncle Al hides behind a fake e-mail address, but he's cowering in
> > > sci.physics. He'll see it there.
> > >
> >
> > Why to you say that? It's a trivial matter to send
> > him e-mail; he gives a web page link on every post,
> > and his e-mail address is given there.
> >
> >
>
>
> Well, perhaps a little less than trivial. I do understand that it is
> possible to locate an e-mail from his website, but he does discourage
> e-mail from Usenet users by using a fake Usenet e-mail addy.
You mean he discourages spam, often sent by spam-bots that
harvest e-mail addresses from usenet posts. If you have
to think a tad before you send the e-mail, it probably does
everyone some good.
>
> You could have posted Uncle Al's real e-mail addy here and received his
> undying gratitude. Right?
No. See above.
>
> Uncle Al never holds back in publicly posting his spews. Why shouldn't
> he expect the same. Why should anyone care about Uncle Al's feelings
> when he goes out of the way to be offensive to others?
Hey, feel free to take him on mano a mano in a free-wheeling
insult fest, battle of wits, or IQ test match. Be prepared
to give as well as get. No one's immune here.
Uncle Al
Awwww... You will be happy to note that Uncle Al's column in the July
Orange County Mensa "Oracle," 'Jawbone of an Ass," will be 770 words
on female menses and not a drop of menstrual wisdom in any of it. It
has already shot soft drink out of a reader's nose.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" The Net!
Bob Sullivan
> Hey, feel free to take him on mano a mano in a free-wheeling
> insult fest, battle of wits, or IQ test match. Be prepared
> to give as well as get. No one's immune here.
You're missing the point. Usenet would be better off with less of Uncle
Al's abusive behavior. Al is a bitter homunculus who gets his jollies
by beating up on those he believes to be his inferiors. Bloodying Uncle
Al's nose would accomplish no more than Al's pointless vendetta against
Archie the Pu.
Uncle Al has his toadies who delight in seeing him beat up on the
village idiots. I'm not one of them.
Greg Neill
>
> "Greg Neill" <gnei...@OVE.THIS.netcom.ca> wrote in message
> news:3mcAa.1117$ik4....@news20.bellglobal.com...
> > Hey, feel free to take him on mano a mano in a free-wheeling
> > insult fest, battle of wits, or IQ test match. Be prepared
> > to give as well as get. No one's immune here.
>
>
> You're missing the point. Usenet would be better off with less of Uncle
> Al's abusive behavior. Al is a bitter homunculus who gets his jollies
> by beating up on those he believes to be his inferiors. Bloodying Uncle
> Al's nose would accomplish no more than Al's pointless vendetta against
> Archie the Pu.
Ah, the Kinder, Gentler usenet Theory. Good luck with that.
EdiSon
> EdiSon wrote:
> > Dear Uncle Al, whatever people say, i want you to know that your posts
> > have contributed very constructively to my mind and transformed my
> > life over the past years. I've learnt so much about myself and my own
> > stupidity that i can never thank you enough for it. Your openness and
> > generosity may not satisfy everyone's taste, but it's very hard to
> > come by in the world that drips with lies and hypocricy. It's been a
> > blessing to have known you here. Viva! Uncle Al ^0^)'...
>
> Awwww... You will be happy to note that Uncle Al's column in the July
> Orange County Mensa "Oracle," 'Jawbone of an Ass," will be 770 words
> on female menses and not a drop of menstrual wisdom in any of it. It
> has already shot soft drink out of a reader's nose.
female menses and drops of menstrual wisdom,,, err,, u sound gay ~_~)'
Rusty Shackleford
Oh Oh. Spelling Nazi alert! ahoooooooga ahooooooooga
--
Rusty Shackleford
'What ever happens, happens necessarily'
msha...@NOSPAMrglobal.net
Remove NOSPAM from E-mail address to reply.
Richard Schultz
: Hey! Richie Scum, since you like flaunting quotes at the end of every
: shit you wrote, here is one right up to your ar$^!
<plonk>
-----
Richard Schultz sch...@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"Apparently, you take me for a complete fool."
"Yeah -- more or less."
Bob & Ray, "Garish Summit"
Darren Rhodes
"Josh Halpern" <j.ha...@incoming.verizon.net> wrote in message
news:3ED12EA9...@incoming.verizon.net...
Aren't there internet journals about that allow the authors to keep their
copyright? Darren.
jmfb...@aol.com
sch...@mail.biu.ack.il (Richard Schultz) wrote:
>In sci.chem jmfb...@aol.com wrote:
>: In article <bapug8$rpb$1...@news.iucc.ac.il>,
>: sch...@mail.biu.ack.il (Richard Schultz) wrote:
>:>In sci.chem jmfb...@aol.com wrote:
>
>:>: Yup. He admits it when he is. He also tries to not make
>:>: the same mistakes again.
>
>:>To the best of my knowledge, he has never admitted to having made a
>:>mistake in the first place.
>
>: Then you must not have had a discussion higher than kindergarten level
>: with him.
>
>Do you consider thermodynamics to be "kindergarten level"? What about
>second-order effects in NMR spectra? Or better yet, why not provide
>a reference to an article in which he admits to having made a mistake?
I'm reading these posts in sci.physics. You made the statement that
Uncle has "never admitted" something. Since he has here in this
group, I have to assume that your discussions didn't get out of
basic level knowledge. The fact that you declare "never" told me
that you couldn't be well-versed in science. That's my data.
/BAH
Bob Sullivan
>
> Ah, the Kinder, Gentler usenet Theory. Good luck with that.
>
Don't think Uncle Al is capable of being trained not to poop in the
nest, huh?
Richard Schultz
: I'm reading these posts in sci.physics.
I am posting and reading in sci.chem.
: You made the statement that Uncle has "never admitted" something.
He has, to my knowledge, never admitted to having made an error -- at least
not to any of the numerous errors that I have caught.
: Since he has here in this group, I have to assume that your discussions
: didn't get out of basic level knowledge.
That doesn't follow at all. In fact, a person of normal or nearly normal
intelligence might conjecture that Uncle Al is more likely to err in an
advanced subject than in an elementary one.
: The fact that you declare "never" told me
: that you couldn't be well-versed in science. That's my data.
Your lack of knowledge of the dictionary meaning of "never" indicates
that you are more or less totally clueless. That's my data.
-----
Richard Schultz sch...@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
Richard Henry
> In sci.chem jmfb...@aol.com wrote:
>
> : I'm reading these posts in sci.physics.
>
> I am posting and reading in sci.chem.
>
> : You made the statement that Uncle has "never admitted" something.
>
> He has, to my knowledge, never admitted to having made an error -- at
least
> not to any of the numerous errors that I have caught.
I agree that that is a more logical way to put it.
Perhaps you could provide a few links to discussions in which you pointed
out an error, and Uncle Al failed to submit. My google search for error
Uncle Al author: Richard Schultz yielded only two threads before this one,
neither of which was very illuminating.
Greg Neill
> In sci.chem jmfb...@aol.com wrote:
>
> : Yup. He admits it when he is. He also tries to not make
> : the same mistakes again.
>
> To the best of my knowledge, he has never admitted to having made a
> mistake in the first place.
Your knowledge is thus demonstrably limited.
John Sefton
he's a rectumphil
Bill Vajk
> In sci.chem jmfb...@aol.com wrote:
> : Then you must not have had a discussion higher than kindergarten level
> : with him.
> Do you consider thermodynamics to be "kindergarten level"? What about
> second-order effects in NMR spectra? Or better yet, why not provide
> a reference to an article in which he admits to having made a mistake?
You'll find that no retractions or corrections of any
significance are in evidence anywhere. It took several
corrections of his views on Coriolis Effect before he
finally researched a little and changed his tune without
ever once acknowledging his prior errors. The most famous
of these was his repeated allegation that track wear on
east-west railway lines is uneven because of Coriolis
Effect. It isn't. Next was his claim in sci.physics.research
that aircraft experience a measurably different fuel
consumption flying east than west. That turned out to
be ~1%, a number which disappears subsumed by other
inefficiencies. Great circle routing also alters the
real outcome.
All the disputes and flame wars concerning Al Schwartz
boil down to a simple enough an essence; Schwartz has
an easy time memorizing by rote but there's little to no
real depth to his knowledge. If someone took the time to
review his errors, and they provide a bounty for study,
one would find that often the facts are related but
badly misunderstood and/or misinterpreted.
IMO the reason this "chemist" hangs around the physics
groups so much, even to the exclusion of sci.chem
these days, is because the participants there are
easier to dazzle with bullshit. Indeed the
sci.physics newsgroup would more appropriately
be named sci.physics.scifi, with Al the lead writer.
He should perhaps portray himself as a Klingon?
His following is gathered from those who think he
knows more than they do. In a way they're right,
while in general they don't realize that a command
of facts misapplied is far worse than not knowing
facts in the first place. A little knowledge is
dangerous.
Even worse, they believe that engaging someone in a
flame war elevates them to the level of the individual
they're arguing with. That's truly a sad state of
affairs.
Where Al himself falls silent, his acolytes step in
and continue disruptions on his behalf. A little
release now and again is to be expected. Schwartz
and his admiring troupe are another matter altogether.