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EINSTEINIANA: ANYTHING GOES
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Pentcho Valev
Jan 27, 2012, 11:02:10 AM1/27/12
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Truth (light accelerates in a gravitational field like cannonballs):
http://sethi.lamar.edu/bahrim-cristian/Courses/PHYS4480/4480-PROBLEMS/optics-gravit-lens_PPT.pdf
Dr. Cristian Bahrim: "If we accept the principle of equivalence, we
must also accept that light falls in a gravitational field with the
same acceleration as material bodies."
Camouflage (it is true but irrelevant that the speed of light "stays
the same as measured by someone falling into the well and watching it
pass by"):
http://www.astronomycafe.net/qadir/q1635.html
Question: "When a photon falls in a gravitational well, does its speed
exceed 'c'?" Dr. Sten Odenwald: "No. The frequency of the light just
increases or decreases depending on where you are located. The 'local'
speed stays the same as measured by someone falling into the well and
watching it pass by. This is the only observer who is in what
relativity would consider a 'proper rest frame'."
Blatant lie (light falls but does not accelerate in a gravitational
field):
http://www.amazon.com/Why-Does-mc2-Should-Care/dp/0306817586
Why Does E=mc2?: (And Why Should We Care?), Brian Cox, Jeff Forshaw,
p. 236: "If the light falls in strict accord with the principle of
equivalence, then, as it falls, its energy should increase by exactly
the same fraction that it increases for any other thing we could
imagine dropping. We need to know what happens to the light as it
gains energy. In other words, what can Pound and Rebka expect to see
at the bottom of their laboratory when the dropped light arrives?
There is only one way for the light to increase its energy. We know
that it cannot speed up, because it is already traveling at the
universal speed limit, but it can increase its frequency."
Of all the Einsteinians all over the world not one could think of a
reason why truth, lie and camouflage should not be taught
simultaneously.
Pentcho Valev
pva...@yahoo.com
http://sethi.lamar.edu/bahrim-cristian/Courses/PHYS4480/4480-PROBLEMS/optics-gravit-lens_PPT.pdf
Dr. Cristian Bahrim: "If we accept the principle of equivalence, we
must also accept that light falls in a gravitational field with the
same acceleration as material bodies."
Camouflage (it is true but irrelevant that the speed of light "stays
the same as measured by someone falling into the well and watching it
pass by"):
http://www.astronomycafe.net/qadir/q1635.html
Question: "When a photon falls in a gravitational well, does its speed
exceed 'c'?" Dr. Sten Odenwald: "No. The frequency of the light just
increases or decreases depending on where you are located. The 'local'
speed stays the same as measured by someone falling into the well and
watching it pass by. This is the only observer who is in what
relativity would consider a 'proper rest frame'."
Blatant lie (light falls but does not accelerate in a gravitational
field):
http://www.amazon.com/Why-Does-mc2-Should-Care/dp/0306817586
Why Does E=mc2?: (And Why Should We Care?), Brian Cox, Jeff Forshaw,
p. 236: "If the light falls in strict accord with the principle of
equivalence, then, as it falls, its energy should increase by exactly
the same fraction that it increases for any other thing we could
imagine dropping. We need to know what happens to the light as it
gains energy. In other words, what can Pound and Rebka expect to see
at the bottom of their laboratory when the dropped light arrives?
There is only one way for the light to increase its energy. We know
that it cannot speed up, because it is already traveling at the
universal speed limit, but it can increase its frequency."
Of all the Einsteinians all over the world not one could think of a
reason why truth, lie and camouflage should not be taught
simultaneously.
Pentcho Valev
pva...@yahoo.com
Pentcho Valev
Jan 27, 2012, 5:00:26 PM1/27/12
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The top of a tower of height h emits light towards an observer on the
ground. In a unit time, the number of wavecrests which reach the
observer are those in a distance:
c' = Lf' = Lf(1+gh/c^2) = c(1+gh/c^2)
where c' is the final speed of the light (relative to the observer), L
is the wavelength, f' is the frequency as measured by the observer, f
is the frequency as measured by the source and c is the initial speed
of the light (relative to the source). The equation f'=f(1+gh/c^2) has
been confirmed by the Pound-Rebka experiment.
The speed of light varies with the gravitational potential in
accordance with Newton's emission theory of light.
Pentcho Valev
pva...@yahoo.com
ground. In a unit time, the number of wavecrests which reach the
observer are those in a distance:
c' = Lf' = Lf(1+gh/c^2) = c(1+gh/c^2)
where c' is the final speed of the light (relative to the observer), L
is the wavelength, f' is the frequency as measured by the observer, f
is the frequency as measured by the source and c is the initial speed
of the light (relative to the source). The equation f'=f(1+gh/c^2) has
been confirmed by the Pound-Rebka experiment.
The speed of light varies with the gravitational potential in
accordance with Newton's emission theory of light.
Pentcho Valev
pva...@yahoo.com
Pentcho Valev
Jan 29, 2012, 9:18:11 AM1/29/12
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Einstein shows how the speed of light varies with the gravitational
potential:
http://www.relativitybook.com/resources/Einstein_gravity.html
Albert Einstein: "If we call the velocity of light at the origin of co-
ordinates c0, then the velocity of light c at a place with the
gravitation potential phi will be given by the relation c=c0(1+phi/
c^2)."
Einsteiniana's zombies sing "Divine Einstein" and "Yes we all believe
in relativity, relativity, relativity". This is "perfectly valid and
makes good physical sense", explains Steve Carlip, "but a more modern
interpretation is that the speed of light is constant in general
relativity":
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SpeedOfLight/speed_of_light.html
Steve Carlip: "Einstein went on to discover a more general theory of
relativity which explained gravity in terms of curved spacetime, and
he talked about the speed of light changing in this new theory. In the
1920 book "Relativity: the special and general theory" he wrote:
"...according to the general theory of relativity, the law of the
constancy of the velocity of light in vacuo, which constitutes one of
the two fundamental assumptions in the special theory of relativity
[...] cannot claim any unlimited validity. A curvature of rays of
light can only take place when the velocity of propagation of light
varies with position." Since Einstein talks of velocity (a vector
quantity: speed with direction) rather than speed alone, it is not
clear that he meant the speed will change, but the reference to
special relativity suggests that he did mean so. This interpretation
is perfectly valid and makes good physical sense, but a more modern
interpretation is that the speed of light is constant in general
relativity."
Einsteiniana's zombies know nothing more consistent than Steve
Carlip's explanation. The ecstasy gets uncontrollable - zombies tumble
to the floor, start tearing their clothes and go into convulsions.
Pentcho Valev
pva...@yahoo.com
potential:
http://www.relativitybook.com/resources/Einstein_gravity.html
Albert Einstein: "If we call the velocity of light at the origin of co-
ordinates c0, then the velocity of light c at a place with the
gravitation potential phi will be given by the relation c=c0(1+phi/
c^2)."
Einsteiniana's zombies sing "Divine Einstein" and "Yes we all believe
in relativity, relativity, relativity". This is "perfectly valid and
makes good physical sense", explains Steve Carlip, "but a more modern
interpretation is that the speed of light is constant in general
relativity":
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SpeedOfLight/speed_of_light.html
Steve Carlip: "Einstein went on to discover a more general theory of
relativity which explained gravity in terms of curved spacetime, and
he talked about the speed of light changing in this new theory. In the
1920 book "Relativity: the special and general theory" he wrote:
"...according to the general theory of relativity, the law of the
constancy of the velocity of light in vacuo, which constitutes one of
the two fundamental assumptions in the special theory of relativity
[...] cannot claim any unlimited validity. A curvature of rays of
light can only take place when the velocity of propagation of light
varies with position." Since Einstein talks of velocity (a vector
quantity: speed with direction) rather than speed alone, it is not
clear that he meant the speed will change, but the reference to
special relativity suggests that he did mean so. This interpretation
is perfectly valid and makes good physical sense, but a more modern
interpretation is that the speed of light is constant in general
relativity."
Einsteiniana's zombies know nothing more consistent than Steve
Carlip's explanation. The ecstasy gets uncontrollable - zombies tumble
to the floor, start tearing their clothes and go into convulsions.
Pentcho Valev
pva...@yahoo.com
Tonico
Jan 29, 2012, 9:21:21 AM1/29/12
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On Jan 29, 4:18 pm, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Einstein shows how the speed of light varies with the gravitational
> potential:
>
> http://www.relativitybook.com/resources/Einstein_gravity.html
> Albert Einstein: "If we call the velocity of light at the origin of co-
> ordinates c0, then the velocity of light c at a place with the
> gravitation potential phi will be given by the relation c=c0(1+phi/
> c^2)."
>
> Einsteiniana's zombies sing "Divine Einstein" and "Yes we all believe
> in relativity, relativity, relativity". This is "perfectly valid and
> makes good physical sense", explains Steve Carlip, "but a more modern
> interpretation is that the speed of light is constant in general
> relativity":
>
> http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SpeedOfLight/speed_o...
> Einstein shows how the speed of light varies with the gravitational
> potential:
>
> http://www.relativitybook.com/resources/Einstein_gravity.html
> Albert Einstein: "If we call the velocity of light at the origin of co-
> ordinates c0, then the velocity of light c at a place with the
> gravitation potential phi will be given by the relation c=c0(1+phi/
> c^2)."
>
> Einsteiniana's zombies sing "Divine Einstein" and "Yes we all believe
> in relativity, relativity, relativity". This is "perfectly valid and
> makes good physical sense", explains Steve Carlip, "but a more modern
> interpretation is that the speed of light is constant in general
> relativity":
>
> Steve Carlip: "Einstein went on to discover a more general theory of
> relativity which explained gravity in terms of curved spacetime, and
> he talked about the speed of light changing in this new theory. In the
> 1920 book "Relativity: the special and general theory" he wrote:
> "...according to the general theory of relativity, the law of the
> constancy of the velocity of light in vacuo, which constitutes one of
> the two fundamental assumptions in the special theory of relativity
> [...] cannot claim any unlimited validity. A curvature of rays of
> light can only take place when the velocity of propagation of light
> varies with position." Since Einstein talks of velocity (a vector
> quantity: speed with direction) rather than speed alone, it is not
> clear that he meant the speed will change, but the reference to
> special relativity suggests that he did mean so. This interpretation
> is perfectly valid and makes good physical sense, but a more modern
> interpretation is that the speed of light is constant in general
> relativity."
>
> Einsteiniana's zombies know nothing more consistent than Steve
> Carlip's explanation. The ecstasy gets uncontrollable - zombies tumble
> to the floor, start tearing their clothes and go into convulsions.
>
> Pentcho Valev
> pva...@yahoo.com
Idiot
> relativity which explained gravity in terms of curved spacetime, and
> he talked about the speed of light changing in this new theory. In the
> 1920 book "Relativity: the special and general theory" he wrote:
> "...according to the general theory of relativity, the law of the
> constancy of the velocity of light in vacuo, which constitutes one of
> the two fundamental assumptions in the special theory of relativity
> [...] cannot claim any unlimited validity. A curvature of rays of
> light can only take place when the velocity of propagation of light
> varies with position." Since Einstein talks of velocity (a vector
> quantity: speed with direction) rather than speed alone, it is not
> clear that he meant the speed will change, but the reference to
> special relativity suggests that he did mean so. This interpretation
> is perfectly valid and makes good physical sense, but a more modern
> interpretation is that the speed of light is constant in general
> relativity."
>
> Einsteiniana's zombies know nothing more consistent than Steve
> Carlip's explanation. The ecstasy gets uncontrollable - zombies tumble
> to the floor, start tearing their clothes and go into convulsions.
>
> Pentcho Valev
> pva...@yahoo.com
Pentcho Valev
Jan 31, 2012, 2:41:52 PM1/31/12
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Anonymous Einsteinians enthusiastically prove that, in a gravitational
field, the speed of light varies exactly as the speed of cannonballs
does, in accordance with Newton's emission theory of light:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixhczNygcWo
"Relativity 3 - gravity and light"
Pentcho Valev
pva...@yahoo.com
field, the speed of light varies exactly as the speed of cannonballs
does, in accordance with Newton's emission theory of light:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixhczNygcWo
"Relativity 3 - gravity and light"
Pentcho Valev
pva...@yahoo.com
Pentcho Valev
Feb 1, 2012, 2:26:01 AM2/1/12
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If the speed of light varies with the gravitational potential exactly
as the speed of cannonballs does, could that effect be the cause of
the gravitational redshift? Of Halton Arp's "intrinsic redshift"?
Einsteinians? Einsteinians ready to reply:
http://game2gether.de/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/wall1-1280x1024-1024x819.jpg
as the speed of cannonballs does, could that effect be the cause of
the gravitational redshift? Of Halton Arp's "intrinsic redshift"?
Einsteinians? Einsteinians ready to reply:
http://game2gether.de/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/wall1-1280x1024-1024x819.jpg
Peter Webb
Feb 1, 2012, 5:28:45 AM2/1/12
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"Pentcho Valev" <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> If the speed of light varies with the gravitational potential exactly
> as the speed of cannonballs does,
It doesn't.
> as the speed of cannonballs does,
You should learn some physics.
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