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oriel36
May 1, 2016, 8:59:05 AM5/1/16
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The seasons of Spring,Summer,Fall, Winter can only be explained by the daily and orbital motions of the Earth and Mid-Summer and Mid-Winter defined by the Solstice events for either hemisphere and specifically at the North and South Poles which are at polar noon.
There is no such things as the meteorological seasons and separately the astronomical seasons as to explain the temperature fluctuations across hemispheres over an annual orbit requires planetary dynamics. Roughly 6 weeks either side of the Solstice and Equinoxes is the beginning or end of a season which in calendar months would make May 1st the beginning of Summer.
Those who try to chase a chaotic designation of heat and cold across latitudes as the beginning and end of a season have no regard for planetary dynamics and the cause of the seasons which rely on two specific day/night cycles and two separate surface rotations to the central Sun.
There is no such things as the meteorological seasons and separately the astronomical seasons as to explain the temperature fluctuations across hemispheres over an annual orbit requires planetary dynamics. Roughly 6 weeks either side of the Solstice and Equinoxes is the beginning or end of a season which in calendar months would make May 1st the beginning of Summer.
Those who try to chase a chaotic designation of heat and cold across latitudes as the beginning and end of a season have no regard for planetary dynamics and the cause of the seasons which rely on two specific day/night cycles and two separate surface rotations to the central Sun.
Mike Collins
May 1, 2016, 10:41:51 AM5/1/16
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Met. Office definition - perfectly sensible and agreed by most normal
people.
Meteorological season
Meteorological spring will begin on 01 March 2016 and ends on 31 May 2016.
The meteorological seasons consists of splitting the seasons into four
periods made up of three months each. These seasons are split to coincide
with our Gregorian calendar making it easier for meteorological observing
and forecasting to compare seasonal and monthly statistics. By the
meteorological calendar, spring starts on 1 March.
The seasons are defined as Spring (March, April, May), Summer (June, July,
August), Autumn (September, October, November) and Winter (December,
January, February).
Astronomical season
The next astronomical spring begins on 20 March 2016 and ends on 19 June
2016.
The astronomical calendar determines the seasons due to the 23.5 degree
tilt of the Earth's rotational axis in relation to its orbit around the
sun. Both equinoxes and solstices are related to the Earth's orbit around
the sun.
Chris L Peterson
May 1, 2016, 10:58:38 AM5/1/16
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On Sun, 1 May 2016 14:38:21 -0000 (UTC), Mike Collins
<acridin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>As usual you are wrong.
>Met. Office definition - perfectly sensible and agreed by most normal
>people.
>
>Meteorological season
>Meteorological spring will begin on 01 March 2016 and ends on 31 May 2016.
>
>The meteorological seasons consists of splitting the seasons into four
>periods made up of three months each. These seasons are split to coincide
>with our Gregorian calendar making it easier for meteorological observing
>and forecasting to compare seasonal and monthly statistics. By the
>meteorological calendar, spring starts on 1 March.
>
>The seasons are defined as Spring (March, April, May), Summer (June, July,
>August), Autumn (September, October, November) and Winter (December,
>January, February).
>
>Astronomical season
>The next astronomical spring begins on 20 March 2016 and ends on 19 June
>2016.
Of course, there are also solar seasons, which are centered on the
<acridin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>As usual you are wrong.
>Met. Office definition - perfectly sensible and agreed by most normal
>people.
>
>Meteorological season
>Meteorological spring will begin on 01 March 2016 and ends on 31 May 2016.
>
>The meteorological seasons consists of splitting the seasons into four
>periods made up of three months each. These seasons are split to coincide
>with our Gregorian calendar making it easier for meteorological observing
>and forecasting to compare seasonal and monthly statistics. By the
>meteorological calendar, spring starts on 1 March.
>
>The seasons are defined as Spring (March, April, May), Summer (June, July,
>August), Autumn (September, October, November) and Winter (December,
>January, February).
>
>Astronomical season
>The next astronomical spring begins on 20 March 2016 and ends on 19 June
>2016.
solstices and equinoxes. Quite popular in Ireland some centuries back,
and still so with pagans.
Clearly, the seasons are created by orbital dynamics, but the choice
of calendar dating is somewhat arbitrary and based on intent. That's a
perfectly reasonably thing to do (which is obvious if you're a
reasonable person).
oriel36
May 1, 2016, 11:47:15 AM5/1/16
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On June 21st it will be polar noon, the June Solstice and Mid-Winter at the South pole while in the Northern hemisphere it will be polar noon, the June Solstice and Mid-Summer. Seasons begin and end 6 weeks either side of these planetary markers for the Earth's rotations or as close to the beginning of a calendar month as possible.
The astronomical seasons as distinct from the meteorological seasons is as contrived as the fictional 'solar vs sidereal day' for everyone has to run back to the cause of the seasons and the motions of the Earth including the polar day/night cycle which defines polar noon, the Solstice and Mid- Summer/winter.
It takes two separate rotations to create the following spectacle in order to make sense of the smallest and greatest arcs of the Sun from horizon to horizon over the course of a year -
http://www.eaae-astronomy.org/WG3-SS/WorkShops/SunsetFig4b.gif
oriel36
May 1, 2016, 12:10:34 PM5/1/16
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Oops - it will be polar midnight on June 21st at the South pole and also the Solstice and Mid-Winter whereas it will be polar noon , the Solstice and Mid-Summer in the Northern hemisphere.
The celestial sphere description is that the Sun is above the tropics on the Solstice but the Sun is a giant star at the center of the solar system and 93,000,000 miles away -
http://www.universetoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/sunearthcompared.jpg
Using heat/cold to define the seasons may work for a continental landmass but once a person has to explain the cause of the seasons it becomes disruptive as the lag in annual temperature fluctuations after the Solstices is in response to the daily and orbital traits of the Earth's motions.
The celestial sphere description is that the Sun is above the tropics on the Solstice but the Sun is a giant star at the center of the solar system and 93,000,000 miles away -
http://www.universetoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/sunearthcompared.jpg
Using heat/cold to define the seasons may work for a continental landmass but once a person has to explain the cause of the seasons it becomes disruptive as the lag in annual temperature fluctuations after the Solstices is in response to the daily and orbital traits of the Earth's motions.
oriel36
May 1, 2016, 1:42:29 PM5/1/16
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On Sunday, May 1, 2016 at 3:41:51 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
> oriel36 <kellehe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > The seasons of Spring,Summer,Fall, Winter can only be explained by the
> > daily and orbital motions of the Earth and Mid-Summer and Mid-Winter
> > defined by the Solstice events for either hemisphere and specifically at
> > the North and South Poles which are at polar noon.
> >
> > There is no such things as the meteorological seasons and separately the
> > astronomical seasons as to explain the temperature fluctuations across
> > hemispheres over an annual orbit requires planetary dynamics. Roughly 6
> > weeks either side of the Solstice and Equinoxes is the beginning or end
> > of a season which in calendar months would make May 1st the beginning of Summer.
> >
> > Those who try to chase a chaotic designation of heat and cold across
> > latitudes as the beginning and end of a season have no regard for
> > planetary dynamics and the cause of the seasons which rely on two
> > specific day/night cycles and two separate surface rotations to the central Sun.
> >
>
> As usual you are wrong.
> Met. Office definition - perfectly sensible and agreed by most normal
> people.
>
The warmest part of the day is not the middle of the day (noon) between sunrise and sunset but sometime around 3PM.
> oriel36 <kellehe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > The seasons of Spring,Summer,Fall, Winter can only be explained by the
> > daily and orbital motions of the Earth and Mid-Summer and Mid-Winter
> > defined by the Solstice events for either hemisphere and specifically at
> > the North and South Poles which are at polar noon.
> >
> > There is no such things as the meteorological seasons and separately the
> > astronomical seasons as to explain the temperature fluctuations across
> > hemispheres over an annual orbit requires planetary dynamics. Roughly 6
> > weeks either side of the Solstice and Equinoxes is the beginning or end
> > of a season which in calendar months would make May 1st the beginning of Summer.
> >
> > Those who try to chase a chaotic designation of heat and cold across
> > latitudes as the beginning and end of a season have no regard for
> > planetary dynamics and the cause of the seasons which rely on two
> > specific day/night cycles and two separate surface rotations to the central Sun.
> >
>
> As usual you are wrong.
> Met. Office definition - perfectly sensible and agreed by most normal
> people.
>
The lag in temperatures between midday and 3 PM is pretty obvious and so is the creation of Arctic sea ice after the December Solstice (polar noon) and well into March -
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-TEHieg1Cyjg/UcfqRqa4SAI/AAAAAAAAKK0/9Ye_Zz5qk-8/s1600/icecover_current_new.png
I look at how the temperature fluctuations respond to the dynamics of the planet so trying to fudge the difference by creating a silly meteorological seasons to set off against the astronomical seasons is pretty much the same as saying we should have a term for the middle of the day at 3PM when temperatures are warmest during the daily rotational cycle.
Of course, the the celestial sphere 'planet of the apes' mindset there are more rotations than 24 hour days across a year so these dopes can say what they wish.
Mike Collins
May 1, 2016, 5:16:05 PM5/1/16
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sights. Lots of trees still in bud, Only 3 types of butterfly so far no
blossom on hawthorn yet, swifts won't arrive for a day or two. It's still
too cold to plant sweetcorn or squash. Typical spring day. You can see
similar sights neer your home.
It's not summer yet.
No wonder you can't persuade anybody about your naive views on astronomy
when you can't even look about you at the seasons. Yes temperature lags the
start of the seasons. That's why we choose to describe summer in Britain as
starting in June with the last month of summer, August, the warmest (on
average).
oriel36
May 1, 2016, 5:50:54 PM5/1/16
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On Sunday, May 1, 2016 at 10:16:05 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
> No wonder you can't persuade anybody about your naive views on astronomy
> when you can't even look about you at the seasons. Yes temperature lags the
> start of the seasons.
The Nazis never had a sense of occasion which is why they acted like thugs in all their dealing with history and how they could manufacture it at will to suit their wretched purpose. They drew their ideology from empiricism which elevated tribal aggression or 'survival of the fittest' to a law of nature applied to all biological evolution and millions died when it was applied in WWII as a justification for expansion and extermination.
> No wonder you can't persuade anybody about your naive views on astronomy
> when you can't even look about you at the seasons. Yes temperature lags the
> start of the seasons.
Midsummer was always celebrated around the June Solstice in culture such as Shakespeare's 'Midsummer's Night Dream' therefore equidistant from this date is May 1st and July 31st encompassing Summer. It prevents people using heat and cold to represent any of the four seasons as summers can be hot or cool, wet or dry ect.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midsummer
The getting into technical details where the middle of the day is not the warmest period, that is around 3PM while it follows from the polar day/night cycle that polar noon at the North pole on June 21st represents the middle of the day between polar sunrise and polar sunset sees additional warming for a number of months afterwards hence Arctic sea ice doesn't develop because it only starts cooling down in September just as it only starts to cools down in late afternoon with the daily cycle -
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-TEHieg1Cyjg/UcfqRqa4SAI/AAAAAAAAKK0/9Ye_Zz5qk-8/s1600/icecover_current_new.png
By trying to split the seasons apart by astronomical and meteorological terms you lose the ability to assign cause and effect and goes to show how much academics know or care about temperature fluctuations daily and seasonally.
Welcome to the summer months.
Mike Collins
May 1, 2016, 6:25:13 PM5/1/16
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September is cooler then October. That's why summer is defined as June,
July, August and September is the start of Autumn.
Of course you could take the US view that summer starts on the solstice.
That's even later. The function of language is communication. If you keep
unilaterally perverting the meaning of words you will soon be speaking a
language of your own. You already live in a world with few connections to
reality and soon you will be completely cut off.
oriel36
May 1, 2016, 6:52:56 PM5/1/16
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarter_days
The use of the 24 hour day and the polar day/night cycle in combination to create the seasons and particularly polar noon at the North or South poles which represent the middle of the day on June or December 21st and ultimately Midsummer at lower latitudes where it combines with daily rotation.
You are the people who gloat that there are more rotations than 24 hour days and deny yourselves the wonderful cultural celebrations designed around days linked to the seasons and orbital points of the Earth. A more miserable existence I can't imagine unless there is some satisfaction in poisoning the next generation as you were.
Mike Collins
May 2, 2016, 7:48:04 AM5/2/16
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May it will be the Spring bank holiday.
oriel36
May 2, 2016, 9:03:15 AM5/2/16
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On Monday, May 2, 2016 at 12:48:04 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
>
> Today is the early May bank holiday in England and Wales. On the 30th of
> May it will be the Spring bank holiday.
People take great pleasure in figuring things out and especially new perspectives which make sense, at least you stuck around as opposed to the other dunce you said his piece and disappeared as is his nature.
>
> Today is the early May bank holiday in England and Wales. On the 30th of
> May it will be the Spring bank holiday.
The annual temperature fluctuations follow roughly the same path as the daily temperature fluctuations in that the warmest part of the cycle is around 3 PM and hours removed from noon/midday. There is no meteorological noon at 3 PM set off against 12 hour noon with its prefixes of AM and PM dividing the Sun's position between sunrise and sunset.
Midsummer occurs on June 21st but the warmest days have yet to come however unthinking people have decided that warmth when the middle of the summer is much like deciding the middle of the 24 hour day is at 3PM when temperature is around its highest and that is absurd much like beginning the summer on any other day than May 1st and ending it on July 30th which places the June Solstice around June 21st, polar noon and Midsummer.
The seasons are determined by the dynamics of the planet which include the fact that it generally gets warmer after the solstice and in the afternoon as opposed to the midday or on the Solstice. There is no such thing as the meteorological seasons which falls into the same vapid and fictional category as 'solar vs sidereal' time.
Wish people took pride in their ability to reason but unfortunately they do not.
Mike Collins
May 2, 2016, 9:25:13 AM5/2/16
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It's not!
oriel36
May 2, 2016, 10:42:25 AM5/2/16
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On Monday, May 2, 2016 at 2:25:13 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
>
> By your reckoning August in the Northern Hemisphere is Autumn.
>
> It's not!
The planet has two separate day/night cycles arising from separate rotations to the Sun and each has its distinct dawn, sunrise, noon, sunset and twilight and midnight.
>
> By your reckoning August in the Northern Hemisphere is Autumn.
>
> It's not!
Polar dawn begins on either March 21st or September 21st depending on which pole is being discussed and half way between polar sunrise and polar sunset is polar noon on the Solstices.
Like its daily rotational counterpart the warmest and coldest part of the polar day is not on the Solstices but afterwards and because the entire planet rotates as a function of its orbital motion , the polar day/night cycle when combine with daily rotation creates the seasons at lower latitudes.
The same terms apply to midsummer as they do midday and the same heating effects are present at the daily and seasonal scales in terms of the warming after midsummer on the Solstice as they do the daily cycle at noon. It is impossible to separate polar noon from midsummer unless you are a thug who wants to create a division on the seasons without reference to the motions ad traits which causes the temperatures to rise and fall over the course of a year.
The older generations had a type of ancestral class in celebrating the Midsummer around June 21st and the start of Autumn roughly 6 weeks later on August 1st just as May 1st starts summer and ends July 31st. This is not a trivial or small matter, the daily and orbital motions explain the seasons and fix them annually by means of polar dawn,polar noon,polar twilight and polar midnight around the respective names of Solstices and Equinoxes and the inputs follow roughly the same path for temperature fluctuation after these events.
wsne...@hotmail.com
May 2, 2016, 11:07:03 AM5/2/16
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On Monday, May 2, 2016 at 9:25:13 AM UTC-4, Mike Collins wrote:
> By your reckoning August in the Northern Hemisphere is Autumn.
>
> It's not!
In some cultures it was and in some it still is, sort of.
> By your reckoning August in the Northern Hemisphere is Autumn.
>
> It's not!
In the US the ground hog decides if Spring has arrived. :-)
If the ground hog decides that spring really begins on Feb. 2, then summer begins May 1, fall begins August 1, winter begins Oct 31.
Fall semesters often begin in August, Spring semesters in January.
Summer break from school is usually June, July and August.
"Officially" the seasons start on equinoxes and solstices.
None of this actually matters to anyone except you and the birdman.
Paul Schlyter
May 2, 2016, 12:10:30 PM5/2/16
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> Meteorological season
> Meteorological spring will begin on 01 March 2016 and ends on 31
May 2016.
.........
> Meteorological spring will begin on 01 March 2016 and ends on 31
May 2016.
> The seasons are defined as Spring (March, April, May), Summer
(June, July,
> August), Autumn (September, October, November) and Winter (December,
> January, February).
are defined from the temperature. Here meteorologiska spring starts
when the daily average temperature has been above 0°C for 7 days.
Summer starts when above 10°C for 5 days, autumn when below 10°C for
7 days and winter when below 0°C for 5 days. We also have an addition
rulle saying that spring never starts earlier than 15 February and
autumn never earlier than 1 August. And yes, some years summer and/or
winter can be skipped in some places.
oriel36
May 2, 2016, 12:50:54 PM5/2/16
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It is perhaps centered around the recognition of the single polar day/night cycle and the separate terms of dawn,sunrise,noon ect applied to that annual cycle which surface as the seasons when it combines with the 24 hour cycle.
The dual day/night cycle have the common trait that temperatures are not highest at the positions of noon, either daily noon or polar noon nor at midnight each day or polar midnight at the Solstices as such information as Arctic sea ice evolution demonstrates.
http://i.imgur.com/C7gBXfR.png
Polar noon occurs when the North and South poles are midway between the polar sunrise and polar sunset therefore it is impossible to assign anything other than Midsummer to polar noon than it is to assign anything other than midday to 12 noon with the 24 hour cycle.
The seasons are fixed by the orbital surface rotation and its distinct polar sunrise,noon, sunset and midnight. The proportion of weeks either side of these great events are near enough equal to May 1st as the beginning of summer, August 1st as the beginning of Autumn/Fall, November 1st as the beginning of Winter and February 1st as the start of Spring.
Empiricist lack any sense of culture, history and more importantly the technical details because they are intellectual thugs therefore they have no sense of their national identity including the Midsummer festivals assigned to the June Solstice in Sweden -
https://sweden.se/culture-traditions/midsummer/
It is not all about the technical details, it is the heart of human culture that is being systematically obliterated by the dullest minds the world has ever seen.
The dual day/night cycle have the common trait that temperatures are not highest at the positions of noon, either daily noon or polar noon nor at midnight each day or polar midnight at the Solstices as such information as Arctic sea ice evolution demonstrates.
http://i.imgur.com/C7gBXfR.png
Polar noon occurs when the North and South poles are midway between the polar sunrise and polar sunset therefore it is impossible to assign anything other than Midsummer to polar noon than it is to assign anything other than midday to 12 noon with the 24 hour cycle.
The seasons are fixed by the orbital surface rotation and its distinct polar sunrise,noon, sunset and midnight. The proportion of weeks either side of these great events are near enough equal to May 1st as the beginning of summer, August 1st as the beginning of Autumn/Fall, November 1st as the beginning of Winter and February 1st as the start of Spring.
Empiricist lack any sense of culture, history and more importantly the technical details because they are intellectual thugs therefore they have no sense of their national identity including the Midsummer festivals assigned to the June Solstice in Sweden -
https://sweden.se/culture-traditions/midsummer/
It is not all about the technical details, it is the heart of human culture that is being systematically obliterated by the dullest minds the world has ever seen.
oriel36
May 3, 2016, 4:50:38 PM5/3/16
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It is a wonderful mix between the old and the new where all the ancients festivals celebrating Midsummmer meet with the polar day/night cycle and polar noon at the North pole on June 21st.
If daily rotation is subtracted from observations the entire planet's surface turns once to the central Sun as a function of its orbital motions and much like the daily cycle the temperatures respond in a similar way apart from hemispherical and other distinctions in that 12 noon and polar noon are not the warmest parts of their respective day/night cycles -
http://prairieecosystems.pbworks.com/f/1179343887/crerar%20temperature%20variation.jpg
http://greatwhitecon.info/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/DMI-New-2015-01-19.png
In trying to split Midsummer apart by heat/ cold from daylight/darkness the proponents who do this lose the ability to express the reasons behind temperature fluctuations for both cycles and mock many national customs which rightly celebrate Midsummer at the Solstices.
Unable to look back in history to the festivals or forward with enjoyable technical details is a miserable fate that no society should face, not this year or any other.
If daily rotation is subtracted from observations the entire planet's surface turns once to the central Sun as a function of its orbital motions and much like the daily cycle the temperatures respond in a similar way apart from hemispherical and other distinctions in that 12 noon and polar noon are not the warmest parts of their respective day/night cycles -
http://prairieecosystems.pbworks.com/f/1179343887/crerar%20temperature%20variation.jpg
http://greatwhitecon.info/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/DMI-New-2015-01-19.png
In trying to split Midsummer apart by heat/ cold from daylight/darkness the proponents who do this lose the ability to express the reasons behind temperature fluctuations for both cycles and mock many national customs which rightly celebrate Midsummer at the Solstices.
Unable to look back in history to the festivals or forward with enjoyable technical details is a miserable fate that no society should face, not this year or any other.
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