Average IQ by State
Robert Calvert
state according to the Ravens APM; the most accurate measure of innate
intelligence in my opinion:
Average income by state; source: '94 World
Almanac:
(1) Connecticut..................113 $26,979 Gore
(2) Massachusetts..............111 $24,059 Gore
(3) New Jersey..................111 $26,457 Gore
(4) New York....................109 $23,534 Gore
(5) Rhode Island................107 $20,299 Gore
(6) Hawaii..........................106 $21,218 Gore
(7) Maryland......................105 $22,974 Gore
(8) New Hampshire............105 $22,934 Bush
(9) Illinois...........................104 $21,608 Gore
(10) Delaware....................103 $21,451 Gore
(11) Minnesota...................102 $20,049 Gore
(12) Vermont......................102 $18,834 Gore
(13) Washington.................102 $20,398 Gore
(14) California....................101 $21,278 Gore
(15) Pennsylvania...............101 $20,253 Gore
(16) Maine.........................100 $18,226 Gore
(17) Virginia.......................100 $20,629 Bush
(18) Wisconsin...................100 $18,727 Gore
(19) Colorado.....................99 $20,124 Bush
(20) Iowa............................99 $18,287 Gore
(21) Michigan......................99 $19,508 Gore
(22) Nevada........................99 $20,266 Bush
(23) Ohio............................99 $18,624 Bush
(24) Oregon........................99 $18,202 Gore
(25) Alaska.........................98 $21,603 Bush
(26) Florida.........................98 $19,397 Bush
(27) Missouri.......................98 $18,835 Bush
(28) Kansas.........................96 $19,376 Bush
(29) Nebraska.....................95 $19,084 Bush
(30) Arizona........................94 $17,119 Bush
(31) Indiana.........................94 $18,043 Bush
(32) Tennessee....................94 $17,341 Bush
(33) North Carolina.............93 $17,667 Bush
(34) West Virginia...............93 $15,065 Bush
(35) Arkansas.....................92 $15,439 Bush
(36) Georgia........................92 $18,130 Bush
(37) Kentucky.....................92 $16,534 Bush
(38) New Mexico................92 $15,353 Gore
(39) North Dakota...............92 $16,854 Bush
(40) Texas...........................92 $17,892 Bush
(41) Alabama.......................90 $16,220 Bush
(42) Louisiana......................90 $15,712 Bush
(43) Montana.......................90 $16,062 Bush
(44) Oklahoma.....................90 $16,198 Bush
(45) South Dakota................90 $16,558 Bush
(46) South Carolina..............89 $15,989 Bush
(47) Wyoming......................89 $17,423 Bush
(48) Idaho............................87 $16,067 Bush
(49) Utah.............................87 $15,325 Bush
(50) Mississippi....................85 $14,088 Bush
In the next column, I drew my inspiration from the book "IQ and the
Wealth of Nations" and turned it into IQ and the Wealth of States. The
column on the right (including all it's implications) is self
explanatory. :-)
Obviously, New England's score shouldn't surprise anybody. I would
probably consider Hawaii's score to be a little irregular if I didn't
know that a vary large Japanese minority lived there. I'm certainly
not surprised that Mississippi is dead last, but I am surprised that
Wyoming, Idaho and Utah scored so low. I also couldn't help but notice
how the IQ score is almost as diverse between the states as it is
between nations. I suppose this can be explained by the tendency of
people to seek out like minded people combined with the freedom of
travel within such a large nation.
Robert
Mozart's Widow
is that while they may be intelligent in math, linguistics, music, etc...,
doesn't indicate intelligence in politics.
Culture War
"Robert Calvert" <Herc...@pcstarnet.com> wrote in message
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The apparent implication is that those with the highest IQ scores are those
most likely to deny that IQ and IQ differences even exist. Perhaps because
they can see the implications.
Wotan
Mozart's Widow <mozart...@genius.com> wrote in message
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> Let's say most people with an IQ about 100 voted for Gore, all that proves
> is that while they may be intelligent in math, linguistics, music, etc...,
> doesn't indicate intelligence in politics.
>
Very good point, oh bereaved one.
Some of the biggest pieces of slime on the face of the planet
are highly intelligent.
The problem is that they are schooled within the same regime
that decides how intelligence is measured.
But for the most part, they remain endemically corrupt and
catastrophically useless.
For example, the most intelligent friend I have is a space
geophysicist. A very nice and honest chap - but he could
hardly carry himself across the road without help.
On the other hand, the shark is probably one of the dimmist
creatures in the ocean. Having got its design right a very
long time ago it is, however, one of the most ancient and
successful - never having had to bother very much about the
problem of survival and, therefore, developing the intelligence
to survive.
Then we have the likes of Blair, Prodi and other puffed up
fleas. Rotten to the core - completely unproductive and
also totally incapable of walking across a road without help.
Wotan
Culture War <cultu...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> The apparent implication is that those with the highest IQ scores are
those
> most likely to deny that IQ and IQ differences even exist. Perhaps because
> they can see the implications.
>
Ålien
Calvert) wrote:
:^)
:^) Here it is in case anybody ever wondered. Here's the average IQ by
:^) state according to the Ravens APM
TO ALL
Please vote straight line Democrat in all future elections
because I prosper under democratic administrations.
My savings investments have suffered greatly under the
republican admins and are presently down to a measly three
million USD and I need to go back to work in order to survive.
My last job was a $1.3 million grant to study whether a committee of
seventeen was more efficient than a committee of thirty-three to study
the merits of various methods of studying the most practical size
of a committee to study committee size efficiency.
Took us seventeen years and seven additional grants to conclude that
committee decisions are worthless ninety-three per cent of the time.
We, of course, published a 3,278 page dissertation outlining the value
of committee decisions and 478 different formulas with an explanation
of each and when and where it should be implimented.
The Republicans? - Phooey on them - they took MY money for future
grants and spent it in the stealth bomber - what a waste of YOUR,
the taxpayer's, hard earned money.
trivia
Lord Baltimore was given a colonial grant and in 1633 landed in
in Maryland with two shiploads of colonists in the Ark and the Dove.
Charles Baltimore Calvert may have been a Baltimore family name.
Are you of the Maryland Calverts ?
I love those Democrats - Please vote Democrat.
The Ålien
Senor Chico
All that blather to "prove" that Algore voters are book smart -- and
street stupid...
When you can connect up I.Q. scores to common sense (rather than too
many edumaction degrees) get back to us.
BTW, LOVED your little racist faux pax about Hawaii.
Senor Chico
All that blather to "prove" that Algore voters are book smart -- and
street stupid...
When you can connect up I.Q. scores to common sense (rather than too
many edumacation degrees) get back to us.
Tim Carter
"Robert Calvert" <Herc...@pcstarnet.com> wrote in message
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> state according to the Ravens APM; the most accurate measure of innate
> intelligence in my opinion:
I don't know of any test that can test for *innate* human intelligence.
Maybe this test measures some facets of intelligence post education. This
would likely be influenced by local economics due to the method of
educational funding in the United States. This conclusion appears to fit
the general trend based upon your statistics.
Wotan
Senor Chico <fr...@biteme.com> wrote in message
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Shove your Marxist political correctness up your arse !
Wotan
Tim Carter <tca...@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Robert Calvert" <Herc...@pcstarnet.com> wrote in message
> news:a3cd6a89.02112...@posting.google.com...
> > Here it is in case anybody ever wondered. Here's the average IQ by
> > state according to the Ravens APM; the most accurate measure of innate
> > intelligence in my opinion:
>
> I don't know of any test that can test for *innate* human intelligence.
> Maybe this test measures some facets of intelligence post education. This
> would likely be influenced by local economics due to the method of
> educational funding in the United States. This conclusion appears to fit
> the general trend based upon your statistics.
>
IQ tests have long since been discredited as useless beyond as a
basic measure of spatial conception and manipulative skills.
Which is fine if you are trying ot measure engineering skills -
which is jolly for people like me - but pretty useless for anything else.
John Tibbs
> is that while they may be intelligent in math, linguistics, music, etc...,
> doesn't indicate intelligence in politics.
True. Education IQs don't reflect a person's natural ability to
think. IOW, an educated fool is still a fool.
jt
John Tibbs
Thank God those "high IQ" states didn't win the presidency. If they
had we would be apologizing and offering reparations to al qaeda etal.
jt
Lou
>
> Here it is in case anybody ever wondered. Here's the average IQ by
> state according to the Ravens APM; the most accurate measure of innate
> intelligence in my opinion:
>
Interesting but with the possible exception of the end points all
given values are within one standard deviation from the norm. So
mathematically the table does not really say much about true differences
between the people described.
Lou
Jim Collier
> Obviously, New England's score shouldn't surprise anybody. I would
> probably consider Hawaii's score to be a little irregular if I didn't
> know that a vary large Japanese minority lived there. I'm certainly
> not surprised that Mississippi is dead last, but I am surprised that
> Wyoming, Idaho and Utah scored so low. I also couldn't help but notice
> how the IQ score is almost as diverse between the states as it is
> between nations. I suppose this can be explained by the tendency of
> people to seek out like minded people combined with the freedom of
> travel within such a large nation.
Interesting data. What's the source of mean IQ by states? Send
me e-mail if you want. I'll be out of touch on Internet, but e-mail
that doesn't have attachments reaches my cell phone.
What is equally important is that the Bumfuckia region, especially
the Deep South who generally place low in statistics gauging
well-being, are always dragged along so that in the end they
champion the cause loudest of all that they originally opposed
the most strenuously.
You can bet the South will come along after the Bush Jr. regime
is as successful in shutting down Saddam Hussein as his father
was or as he has been in capturing Osama bin Laden. The truth
is, the attack on the World Trade Center was a one-shot event,
not likely to be replicated. But terrorism is, one fears,
well and alive, **and not likely to be diminished by the
invasion of an important Muslim nation** and the deaths
of hundreds of thousands of innocents who live there.
The dumbs-dumb fundy Prots and flag wrappers will
learn this. It is heartening to remember that
two years after Nixon was overwhelmingly reelected,
his former attorney-general, who was "happy
to be back in Alabama," entered federal
prison. The most heinous of his acts was actually
harmful only to a small number of people like the
psychiatrist of Daniel Ellsburg. (Recall that John
Mitchell had plotted the break-in of the man's office.)
A fate at least as severe awaits one of the greatest assaulters
of the U.S. Constitution on a much larger scale than
Mitchell's aberrations, the present A-G.
In 20 years, his Homeland Security Act will
look as foolish as the roundup of Japanese-Americans in
1942 looked after the war.
--
Jim
http://jim-collier.com
See the San Francisco that San Franciscans see.
Hans-Georg Michna
> Average income by state; source: '94 World
>Almanac:
>
>(1) Connecticut..................113 $26,979 Gore
>(2) Massachusetts..............111 $24,059 Gore
>(3) New Jersey..................111 $26,457 Gore
>...
>(48) Idaho............................87 $16,067 Bush
>(49) Utah.............................87 $15,325 Bush
>(50) Mississippi....................85 $14,088 Bush
I think the table has been made up, out of thin air, by a Gore
fan.
Hans-Georg
--
No mail, please.
Steve
"Robert Calvert" <Herc...@pcstarnet.com> wrote in message
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> state according to the Ravens APM; the most accurate measure of innate
> intelligence in my opinion:
>
> Average income by state; source: '94 World
> Almanac:
>
cumulative, IE the IQ is for the entire population of each state.
Enough Already!
"Tim Carter" <tca...@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message
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>
> news:a3cd6a89.02112...@posting.google.com...
> > Here it is in case anybody ever wondered. Here's the average IQ by
> > state according to the Ravens APM; the most accurate measure of innate
> > intelligence in my opinion:
>
> I don't know of any test that can test for *innate* human intelligence.
> Maybe this test measures some facets of intelligence post education. This
> would likely be influenced by local economics due to the method of
> educational funding in the United States. This conclusion appears to fit
> the general trend based upon your statistics.
a wise old psychology professor once said to me ( and everyone else in that
class ) that "intelligence is what intelligence tests measure"
he meant it humorously, and cynically, in that try as they may,
psychologists cannot define "intelligence", let alone objectively test for
it.
in the 60's and 70's we used to hear about "the bias" of intelligence tests
again minorities. the fact is that all intelligence tests are biased. if
your definition of intelligence is based on ability to answer questions
covered in
New England prep school curricula, then sure, people who have not prepared
using those curricula will do worse than those who do. if your critera is
the ability to speak ebonics and read tag, and you are not familiar with
either, then you will do poorly.
any conclusions based on intelligence tests, particularly when juxtaposed
with salaries and then grouped by state, is severely misleading right from
the get go.
Jim Alder
Hawaii is a race now? Maybe he was just commenting on 'surfer dudes.'
--
Congress is so strange. A man gets up to speak and says nothing. Nobody
listens - and then everybody disagrees. ~Boris Marshalov
Jim Alder
news:a3cd6a89.02112...@posting.google.com:
> Here it is in case anybody ever wondered. Here's the average IQ by
> state according to the Ravens APM; the most accurate measure of innate
> intelligence in my opinion:
But then, we have no idea of the value of your opinion.
I will say, however, that anyone that believes the AVERAGE IQ for the
entire state of Mississippi is 85 should probably live there.
Enough Already!
"Jim Alder" <jima...@ssnet.com> wrote in message
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> Senor Chico <fr...@biteme.com> wrote in news:3DE76C83...@biteme.com:
>
> > Yawn.
> >
> > All that blather to "prove" that Algore voters are book smart -- and
> > street stupid...
> >
> > When you can connect up I.Q. scores to common sense (rather than too
> > many edumacation degrees) get back to us.
> >
> > BTW, LOVED your little racist faux pax about Hawaii.
>
> Hawaii is a race now? Maybe he was just commenting on 'surfer dudes.'
I believe the reference was to the large numbers of Japanese living in
Hawaii, because as we all know, Asians are smarter than Polynesians. ( just
joking!!!!! )
IQ tests may have some value in some ways, but I continue to contend that
the table originally produced indicates nothing and offers no value for any
conversation other than that of the general value of IQ testing.
Phil MacRackin
Good spin. I like the "stupid and proud of it" twist. I bet your mother
is proud of you.
E Kurtz
> Here it is in case anybody ever wondered. Here's the average IQ by
> state according to the Ravens APM; the most accurate measure of innate
> intelligence in my opinion:
>
> Average income by state; source: '94 World
> Almanac:
>
> (1) Connecticut..................113 $26,979 Gore
> (2) Massachusetts..............111 $24,059 Gore
snip
> (49) Utah.............................87 $15,325 Bush
> (50) Mississippi....................85 $14,088 Bush
>
> In the next column, I drew my inspiration from the book "IQ and the
> Wealth of Nations" and turned it into IQ and the Wealth of States. The
> column on the right (including all it's implications) is self
> explanatory. :-)
>
> Obviously, New England's score shouldn't surprise anybody. I would
> probably consider Hawaii's score to be a little irregular if I didn't
> know that a vary large Japanese minority lived there. I'm certainly
> not surprised that Mississippi is dead last, but I am surprised that
> Wyoming, Idaho and Utah scored so low. I also couldn't help but notice
> how the IQ score is almost as diverse between the states as it is
> between nations. I suppose this can be explained by the tendency of
> people to seek out like minded people combined with the freedom of
> travel within such a large nation.
>
> Robert
What is even more surprising is the correlation between IQ and income
- using Excel I get a correlation coefficient of 0.92, extremely high
for this kind of data. The scatter plot is a textbook straight line.
Every extra IQ point means another $400 per annum. There is no need to
compute the regression line, you can read the result right off the
graph.
If I didn't know better I would think that the data had been cooked up
to support the income-IQ relatedness theory. However, you appear to
have a different motive:
>The
> column on the right (including all it's implications) is self
> explanatory. :-)
True. It means "bright people sometimes make dumb choices".
--------------------------------------------------
"96.37% of all statistics are made up." - Anon
Greg
> state according to the Ravens APM; the most accurate measure of innate
> intelligence in my opinion:
>
> Average income by state; source: '94 World
> Almanac:
>
> (1) Connecticut..................113 $26,979 Gore
> (2) Massachusetts..............111 $24,059 Gore
> (3) New Jersey..................111 $26,457 Gore
This is the most elaborate method I've seen of calling conservatives
stupid. Congratulations! You're breaking new ground!
I might ask, though, whether you've ever considered challenging
conservatives' ideas in lieu of calling them stupid.
Real Progressive
to cheat on ballots.
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John Gilmer
"Real Progressive" <realpro...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Be sure to knock a few extra IQ points off of Florida, they're known
> to cheat on ballots.
What about the IQ of the folks who claim that they wanted to vote for algore
but believe they ended up voting for Pat Buchanon?
Most of these seemed to be NY Jews who came to Florida to die.
Phoenix Rising
I'm sure this has nothing to do with the unbelievable cost of living
in New England making it so that a) the average job in New England pays
more than the equivalent job in Columbus or Birmingham; and b) it takes a
wealthier (which generally correlates to more intelligent at the group
level, though there are profound individual exceptions both ways)
individual to live in these higher-cost areas.
A more interesting study to do would be on voting correlated to income
level directly, without the arbitrary boundaries of state lines. After
all, moving to Connecticut will not necessarily make you smarter or
richer, nor will it necessarily make you vote Democratic.
--Phoenix Rising
ralph
The rightwingers correctly accuse the 'elite' of being liberal; the
intellectual, educational, culturally more advantaged. But they never
manage to explain why that is a point against the elite, instead of for
liberalism.
--
When life hands you crap, make crapenade.
Real Progressive
Yes in Florida minorities often die of unnatural & natural causes.
Could have something to do with Jeb's state storm troopers.
SPAWN OF A JEWISH CARPENTER: CINDY SMITH
greg...@yahoo.com (Greg) writes:
The chart also doesn't take into consideration differences in cost of
living in different regions. $26k in California is a lot different
from $26k in Georgia. The last time I looked at Mensa demographics,
a significant percentage didn't have particularly high salaries, so
does that mean that Mensans are stupid? Figures lie and liars figure.
--
Cindy Smith I have further observed under the sun that
c...@dragon.com The race is not won by the swift,
c...@5sc.net Nor the battle by the valiant;
c...@romancatholic.org Nor is bread won by the wise,
Me transmitte sursum, Nor wealth by the intelligent,
Caledoni! Nor favor by the learned.
A Real Live Catholic For the time of mischance comes to all.
in Georgia! -- JPS Ecclesiastes 9:11
Alfred Einstead
> Let's say most people with an IQ about 100 voted for Gore, all that proves
> music, etc...,
... which IQ tests have nothing to do with measuring ...
> doesn't indicate intelligence in politics.
Without anything to provide indication to the contrary, that's
exactly what it proves -- and quite dramatically, at that.
But there's missing data on the Libertarians and Greens and
other parties. So, it's not complete.
Alfred Einstead
> Some of the biggest pieces of slime on the face of the planet
> are highly intelligent.
Actually, anti-intellectual bigots rank much higher on the
scale. They're the ones who burn down libraries, throw
books on bonfires, throw computers out the windows, burn
people at the stake, and commit mass executions and
deportations of them and others like they did in Cambodia
after the Americans fled SE Asia like cowards and gave it
all to the Communist slime, willy-nilly.
Hans-Georg Michna
>What is even more surprising is the correlation between IQ and income
>- using Excel I get a correlation coefficient of 0.92, extremely high
>for this kind of data. The scatter plot is a textbook straight line.
>Every extra IQ point means another $400 per annum. There is no need to
>compute the regression line, you can read the result right off the
>graph.
>If I didn't know better I would think that the data had been cooked up
>to support the income-IQ relatedness theory.
Why and what do you know better?
Enough Already!
yep - the libs make sure they keep their victims alive - so the y can send
them back to Cuba!
John Gilmer
> >
> > Most of these seemed to be NY Jews who came to Florida to die.
>
> Yes in Florida minorities often die of unnatural & natural causes.
> Could have something to do with Jeb's state storm troopers.
SO: now the "progressive" position is that Bush sends storm troopers to kill
old Jews in Florida! How special!
And you wonder why the critical "middle of the road" voters are giving the
democRATs a BIG thumbs down!
Keep up the good work.
Huck
Progressive) wrote:
>Yes in Florida minorities often die of unnatural & natural causes.
wow !!!!!! thats true here too !!!!!!!
oh, come to think of it, since the death rate is still just one a
person, dont all people die of unnatural or natural causes?
Byte Me
these numbers strike me as curious. I always thought that 120 was the
"average" person's IQ; that is, I was under the impression that most
people (world-wide) would, if given an IQ test, score 120. Does this
"Ravens APM" use a different method of assigning values to IQs than
that to which I am accustomed, or am I simply way-off in my assumption
that the number 120 is the average? Also, are we talking about the
median, mean, or modal average here?
E Kurtz
> Robert Calvert wrote:
>
> > Here it is in case anybody ever wondered. Here's the average IQ by
> > state according to the Ravens APM; the most accurate measure of innate
> > intelligence in my opinion:
> >
> > Average income by state; source: '94 World
> > Almanac:
> >
> > (1) Connecticut..................113 $26,979 Gore
> > (50) Mississippi....................85 $14,088 Bush
> >
> >
> > Obviously, New England's score shouldn't surprise anybody. I would
> > probably consider Hawaii's score to be a little irregular if I didn't
snip
> >
> > Robert
>
> I'm sure this has nothing to do with the unbelievable cost of living
> in New England making it so that a) the average job in New England pays
> more than the equivalent job in Columbus or Birmingham; and b) it takes a
> wealthier (which generally correlates to more intelligent at the group
> level, though there are profound individual exceptions both ways)
> individual to live in these higher-cost areas.
I think you have the cause-effect relationship backwards here. The
cost of living in New England is high because the cost of land is
high, and the cost of land is high because people want to live there,
and land is a limited resource. When no-one wants to live in an area
because, for example, of the disappearance of major industries, the
price of land plummets. This is what has happened to Buffalo, NY for
example. The reverse effect is occuring in Northern Virginia.
> A more interesting study to do would be on voting correlated to income
> level directly, without the arbitrary boundaries of state lines. After
> all, moving to Connecticut will not necessarily make you smarter or
> richer, nor will it necessarily make you vote Democratic.
But only a small seqment of the population could move to Connecticut
and expect to live comfortably. These are likely to be the college
eductated, who will have spent 4 years on university campuses being
indocrinated with left-wing ideas. As a result they will vote
Democratic until they come to their senses, if they ever do. This
explains the figures that Robert Calvert obtained.
E Kurtz
Calvert <Herc...@pcstarnet.com> who started the thread)
> Although by no means do I intend to impugn your integrity,
> these numbers strike me as curious. I always thought that 120 was the
> "average" person's IQ; that is, I was under the impression that most
> people (world-wide) would, if given an IQ test, score 120. Does this
> "Ravens APM" use a different method of assigning values to IQs than
> that to which I am accustomed, or am I simply way-off in my assumption
> that the number 120 is the average? Also, are we talking about the
> median, mean, or modal average here?
The average IQ is set at 100. I believe that, in the US, this is
average for whites. The average for Robert Calvert's data is 97.4.
The problem with this data is that it is too good to be true. There is
a faction within the psychometrics fraternity that believes that IQ is
the principal determinant of all important social outcomes - salary,
academic success or failure, criminal predisposition, out-of-wedlock
births, HIV, you name it; if you know a person's IQ you can to a large
extent figure out how he will end up. Those of this persuasion expect
salary to correlate broadly with IQ. If you plot those two variables
from Robert Calvert's data you see an almost perfect correlation.
Either RC has made an important discovery or the data is fake.
Mr Calvert, are you there? Can you explain where you got your IQ
figures?
E Kurtz
> The apparent implication is that those with the highest IQ scores are those
> most likely to deny that IQ and IQ differences even exist. Perhaps because
> they can see the implications.
Only when it comes to differences in academic performance and other social outcomes.
When it comes to saving low-IQ murderers on death row, they are true believers.
Publius Scipico
Col
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>
Must be all those thick-as-pigshit Mormons who can't grasp the fact that
having children with your sister leads to gruesome birth abnormalities.
Col
--
You say I have lost my belief in the politicians
They all seem like gameshow hosts to me.
ralph
Of course, states with more money have better schools. And anyone
telling you IQ tests are not affected by environmental factors are
kidding themselves.
E Kurtz
> Of course, states with more money have better schools.
But where do they get "more money"? From payroll and/or purchase tax.
But why is this more in some states than others? Because people in
some states are paid more. But why are they paid more? Because they
have valuable skills and abilities. But what skills and abilities are
most valuable in the present age? Those associated with high cognitive
ability, ie high IQ.
Just a few questions you should have asked yourself, but didn't.
And anyone
> telling you IQ tests are not affected by environmental factors are
> kidding themselves.
Presumably you mean "IQ test *scores* are not affected by
environmental factors". Who thinks this?
(btw, it should be "is kidding themselves", since the verb refers to
the singular "anyone")
LLX
> state according to the Ravens APM; the most accurate measure of innate
> intelligence in my opinion:
>
> Average income by state; source: '94 World
> Almanac:
>
> (1) Connecticut..................113 $26,979 Gore
<snip>
> (49) Utah.............................87 $15,325 Bush
> (50) Mississippi....................85 $14,088 Bush
>
> In the next column, I drew my inspiration from the book "IQ and the
> Wealth of Nations" and turned it into IQ and the Wealth of States. The
> column on the right (including all it's implications) is self
> explanatory. :-)
Finally, proof that you'd have to be stupid to vote for George II...
I'm not sure I'm pleased to read it, though. America is known around
the world as being home to the stupid... If the implications of your
table are true, he's clearly going to win the next election!
Simon
LLXSDG
Z
: Here it is in case anybody ever wondered. Here's the average IQ by
: state according to the Ravens APM; the most accurate measure of innate
: intelligence in my opinion:
Wow, Texans earn more than Tennesseans.
k
Z
: Finally, proof that you'd have to be stupid to vote for George II...
Not even close, though the author has implied that.
Had the author compared the IQs of THOSE WHO VOTED in the 2000
election across the 50 states, then the case would be quite a
bit stronger.
Simon Blackstone
> Robert Calvert wrote:
>>
> Interesting but with the possible exception of the end points all
> given values are within one standard deviation from the norm. So
> mathematically the table does not really say much about true differences
> between the people described.
> Lou
Actually Lou, I believe that you are mistaking the standard deviation
for the
margin of error. A difference of less than one standard deviation can
be
statiscally significant if the sample size is large enough and for
group as large as the population of even Alaska or Rhode Island a
difference of one
fifteenth of a standard deviation, which is one IQ point, can be
important.
Simon Blackstone
The opinions stated above ARE those of Mensa and are shared by each
and every one of its members.
Simon Blackstone
> Here it is in case anybody ever wondered. Here's the average IQ by
> state according to the Ravens APM; the most accurate measure of innate
> intelligence in my opinion:
>
> Almanac:
>
your source for the IQ scores of the states.
Simon Blackstone
The Enlightenment
> > (9) Illinois...........................104 $21,608 Herc...@pcstarnet.com (Robert Calvert) wrote in message news:<a3cd6a89.02112...@posting.google.com>...
> > Here it is in case anybody ever wondered. Here's the average IQ by
> > state according to the Ravens APM; the most accurate measure of innate
> > intelligence in my opinion:
> >
> > Average income by state; source: '94 World
> > Almanac:
> >
> I find it incredible to believe that nobody else raised this
>
> Simon Blackstone
They might be fabricated and misrepresented.
However what does that tell us?
Hispanics and blacks have lower tested IQs (92 and 85 respectively) to
whites (100) and effectvely lower the mean US IQ. They also have a
very high crime rate (4 and 8 times the white rate) and we could
simply be seeing a reaction to the Democrats ethnic policies in those
states with a IQ lowered by a high concentrations of blacks and
hispanics.
Some states will have a high concentration of professional and
business people.
Naturaly correlation does not mean causality.
I did go to this page and look at retardation rates and correlate it
with IQ.
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00040023.htm
I seems that the correlation between retardation and voting patterns
is this: states with the highest and lowest retardation rates voted
Bush. Those with average retardation rates voted Gore.
The correation with IQ and voting Gore Democrate may have to do with
the high sense of compassion higher IQ people have. I say this is
misplaced compassion.
Read "Intelligence and the Wealth and Poverty of Nations" on
http://fp.rlynn.plus.com/pages/articles.htm for Richard Lynn's
Analysis on national IQs.
blvd1940
"Simon Blackstone" <sblack...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:34339455.02120...@posting.google.com...
I think you are right. I see no reason to think the figures are correct,
they are obviously made up.
LLX
> In alt.fan.rush-limbaugh LLX <llx...@nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
> : Finally, proof that you'd have to be stupid to vote for George II...
>
> Not even close, though the author has implied that.
You might say that it's not full proof, but I don't see how you can
claim it's not even close.
Most of the people in states full of stupid people voted for Bush.
Most of the people in states full of smart people voted for Gore.
It might not be full scientific proof, but it's a fairly strong
indication, wouldn't you say?
> Had the author compared the IQs of THOSE WHO VOTED in the 2000
> election across the 50 states, then the case would be quite a
> bit stronger.
Given that there's a secret ballot, it wouldn't be possible to check
those who voted for intellegence against their balloting choice, so
we'll just have to use the best method available.
The best method available points to Bush voters being stupid.
Simon
LLXSDG
John Tibbs
> "Simon Blackstone" <sblack...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
> news:34339455.02120...@posting.google.com...
> > > (9) Illinois...........................104 $21,608
> Herc...@pcstarnet.com (Robert Calvert) wrote in message
> news:<a3cd6a89.02112...@posting.google.com>...
> > > Here it is in case anybody ever wondered. Here's the average IQ by
> > > state according to the Ravens APM; the most accurate measure of innate
> > > intelligence in my opinion:
> > >
> > > Average income by state; source: '94 World
> > > Almanac:
> > >
> > I find it incredible to believe that nobody else raised this point but
> what is
> > your source for the IQ scores of the states.
Sorry, but you are not likely to get areliable source for those figures.
jt
Richard Rongstad
>
> Here it is in case anybody ever wondered. Here's the average IQ by
> state according to the Ravens APM; the most accurate measure of innate
> intelligence in my opinion:
Looking at the top 5 and the election results, it should be taken
only as a measure of inmate intelligence.
> Average income by state; source: '94 World
> Almanac:
>
> (1) Connecticut..................113 $26,979 Gore
> (2) Massachusetts..............111 $24,059 Gore
> (3) New Jersey..................111 $26,457 Gore
> (4) New York....................109 $23,534 Gore
> (5) Rhode Island................107 $20,299 Gore
These are obviously the home states of the intellectuals Woody Allen
was thinking of; -
"Intellectuals are proof that you can be absolutely brilliant, and have
no idea what's going on." -- Woody Allen in the role of Alvy Singer in
his film Annie Hall. (According to Larry Platt in salon.com, Oct. 5,
2000.)
I believe Noam Chomsky resides in Massachusetts, he is on the MIT
faculty. I too, am not favorably impressed by Chomsky or his admirers.
http://vikingphoenix.com/public/rongstad/news/bamr/cctimes_chomsky.htm
[snipped results for the other 45 states and one paragraph]
> Obviously, New England's score shouldn't surprise anybody. I would
> probably consider Hawaii's score to be a little irregular if I didn't
Bill Nichols
John Gilmer wrote:
>
> "Real Progressive" <realpro...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:856d937e.02112...@posting.google.com...
> > Be sure to knock a few extra IQ points off of Florida, they're known
> > to cheat on ballots.
>
> What about the IQ of the folks who claim that they wanted to vote for algore
> but believe they ended up voting for Pat Buchanon?
>
> Most of these seemed to be NY Jews who came to Florida to die.
Hmm, now let me see here. Last I checked, not only
does John G here not live in Florida, but was also
grossly ignorant of election protocols in the state.
And maybe that's how they spell "Buchanan" in VA -- got
me. <eg>
So much for JG's credibility. }:)
B
Bill Nichols
Real Progressive wrote:
>
> "John Gilmer" <gil...@crosslink.net> wrote in message news:<3de82aca$0$29...@dingus.crosslink.net>...
> > "Real Progressive" <realpro...@aol.com> wrote in message
> > news:856d937e.02112...@posting.google.com...
> > > Be sure to knock a few extra IQ points off of Florida, they're known
> > > to cheat on ballots.
> >
> > What about the IQ of the folks who claim that they wanted to vote for algore
> > but believe they ended up voting for Pat Buchanon?
> >
> > Most of these seemed to be NY Jews who came to Florida to die.
>
> Yes in Florida minorities often die of unnatural & natural causes.
> Could have something to do with Jeb's state storm troopers.
Actually that's a very unfair comment. The FL state
patrol does not have a record of assaulting
minorities. And minorities here don't die suspicious
deaths any more than anyone else does. ;)
B
Bill Nichols
all IQ tests are relative & biased in one form or
another.
Bill
Bill Nichols
The Enlightenment wrote:
>
> sblack...@yahoo.ca (Simon Blackstone) wrote in message news:<34339455.02120...@posting.google.com>...
> > > (9) Illinois...........................104 $21,608 Herc...@pcstarnet.com (Robert Calvert) wrote in message news:<a3cd6a89.02112...@posting.google.com>...
> > > Here it is in case anybody ever wondered. Here's the average IQ by
> > > state according to the Ravens APM; the most accurate measure of innate
> > > intelligence in my opinion:
> > >
> > > Average income by state; source: '94 World
> > > Almanac:
> > >
> > I find it incredible to believe that nobody else raised this
> > point but what your source for the IQ scores of the states.
> >
> > Simon Blackstone
>
> They might be fabricated and misrepresented.
>
> However what does that tell us?
>
> Hispanics and blacks have lower tested IQs (92 and 85 respectively) to
Relative to what standard? You *are* aware, I presume,
that there *is* no such thing as a standard "IQ,"
correct? So much for your posits. <evil grin>
B
Chris Allen
> a wise old psychology professor once said to me ( and everyone else
> in that class ) that "intelligence is what intelligence tests measure"
> he meant it humorously, and cynically, in that try as they may,
> psychologists cannot define "intelligence", let alone objectively
> test for it.
"Measurable intelligence is simply what the tests of intelligence
test, until further scientific observation allows us to extend the
definition."
Boring E. G. Intelligence as the tests test it. _New Republic_, 1923,
_35_, 35-37.
-Chris
Bill Nichols
"Enough Already!" wrote:
>
> "Tim Carter" <tca...@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:jAKF9.32358$pa7.2...@twister.columbus.rr.com...
> >
> > "Robert Calvert" <Herc...@pcstarnet.com> wrote in message
> > news:a3cd6a89.02112...@posting.google.com...
> > > Here it is in case anybody ever wondered. Here's the average IQ by
> > > state according to the Ravens APM; the most accurate measure of innate
> > > intelligence in my opinion:
> >
> > I don't know of any test that can test for *innate* human intelligence.
> > Maybe this test measures some facets of intelligence post education. This
> > would likely be influenced by local economics due to the method of
> > educational funding in the United States. This conclusion appears to fit
> > the general trend based upon your statistics.
>
> a wise old psychology professor once said to me ( and everyone else in that
> class ) that "intelligence is what intelligence tests measure"
>
> he meant it humorously, and cynically, in that try as they may,
My guess is that he was passing along something *he*
heard in class once himself -- Binet (of the S-B) said
it originally.
> psychologists cannot define "intelligence", let alone objectively test for
> it.
>
> in the 60's and 70's we used to hear about "the bias" of intelligence tests
> again minorities. the fact is that all intelligence tests are biased. if
> your definition of intelligence is based on ability to answer questions
> covered in
> New England prep school curricula, then sure, people who have not prepared
> using those curricula will do worse than those who do. if your critera is
> the ability to speak ebonics and read tag, and you are not familiar with
> either, then you will do poorly.
>
> any conclusions based on intelligence tests, particularly when juxtaposed
> with salaries and then grouped by state, is severely misleading right from
> the get go.
Fully agree -- the thing was a bad argument to begin
with. :)
Bill
TobusRex
The Enlightenment
> The Enlightenment wrote:
> >
> > sblack...@yahoo.ca (Simon Blackstone) wrote in message news:<34339455.02120...@posting.google.com>...
> > > > (9) Illinois...........................104 $21,608 Herc...@pcstarnet.com (Robert Calvert) wrote in message news:<a3cd6a89.02112...@posting.google.com>...
> > > > Here it is in case anybody ever wondered. Here's the average IQ by
> > > > state according to the Ravens APM; the most accurate measure of innate
> > > > intelligence in my opinion:
> > > >
> > > > Average income by state; source: '94 World
> > > > Almanac:
> > > >
> > > I find it incredible to believe that nobody else raised this
> > > point but what your source for the IQ scores of the states.
> > >
> > > Simon Blackstone
> >
> > They might be fabricated and misrepresented.
> >
> > However what does that tell us?
> >
> > Hispanics and blacks have lower tested IQs (92 and 85 respectively) to
>
> Relative to what standard? You *are* aware, I presume,
> that there *is* no such thing as a standard "IQ,"
> correct? So much for your posits. <evil grin>
You should have typed <insipid grin>
The tests are all the same and based on the US natinal longitudinal
survey.
See Herrenstein and Murrays "The Bell Cruve" for a start.
Or check this out:
http://fp.rlynn.plus.com/pages/articles.htm
IQ tests can be 'calibrated' aginst each other as well to'normailise'
them to the mean white IQ of 100.
LLX
> Here it is in case anybody ever wondered. Here's the average IQ by
> state according to the Ravens APM; the most accurate measure of innate
> intelligence in my opinion:
>
> Average income by state; source: '94 World
> Almanac:
>
> (2) Massachusetts..............111 $24,059 Gore
> (3) New Jersey..................111 $26,457 Gore
> (4) New York....................109 $23,534 Gore
> (5) Rhode Island................107 $20,299 Gore
> (46) South Carolina..............89 $15,989 Bush
> (47) Wyoming......................89 $17,423 Bush
> (48) Idaho............................87 $16,067 Bush
> (49) Utah.............................87 $15,325 Bush
> (50) Mississippi....................85 $14,088 Bush
>
> In the next column, I drew my inspiration from the book "IQ and the
> Wealth of Nations" and turned it into IQ and the Wealth of States. The
> column on the right (including all it's implications) is self
> explanatory. :-)
Just athought... Could this explain why Bush is treating education so
badly, giving it no money, coming up with bizarre new ideas that
clearly won't work...
Simon
LLXSDG
bnichols
> > The Enlightenment wrote:
> > >
> > > sblack...@yahoo.ca (Simon Blackstone) wrote in message news:<34339455.02120...@posting.google.com>...
> > > > > (9) Illinois...........................104 $21,608 Herc...@pcstarnet.com (Robert Calvert) wrote in message news:<a3cd6a89.02112...@posting.google.com>...
> > > > > Here it is in case anybody ever wondered. Here's the average IQ by
> > > > > state according to the Ravens APM; the most accurate measure of innate
> > > > > intelligence in my opinion:
> > > > >
> > > > > Average income by state; source: '94 World
> > > > > Almanac:
> > > > >
> > > > I find it incredible to believe that nobody else raised this
> > > > point but what your source for the IQ scores of the states.
> > > >
> > > > Simon Blackstone
> > >
> > > They might be fabricated and misrepresented.
> > >
> > > However what does that tell us?
> > >
> > > Hispanics and blacks have lower tested IQs (92 and 85 respectively) to
> >
> > Relative to what standard? You *are* aware, I presume,
> > that there *is* no such thing as a standard "IQ,"
> > correct? So much for your posits. <evil grin>
>
> You should have typed <insipid grin>
Nope, don't think so, although you may have wanted me to. }:)
>
> The tests are all the same and based on the US natinal longitudinal
> survey.
> See Herrenstein and Murrays "The Bell Cruve" for a start.
> Or check this out:
> http://fp.rlynn.plus.com/pages/articles.htm
Nope, IQ tests are all different. If they were all
the same, then each test (whether Cattell, S-B, Otis,
or whichever) would have the same score. And quite
obviously they don't. ;)
People with real qualifications in the field have
determined that IQ tests are in fact *not* all the same.
If they were, the 98th %-ile scores would not vary as much
as they do. For more correct info than the known specious
"Bell Curve", go here:
http://www.us.mensa.org/join_mensa/testscores.php3
These scores all represent the 98th %-ile on their
respective tests; you'll notice that even on those that
claim an "IQ score," the variance is as much as 18 points.
On a baseline scale of 100 that is a quite significant
statistical difference. QED, the tests are not "all the
same and based on the US natinal longitudinal survey."
Nice try, but no cigar. <eg>
>
> IQ tests can be 'calibrated' aginst each other as well to'normailise'
> them to the mean white IQ of 100.
Even if they can be, the "proof" you gave above is
incorrect & irrelevant. }:)
B
John Tibbs
A CLEAR thought. Since socialism is tried over and over again by the
left and has never worked. I never heard Bush recommend that. People
who maintain it will work are those who forget history only to repeat
it. Now THAT's bizarre.
jt
>
> Simon
> LLXSDG
I hate spam
enough to provide a positive correlation such as the one you suggest.
Positive correlation is a calculation was taught in basic statistics in my
college, and I'm sure it was taught in yours.
You may not want to post this kind of crap to the rec.org. mensa, since most
of the people reading are probably smart enough to have figured this out
already.