Re: Man accidentally deletes his entire company

[Jeremy Bentham]

In article <61c3067379b956ef...@dizum.com>
Nomen Nescio <nob...@dizum.com> wrote:
>
> The 'rm -rf *' scourge.
>
> <http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/man-accidentally-deletes-his-entire-company-with-one-line-of-bad-code-a6984256.html>

If he was running Windows, dumb stuff like that wouldn't happen.

[Mr. Man-wai Chang]

On 15/04/2016 7:15 AM, Jeremy Bentham wrote:
>
> If he was running Windows, dumb stuff like that wouldn't happen.
>

No... Right click a non-OS drive then hit Format! :)

An Admin level Command Prompt can do DEL *.* /S!

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[Big Bad Bob]

On 04/14/16 16:15, Jeremy Bentham so wittily quipped:

format C: - ever done THAT ?

[Omar]

No. At least not unintentionally.
Linux users aren't very bright though. They take pride in finding the
absolute most convoluted method for accomplishing what is trivial.

In this case the moron Linux user had a success rate of 100 percent.
Mission accomplished.

[Mr. Man-wai Chang]

On 15/04/2016 8:38 AM, Omar wrote:
>
> No. At least not unintentionally.
> Linux users aren't very bright though. They take pride in finding the
> absolute most convoluted method for accomplishing what is trivial.
>
> In this case the moron Linux user had a success rate of 100 percent.
> Mission accomplished.
>

That's because the user was not warned of the danger. By default, rm
doesn't ask for confirmation, which was changed in Window$. :)

[Big Bad Bob]

On 04/14/16 17:38, Omar so wittily quipped:

> On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 17:23:10 -0700, Big Bad Bob wrote:
>
>> On 04/14/16 16:15, Jeremy Bentham so wittily quipped:
>>> In article <61c3067379b956ef...@dizum.com>
>>> Nomen Nescio <nob...@dizum.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The 'rm -rf *' scourge.
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/man-accidentally-deletes-his-entire-company-with-one-line-of-bad-code-a6984256.html>
>>>
>>> If he was running Windows, dumb stuff like that wouldn't happen.
>>>
>>
>> format C: - ever done THAT ?
>
> No. At least not unintentionally.
> Linux users aren't very bright though. They take pride in finding the
> absolute most convoluted method for accomplishing what is trivial.

wow you must know *EVERY* *ONE* *OF* *THEM*!

NOT

[Big Bad Bob]

On 04/14/16 17:45, Mr. Man-wai Chang so wittily quipped:

> On 15/04/2016 8:38 AM, Omar wrote:
>>
>> No. At least not unintentionally.
>> Linux users aren't very bright though. They take pride in finding the
>> absolute most convoluted method for accomplishing what is trivial.
>>
>> In this case the moron Linux user had a success rate of 100 percent.
>> Mission accomplished.
>>
>
> That's because the user was not warned of the danger. By default, rm
> doesn't ask for confirmation, which was changed in Window$. :)
>

yes, those UAC "allow" prompts are SO comforting... NOT

reminds me of one of those Mac vs PC commercials during the 'Vista' era.

[Mr. Man-wai Chang]

On 15/04/2016 9:03 AM, Big Bad Bob wrote:
>
> yes, those UAC "allow" prompts are SO comforting... NOT

The UAC prompt would not pop up if you were doing things in your own
account. UAC protects the Administrator's stuff.

> reminds me of one of those Mac vs PC commercials during the 'Vista' era.

I didn't follow this one. Never a Mac fan. :)

[Cornelis Tromp]

In article <er6dnbrCDrAaqY3K...@earthlink.com>

That's kids stuff. What you want is ECHO y | FORMAT C:.

[Ed Mullen]

On 4/14/2016 8:23 PM, Big Bad Bob's fingers rattled off:

The capability to do that has to exist. Should it ask more times than
once before it does. Yes, most likely. Still, you can only protect
people from themselves so much before you become a total nuisance.

Frankly, if I were trying to maintain my system and Windows wouldn't let
me do that command? I'd be totally pissed off.

It's MY system. If I want to format my system drive I MUST be able to
do it without undo jumping through hoops.

--
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http://edmullen.net/
Remember, amateurs built the ark, professionals built the Titanic.

[Ed Mullen]

On 4/14/2016 9:47 PM, Ed Mullen's fingers rattled off:

And, BTW, the first thing I do when buying a new system (with at least
an OEM Windows disc) is reformat the C: drive and reinstall Windows. I
don't want any so-called OEM recovery partitions or programs on my
computer. I probably know more about it than they do any way.

But, hey, I've been doing this since around 1980 and CP/M. I don't want
or need a "retail" solution to buying a PC. Unfortunately, it's
becoming more difficult to find that. To rebuild a Dell laptop from
scratch is a painful process in terms of finding the drivers and
utilities that let the laptop function.

In the case of the Dell, you can find, via Googling, the right drivers,
after a lot of work. And the file that tells you what order to install
all the crap in order to not screw up the whole thing. But it ain't
easy to find.

Stupid. Any desktop PC I've had over the decades has been very generic
in that regard. If I didn't travel I'd never buy another laptop. Every
one I've ever owned has had the same problem. Proprietary drivers and
such. A real pain in the ass. Whereas, every desktop system could be
wiped and re-installed from scratch and MS found and installed all the
right drivers. Laptops? NOT!

Oh well. It's a hobby. Hobbies are supposed to require work, right?

--
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http://edmullen.net/

Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside a dog, it's too
dark to read. - Groucho Marx

[William Unruh]

Yes. The operating system would do it for him.
I wonder if he had ever heard of backups?

>

[William Unruh]

On 2016-04-15, Mr. Man-wai Chang <toylet...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 15/04/2016 8:38 AM, Omar wrote:
>>
>> No. At least not unintentionally.
>> Linux users aren't very bright though. They take pride in finding the
>> absolute most convoluted method for accomplishing what is trivial.
>>
>> In this case the moron Linux user had a success rate of 100 percent.
>> Mission accomplished.
>>
>
> That's because the user was not warned of the danger. By default, rm
> doesn't ask for confirmation, which was changed in Window$. :)

Actually by default it does. /bin/rm -f does not.

>

[Richard Kettlewell]

Yes; he deleted those too.

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[Chris Ahlstrom]

Ed Mullen wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On 4/14/2016 9:47 PM, Ed Mullen's fingers rattled off:
>

> <snip for brevity>

>
> In the case of the Dell, you can find, via Googling, the right drivers,
> after a lot of work. And the file that tells you what order to install
> all the crap in order to not screw up the whole thing. But it ain't
> easy to find.
>
> Stupid. Any desktop PC I've had over the decades has been very generic
> in that regard. If I didn't travel I'd never buy another laptop. Every
> one I've ever owned has had the same problem. Proprietary drivers and
> such. A real pain in the ass. Whereas, every desktop system could be
> wiped and re-installed from scratch and MS found and installed all the
> right drivers. Laptops? NOT!
>
> Oh well. It's a hobby. Hobbies are supposed to require work, right?

No, hobbies are supposed to require *fun*. Hence, I use Linux (albeit in a
professional capacity as well).

Laptop rivers are actually less of an issue with Linux, since the kernel
is usually very up-to-date with all of the latest hardware and firmware.

There are often some minor sticking points, such as mapping functions to the
idiot keys (backlight control, touchpad control) that vendors seem to want
to use to differentiate themselves from other vendors. On this ASUS
laptop, some of those keys work out of the box. Others, I've had to remap
myself. But no missing drivers.

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Is that really YOU that is reading this?

[Omar]

On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 05:50:19 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> Ed Mullen wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On 4/14/2016 9:47 PM, Ed Mullen's fingers rattled off:
>>
>> <snip for brevity>
>>
>> In the case of the Dell, you can find, via Googling, the right drivers,
>> after a lot of work. And the file that tells you what order to install
>> all the crap in order to not screw up the whole thing. But it ain't
>> easy to find.
>>
>> Stupid. Any desktop PC I've had over the decades has been very generic
>> in that regard. If I didn't travel I'd never buy another laptop. Every
>> one I've ever owned has had the same problem. Proprietary drivers and
>> such. A real pain in the ass. Whereas, every desktop system could be
>> wiped and re-installed from scratch and MS found and installed all the
>> right drivers. Laptops? NOT!
>>
>> Oh well. It's a hobby. Hobbies are supposed to require work, right?
>
> No, hobbies are supposed to require *fun*. Hence, I use Linux (albeit in a
> professional capacity as well).

1. Linux is a great hobby. You can spend hours, weeks, months trying
to make Linux work. Excellent way to avoid yard work.

2. You earn your living with Windows. Take away the Windows portion
and you would have no job. Take away what Little you use Linux for in
your employment and your productivity would increase 100 percent or
more.

> Laptop rivers are actually less of an issue with Linux, since the kernel
> is usually very up-to-date with all of the latest hardware and firmware.

Has Linux finally fixed suspend, hibernate, power management yet?

> There are often some minor sticking points, such as mapping functions to the
> idiot keys (backlight control, touchpad control) that vendors seem to want
> to use to differentiate themselves from other vendors. On this ASUS
> laptop, some of those keys work out of the box. Others, I've had to remap
> myself. But no missing drivers.

Those aren't "sticking points" as you call them.
They are features that you paid for and that work 100 percent out of
the box. At least as along as you aren't using Linux of course.

Linux is like buying a car loaded with options and then learning only
1/2 of what you paid for actually works.

[Silver Slimer]

On 2016-04-15 8:31 AM, Omar wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 05:50:19 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> Ed Mullen wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> On 4/14/2016 9:47 PM, Ed Mullen's fingers rattled off:
>>>
>>> <snip for brevity>
>>>
>>> In the case of the Dell, you can find, via Googling, the right drivers,
>>> after a lot of work. And the file that tells you what order to install
>>> all the crap in order to not screw up the whole thing. But it ain't
>>> easy to find.
>>>
>>> Stupid. Any desktop PC I've had over the decades has been very generic
>>> in that regard. If I didn't travel I'd never buy another laptop. Every
>>> one I've ever owned has had the same problem. Proprietary drivers and
>>> such. A real pain in the ass. Whereas, every desktop system could be
>>> wiped and re-installed from scratch and MS found and installed all the
>>> right drivers. Laptops? NOT!
>>>
>>> Oh well. It's a hobby. Hobbies are supposed to require work, right?
>>
>> No, hobbies are supposed to require *fun*. Hence, I use Linux (albeit in a
>> professional capacity as well).
>
> 1. Linux is a great hobby. You can spend hours, weeks, months trying
> to make Linux work. Excellent way to avoid yard work.

I would rather do yard work. At least it rewards you with vegetables, a
nice-looking grass or beautiful flowers. Linux only rewards you with
mediocrity.

> 2. You earn your living with Windows. Take away the Windows portion
> and you would have no job. Take away what Little you use Linux for in
> your employment and your productivity would increase 100 percent or
> more.

Windows creates employment, Linux creates problems.

>> Laptop rivers are actually less of an issue with Linux, since the kernel
>> is usually very up-to-date with all of the latest hardware and firmware.
>
> Has Linux finally fixed suspend, hibernate, power management yet?

ROFL, no. It's coming... in 30 years.

>> There are often some minor sticking points, such as mapping functions to the
>> idiot keys (backlight control, touchpad control) that vendors seem to want
>> to use to differentiate themselves from other vendors. On this ASUS
>> laptop, some of those keys work out of the box. Others, I've had to remap
>> myself. But no missing drivers.
>
> Those aren't "sticking points" as you call them.
> They are features that you paid for and that work 100 percent out of
> the box. At least as along as you aren't using Linux of course.
>
> Linux is like buying a car loaded with options and then learning only
> 1/2 of what you paid for actually works.

Like a Chrysler.


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The silver-tongued heel

[Anonymous]

"Mr Marsala confirmed that the code had even deleted all of the backups that he had taken in case of catastrophe. Because the drives
that were backing up the computers were mounted to it, the computer managed to wipe all of those, too."

[Roger Blake]

On 2016-04-15, Richard Kettlewell <r...@greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> Yes; he deleted those too.

It's pretty reckless to operate a business and have no offline or offsite
backups. On the servers I administer, backup drives are mounted when
the backup takes place and then immediately dismounted to make them less
vulnerable. (On Windows systems the backup drives are taken offline after
the backup completes.) Backups drives are taken periodically offsite,
and encrypted cloud-based backups is also increasingly being employed.

I feel bad for the guy, but really his biggest mistake was a poor backup
strategy. It is also best to avoid using dangerous commands like "rm -rf"
in a script, and if you're going to use it you quadruple-check its operation
in a test environment before deployment.

The Windows "RD /S /Q <Drive Letter>:<Path>" command should be similarly
avoided to prevent a typo from accidentally wiping entire data drives.

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[Roger Blake]

On 2016-04-15, Omar <omars...@linuxmail.org> wrote:
> 1. Linux is a great hobby. You can spend hours, weeks, months trying
> to make Linux work. Excellent way to avoid yard work.

I currently do all my own work on Linux systems and have been doing so with
Unix-type systems for nearly 40 years.

> 2. You earn your living with Windows. Take away the Windows portion
> and you would have no job.

Speak for yourself. Take away Windows and I'd go on making a nice
living administering Linux and Unix servers. (For me Windows is just
a sideline.)

You might also want to talk to this little backwater hole-in-the-wall
company called "Google" about how useless Linux is, put them back
on the right path so maybe they have a chance to make something of
themselves.

[Richard Kettlewell]

Roger Blake <rogb...@iname.invalid> writes:
> On 2016-04-15, Richard Kettlewell <r...@greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>> Yes; he deleted those too.
>
> It's pretty reckless to operate a business and have no offline or
> offsite backups. On the servers I administer, backup drives are
> mounted when the backup takes place and then immediately dismounted to
> make them less vulnerable.

That’s what he was doing, too. The backups were offsite and, most of
the time, offline (at least with respect to the system backed up). The
bug was in his backup script.

--
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[Omar]

On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 13:49:22 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake wrote:

> On 2016-04-15, Omar <omars...@linuxmail.org> wrote:
>> 1. Linux is a great hobby. You can spend hours, weeks, months trying
>> to make Linux work. Excellent way to avoid yard work.
>
> I currently do all my own work on Linux systems and have been doing so with
> Unix-type systems for nearly 40 years.

Good for you.
I was referring specifically to Chris Ahlstrom, AKA Little Beaver.

>> 2. You earn your living with Windows. Take away the Windows portion
>> and you would have no job.
>
> Speak for yourself. Take away Windows and I'd go on making a nice
> living administering Linux and Unix servers. (For me Windows is just
> a sideline.)

Good for you.
I was referring specifically to Chris Ahlstrom, AKA Little Beaver.

> You might also want to talk to this little backwater hole-in-the-wall
> company called "Google" about how useless Linux is, put them back
> on the right path so maybe they have a chance to make something of
> themselves.

Good for Google. They are no doubt one of the best invaders of privacy
to ever exist.
I was referring specifically to Chris Ahlstrom, AKA Little Beaver.

[Roger Blake]

On 2016-04-15, Richard Kettlewell <r...@greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> That’s what he was doing, too. The backups were offsite and, most of
> the time, offline (at least with respect to the system backed up). The
> bug was in his backup script.

Sounds like he did not do adequate testing before deployment, and did
not check results until multiple backups were destroyed.

That's also why you use multiple backup techniques. Today, encrypted
cloud-based backup is very cheap and is a good backup to your
local backups.

[chrisv]

Roger Blake wrote:

> mentally-ill troll wrote:
>>
>> 2. You earn your living with Windows. Take away the Windows portion
>> and you would have no job.
>
>Speak for yourself. Take away Windows and I'd go on making a nice
>living administering Linux and Unix servers. (For me Windows is just
>a sideline.)

Ignore the "Omar"/"Flatfish" troll. In it's deranged mind, there's
something wrong with preferring Linux, and normally using Linux, but
accepting Windows-related work.

No idiocy or lie is too ridiculous, if it's an attack upon a FOSS
advocate.

>You might also want to talk to this little backwater hole-in-the-wall
>company called "Google" about how useless Linux is, put them back
>on the right path so maybe they have a chance to make something of
>themselves.

But Microsoft still dominates "the desktop", the troll reminds us
(literally *thousands* of times, over the years).

--
"Tell us again how you use Windows during the day to make an income
turd." - "Hadron", taking his best shot

[Roger Blake]

On 2016-04-15, Omar <omars...@linuxmail.org> wrote:
> I was referring specifically to Chris Ahlstrom, AKA Little Beaver.

Sounded more like a general proclamation, but if you were referring
to a specific person he can speak for himself.

[Omar]

On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 14:04:02 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake wrote:

> On 2016-04-15, Omar <omars...@linuxmail.org> wrote:
>> I was referring specifically to Chris Ahlstrom, AKA Little Beaver.
>
> Sounded more like a general proclamation, but if you were referring
> to a specific person he can speak for himself.

NP.
Use the best solution that works for you.

[Chris Ahlstrom]

Roger Blake wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On 2016-04-15, Omar <omars...@linuxmail.org> wrote:
>> I was referring specifically to Chris Ahlstrom, AKA Little Beaver.
>
> Sounded more like a general proclamation, but if you were referring
> to a specific person he can speak for himself.

He's just seeding Google with out-of-context material. I gave up that CB
handle when I gave up citizen's band radio. That is, in high school.

Besides, I do almost all of my job using a nice, powerful Linux laptop.
Only need Windows (in a VM) for testing and certain stupid training apps.

Trolls like "Omar" seem to have an issue with people using and liking
alternatives to Windows.

--
Q: Why is Christmas just like a day at the office?
A: You do all of the work and the fat guy in the suit
gets all the credit.

[Roger Blake]

On 2016-04-15, chrisv <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> Ignore the "Omar"/"Flatfish" troll. In it's deranged mind, there's
> something wrong with preferring Linux, and normally using Linux, but
> accepting Windows-related work.

That's pretty much the way I work. The bulk of my work involves Linux
and BSD, but I accept Windows-related work as well. My work is primarily
with servers and infrastructure and the choice of OS is driven by what
is required on the back end.

I do know that it's best not to feed the trolls, but somtimes they
make statements that are so utterly ludicrous and so contrary to experience
that it's easy to forget that rule. It's like they're screaming at the
top of their lungs that the sky is really purple with pink polka-dots
and anyone claiming it is blue is a mindless, drooling, lying fanboy of
blue skies.

> But Microsoft still dominates "the desktop", the troll reminds us
> (literally *thousands* of times, over the years).

Due to the proliferation of Windows-based business applications, Windows
is fine for desktop use in the vast majority of cases. You run the
OS required by the applications that you need. In my own case there's
nothing offered by Windows that I need so I don't use it.

For better or worse, Linux has pretty much taken over most areas of
computing other than the traditional desktop. The trolls screaming
loudest about how useless Linux is probably use Google Search (all
running on Linux servers), watch TV on a Linux-powered flat screen,
print to a Linux-based printer, make copies on a Linux-based copier,
and connect to the internet through a Linux-based router to pull up web
sites running on Linux servers. But still to them the sky is purple
with pink polka-dots.

[Desk Rabbit]

On 15/04/2016 14:41, Roger Blake wrote:
> On 2016-04-15, Richard Kettlewell <r...@greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>> Yes; he deleted those too.
>
> It's pretty reckless to operate a business and have no offline or offsite
> backups. On the servers I administer, backup drives are mounted when
> the backup takes place and then immediately dismounted to make them less
> vulnerable. (On Windows systems the backup drives are taken offline after
> the backup completes.) Backups drives are taken periodically offsite,
> and encrypted cloud-based backups is also increasingly being employed.

I think that was the point, his error was in his backup script I
believe. He had his backups mounted and they got vaped.

The built in Windows server backup makes the drive invisible to the
user, it can only be written from the backup program.

Microsoft 1, Linux -100

[Roger Blake]

On 2016-04-15, Desk Rabbit <m...@example.com> wrote:
> I think that was the point, his error was in his backup script I
> believe. He had his backups mounted and they got vaped.

If he had checked the results by running the script in a test environment
first he would not have "vaped" his live backups.

> The built in Windows server backup makes the drive invisible to the
> user, it can only be written from the backup program.

There are MANY ways to backup Linux systems. They do not necessarily
involve having to write custom scripts. The problem this guy ran into
has has less to do with the operating system and more to do with his
choice of backup method and lack of proper testing before deployment on
a production system.

> Microsoft 1, Linux -100

What color is the sky in your world? Purple with pink polka dots?

[Mark Lloyd]

On 04/14/2016 07:45 PM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

[snip]

> That's because the user was not warned of the danger. By default, rm
> doesn't ask for confirmation, which was changed in Window$. :)
>

I find those confirmations to have minuscule value. They're mostly an
impediment when you want to do something.

I remember a text editor (one place where "command line" is not such a
good thing), where the normal exit command was "E". "Q" would let you
exit without saving (useful if you made a big mistake). It would ask
"Are You Sure?(y/N)" (note the NO default). I just learned the quit
command was "QY" instead of "Q", so the confirmation was of no use at all.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"Meaning is a human construct, and therefore I can assign life whatever
meaning I wish." - Peter Berger, in aa

[Big Al]

On 04/14/2016 07:15 PM, Jeremy Bentham wrote:
> In article <61c3067379b956ef...@dizum.com>
> Nomen Nescio <nob...@dizum.com> wrote:
>>
>> The 'rm -rf *' scourge.
>>
>> <http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/man-accidentally-deletes-his-entire-company-with-one-line-of-bad-code-a6984256.html>
>
> If he was running Windows, dumb stuff like that wouldn't happen.
>

We used to love doing that when a client would discontinue the use of a
PC. Just fun the first time to see Unix choke. :-)

[Mark Lloyd]

On 04/14/2016 08:47 PM, Ed Mullen wrote:

[snip]

> It's MY system. If I want to format my system drive I MUST be able to
> do it without undo jumping through hoops.
>

Once I had a game program with no real exit. What looked like an exit
command would give you an "Are you sure?". Answering Y led to "Are you
really sure?". Y again gave "Are you really really sure?". Y again kept
adding "reallys" until it got to 255 "reallys", then "Do you want to
continue the game?". Answering N started this all over.

[Mark Lloyd]

On 04/14/2016 09:03 PM, Ed Mullen wrote:

[snip]

> And, BTW, the first thing I do when buying a new system (with at least
> an OEM Windows disc) is reformat the C: drive and reinstall Windows. I
> don't want any so-called OEM recovery partitions or programs on my
> computer. I probably know more about it than they do any way.

I've always done my own OS installation too. All of my home (not laptop)
PCs are those I've put together myself.

BTW, I did have one that made it difficult. IIRC, a Toshiba Satellite
laptop I was fixing for a friend. It came with Windows 8 (plus crapware)
on it, and my friend definitely did NOT want that. That system had
firmware that made it really hard to boot anything but Windows 8.

[Mark Lloyd]

On 04/15/2016 02:46 AM, William Unruh wrote:

[snip]

> Yes. The operating system would do it for him.
> I wonder if he had ever heard of backups?

Even a several-months-old backup would be better than nothing.

[Mark Lloyd]

On 04/15/2016 02:54 AM, Richard Kettlewell wrote:

[snip]

>> Yes. The operating system would do it for him.
>> I wonder if he had ever heard of backups?
>
> Yes; he deleted those too.
>

So none of the backups were offline. At least one complete backup should
be at all times. Even during backup (that is, have TWO devices).

[Mark Lloyd]

On 04/15/2016 04:50 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

[snip]

> No, hobbies are supposed to require *fun*. Hence, I use Linux (albeit in a
> professional capacity as well).
>
> Laptop rivers are actually less of an issue with Linux, since the kernel
> is usually very up-to-date with all of the latest hardware and firmware.
>
> There are often some minor sticking points, such as mapping functions to the
> idiot keys (backlight control, touchpad control) that vendors seem to want
> to use to differentiate themselves from other vendors. On this ASUS
> laptop, some of those keys work out of the box. Others, I've had to remap
> myself. But no missing drivers.
>

I have Linux on most of my computers. The only things I need to add
drivers for are a couple of printers and one WiFi adapter (802.11ac).
Even the cameras in the laptops work (using a Linux program called
"cheese").

[Mark Lloyd]

On 04/15/2016 07:31 AM, Omar wrote:

[sip]

> Has Linux finally fixed suspend, hibernate, power management yet?

I just tried the new (16.04) Lubuntu. Suspend seems to be working OK
(just tried on one PC so far).

As to "power management", would you be referring to closing the lid
always locking the screen? I just found a fix for that.

I'm not sure about hibernate yet.

[snip]

[EGK]

On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 13:04:04 -0500, Mark Lloyd <n...@mail.invalid> wrote:

>On 04/15/2016 02:46 AM, William Unruh wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>> Yes. The operating system would do it for him.
>> I wonder if he had ever heard of backups?
>
>Even a several-months-old backup would be better than nothing.

This whole story is apparently just a big hoax. The only place I can find
that actually states that is an online italian paper that you need to
translate. What saddens me most about this is it shows how the whole web
has become nothing but a giant tabloid as far as news is concerned. Most
all the stories are just reprinting the original hoax story and they don't
fact check it at all.

http://www.repubblica.it/tecnologia/2016/04/15/news/cancella_l_azienda_per_sbaglio_la_disavventura_tecnologica_di_marco_marsala-137693154/?ref=twhr&timestamp=1460722285000&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

http://goo.gl/m9yCZe shorter link

'' The command that I mentioned in the article is harmless but it seems that
almost no one has noticed '', responds candidly Marsala when we ask what is
the specific technique that makes the lethal string of code. And he
concludes: '' With the inaccuracies that are there in the online comments I
write a book. '' But why did he do? It is a guerrilla marketing operation, a
'faux pas' invented out of whole cloth just '' to advertise my startup where
we offer outsourced server management services '', this is the author's
version that reveals: '' I am also writing a book on Unix for Dummies Horror
Stories and anyway that fact really happened to someone I know, but years
ago, there was an article in the newspaper ''. If it really happened,
happened '' before 2006 ' ', explains Marsala. Indeed, since if the string
is not added to the specific command -no preserve the Unix system takes care
to warn the user of the correct syntax avoiding disaster. The addition in
question in fact tells the system to behave in a destructive manner. But
according to Marsala's more: '' The Ansible tool with which I destroyed
while 1535 server - adds - prevents these errors. Almost every serious
administrator uses it, but among those who answered no one seems to know,
otherwise they would know that what I have described can not happen ''. Yet
history, between marketing and viral post, he has been around the world by
building around the main character an air of mystery that is inspiring the
irony of the Network. It is lapidary relief received '' hot '' from Marsala
by a Users who like many had taken the problem seriously: '' called an ''
attorney to resolve the problem do not need a technician.

[Silver Slimer]

On 2016-04-15 2:16 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
> On 04/15/2016 07:31 AM, Omar wrote:
>
> [sip]
>
>> Has Linux finally fixed suspend, hibernate, power management yet?
>
> I just tried the new (16.04) Lubuntu. Suspend seems to be working OK
> (just tried on one PC so far).
>
> As to "power management", would you be referring to closing the lid
> always locking the screen? I just found a fix for that.
>
> I'm not sure about hibernate yet.
>
> [snip]

In other words, it doesn't work by default but you have a way to make it
functional. To me, that's unacceptable. Every other operating system has
it running from the very beginning.

[sbd]

The best solution for you is goats, isn't it Omar? does that work well
for you?

[JEDIDIAH]

On 2016-04-15, Roger Blake <rogb...@iname.invalid> wrote:
> On 2016-04-15, Omar <omars...@linuxmail.org> wrote:
>> 1. Linux is a great hobby. You can spend hours, weeks, months trying
>> to make Linux work. Excellent way to avoid yard work.
>
> I currently do all my own work on Linux systems and have been doing so with
> Unix-type systems for nearly 40 years.
>
>> 2. You earn your living with Windows. Take away the Windows portion
>> and you would have no job.
>
> Speak for yourself. Take away Windows and I'd go on making a nice
> living administering Linux and Unix servers. (For me Windows is just
> a sideline.)

Agreed.

I started out in computing using things other than Microsoft because
the Microsoft options were all too primitive. Then Microsoft managed to
come to dominate small scale computing and drove off all of the other
options. For a brief moment I relented and decided to give up and go with
the monopoly. That lasted for about all of 5 minutes. I pretty much
immediately started seeking out an alternative.

My work has never required Microsoft systems or software.

My home computing does not require Microsoft systems or software.

[Roger Blake]

On 2016-04-15, Mark Lloyd <n...@mail.invalid> wrote:
> So none of the backups were offline. At least one complete backup should
> be at all times. Even during backup (that is, have TWO devices).

That to me is the craziest thing - what experienced sysadmin, whether
running Linux, BSD, Windows, OS-X, or whatever, is going to let loose
an untested script that contains a potentially destructive command,
presumably running with root privileges, without having at least one
full backup offline? It just doesn't make sense.

[Omar]

On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 10:19:11 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> Roger Blake wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On 2016-04-15, Omar <omars...@linuxmail.org> wrote:
>>> I was referring specifically to Chris Ahlstrom, AKA Little Beaver.
>>
>> Sounded more like a general proclamation, but if you were referring
>> to a specific person he can speak for himself.
>
> He's just seeding Google with out-of-context material. I gave up that CB
> handle when I gave up citizen's band radio. That is, in high school.

Seeding Google?
What's that?

So you used the CB handle "Little Beaver" when you were high school
age?
That's even more pathetic!

> Besides, I do almost all of my job using a nice, powerful Linux laptop.
> Only need Windows (in a VM) for testing and certain stupid training apps.

And earning your living.

Do you deny that you posted a comment regarding your home and calling
it "the house that Windows built"?
Do you deny that?

And for that matter do you deny posting comments about men's pee pee,
Mad Magazine, USB keys looking like a penis, your wife giving you a
$20 per week allowance that you had to beg for, and a whole host of
other very embarrassing things including personal information about
yourself?

Do you deny that?

Was that someone just making the stuff up and using your name?

Do you deny posting under your real name, Chris Ahlstrom?

Why don't you man up and admit you posted all that very strange and
very personal, private data yourself and now like the wuss you are you
don't like it when others search and find it.

And like I said in another message if that wasn't you posting all of
that then you have my apology as well as my condolences.

> Trolls like "Omar" seem to have an issue with people using and liking
> alternatives to Windows.

No we don't
Stop lying already.

We take issue with pathological liars like you Chris Ahlstrom.
Just like most people would.

The ball is in your court Little Beaver Chris Ahlstrom.
You can swing for the fences or you can run away and cry your eyes out
like a five year old.

Your choice.

[Chris Ahlstrom]

vallor wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 09:06:44 -0500, chrisv wrote:
>
>> Roger Blake wrote:
>>
>>> mentally-ill troll wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 2. You earn your living with Windows. Take away the Windows portion
>>>> and you would have no job.
>>>
>>>Speak for yourself. Take away Windows and I'd go on making a nice living
>>>administering Linux and Unix servers. (For me Windows is just a
>>>sideline.)
>>
>> Ignore the "Omar"/"Flatfish" troll. In it's deranged mind, there's
>> something wrong with preferring Linux, and normally using Linux, but
>> accepting Windows-related work.
>>
>> No idiocy or lie is too ridiculous, if it's an attack upon a FOSS
>> advocate.
>>
>>>You might also want to talk to this little backwater hole-in-the-wall
>>>company called "Google" about how useless Linux is, put them back on the
>>>right path so maybe they have a chance to make something of themselves.
>>
>> But Microsoft still dominates "the desktop", the troll reminds us
>> (literally *thousands* of times, over the years).
>

> At least the trolls have stopped bitching about "setting up printers".
>
> Thanks to CUPS.

And fonts. Thanks to infinality.

And wireless.

And video.

Audio, though they try to tell you Linux has more APIs for audio/media
than Windows :-D

--
Abandon the search for Truth; settle for a good fantasy.

[Omar]

On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 19:17:10 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> vallor wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 09:06:44 -0500, chrisv wrote:
>>
>>> Roger Blake wrote:
>>>
>>>> mentally-ill troll wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. You earn your living with Windows. Take away the Windows portion
>>>>> and you would have no job.
>>>>
>>>>Speak for yourself. Take away Windows and I'd go on making a nice living
>>>>administering Linux and Unix servers. (For me Windows is just a
>>>>sideline.)
>>>
>>> Ignore the "Omar"/"Flatfish" troll. In it's deranged mind, there's
>>> something wrong with preferring Linux, and normally using Linux, but
>>> accepting Windows-related work.
>>>
>>> No idiocy or lie is too ridiculous, if it's an attack upon a FOSS
>>> advocate.
>>>
>>>>You might also want to talk to this little backwater hole-in-the-wall
>>>>company called "Google" about how useless Linux is, put them back on the
>>>>right path so maybe they have a chance to make something of themselves.
>>>
>>> But Microsoft still dominates "the desktop", the troll reminds us
>>> (literally *thousands* of times, over the years).
>>
>> At least the trolls have stopped bitching about "setting up printers".
>>
>> Thanks to CUPS.
>
> And fonts. Thanks to infinality.

They still suck.

> And wireless.

Much better but not 100 percent fixed.

> And video.

Performance is less than Windows boxes.
And it's a PITA to set up especially multiple monitors.

> Audio, though they try to tell you Linux has more APIs for audio/media
> than Windows :-D

Interesting. Searching under your name and the bloated one vallor
produces this recent post:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/comp.os.linux.advocacy/1FqE15r4B1M/fulMMpzfHwAJ

"Took about 15 minutes to get working, once I was pointed at the
bugzilla
ticket for the issue.

Turns out the Creative ca0132 codec has trouble with varying
implementations, but using a codec with more generic HDA capabilities
works -- albeit without the DSP features."

So with Linux, sound really doesn't work.

You've fucked up again Little Beaver Chris Ahlstrom.
Why do you lie so much?
Trying to impress the other Linux losers?

[sbd]

On 04/15/2016 07:43 PM, Omar wrote:
>
> Seeding Google?
> What's that?
>

That is like what you do to goats!

> That's even more pathetic!
>

How you enjoy goats is even more pathetic, when not on a plate.

[Anonymous]

In article <nerqk3$ffl$1...@dont-email.me>

[Ed Mullen]

On 4/15/2016 5:43 PM, vallor's fingers rattled off:

> We have over 400 (real, hardware) Linux servers at work.
>
> Can you imagine the nightmare of managing those if they were Windows?
> Even the licenses would be a huge pain.
>

Always amazes me. This is a Windows 10 newsgroup. Why are Linux people
even posting here? Nothing you say is going to make me use Linux. I
don't care about Linux, I care about W10, that's why I'm here.

You're just taking up bandwidth and not adding anything useful to the
purpose of this group.

Please! Stop posting. Go away!

--
Ed Mullen
http://edmullen.net/
I used to be clueless about math, but I turned that around 360 degrees.

[Ed Mullen]

On 4/15/2016 2:18 PM, EGK's fingers rattled off:

> On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 13:04:04 -0500, Mark Lloyd <n...@mail.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 04/15/2016 02:46 AM, William Unruh wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>> Yes. The operating system would do it for him.
>>> I wonder if he had ever heard of backups?
>>
>> Even a several-months-old backup would be better than nothing.
>
> This whole story is apparently just a big hoax.

I thought that too. I even (for a nano second) thought to investigate.
Then I thought, hell, it's still a great tale even if it's fake. I
liked it! :-D

--
Ed Mullen
http://edmullen.net/

Nothing says poor craftsmanship more than wrinkled duct tape.

[Omar]

Linux zealots are like the Jehovah Witnesses of the computer world.
They resemble that crooked preacher you see on late night TV asking
for donations so he can send you a prayer cloth.

A very nasty bunch.

> Nothing you say is going to make me use Linux.

You and 99 percent of the other computer users on earth.
Nothing in the modern computer realm is more of a turnoff than Linux.
Hell, Linux has been on earth for 21 years and they still can barely
give it away. That should be a warning to anyone considering trying

Linux.

> I
> don't care about Linux, I care about W10, that's why I'm here.

Windows 10 is awesome.
I am not thrilled with the privacy concerns though. Much of it is
blown out of proportion but even still. it shows arrogance on the part
of Microsoft.

Technically however it is a massively great operating system for
desktop users.

> You're just taking up bandwidth and not adding anything useful to the
> purpose of this group.

Sounds like Linux itself. Linux sucks up more time than a 2 dollar
whore sucks you know what.

> Please! Stop posting. Go away!

Linux zealots are like gadflies or cockroaches. You can never
eliminate them completely.
They hang around like shit stuck to your sneaker.

Last xpost. I will trim in the future out of respect for my fellow
Windows users.
If you want a real laugh though, come visit us in
comp.os.linux.advocacy.

Keep an eye out for a couple of Linux losers, Chris Ahlstrom and
William Poaster. Oh and wait until you get a sample of "7" who has
invented a modern day holodeck. I kid you not.

Peace

[owl]

In comp.os.linux.advocacy Mark Lloyd <n...@mail.invalid> wrote:
> On 04/14/2016 07:45 PM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> That's because the user was not warned of the danger. By default, rm
>> doesn't ask for confirmation, which was changed in Window$. :)
>>
>
> I find those confirmations to have minuscule value. They're mostly an
> impediment when you want to do something.
>
> I remember a text editor (one place where "command line" is not such a
> good thing),

sez you.

[Chris Ahlstrom]

Omar wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

>

You sir, are a bona fide k00k!

--
You will remember something that you should not have forgotten.

[Omar]

On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 20:36:58 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> Omar wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>>
>
> You sir, are a bona fide k00k!

And you are a snip and run whimp.
Why not man up and answer the questions.
After all, it was you, Chris Ahlstrom, who brought up what appears
when you do a Google search.

I and others merely pointed out the fact that you are responsible for
those odd statements about yourself.

But since you are an emasculated whimp you snip, call me and others a
kook and run away instead of facing directly the mess you have created
for yourself.

That is the very definition of a wuss, a whimp, a man-child.
That's you, Little Beaver Chris Ahlstrom.

[Amal Shookup]

On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 20:55:41 -0400, Omar <omars...@linuxmail.org>
wrote:

Fakey Clone?

[vallor]

Flatfish Gary Stewrat, a nymshifter that goes back 20 years in the group.

A one-trick pony that should have retired years ago -- but like all the
trolls, he has to get his USENET "fix". You can see the virtual needle
tracks going up and down his arms.

Identifiable by being stuck in a long-running rut of always making the
same complaints under different nyms, and being unable to shake its love
for 40tude_Dialog.

--
-v

[Anonymous]

In article <nes2c4$4k8$1...@dont-email.me>

[Omar]

A good guess but a wrong one.
You just like to cherry pick your data and then build your false
accusations around it.

I'll give you a hint. It's easy to suck you losers into thinking you
have identified a well known person in cola.

Flatfish: Fonts, printers,audio,music, ultra right wing politics
40Tude Dialog.
snit:screencasting, consistancy, liberal politics, Entourage.

BTW, you do realize it is trival to fake the User-Agent: string.
Especially using Linux.
Ask Peter Kohlmann. He gets it.

Watching you Linux losers spin your wheels making asses of yourself is
quite the entertainment.

[Amal Shookup]

oh ok

[Mark Lloyd]

On 04/15/2016 01:21 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:

> In other words, it doesn't work by default but you have a way to make it
> functional. To me, that's unacceptable. Every other operating system has
> it running from the very beginning.

That would assume that some OS is better than all others in EVERY way.
No such OS exists as yet.

[Snit]

On 4/15/16, 7:09 PM, in article nes6n3$cjp$1...@dont-email.me, "Omar"

I see this often. Anyone uses those terms and they are accused of being me
with knee-jerk mindlessness. Meanwhile I am accused of using socks even
though I have NEVER posted to COLA with any name other than "Snit."

When I note this, I am told it is a lie but no evidence is offered, then I
am told that this proves I am a liar in general.

It is all to move the topic away from Linux. Not even the herd is stupid
enough to really fall for that.

> BTW, you do realize it is trival to fake the User-Agent: string.
> Especially using Linux.
> Ask Peter Kohlmann. He gets it.
>
> Watching you Linux losers spin your wheels making asses of yourself is
> quite the entertainment.
>

--
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* Easy on OS X / Hard on Linux: <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk>
* OS / Word Processor Comparison: <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>

[Cornelis Tromp]

In article <dndiuv...@mid.individual.net>

vallor <val...@cultnix.org> wrote:
>
> On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 20:09:48 -0400, Ed Mullen wrote:

> > Always amazes me. This is a Windows 10 newsgroup. Why are Linux people
> > even posting here? Nothing you say is going to make me use Linux. I
> > don't care about Linux, I care about W10, that's why I'm here.
> >
> > You're just taking up bandwidth and not adding anything useful to the
> > purpose of this group.
> >
> > Please! Stop posting. Go away!
>

> I apologize -- I hadn't realized there was a win10 group stuck in the
> Newsgroups: list. It might have been apropos for the OP, but the thread
> drifted.
>
> Sorry about that. Followup set to remove win10 group.
>

Kindly remove the privacy group while you're at it.

[Omar]

They may not fall for it but that doesn't stop them from ganging up on
the person and making false accusations.
It's like a mob mentality.

[Omar]

I will do that.
Apologies.
Last xpost.

[Snit]

On 4/15/16, 7:59 PM, in article nes9kv$jvg$1...@dont-email.me, "Omar"

<omars...@linuxmail.org> wrote:

>>> Flatfish: Fonts, printers,audio,music, ultra right wing politics
>>> 40Tude Dialog.
>>> snit:screencasting, consistancy, liberal politics, Entourage.
>>
>> I see this often. Anyone uses those terms and they are accused of being me
>> with knee-jerk mindlessness. Meanwhile I am accused of using socks even
>> though I have NEVER posted to COLA with any name other than "Snit."
>>
>> When I note this, I am told it is a lie but no evidence is offered, then I
>> am told that this proves I am a liar in general.
>>
>> It is all to move the topic away from Linux. Not even the herd is stupid
>> enough to really fall for that.
>
> They may not fall for it but that doesn't stop them from ganging up on
> the person and making false accusations.
> It's like a mob mentality.

Like a, well, herd.

[Peter Köhlmann]

No. They are fine

>> And wireless.
>
> Much better but not 100 percent fixed.

Much better than windows though

>> And video.
>
> Performance is less than Windows boxes.

Nope. It is about the same. Forget your idiotic rants about X11.
Also, X11 performance is much higher than OSX Gui performance

> And it's a PITA to set up especially multiple monitors.

Yes. After all, you have to connect the second or third monitor
Thats it. Way over your head, obviously

[Silver Slimer]

On 2016-04-15 8:27 PM, Omar wrote:

< snip >

>> Always amazes me. This is a Windows 10 newsgroup. Why are Linux people
>> even posting here?
> Linux zealots are like the Jehovah Witnesses of the computer world.
> They resemble that crooked preacher you see on late night TV asking
> for donations so he can send you a prayer cloth.
>
> A very nasty bunch.

A prayer cloth is more valuable than Linux.

>> Nothing you say is going to make me use Linux.
>
> You and 99 percent of the other computer users on earth.
> Nothing in the modern computer realm is more of a turnoff than Linux.
> Hell, Linux has been on earth for 21 years and they still can barely
> give it away. That should be a warning to anyone considering trying
> Linux.

Linux is like herpes. Herpes is free too.

>> I
>> don't care about Linux, I care about W10, that's why I'm here.
>
> Windows 10 is awesome.
> I am not thrilled with the privacy concerns though. Much of it is
> blown out of proportion but even still. it shows arrogance on the part
> of Microsoft.
>
> Technically however it is a massively great operating system for
> desktop users.

Agreed. It works, it's fast and it is bundled with everything required
to make sure that it is secure.

>> You're just taking up bandwidth and not adding anything useful to the
>> purpose of this group.
>
> Sounds like Linux itself. Linux sucks up more time than a 2 dollar
> whore sucks you know what.
>
>> Please! Stop posting. Go away!
>
> Linux zealots are like gadflies or cockroaches. You can never
> eliminate them completely.
> They hang around like shit stuck to your sneaker.
>
> Last xpost. I will trim in the future out of respect for my fellow
> Windows users.
> If you want a real laugh though, come visit us in
> comp.os.linux.advocacy.
>
> Keep an eye out for a couple of Linux losers, Chris Ahlstrom and
> William Poaster. Oh and wait until you get a sample of "7" who has
> invented a modern day holodeck. I kid you not.
>
> Peace

7 is like Kreeger on Archer. He'll invent himself a holographic
girlfriend too.

--
Silver Slimer
The silver-tongued heel

[Silver Slimer]

On 2016-04-15 10:25 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
> On 04/15/2016 01:21 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:
>
>> In other words, it doesn't work by default but you have a way to make it
>> functional. To me, that's unacceptable. Every other operating system has
>> it running from the very beginning.
>
> That would assume that some OS is better than all others in EVERY way.
> No such OS exists as yet.

In every way? No. In most ways, yes. It's called Windows.

[Jack Ryan]

In article <netjef$2oc$1...@dont-email.me>

[Peter Köhlmann]

Yep. Nothing runs malware that easily and flawlessly

Otherwise it is quite shitty

[Nomen Nescio]

In article <netlt6$l60$1...@dont-email.me>

[Nomen Nescio]

In article <netjef$2oc$1...@dont-email.me>
Silver Slimer <ahlstrom's_ma...@void.ca> wrote:
>

[Jack Ryan]

In article <netjv8$8ec$1...@dont-email.me>

Silver Slimer <ahlstrom's_ma...@void.ca> wrote:
>

[Nomen Nescio]

On 16 Apr 2016, Peter =?UTF-8?B?S8O2aGxtYW5u?=
<peter-k...@t-online.de> posted some
news:netlt6$l60$1...@dont-email.me:

Lol. Some of my botnets are linux boxes because the people running them
are like Apple users. They believe they are immune from compromise.

The only problem? There aren't enough linux boxes to make hacking them
worth while. The easiest targets these days are Apple products and
their really dumb users who install anything and everything without a
single thought for safety.

Windows 10 is pretty tough. So far I have to reply on the stupidity of
users who will click something to get a multi-part payload installed.

Edge is s sucky browser but no obvious holes and google chrome screwed us
by dropping support for plugins. Adobe, Flash and Java are the biggest
whores in the house. No one single version exists that you can't
compromise in about 3 minutes.

[Nomen Nescio]

On 16 Apr 2016, Silver Slimer <ahlstrom's_ma...@void.ca> posted some
news:netjef$2oc$1...@dont-email.me:

> On 2016-04-15 8:27 PM, Omar wrote:
>
>< snip >
>
>>> Always amazes me. This is a Windows 10 newsgroup. Why are Linux
>>> people even posting here?
>> Linux zealots are like the Jehovah Witnesses of the computer world.
>> They resemble that crooked preacher you see on late night TV asking
>> for donations so he can send you a prayer cloth.
>>
>> A very nasty bunch.
>
> A prayer cloth is more valuable than Linux.

I wear a loin cloth when coding because my Linux computer gets so hot when
I touch it.

>
>>> Nothing you say is going to make me use Linux.
>>
>> You and 99 percent of the other computer users on earth.
>> Nothing in the modern computer realm is more of a turnoff than Linux.
>> Hell, Linux has been on earth for 21 years and they still can barely
>> give it away. That should be a warning to anyone considering trying
>> Linux.
>
> Linux is like herpes. Herpes is free too.

Linux is curable, herpes is not.

>
>>> I
>>> don't care about Linux, I care about W10, that's why I'm here.
>>
>> Windows 10 is awesome.
>> I am not thrilled with the privacy concerns though. Much of it is
>> blown out of proportion but even still. it shows arrogance on the
>> part of Microsoft.
>>
>> Technically however it is a massively great operating system for
>> desktop users.
>
> Agreed. It works, it's fast and it is bundled with everything required
> to make sure that it is secure.

Did you know it reports how many times you visit xhamster.com?

>
>>> You're just taking up bandwidth and not adding anything useful to
>>> the purpose of this group.
>>
>> Sounds like Linux itself. Linux sucks up more time than a 2 dollar
>> whore sucks you know what.
>>
>>> Please! Stop posting. Go away!
>>
>> Linux zealots are like gadflies or cockroaches. You can never
>> eliminate them completely.
>> They hang around like shit stuck to your sneaker.
>>
>> Last xpost. I will trim in the future out of respect for my fellow
>> Windows users.
>> If you want a real laugh though, come visit us in
>> comp.os.linux.advocacy.
>>
>> Keep an eye out for a couple of Linux losers, Chris Ahlstrom and
>> William Poaster. Oh and wait until you get a sample of "7" who has
>> invented a modern day holodeck. I kid you not.
>>
>> Peace
>
> 7 is like Kreeger on Archer. He'll invent himself a holographic
> girlfriend too.

holographic or homographic? One of those is a problem.

[musika]

On 16/04/2016 01:12, Ed Mullen wrote:
> On 4/15/2016 2:18 PM, EGK's fingers rattled off:
>> On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 13:04:04 -0500, Mark Lloyd <n...@mail.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 04/15/2016 02:46 AM, William Unruh wrote:
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>>> Yes. The operating system would do it for him.
>>>> I wonder if he had ever heard of backups?
>>>
>>> Even a several-months-old backup would be better than nothing.
>>
>> This whole story is apparently just a big hoax.
>
>
> I thought that too. I even (for a nano second) thought to investigate.
> Then I thought, hell, it's still a great tale even if it's fake. I
> liked it! :-D
>
<http://www.trymodern.com/article/596/this-guy-did-not-delete-his-entire-company-in-one-click>

--
Ray
UK

[Silver Slimer]

On 2016-04-17 2:48 AM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
> On 16 Apr 2016, Silver Slimer <ahlstrom's_ma...@void.ca> posted some
> news:netjef$2oc$1...@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 2016-04-15 8:27 PM, Omar wrote:
>>
>> < snip >
>>
>>>> Always amazes me. This is a Windows 10 newsgroup. Why are Linux
>>>> people even posting here?
>>> Linux zealots are like the Jehovah Witnesses of the computer world.
>>> They resemble that crooked preacher you see on late night TV asking
>>> for donations so he can send you a prayer cloth.
>>>
>>> A very nasty bunch.
>>
>> A prayer cloth is more valuable than Linux.
>
> I wear a loin cloth when coding because my Linux computer gets so hot when
> I touch it.

Like Chris Ahlstrom, your computer heats up when a man touches it.

>>>> Nothing you say is going to make me use Linux.
>>>
>>> You and 99 percent of the other computer users on earth.
>>> Nothing in the modern computer realm is more of a turnoff than Linux.
>>> Hell, Linux has been on earth for 21 years and they still can barely
>>> give it away. That should be a warning to anyone considering trying
>>> Linux.
>>
>> Linux is like herpes. Herpes is free too.
>
> Linux is curable, herpes is not.

The emotional and mental trauma Linux causes cannot be eliminated.

>>>> I
>>>> don't care about Linux, I care about W10, that's why I'm here.
>>>
>>> Windows 10 is awesome.
>>> I am not thrilled with the privacy concerns though. Much of it is
>>> blown out of proportion but even still. it shows arrogance on the
>>> part of Microsoft.
>>>
>>> Technically however it is a massively great operating system for
>>> desktop users.
>>
>> Agreed. It works, it's fast and it is bundled with everything required
>> to make sure that it is secure.
>
> Did you know it reports how many times you visit xhamster.com?

I assume that the Edge browser might... but I don't use Edge.

>>>> You're just taking up bandwidth and not adding anything useful to
>>>> the purpose of this group.
>>>
>>> Sounds like Linux itself. Linux sucks up more time than a 2 dollar
>>> whore sucks you know what.
>>>
>>>> Please! Stop posting. Go away!
>>>
>>> Linux zealots are like gadflies or cockroaches. You can never
>>> eliminate them completely.
>>> They hang around like shit stuck to your sneaker.
>>>
>>> Last xpost. I will trim in the future out of respect for my fellow
>>> Windows users.
>>> If you want a real laugh though, come visit us in
>>> comp.os.linux.advocacy.
>>>
>>> Keep an eye out for a couple of Linux losers, Chris Ahlstrom and
>>> William Poaster. Oh and wait until you get a sample of "7" who has
>>> invented a modern day holodeck. I kid you not.
>>>
>>> Peace
>>
>> 7 is like Kreeger on Archer. He'll invent himself a holographic
>> girlfriend too.
>
> holographic or homographic? One of those is a problem.

Both, lol.

[Carlos E.R.]

On 2016-04-16 02:09, Ed Mullen wrote:

> Always amazes me. This is a Windows 10 newsgroup. Why are Linux people

> even posting here? Nothing you say is going to make me use Linux. I

> don't care about Linux, I care about W10, that's why I'm here.

Somebody decided to send an answer to this absurd thread to a zillion
groups, spamming them all. Similarly to you, but on the Linux side, I've
little interest in Windows (ie, I'm not subscribed to any Windows
group), but even less in silly posts about how bad the other (whatever
other) choice of system is.

> You're just taking up bandwidth and not adding anything useful to the
> purpose of this group.
>

> Please! Stop posting. Go away!

Unfortunately, nobody can. Except ignoring the thread. For instance, on
Thunderbird, press 'k' to ignore it.

Don't feed the trolls ;-)


--
Cheers, Carlos.

--- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: ne...@netfront.net ---

[Carlos E.R.]

On 2016-04-15 18:21, Desk Rabbit wrote:
> On 15/04/2016 14:41, Roger Blake wrote:


> I think that was the point, his error was in his backup script I
> believe. He had his backups mounted and they got vaped.
>
> The built in Windows server backup makes the drive invisible to the
> user, it can only be written from the backup program.

You can do similarly in Linux. For instance, backup to an rsync daemon
on another computer.

[chrisv]

sbd wrote:

>On 04/15/2016 07:43 PM, Omar wrote:
>>
>> Seeding Google?
>> What's that?
>
>That is like what you do to goats!

Hahahha.

--
"The firmware bug wasn't a problem until it was discovered by Linux,
and what transpired next was that in the zeal of a Linux developer to
defend Linux, he handed out a malware exploit roadmap, which is a
compromise to the product's primary user base. Samsung could
plausibly sue Garret." - lying asshole "-hh"

[chrisv]

vallor wrote:

>Flatfish Gary Stewrat, a nymshifter that goes back 20 years in the group.
>
>A one-trick pony that should have retired years ago

No, we need to be reminded, for the ten thousandths time, that Linux
is free but Micro$oft has retained it's dominance of the desktop.

If one had dog shit for brains, one would accept the above fact as
evidence that Windows is the far better OS, but not as evidence of a
FUBAR market where most people feel that they need to use Windows or
be somehow "left out in the cold".

> -- but like all the
>trolls, he has to get his USENET "fix". You can see the virtual needle
>tracks going up and down his arms.

He's clearly mentally ill.

--
"2007 is going to be a miserable year for Linux because Vista is going
to sink any hope Linux has had for the desktop." - "flatfish"

[Popkin]

"Jeremy Bentham" wrote in message
news:a53341985b4d0256...@anemone.mooo.com...

>In article <61c3067379b956ef...@dizum.com>
>Nomen Nescio <nob...@dizum.com> wrote:
>
> The 'rm -rf *' scourge.
>
> <http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/man-accidentally-deletes-his-entire-company-with-one-line-of-bad-code-a6984256.html>

>If he was running Windows, dumb stuff like that wouldn't happen.

If he had a backup there would be no problem.

[Nathan Hale]

In article <hjreuc-...@Telcontar.valinor>

"Carlos E.R." <robin_...@invalid.es> wrote:
>
> On 2016-04-15 18:21, Desk Rabbit wrote:
> > On 15/04/2016 14:41, Roger Blake wrote:
>
>
> > I think that was the point, his error was in his backup script I
> > believe. He had his backups mounted and they got vaped.
> >
> > The built in Windows server backup makes the drive invisible to the
> > user, it can only be written from the backup program.
>
> You can do similarly in Linux. For instance, backup to an rsync daemon
> on another computer.
>

Kindly remove the privacy group from your xposts. Thanks.

[Carlos E.R.]

Which one is that?
At least in my posts I do not see any *.privacy.* group. If you see
them, they are not mine.

[Cornelis Tromp]

In article <pr7fuc-...@Telcontar.valinor>

"Carlos E.R." <robin_...@invalid.es> wrote:
>
> On 2016-04-18 16:14, Nathan Hale wrote:
> > In article <hjreuc-...@Telcontar.valinor>
> > "Carlos E.R." <robin_...@invalid.es> wrote:
>
>
> > Kindly remove the privacy group from your xposts. Thanks.
>
> Which one is that?
> At least in my posts I do not see any *.privacy.* group. If you see
> them, they are not mine.
>

From: "Carlos E.R." <robin_...@invalid.es>
Newsgroups: alt.privacy.anon-server,alt.comp.os.windows-
10,comp.os.linux.advocacy,sbay.linux,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Man accidentally deletes his entire company
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 13:04:49 +0200

[Carlos E.R.]

Ah, I understand. On the previous post, on the reply it was already removed.


People are adding groups to posts all the time, I don't know why. I do not have the originating post for this thread, for instance.
Of those above, I only subscribe to alt.os.linux.

I have deleted alt.test.

[Nomen Nescio]

On 18 Apr 2016, "Carlos E.R." <robin_...@invalid.es> posted some
news:ihqeuc-...@Telcontar.valinor:

> On 2016-04-16 02:09, Ed Mullen wrote:
>
>> Always amazes me. This is a Windows 10 newsgroup. Why are Linux
>> people even posting here? Nothing you say is going to make me use
>> Linux. I don't care about Linux, I care about W10, that's why I'm
>> here.
>
> Somebody decided to send an answer to this absurd thread to a zillion
> groups, spamming them all. Similarly to you, but on the Linux side,
> I've little interest in Windows (ie, I'm not subscribed to any Windows
> group), but even less in silly posts about how bad the other (whatever
> other) choice of system is.
>
>
>> You're just taking up bandwidth and not adding anything useful to the
>> purpose of this group.
>>
>> Please! Stop posting. Go away!
>
> Unfortunately, nobody can. Except ignoring the thread. For instance,
> on Thunderbird, press 'k' to ignore it.
>
> Don't feed the trolls ;-)

Why? The gullible need to eat too. There's plenty of room at the trough.
Move over.

[Nomen Nescio]

On 14 Apr 2016, Cornelis Tromp <nob...@holland.remailer.nl> posted some
news:7da73db5b54619f2...@anon.holland.remailer.nl:

> In article <er6dnbrCDrAaqY3K...@earthlink.com>
> Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at...@testing.local> wrote:
>>
>> On 04/14/16 16:15, Jeremy Bentham so wittily quipped:

>> > In article <61c3067379b956ef...@dizum.com>
>> > Nomen Nescio <nob...@dizum.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> The 'rm -rf *' scourge.
>> >>
>> >> <http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/man-
>> >> accidentally-deletes-his-entire-company-with-one-line-of-bad-code-a
>> >> 6984256.html>
>> >
>> > If he was running Windows, dumb stuff like that wouldn't happen.
>> >
>>

>> format C: - ever done THAT ?
>
> That's kids stuff. What you want is ECHO y | FORMAT C:.

I miss the good old netcom days when we could edit autoexec.bat and do
cool shit like that for appreciative users.

attrib msdos.sys -s -h -r
attrib io.sys -s -h -r
echo Y | del msdos.sys
echo Y | del io.sys

or

echo Y | del command.com

Another cool thing we did was find any attached dot matrix printers and
send 50 copies of a 360 DPI "graphic quality" gay porn pic to it.

[dbco...@osu.edu]

On 18 Apr 2016, Nomen Nescio <nob...@dizum.com> posted some
news:b13bd39e2cec2e78...@dizum.com:

> On 18 Apr 2016, "Carlos E.R." <robin_...@invalid.es> posted some
> news:ihqeuc-...@Telcontar.valinor:
>

>> Don't feed the trolls ;-)
>
> Why? The gullible need to eat too. There's plenty of room at the
> trough. Move over.

typical democrat response.

[Siri Cruise]

In article <277e78c64d11e131...@dizum.com>,

Let them drink coke.

--
:-<> Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. Deleted.
'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.'
If you assume the final scene is a dying delusion as Tom Cruise drowns below
the Louvre, then Edge of Tomorrow has a happy ending. Kill Tom repeat..

[Wolf K]

I could make this political, but I won't: Nomen Nescio was committing
irony. He's a cynic, albeit a mild one.

Cynic (per Ambrose Bierce): A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things
as they are, not as they ought to be.

Have a good day,

--
Best,
Wolf K
kirkwood40.blogspot.ca

[JEDIDIAH]

On 2016-04-16, Ed Mullen <ejEM...@edmullen.net> wrote:
> On 4/15/2016 5:43 PM, vallor's fingers rattled off:
>> On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 14:54:05 -0500, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>
>>> On 2016-04-15, Roger Blake <rogb...@iname.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 2016-04-15, Omar <omars...@linuxmail.org> wrote:
>>>>> 1. Linux is a great hobby. You can spend hours, weeks, months trying
>>>>> to make Linux work. Excellent way to avoid yard work.
>>>>
>>>> I currently do all my own work on Linux systems and have been doing so
>>>> with Unix-type systems for nearly 40 years.
>>>>
>>>>> 2. You earn your living with Windows. Take away the Windows portion
>>>>> and you would have no job.
>>>>
>>>> Speak for yourself. Take away Windows and I'd go on making a nice
>>>> living administering Linux and Unix servers. (For me Windows is just a
>>>> sideline.)
>>>
>>> Agreed.
>>>
>>> I started out in computing using things other than Microsoft because
>>> the Microsoft options were all too primitive. Then Microsoft managed to
>>> come to dominate small scale computing and drove off all of the other
>>> options. For a brief moment I relented and decided to give up and go
>>> with the monopoly. That lasted for about all of 5 minutes. I pretty much
>>> immediately started seeking out an alternative.
>>>
>>> My work has never required Microsoft systems or software.
>>>
>>> My home computing does not require Microsoft systems or software.
>>
>> We have over 400 (real, hardware) Linux servers at work.
>>
>> Can you imagine the nightmare of managing those if they were Windows?
>> Even the licenses would be a huge pain.

>>
>
> Always amazes me. This is a Windows 10 newsgroup. Why are Linux people
> even posting here? Nothing you say is going to make me use Linux. I

Some annoying Windows user probably started it.

[deletia]

Although this is what killfiles are for. They've only been commonplace on
newsreaders since the 80s.

[JEDIDIAH]

On 2016-04-16, Peter Köhlmann <peter-k...@t-online.de> wrote:
> Omar wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 19:17:10 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>
>>> vallor wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 09:06:44 -0500, chrisv wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Roger Blake wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> mentally-ill troll wrote:

[deletia]

>>> And video.
>>
>> Performance is less than Windows boxes.
>
> Nope. It is about the same. Forget your idiotic rants about X11.
> Also, X11 performance is much higher than OSX Gui performance

Performance is based on level of effort. It takes a great level of effort
to optimize demanding graphics apps (IOW GAMES) for Windows. You have to be
able to do that for Macs or Linux in order to get comparable performance.

>
>> And it's a PITA to set up especially multiple monitors.
>
> Yes. After all, you have to connect the second or third monitor
> Thats it. Way over your head, obviously

When I finally got around to doing this, it was no trouble at all.

Imagine that... trolls are bogus. Whodathunkit?

[Fritz Wuehler]

In article <chine.bleu-9A51DB.17094019042016@88-209-239-
213.giganet.hu>

Siri Cruise <chine...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> In article <277e78c64d11e131...@dizum.com>,
> "dbco...@osu.edu" <dbco...@osu.edu> wrote:
>
> > On 18 Apr 2016, Nomen Nescio <nob...@dizum.com> posted some
> > news:b13bd39e2cec2e78...@dizum.com:
> >
> > > On 18 Apr 2016, "Carlos E.R." <robin_...@invalid.es> posted some
> > > news:ihqeuc-...@Telcontar.valinor:
> > >
> > >> Don't feed the trolls ;-)
> > >
> > > Why? The gullible need to eat too. There's plenty of room at the
> > > trough. Move over.
> >
> > typical democrat response.
>
> Let them drink coke.

Let them shoot heroin.

[chrisv]

JEDIDIAH wrote:

> Peter Köhlmann wrote:

>>
>> mentally-ill troll wrote:
>>>
>>> And it's a PITA to set up especially multiple monitors.
>>
>> Yes. After all, you have to connect the second or third monitor
>> Thats it. Way over your head, obviously
>
> When I finally got around to doing this, it was no trouble at all.
>
> Imagine that... trolls are bogus. Whodathunkit?

It can't possibly work for you, JED! The troll can google the planet
and find someone that had a problem!

--
'You "works for me" morons do more harm to Linux than good.' - "True
Linux advocate" Hadron Quark

[Fritz Wuehler]

In article <slrnnhfq7...@nomad.mishnet>

I only put clinton voting liberal retards in my killfiles.
They're too stupid to ever get out again.

[Robert Newson]

On 15/04/16 08:47, William Unruh wrote:
> On 2016-04-15, Mr. Man-wai Chang <toylet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 15/04/2016 8:38 AM, Omar wrote:
>>>
>>> No. At least not unintentionally.
>>> Linux users aren't very bright though. They take pride in finding the
>>> absolute most convoluted method for accomplishing what is trivial.
>>>
>>> In this case the moron Linux user had a success rate of 100 percent.
>>> Mission accomplished.
>>>
>>
>> That's because the user was not warned of the danger. By default, rm
>> doesn't ask for confirmation, which was changed in Window$. :)
>
> Actually by default it does. /bin/rm -f does not.
Actually it doesn't.

/bin/rm does not default to asking for confirmation of a delete: that
comes from the -i option which most (if not all) home distributions make
the default by having rm aliased to 'rm -i'.

Personally, when I tell the computer I want it deleted, so I've removed
the alias from my user account, but for root, the alias is still there -
it not only acts as a reminder that I've got power to destroy, but acts
as a do you really intend that.

However, it still doesn't prevent a rm -fr as the -f will override the -i

Windows is like a hoarder: instead of throwing stuff away that is no
longer needed it is put into one of the rooms of the house. It puts the
user into a non-thinking mode and false sense of security: if they
accidentally throw away anything they can go looking through all the
rubbish filling the room that they don't really want. Once in that
habit of not thinking about what they're doing, it'll extend into
everything they do: they'll open email attachments without thinking;
they'll get into their cars and drive without thinkings; they'll shoot
someone without thinking - after all, any mistake can be undone...can't it?

[Robert Newson]

On 15/04/16 13:31, Omar wrote:
> Linux is like buying a car loaded with options and then learning only
> 1/2 of what you paid for actually works.
Windows is like buying a car loaded with options and then learning that
barley 1/4 of them are actually of any use - the rest are just taking up
space and power off the engine