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Vimala Sarma

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Is there a difference between kSaNa, lava, and muhUrta?  If so can someone please explain this.  In a Buddhist text the compound "tena kṣaṇalavamuhūrtena" appears.

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अणुर्द्वो परमाणू स्यात्त्रसरेणुस्त्रयः स्मृतः ।

जालार्करश्म्यवगतः खमेवानुपतन्नगात ॥५॥

त्रसनेणुत्रिकं भुड्क्ते यः कालः स त्रुटि स्मृतः ।

शतभागस्तु वेधः स्यात्तैस्त्रिभिस्तु [३ वेधाः = ) लवः स्मृत ॥६॥

निमेषस्त्रिलवो ज्ञेय आम्रातस्ते त्रयः [(३ निमेषाः =)]

 (१)क्षणः ।

क्षणानां पंच विदुः काष्ठा लघु ता दश पंच च ॥७॥

लघूनि वै सामाम्राता दश पंच च नाडिका ।

ते द्वे (२ नाडिके =) मुहुर्तःप्रहरः षड्यामः सप्त वा नृणाम ॥८॥

lava - 3 vedha;

[nimeSha - 3 lava]

kshaNa - 3 nimeSha

gradually increase up to 

मुहूर्तः - २ नाडीHope this relation from Bhagavata  will be useful. 


Here is the calculation from buddhist canon शर्दूलावदान :


३३ शार्दूलकर्णावदानम् | Digital Sanskrit Buddhist Canon

एतेन भो ब्राह्मण त्रिंशन्मुहूर्ताः, यै रात्रिदिवसा अनुमीयन्त 
इति॥ 

the whole day and night 30 muhurta, is divided accodingly 

ततः षोडश निमेषा एका काष्ठा। 
षोडश काष्ठा एका कला। 
षष्टिः कला एको मुहूर्तः। 
त्रिंशन्मुहूर्ता एकमहोरात्रम्। 
त्रिंशदहोरात्राण्येको मासः। 
द्वादश मासाः संवत्सरः॥

which follows Amara kosha. 

"क्षणद्वयं लवः प्रोक्तो निमेषस्तु लवद्वयम्।"


is another source given in the commentary on Amarakosha which makes क्षण different from the one quoted earlier.


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Hnbhat B.R.

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On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 4:01 PM, Vimala Sarma <vsa...@bigpond.com> wrote:

Dear Friends

Is there a difference between kSaNa, lava, and muhUrta?  If so can someone please explain this.  In a Buddhist text the compound "tena kṣaṇalavamuhūrtena" appears.

Vimala

 

Vimala Sarma



As for the compound, it seems to be adjective for काल or any other word denoting time element in general. But could not be explained in isolation without the complete text or the sentence in which it appears. 

Ajit Gargeshwari

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Division of the day according to various sources.

The Puranas

15 nimesha = 1 kastha

30 kastha = 1 kala

30 kala = 1 muhurta

30 muhurta = 1 day or nycthemeron

 

Surya Siddantha


10 gurvakshara = 1 prana

1 prana = 1 vinadi

60 vinadi = 1 nadi, nadika or ghatika

60 nadi = 1 day

 

Vedanga Jyotisa

5 aksharas = 1 kastha

124 kasthas = 1 kala = 305/201 prasthas

10.05 kalas = 1 nadika

2 nadikas = 1muhurta = 30.5 prasthas


Traveler Yaun Zhaung


20 kshanas = 1 tatkshana

50 tatkshana = 1lava

30 lavas =1 muhurta

5 muhurtas= 1 time

6times = 1 nyethemeron


Jain Saint Mahaviracharya


7uchchhavas = 1stoka

7stokas =1 lava

38.5 lavas =1 Ghati

2 Ghatis =1 muhurta

30 muhurta = 1 day


Traveler Al-Biruni

6 prana = 1 cashaka

15 cashaka = 1 kshana

4 Kshanas =1 ghati

60 ghatis = 1 nyethemeron


In his Abhidharma Shunzeng describes units of time. The day was divided in fornoon, noo and afternoon. Night was devided into three watches (trimaya) The shortest interval of time was Kshana. The time taken by a woman to spin one hsun of thread. it also refereed to an 'instant' or blink on an eye. This term is still is colloquial use.


Instruments to measure time during Varahamihira and other included sundial (chhaya yantra), wter and sand clocks. The siddhanta shiromani also describes vaiation of sun dial yashti yantra.


The basic unit of time is a nalaka, defined as the time taken by one adhaka( 1-87 kgs or liters) of water to flow out of a pot through a hole of the same diameter as that of a wire 4 angulas long made oout of 4 mashas of gold. The hole wold be approximatel 0.6 mm.


Sub division of Nalka

 

Tuta = 16/100ths of a second

2 tuthas = 1 lava = 12/100 of a second

2 lavas = 1 nimesha 24/100th of a second

5 nimesha =1 Kashta = 1.2 seconds

30 Kashtas = 1 Kala= 36 seconds

40 klas =1 Nalika = 24 minutes

2 Nalikas =1 Muhurtha = 48 minutes

15 Muhuttha = 1 day or night= 12 hours


  • 15 twinklings of the eye = 1 Kásht́há
  • 30 Kásht́hás = 1 Kalá
  • 30 Kalás = 1 Muhúrtta
  • 30 Muhúrttas = 1 day (24 hours)
  • 30 days = 1 month
  • 6 months = 1 Ayana
  • 2 Ayanas = 1 year or one day (day + night) of the gods

Small units of time used in the Vedas

  • a trasarenu is the combination of 6 celestial atoms.
  • a truti is the time needed to integrate 3 trasarenus, or 1/1687.5th of a second.
  • a vedha is 100 trutis.
  • a lava is 3 vedhas.
  • a nimesha is 3 lavas, or a blink.
  • a kshanas is 3 nimeshas.
  • a kashthas is 5 kshanas, or about 8 seconds.
  • a laghu is 15 kashthas, or about 2 minutes.
  • 15 laghus make one nadika, which is also called a danda. This equals the time before water overflows in a six-pala-weight [fourteen ounce] pot of copper, in which a hole is bored with a gold probe weighing four masha and measuring four fingers long. The pot is then placed on water for calculation.
  • 2 dandas make one muhurta.
  • 6 or 7 dandas make one yamah, or 1/4th of a day or night.
  • 4 praharas or 4 yamas are in each day or each night


Mbh.3.289.14160 And Vasishtha and Vamadeva then together installed that hero in the sovereignty of Ayodhya at the eighth Muhurta of the day under the asterism called Sravana.
Mbh.12.136.7613 Diverse are the divisions of time, such as Kashtha, Kala, Muhurta, day, night, Lava, month, fortnight, the six seasons, Kalpa, year.
Mbh.12.230.14287 Thirty Kalas, with the tenth part of a Kala added, make what is known as a Muhurta.
Mbh.13.14.1170 One that has not obtained the grace of Mahadeva can never succeed to devote oneself to Mahadeva for a single day or for half a day or for a Muhurta or for a Kshana or for a Lava very small unit of time.
Mbh.13.104.9289 One should wake up from sleep at the hour known as the Brahma Muhurta and then think of both religion and profit.



P V Kane in his History Of Dharmashastra Deals with the concept of  kSaNa, lava, and muhUrta. Please refer 463-718 in Volume 5 part 1. It available at Digital Libraray of India Website.

Please see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_units_of_measurement


http://ancientvoice.wikidot.com/mbh:lava

Encyclopaedia of the history of science, technology, and medicine by Helaine Selin

Regards

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Vimala Sarma

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Ajita Mahodaya

This is very comprehensive, Ajit Ji,  thanks very much.  Thank you Bhat Mahodaya also.

So " kṣaṇalavamuhūrtena"  would be something like  "in the flash of the moment of the hour" in English.

dhanyavāda

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Source: Pali-English Dictionary, TW Rhys Davids, William Stede

laya : [m.] a brief measure of time.

Description:

Laya [cp. Sk. laya: see līyati] 1. a brief measure of time, usually combd with other expressions denoting a short moment, esp. frequent as khaṇa laya muhutta Vin i.12; iii.92; A iv.137; cp. Dpvs i.16 (khaṇe khaṇe laye Buddho sabbalokaŋ avekkhati). -- Vism 136 (īsakam pi layaŋ yantaŋ paggaṇheth' eva mānasaŋ). -- 2. time in music, equal time, rhythm Dāvs iv.50; VvA 183 (dvādasannaŋ laya -- bhedānaŋ vasena pabheda).

Description:

kṣaṇa: Moment; the shortest unit of time. 'Every thought-moment.' (1) Every moment. (2) Every thought; continuous thought (kṣana, citta-kṣana).

Source: A.P. Buddhadatta Mahathera, Concise Pali-English and English-Pali Dictionary

Description:

muhuttena : [adv.] in a moment.


lava : (m.) vilīna-pāsāṇa.

lava [fr. ] a small particle, a drop VvA 253 (lavanka a small mark); Sdhp 105 (˚odaka).


Please see 

http://glossary.buddhistdoor.com/search

http://www.dsbcproject.org/node/4219

http://dsbc.uwest.edu/node/4622


So, if one knows the precise context in which tena kṣaṇalavamuhūrtena" appears the translation will be more accurate.


Regards

Ajit Gargeshwari

Prabhakara Das

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Thank You, Dr.Hari. I also enjoyed the details. Now one kshna is
1000th part of 96 seconds!

On 05/04/2012, Ajit Gargeshwari <ajit.gar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Source: Pali-English Dictionary, TW Rhys Davids, William Stede
>

> *laya *: *[m.] *a brief measure of time.


>
> Description:
>
> Laya [cp. Sk. laya: see līyati] 1. a brief measure of time, usually
> combd with other expressions denoting a short moment, esp. frequent as

> *khaṇa
> laya muhutta* Vin i.12; iii.92; A iv.137; cp. Dpvs i.16 (khaṇe khaṇe laye


> Buddho sabbalokaŋ avekkhati). -- Vism 136 (īsakam pi layaŋ yantaŋ
> paggaṇheth' eva mānasaŋ). -- 2. time in music, equal time, rhythm
> Dāvs iv.50; VvA 183 (dvādasannaŋ laya -- bhedānaŋ vasena pabheda).
>
> Description:
>

> *kṣaṇa*: Moment; the shortest unit of time. 'Every thought-moment.' (1)
> Every moment. (2) Every thought; continuous thought (*kṣana*, *citta-kṣana*


> ).
>
> Source: A.P. Buddhadatta Mahathera, Concise Pali-English and English-Pali
> Dictionary
>
> Description:
>

> *muhuttena *: *[adv.] *in a moment.
>
>
> *lava : *(m.) vilīna-pāsāṇa.
>
> lava [fr. *lū*] a small particle, a drop VvA 253 (lavanka a small mark);


> Sdhp 105 (˚odaka).
>
>
> Please see
>
> http://glossary.buddhistdoor.com/search
>
> http://www.dsbcproject.org/node/4219
>
> http://dsbc.uwest.edu/node/4622
>
>
> So, if one knows the precise context in which tena kṣaṇalavamuhūrtena"
> appears the translation will be more accurate.
>
>
> Regards
>
> Ajit Gargeshwari
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 7:22 AM, Vimala Sarma <vsa...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>

>> Ajita Mahodaya****


>>
>> This is very comprehensive, Ajit Ji, thanks very much. Thank you Bhat

>> Mahodaya also.****


>>
>> So " kṣaṇalavamuhūrtena" would be something like "in the flash of the

>> moment of the hour" in English.****
>>
>> dhanyavāda****
>>
>> Vimala****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Vimala Sarma****
>>
>> My new e-mail is sarma...@gmail.com****
>>
>> +612 9699 4414****
>>
>> +61 409 690 220****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* sams...@googlegroups.com [mailto:sams...@googlegroups.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *Ajit Gargeshwari
>> *Sent:* Friday, 6 April 2012 2:09 AM
>> *To:* sams...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [Samskrita] Instant of Time****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Division of the day according to various sources.****
>>
>> The Puranas****
>>
>> 15 nimesha = 1 kastha****
>>
>> 30 kastha = 1 kala****
>>
>> 30 kala = 1 muhurta****
>>
>> 30 muhurta = 1 day or nycthemeron****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Surya Siddantha****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> 10 gurvakshara = 1 prana****
>>
>> 1 prana = 1 vinadi****
>>
>> 60 vinadi = 1 nadi, nadika or ghatika****
>>
>> 60 nadi = 1 day****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Vedanga Jyotisa ****
>>
>> 5 aksharas = 1 kastha****
>>
>> 124 kasthas = 1 kala = 305/201 prasthas****
>>
>> 10.05 kalas = 1 nadika****
>>
>> 2 nadikas = 1muhurta = 30.5 prasthas****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Traveler Yaun Zhaung****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> 20 kshanas = 1 tatkshana****
>>
>> 50 tatkshana = 1lava****
>>
>> 30 lavas =1 muhurta****
>>
>> 5 muhurtas= 1 time****
>>
>> 6times = 1 nyethemeron****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Jain Saint Mahaviracharya****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> 7uchchhavas = 1stoka****
>>
>> 7stokas =1 lava****
>>
>> 38.5 lavas =1 Ghati****
>>
>> 2 Ghatis =1 muhurta****
>>
>> 30 muhurta = 1 day****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Traveler Al-Biruni****
>>
>> 6 prana = 1 cashaka****
>>
>> 15 cashaka = 1 kshana****
>>
>> 4 Kshanas =1 ghati****
>>
>> 60 ghatis = 1 nyethemeron****
>>
>> ** **


>>
>> In his Abhidharma Shunzeng describes units of time. The day was divided in
>> fornoon, noo and afternoon. Night was devided into three watches (trimaya)
>> The shortest interval of time was Kshana. The time taken by a woman to
>> spin
>> one hsun of thread. it also refereed to an 'instant' or blink on an eye.

>> This term is still is colloquial use.****
>>
>> ** **


>>
>> Instruments to measure time during Varahamihira and other included sundial
>> (chhaya yantra), wter and sand clocks. The siddhanta shiromani also

>> describes vaiation of sun dial yashti yantra.****
>>
>> ** **


>>
>> The basic unit of time is a nalaka, defined as the time taken by one
>> adhaka( 1-87 kgs or liters) of water to flow out of a pot through a hole
>> of
>> the same diameter as that of a wire 4 angulas long made oout of 4 mashas
>> of

>> gold. The hole wold be approximatel 0.6 mm.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Sub division of Nalka****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Tuta = 16/100ths of a second****
>>
>> 2 tuthas = 1 lava = 12/100 of a second****
>>
>> 2 lavas = 1 nimesha 24/100th of a second****
>>
>> 5 nimesha =1 Kashta = 1.2 seconds****
>>
>> 30 Kashtas = 1 Kala= 36 seconds****
>>
>> 40 klas =1 Nalika = 24 minutes ****
>>
>> 2 Nalikas =1 Muhurtha = 48 minutes ****
>>
>> 15 Muhuttha = 1 day or night= 12 hours****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> - 15 twinklings of the eye = 1 Kásht́há****
>> - 30 Kásht́hás = 1 Kalá****
>> - 30 Kalás = 1 Muhúrtta****
>> - 30 Muhúrttas = 1 day (24 hours)****
>> - 30 days = 1 month****
>> - 6 months = 1 Ayana****
>> - 2 Ayanas = 1 year or one day (day + night) of the gods****
>>
>> Small units of time used in the Vedas****
>>
>> - a *trasarenu* is the combination of 6 celestial *atoms*.****
>> - a *truti* is the time needed to integrate 3 *trasarenus*, or
>> 1/1687.5th of a second.****
>> - a *vedha* is 100 *trutis*.****
>> - a *lava* is 3 *vedhas*.****
>> - a *nimesha* is 3 *lavas*, or a blink.****
>> - a *kshanas* is 3 *nimeshas*.****
>> - a *kashthas* is 5 *kshanas*, or about 8 seconds.****
>> - a *laghu* is 15 *kashthas*, or about 2 minutes.****
>> - 15 *laghus* make one *nadika*, which is also called a *danda*. This


>> equals the time before water overflows in a six-pala-weight [fourteen
>> ounce] pot of copper, in which a hole is bored with a gold probe
>> weighing
>> four masha and measuring four fingers long. The pot is then placed on
>> water

>> for calculation.****
>> - 2 *dandas* make one *muhurta*.****
>> - 6 or 7 *dandas* make one *yamah*, or 1/4th of a day or night.****
>> - 4 *praharas* or 4 *yamas* are in each *day* or each *night*****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Mbh.3.289.14160****


>>
>> And Vasishtha and Vamadeva then together installed that hero in the

>> sovereignty of Ayodhya at the eighth *Muhurta* of the day under the
>> asterism called Sravana.****
>>
>> Mbh.12.136.7613****
>>
>> Diverse are the divisions of time, such as Kashtha, Kala, *Muhurta*, day,
>> night, Lava, month, fortnight, the six seasons, Kalpa, year.****
>>
>> Mbh.12.230.14287****


>>
>> Thirty Kalas, with the tenth part of a Kala added, make what is known as a

>> *Muhurta*.****
>>
>> Mbh.13.14.1170****


>>
>> One that has not obtained the grace of Mahadeva can never succeed to

>> devote oneself to Mahadeva for a single day or for half a day or for a *
>> Muhurta* or for a Kshana or for a Lava very small unit of time.****
>>
>> Mbh.13.104.9289****
>>
>> One should wake up from sleep at the hour known as the Brahma *Muhurta*and


>> then think of both religion and profit.

>> ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **


>>
>> P V Kane in his History Of Dharmashastra Deals with the concept of kSaNa,
>> lava, and muhUrta. Please refer 463-718 in Volume 5 part 1. It
>> available at Digital Libraray of India Website.
>>
>> Please see

>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_units_of_measurement****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> http://ancientvoice.wikidot.com/mbh:lava****


>> Encyclopaedia of the history of science, technology, and medicine by
>> Helaine

>> Selin****
>>
>> Regards****
>>
>> Ajit Gargeshwari****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 4:40 PM, Hnbhat B.R. <hnbh...@gmail.com> wrote:***
>> *
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 4:01 PM, Vimala Sarma <vsa...@bigpond.com> wrote:**
>> **
>>
>> Dear Friends****


>>
>> Is there a difference between kSaNa, lava, and muhUrta? If so can someone
>> please explain this. In a Buddhist text the compound "tena

>> kṣaṇalavamuhūrtena" appears.****
>>
>> Vimala****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Vimala Sarma****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **


>>
>> As for the compound, it seems to be adjective for काल or any other word
>> denoting time element in general. But could not be explained in isolation

>> without the complete text or the sentence in which it appears. ****
>>
>>
>> ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> --
>> *Dr. Hari Narayana Bhat B.R. M.A., Ph.D.,
>> **Research Scholar,*****
>>
>> Ecole française d'Extrême-OrientCentre de Pondichéry****
>>
>> 16 & 19, Rue Dumas****
>>
>> Pondichéry - 605 001****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **


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Dear friends
This is an extract from the Sanghabhedavastu sUtra of the mUlasarvastivādins (Gilgit manuscript).

The context is: After the liberation of one of this disciples Kaundinya, at the moment the of the turning of the wheel of dharma by the Buddha, the proclamation (of the dharma) was heard by the earth yakshas...

bhaumānāṃ yakṣāṇāṃ śabdaṃ śrutvā antarikṣāvacarā yakṣās <tam anuśrāvayanti> cāturmahārājakāyikā devāḥ trāyastriṃśā yāmās tuṣitā nirmāṇaratayaḥ paranirmitavaśavartino devāḥ;
tena kṣaṇena, teṇa lavena, tena muhūrtena, tena kṣaṇalavamuhūrtena (A 392a) yāvad brahmalokaṃ śabdo 'gamat; brahmakāyikā devāḥ śabdam udīrayanti; ghoṣam anuśrāvayanti":

... the yaksas of the middle region (atmosphere) having heard the sound, the devas of the 4 great kings (the four directions), the devas of the 33, and (gods of various other worlds, etc ... ); at the very moment, that instant, that hour, at the fash of that instant of the hour, the sound went as far as Brahmaloka, and gods of the Brahma world heard the proclamation..

Vimala


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