Richard

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Sep 23, 2013, 11:38:19 PM9/23/13

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$3.08 here today.

Still has the 3 in front though.

Lew Hodgett

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Sep 25, 2013, 11:23:24 AM9/25/13

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Wednesday morning (09/25/13), the price of gas is now $3.75/gal at

the
local cash & carry.

Leon

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Sep 25, 2013, 6:52:06 PM9/25/13

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After all of this time Lew, what are you getting out of this? What do you
think you are accomplishing

Bill

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Sep 25, 2013, 7:06:11 PM9/25/13

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Leon wrote:

> "Lew Hodgett" <sails...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> ------------------------------------
>> Wednesday morning (09/25/13), the price of gas is now $3.75/gal at
>> the
>> local cash & carry.
>>
>>
>> The chain jerking continues.
>>
>> Alternate energy anybody?
>>
>> Lew
> After all of this time Lew, what are you getting out of this? What do you
> think you are accomplishing

I think he's just re-celebrating the fact that he sold his car!

no...@none.com

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Sep 25, 2013, 8:02:38 PM9/25/13

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On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 17:52:06 -0500, Leon <lcb1...@swbell.net> wrote:
>After all of this time Lew, what are you getting out of this? What do you
>think you are accomplishing

I'm guessing he's trying to irritate people. Is it working Leon? :)

Lew Hodgett

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Sep 25, 2013, 9:58:29 PM9/25/13

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Leon <lcb1...@swbell.net> wrote:

>>After all of this time Lew, what are you getting out of this? What
>>do you
>>think you are accomplishing

---------------------------------------

<no...@none.com> wrote:

> I'm guessing he's trying to irritate people. Is it working Leon?

-----------------------------------------
Works for me.<G>

Lew

Leon

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Sep 25, 2013, 11:28:47 PM9/25/13

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It is irritating that he is accomplishing nothing except maybe
alienating most here. It is senseless.

no...@none.com

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Sep 26, 2013, 12:25:49 AM9/26/13

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On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 22:28:47 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>

>It is irritating that he is accomplishing nothing except maybe
>alienating most here. It is senseless.

Which leads me to ask. Why are you reading it? Just don't open his
Creek Keeps Ris'n message.

Considering that his gas blog is exactly the same very time, it should
be very easy to plonk that particular thread.

Leon

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Sep 26, 2013, 10:50:07 AM9/26/13

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Because it reappears each time I filter to see only new threads. Even
that seen over and over is irritating enough, I rarely actually look at
what the thread has to say.

Gives me even more incentive to rely on oil.

no...@none.com

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Sep 26, 2013, 11:36:32 AM9/26/13

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On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 09:50:07 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>

>Because it reappears each time I filter to see only new threads. Even
>that seen over and over is irritating enough, I rarely actually look at
>what the thread has to say.

Something wrong with your filter then if it keeps reappearing.

>Gives me even more incentive to rely on oil.

Just out of spite eh? :)

Leon

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Sep 26, 2013, 2:33:55 PM9/26/13

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No, absolutely not! The more I look into issues on both sides, I'm
ready to stick with oil until something better "actually" comes along
for the long haul. Electric is going to be expensive. And for that
matter totally senseless, economically speaking, To trade a vehicle that
has lots of life left in it for one that is going to be expensive to
purchase. Kinda like those people that run for the dealerships to buy a
compact car for better gas mileage and and pay more for the vehicle than
get in fuel savings.

Lew Hodgett

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Wednesday morning (10/02/13), the price of gas is now $3.69/gal at

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local cash & carry.

Bill

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Oct 2, 2013, 6:29:18 PM10/2/13

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We're still missing a price from the month: Sept, 2012. DAMHIKT!

>
>
>

Richard

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Oct 2, 2013, 10:20:16 PM10/2/13

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$3.01 today

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On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 11:14:19 -0700, "Lew Hodgett"

>The chain jerking continues.
>Alternate energy anybody?
>Lew

On behalf of Leon, I'm getting damned tired of reading the same thing
over and over and over.

:)

k...@attt.bizz

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Oct 25, 2013, 8:20:03 PM10/25/13

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Killfile him and be done with it.

Bill

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Oct 26, 2013, 12:02:00 AM10/26/13

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Especially since there's no price listed for Sept-2012, right? I mean,
I've heard of 911, but what about 912? It ought to be published with an
errata.

Josepi

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On 10/29/2013 7:32 AM, Bob wrote:

Lew - how about a frigging break with this crap.

You made it to the kill file but you sure need some help over this gas price obsession.

The point that Lew seems to have missed all this time is that the commodity (gasoline, natural gas, electricity, government hot air, you-name-it) doesn't really matter - the chain jerking is going to continue anyway.

Lew Hodgett

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Oct 30, 2013, 11:43:33 AM10/30/13

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"Matt" wrote:

>
> The point that Lew seems to have missed all this time is that the
> commodity (gasoline, natural gas, electricity, government hot air,
> you-name-it) doesn't really matter - the chain jerking is going to
> continue anyway.

-------------------------------------------------------------
Only if you don't do something to address the issue which ultimately
involves reducing demand for the commodity.

Lew

Lew Hodgett

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Oct 30, 2013, 9:12:17 PM10/30/13

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Wednesday afternoon (10/30/13), the price of gas is now $3.39/gal at
the

Doug Winterburn

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Nov 12, 2013, 9:56:48 AM11/12/13

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On 10/30/2013 06:12 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:

> ------------------------------------
> Wednesday afternoon (10/30/13), the price of gas is now $3.39/gal at
> the
> local cash & carry.
>
> The chain jerking continues.
>
> Alternate energy anybody?
>
> Lew
>

Here's some alternate energy jerking:

http://news.yahoo.com/secret-dirty-cost-obamas-green-051200204.html

--
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure,the creed of ignorance, and the
gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery"
-Winston Churchill

Leon

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Nov 12, 2013, 10:10:55 AM11/12/13

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On 11/12/2013 8:56 AM, Doug Winterburn wrote:
> On 10/30/2013 06:12 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>
>> ------------------------------------
>> Wednesday afternoon (10/30/13), the price of gas is now $3.39/gal at
>> the
>> local cash & carry.
>>
>> The chain jerking continues.
>>
>> Alternate energy anybody?
>>
>> Lew
>>
> Here's some alternate energy jerking:
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/secret-dirty-cost-obamas-green-051200204.html
>

The only alternative fuel that will work and be successful will be the
one that government has absolutely nothing to do with.

So far oil is working out just fine.

k...@attt.bizz

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Nov 12, 2013, 5:33:50 PM11/12/13

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On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 09:10:55 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:

You could probably heat for some time by burning the tax code.

>So far oil is working out just fine.

...and gas.

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Monday afternoon (02/10/14), the price of gas is now $3.49/gal at

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local cash & carry.

woodchucker

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Feb 10, 2014, 8:14:38 PM2/10/14

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Stop your complaining.
You just got some water, enough to give you 25% restock from what the
news said.

So don't complain about the fuel.

Lew Hodgett

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Wednesday afternoon (02/12/14), the price of gas is now $3.59/gal at

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local cash & carry.

Richard

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Feb 12, 2014, 9:19:46 PM2/12/14

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On 2/12/2014 7:57 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:

> Lew Hodgett wrote:
>
> ------------------------------------
> Wednesday afternoon (02/12/14), the price of gas is now $3.59/gal at
> the

> local cash& carry.

>
> The chain jerking continues.
>
> Alternate energy anybody?
>
> Lew
>
>
>

Oh golly, Lew.
You ain't seen nothin yet!

None of us ever have...

http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_pri_spt_s1_d.htm

Lew Hodgett

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Feb 12, 2014, 9:27:16 PM2/12/14

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------------------------------------------------------
You miss it completely.

Personally, I'd like to see $10/gallon gasoline/diesel.

That would probably wake people up to more quickly develop alternate
energy sources and get us off our almost total dependance on fossil
fuels,

but then again............................

Lew

Richard

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Feb 12, 2014, 9:39:16 PM2/12/14

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Basic economics, Lew.

The reason there are no viable alternative energy systems is simply
that they can't compete at $4 a gallon of gasoline.

$4 gas is cheaper

Maybe they can compete at $10 a gallon for gas.

But that pins energy at he $10 a gallon level.

It won't bring the price of alternative energy down.

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Feb 12, 2014, 11:58:35 PM2/12/14

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As far as electric cars, sounds good, but the batteries are still the
issue. And charging them is still using fuel. Mostly coal from power
companies, so your point is?

This is a WW forum right, occasional OT fine, but you bring this up all
the time... so goto the alternative fuel news group.

--
Jeff

woodchucker

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Feb 13, 2014, 12:01:03 AM2/13/14

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Californication...
That poor coyote... Was it Wiley Coyote.. I'll bet he survived ;-)

--
Jeff

Lew Hodgett

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Feb 13, 2014, 12:11:56 AM2/13/14

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"Swingman" wrote:

> ?The Governor of Texas is jogging with his dog along a nature trail.
> A coyote jumps out and attacks his dog. ??The Governor shoots the

> coyote with his pistol and keeps jogging.

--------------------------------------------------------
Assume you have that gov on a leash or at least a muzzle.

Lew

Leon

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Feb 13, 2014, 8:43:28 AM2/13/14

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I think you miss it completely Lew, Energy whether it be from the wind
or the sun will be heavily taxed to support the liberals.

Leon

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Feb 13, 2014, 8:45:09 AM2/13/14

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On 2/12/2014 9:34 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:

As soon as all of your alternative energies become main stream and the
demand goes up so will the price. Economics 101.

Richard

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Feb 13, 2014, 11:11:05 AM2/13/14

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On 2/12/2014 9:34 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:

> "Richard" wrote:
>
>
>> Basic economics, Lew.
>>
>> The reason there are no viable alternative energy systems is simply
>> that they can't compete at $4 a gallon of gasoline.
>>
>> $4 gas is cheaper
>>
>> Maybe they can compete at $10 a gallon for gas.
>>
>>
>> But that pins energy at he $10 a gallon level.
>>
>> It won't bring the price of alternative energy down.
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Check the prices for natural gas for the truck market.
>
> They already beat diesel and provides a "bridge" fuel to reduced
> carbon
> dumping into the air we all breathe.

Supply and demand, Lew.
That's how it all works.

Add demand for natural gas and the price goes up.

>
> The price of electric vehicles continue to drop and will be more
> attractive
> as alternate sources of electrical generation continue to come on
> line.
>
> There are already hydrogen fueling stations here in California that
> allow you
> to drive the entire length of California in a fuel cell powered
> vehicle.

Again, add demand and see what happens...

> There is no question that energy costs will continue to rise, but what
> is the
> cost of climate change we are beginning to experience as a result of
> excessive use of fossil fuels?

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Feb 13, 2014, 6:17:39 PM2/13/14

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On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 19:34:29 -0800, "Lew Hodgett"
<sails...@verizon.net> wrote:

>
>"Richard" wrote:
>
>
>> Basic economics, Lew.
>>
>> The reason there are no viable alternative energy systems is simply
>> that they can't compete at $4 a gallon of gasoline.
>>
>> $4 gas is cheaper
>>
>> Maybe they can compete at $10 a gallon for gas.
>>
>>
>> But that pins energy at he $10 a gallon level.
>>
>> It won't bring the price of alternative energy down.
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Check the prices for natural gas for the truck market.

Check it for what?

>They already beat diesel and provides a "bridge" fuel to reduced
>carbon
>dumping into the air we all breathe.

...until it becomes prevalent enough to drive up the cost of natural
gas. As much as you may hate the concept, TANSTAAFL; never has been
and never will be.

>The price of electric vehicles continue to drop and will be more
>attractive
>as alternate sources of electrical generation continue to come on
>line.

Utter nonsense. They're for people with more money than brains.
...and *zero* economic sense.

>There are already hydrogen fueling stations here in California that
>allow you
>to drive the entire length of California in a fuel cell powered
>vehicle.

Try buying and maintaining one. *THEN* check out the price of
hydrogen. TANSTAAFL.

>There is no question that energy costs will continue to rise, but what
>is the
>cost of climate change we are beginning to experience as a result of
>excessive use of fossil fuels?

More utter nonsense. What we are "experiencing" is "weather". Go
figure. It's Winter.

>Stop the federal subsidies for fossil fuels and see how long $4/gallon
>gasoline lasts.

More nonsense, but not surprising.

>Off shore wind and hydro offer significant opportunities.

Martha's Vineyard seems to be a good place for it.

>Now that Ted Kennedy is gone, expect the windmill off Cape Cod to
>finally
>get installed and become operative.

The woman killer may be gone but there are a whole series of Barak
Obamas in the wings to take his place.

>Yes this problem will be solved and as with most tough problems,
>California will take the lead in solving it.
>

Not *THAT'S* funny! That's like saying that Illinois is solving
government finance problems.

k...@attt.bizz

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Feb 13, 2014, 6:21:27 PM2/13/14

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On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 10:48:59 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:

>On 2/13/2014 10:11 AM, Richard wrote:
>> On 2/12/2014 9:34 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>>> "Richard" wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Basic economics, Lew.
>>>>
>>>> The reason there are no viable alternative energy systems is simply
>>>> that they can't compete at $4 a gallon of gasoline.
>>>>
>>>> $4 gas is cheaper
>>>>
>>>> Maybe they can compete at $10 a gallon for gas.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But that pins energy at he $10 a gallon level.
>>>>
>>>> It won't bring the price of alternative energy down.
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Check the prices for natural gas for the truck market.
>>>
>>> They already beat diesel and provides a "bridge" fuel to reduced
>>> carbon
>>> dumping into the air we all breathe.
>>
>> Supply and demand, Lew.
>> That's how it all works.
>
>Actually in the last many years that explanation no longer holds water.
> There is a good supply and relatively low demand.
>
>What drives gasoline prices now is "what the market will bare".
>
>I cab buy upper tier gasoline from Chevron at 2.87 and one block north
>pay 3.09 at Exxon a lower tier station.

Chevron here is at least $.30 higher than everyone else. BP (no
Exxon) is a nickel more.

>Gasoline prices are pretty much set at what a particular station thinks
>it can or wants to charge.

What's not Econ 101 about that?

>I have a smart phone app that shows local gasoline prices and the prices
>differ greatly within a few miles even among the same brands.

Sure. Econ 101.

k...@attt.bizz

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Feb 13, 2014, 6:54:54 PM2/13/14

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On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 16:27:04 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:

It is supply and demand. People are using something other than price
to determine where to buy.

>When I say differ greatly, I mean for example you can go one mile west
>to the Chevron station and pay 22 cents per gallon less than if you one
>mile east to the Exxon station. Which way are you going to go??

Obviously, some are willing to pay more to buy *there*. By the same
logic, you're saying that home prices aren't decided by "supply and
demand", either?

>In that example it is all about how much are you willing to pay.

Do the prices at Exxon go up and down with the prices at Chevron? If
not, maybe I could buy your argument but I'll bet they do.

Lew Hodgett

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Feb 13, 2014, 7:44:45 PM2/13/14

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Ivanpah thermal solar project comes on line.

Three year construction in Mojave desert comes on line.

Will supply power for 140,000 homes in SoCal.

Replaces San Onofre nuclear facility taken off line.

Reduces CO2 emissions by 400,000 tons annually.

We are gaining on it.

Google < Ivanpah thermal solar project > for more info.

BTW, "Ivanpah" is a town near where project is located.

Lew

woodchucker

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Feb 13, 2014, 7:59:25 PM2/13/14

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There is a problem with solar panels though Lew, because they absorb so
much sun, they heat up the area.

So all the windmills affected the wind currents.
The solar panels will affect the temperatures.
There's no free lunch. I too am concious of the energy problems, and
waste problems we have. I had read about the super collectors where
mirrors focus the light and follow the sun, that also has problems.
Then there is the current GE commercial showing harnessing the ocean,
that too if built in big farms will have major issues. Imagine that
effecting the ocean currents, or chopping whales in half that venture
too close...
Many options in moderation might be the answer, but no single method
will wind up providing the answer, and thats the problem.

Fuel cells... it's expensive to break up water into hyrdrogen and
oxygen.It requires high amounts of electricty..
NO FREE LUNCH.. not today.

--
Jeff

Richard

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Feb 13, 2014, 8:30:39 PM2/13/14

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Feb 14, 2014, 8:56:19 AM2/14/14

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all of that to contribute a drop to the swimming pool.

Leon

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Feb 14, 2014, 9:00:42 AM2/14/14

Obviously the price of gasoline is not set by supply and demand.

By the same
> logic, you're saying that home prices aren't decided by "supply and
> demand", either?

No, only you have mentioned housing.

>
>> In that example it is all about how much are you willing to pay.
>
> Do the prices at Exxon go up and down with the prices at Chevron? If
> not, maybe I could buy your argument but I'll bet they do.

Absolutely not! I have seen the Exxon prices go up and the Chevron
prices go down and visa verse, but the Chevron station is always 20+
cents less expensive than the Exxon station. None of the gasoline
prices in the Houston metro area go up and down at the same time or in
the same direction. The stations have plenty of play in their pricing
strategies.

Leon

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Feb 14, 2014, 9:28:34 AM2/14/14

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What the market will bare..... Chevron and Shell in Houston tend to be
the very competitive in price with Exxon, Phillips, Texaco, Citgo, etc.
Often less expensive than the lower tier stations.

>
>> Gasoline prices are pretty much set at what a particular station thinks
>> it can or wants to charge.
>
> What's not Econ 101 about that?

Not a thing. You charge what you can get away with.

>
>> I have a smart phone app that shows local gasoline prices and the prices
>> differ greatly within a few miles even among the same brands.
>
> Sure. Econ 101.
>

Exactly and if supply and demand was driving the prices the prices would
not be fluctuating so greatly in a close area.

Doug Winterburn

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Feb 14, 2014, 10:24:30 AM2/14/14

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<http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=10&cad=rja&ved=0CIoBEBYwCQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702304703804579379230641329484.html&ei=HjT-Ur6mEdjdoATl24LQCA&usg=AFQjCNFudPHm0OdCghTsVXx2WUXNq-LqHw&sig2=lVZTle2ntqKYs0jnoRo9rA&bvm=bv.61190604,d.cGU>

Sounds like takes way too much land, costs four times a much as a
conventional NG plant and will produce far less energy, and frys birds
with its 1000 degree temperatures.

--
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure,the creed of ignorance, and the
gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery"
-Winston Churchill

k...@attt.bizz

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On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 21:37:06 -0500, woodchucker <nos...@nospam.com>
wrote:

>On 2/13/2014 8:30 PM, Richard wrote:
>> On 2/13/2014 6:59 PM, woodchucker wrote:
>>> On 2/13/2014 7:44 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>>>> Ivanpah thermal solar project comes on line.
>>>>
>>>> Three year construction in Mojave desert comes on line.
>>>>
>>>> Will supply power for 140,000 homes in SoCal.
>>>>
>>>> Replaces San Onofre nuclear facility taken off line.
>>>>
>>>> Reduces CO2 emissions by 400,000 tons annually.
>>>>
>>>> We are gaining on it.
>>>>
>>>> Google < Ivanpah thermal solar project > for more info.
>>>>
>>>> BTW, "Ivanpah" is a town near where project is located.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Lew
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> There is a problem with solar panels though Lew, because they absorb so
>>> much sun, they heat up the area.
>>>
>>> So all the windmills affected the wind currents.
>>> The solar panels will affect the temperatures.
>>>
>>
>> And the manufacturing process uses some very nasty chemistry as well!
>> Greeners tend to overlook the manufacturing load.
>> Inconvenient...
>True.. remember the cash for clunkers.. that certainly could not have
>been a green move, jus the steel production would outweigh any benefits.

Oh, but it was. It was designed to get those old polluting cars off
the road. Forget the fact that it took a lot of transportation off
the road that the poor could afford and was an incentive for them to
buy a car they couldn't afford.

>Never mind the plastics, or junking the old car...
>But hey, some see green, others see $$$ (green).. I just see BS

CfC was BS, all around.

k...@attt.bizz

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On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 08:12:18 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:

Even though history is filled with examples of exactly what's going on
now, lefties won't learn the lesson until they get past the final turn
in the stockyard.

k...@attt.bizz

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Feb 14, 2014, 1:12:55 PM2/14/14

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On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 08:23:57 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>

Yes we do, in fact. You have a limitation on real estate. People are
paying for convenience, not just gasoline.

>Two different places with in walking distance of each other with a price
>fluctuation of 10% is simply charging what the market will bare.
>

People are also brand sensitive (for several reasons). Supply and
demand still holds. The point is that it's not just "gasoline" that's
for sale.

>>> When I say differ greatly, I mean for example you can go one mile west
>>> to the Chevron station and pay 22 cents per gallon less than if you one
>>> mile east to the Exxon station. Which way are you going to go??
>>
>> Obviously, some are willing to pay more to buy *there*.
>
>Obviously the price of gasoline is not set by supply and demand.

You're wrong. It is *exactly* set by supply and demand but it's not
only gasoline that's for sale. It's Exxon vs Chevron that's for sale.
Different products.

> By the same
>> logic, you're saying that home prices aren't decided by "supply and
>> demand", either?
>
>No, only you have mentioned housing.
>

It's the same thing. Location matters.

>>
>>> In that example it is all about how much are you willing to pay.
>>
>> Do the prices at Exxon go up and down with the prices at Chevron? If
>> not, maybe I could buy your argument but I'll bet they do.
>
>Absolutely not! I have seen the Exxon prices go up and the Chevron
>prices go down and visa verse, but the Chevron station is always 20+
>cents less expensive than the Exxon station. None of the gasoline
>prices in the Houston metro area go up and down at the same time or in
>the same direction. The stations have plenty of play in their pricing
>strategies.

Over a period of time? Sure, for a day (or less, now, with
centralized/Internet control over these things) but I've never seen
one station trend high when everyone else was trending low.

k...@attt.bizz

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Feb 14, 2014, 1:15:35 PM2/14/14

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On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 08:28:34 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>

"What the market will bear" is *exactly* "supply and demand".

>>
>>> Gasoline prices are pretty much set at what a particular station thinks
>>> it can or wants to charge.
>>
>> What's not Econ 101 about that?
>
>Not a thing. You charge what you can get away with.

OK, so we agree. "What the market will bear" == "supply and demand"

>>
>>> I have a smart phone app that shows local gasoline prices and the prices
>>> differ greatly within a few miles even among the same brands.
>>
>> Sure. Econ 101.
>>
>
>Exactly and if supply and demand was driving the prices the prices would
>not be fluctuating so greatly in a close area.

Sure it would. There is some sensitivity to price between brands
which will force change but some have preferences for one vs. another.

Richard

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Feb 14, 2014, 8:59:27 PM2/14/14

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On 2/14/2014 12:02 PM, k...@attt.bizz wrote:

> CfC was BS, all around.

At risk of sounding "wrong", actually it isn't.

My ex-wife is a professor of organic chemistry,
which occasionally made for interesting pillow
talk. She walked me through the reactions one
evening. The chlorine molecules from the first
can of hair spray are still up there, combining
and recombining every day.

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On 2/15/2014 7:58 AM, Leon wrote:
> And FWIW, I have seen SAME BRAND stations with in a block of each other
> on the same street have a 10 price difference. The only convenience
> difference is that the lower price station is easier to afford.

The price differential between different stations in the same region is
where the "supply and demand" argument becomes totally inoperative/bullshit.

Not to mention, when the company raises the price +.10/gallon from
morning to afternoon, as they often do, the unsold gas in the ground
tanks, presumably bought at a "supply and demand" price that would
insure adequate profit/margins, is now worth .10/gallon more to that
profit/margin.

The old argument that this is justifiable because they will have to pay
more to refill the tanks is bullshit. Whatever they pay for the next
tanker load already has their margin/profit built-in to the price the
consumers will pay.

Local/regional prices do have a "supply and demand" component regarding
product price to the consumer, but it certainly nowhere near the
magnitude some would have you believe.

This is one business that operates under one basic, guiding principle,
and one principle only ... "Charge what the traffic will bear".

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And there you go again Lew.. Stop jerking us around. Your rant does not
do anything to resolve the issue.

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