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Lew Hodgett
Jul 7, 2014, 1:11:25 AM7/7/14
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Last Nov (2013), changed my health insurance provider and as a
result had to select an approved local pharmacy for drugs.
The closet place was Wal-Mart, not one of my favorite places,
but what the heck.
Last Friday, called in a refill which was ready within 4 hours.
Not bad, but wasn't going to be able to make the pick up
until Saturday.
Late Saturday afternoon, made the drug pick up as well as
a non drug item, something I've done before, so NBD.
For some reason decided to use plastic even though the
total amount was less than $15.00.
Signed the forms, picked up my merchandise, and was
on my way.
Just another day at Wal-Mart it would seem, but not so.
Returned home, put the items away and started looking
at the receipts.
WHAT THE HEY???
I've been invoiced $87 + Change.
Wal-Mart is closed for the day, so would have to wait until
Sunday (Today).
Called Wal-Mart, was told to bring receipts back and things
would be straightened out.
Other than having to make a 2nd trip, NBD.
Wal-Mart processes the paper and wants to give me cash
rather than credit the plastic.
Just didn't think that would be too swift and indicated I
preferred credit to the plastic.
Oh we are off to see the wizard, the wizard who could
override the system and manually issue credit to the plastic
rather than cash to my hot little hand.
Almost 30 minutes later, the deed was done.
It had been a classic 3 stooges act.
Credit was issued to the plastic and a 2nd plastic account
was used to charge the correct amount.
So much for my trip to Wal-Mart.
To summarize.
My insurance has approved another drug chain that is more
convenient.
As of 9:00PM tonight, the 2nd plastic account has been charged
the correct amount (Less than $15) and the first plastic account
has NOT recorded a credit ($87 + Change).
I wonder when the credit will show?
No, I don't know why I didn't pay cash as I usually do for these
items.
And no, I don't know why I didn't review things before I
signed the bill of sale, I just didn't.
Just another reason to stay away from Wal-Mart whose
aisles have become so small as to make it not worth the effort
to shop there.
Off the stump.
Lew
result had to select an approved local pharmacy for drugs.
The closet place was Wal-Mart, not one of my favorite places,
but what the heck.
Last Friday, called in a refill which was ready within 4 hours.
Not bad, but wasn't going to be able to make the pick up
until Saturday.
Late Saturday afternoon, made the drug pick up as well as
a non drug item, something I've done before, so NBD.
For some reason decided to use plastic even though the
total amount was less than $15.00.
Signed the forms, picked up my merchandise, and was
on my way.
Just another day at Wal-Mart it would seem, but not so.
Returned home, put the items away and started looking
at the receipts.
WHAT THE HEY???
I've been invoiced $87 + Change.
Wal-Mart is closed for the day, so would have to wait until
Sunday (Today).
Called Wal-Mart, was told to bring receipts back and things
would be straightened out.
Other than having to make a 2nd trip, NBD.
Wal-Mart processes the paper and wants to give me cash
rather than credit the plastic.
Just didn't think that would be too swift and indicated I
preferred credit to the plastic.
Oh we are off to see the wizard, the wizard who could
override the system and manually issue credit to the plastic
rather than cash to my hot little hand.
Almost 30 minutes later, the deed was done.
It had been a classic 3 stooges act.
Credit was issued to the plastic and a 2nd plastic account
was used to charge the correct amount.
So much for my trip to Wal-Mart.
To summarize.
My insurance has approved another drug chain that is more
convenient.
As of 9:00PM tonight, the 2nd plastic account has been charged
the correct amount (Less than $15) and the first plastic account
has NOT recorded a credit ($87 + Change).
I wonder when the credit will show?
No, I don't know why I didn't pay cash as I usually do for these
items.
And no, I don't know why I didn't review things before I
signed the bill of sale, I just didn't.
Just another reason to stay away from Wal-Mart whose
aisles have become so small as to make it not worth the effort
to shop there.
Off the stump.
Lew
Puckdropper at dot
Jul 7, 2014, 2:23:04 AM7/7/14
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"Lew Hodgett" <sails...@verizon.net> wrote in news:53ba2bfa$0$50641
$c3e8da3$92d0...@news.astraweb.com:
*snip*
>
> Lew
>
I sometimes see purchases and credits immediately, but other times it
takes a few days for them to show up. It's usually a delay in the
processing.
If you don't see it show up after a week or so, call your credit card
company and tell them what happened. They'll straighten things out.
Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.
$c3e8da3$92d0...@news.astraweb.com:
*snip*
> As of 9:00PM tonight, the 2nd plastic account has been charged
> the correct amount (Less than $15) and the first plastic account
> has NOT recorded a credit ($87 + Change).
>
> I wonder when the credit will show?
*snip*
> the correct amount (Less than $15) and the first plastic account
> has NOT recorded a credit ($87 + Change).
>
> I wonder when the credit will show?
>
> Lew
>
I sometimes see purchases and credits immediately, but other times it
takes a few days for them to show up. It's usually a delay in the
processing.
If you don't see it show up after a week or so, call your credit card
company and tell them what happened. They'll straighten things out.
Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.
Larry Blanchard
Jul 7, 2014, 12:48:27 PM7/7/14
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On Sun, 06 Jul 2014 22:11:25 -0700, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> Last Nov (2013), changed my health insurance provider and as a result
> had to select an approved local pharmacy for drugs.
>
> The closet place was Wal-Mart, not one of my favorite places, but what
> the heck.
We started using Walmart for prescriptions back before I was eligible for
> Last Nov (2013), changed my health insurance provider and as a result
> had to select an approved local pharmacy for drugs.
>
> The closet place was Wal-Mart, not one of my favorite places, but what
> the heck.
Medicare because we could get generics there cheaper than anywhere else.
Now that we're on a fixed income we do some of our shopping there and
still use their pharmacy.
We've only had two problems in 10+ years. Once they were out of a drug
and they called several non-Walmart pharmacies till they found it for me.
The other time their supplier jacked up the price of a generic a
ridiculous amount, but they had that fixed by the next time I needed a
refill.
Walmart is like Harbor Freight. Some good stuff and some junk. But I've
been pretty happy with their pharmacy.
I suspect it depends on where you live. We're in the Inland Northwest
and retailers in general seem to generate less complaints than elsewhere.
As an example, I wanted to buy a 12" SCMS from HF when it was on a
special sidewalk sale. I got there right after opening - both of the
ones on hand had been sold. The manager gave me a rain check. I said I
thought they didn't give rainchecks on special sale items. The manager
responded that this store did when ^%$#@ corporate only sent her 2 of a
hot item :-).
Scott Lurndal
Jul 7, 2014, 1:13:31 PM7/7/14
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Larry Blanchard <lbl...@fastmail.fm> writes:
>On Sun, 06 Jul 2014 22:11:25 -0700, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>
>> Last Nov (2013), changed my health insurance provider and as a result
>> had to select an approved local pharmacy for drugs.
>>
>> The closet place was Wal-Mart, not one of my favorite places, but what
>> the heck.
>
>We started using Walmart for prescriptions back before I was eligible for
>Medicare because we could get generics there cheaper than anywhere else.
>Now that we're on a fixed income we do some of our shopping there and
>still use their pharmacy.
>
>On Sun, 06 Jul 2014 22:11:25 -0700, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>
>> Last Nov (2013), changed my health insurance provider and as a result
>> had to select an approved local pharmacy for drugs.
>>
>> The closet place was Wal-Mart, not one of my favorite places, but what
>> the heck.
>
>We started using Walmart for prescriptions back before I was eligible for
>Medicare because we could get generics there cheaper than anywhere else.
>Now that we're on a fixed income we do some of our shopping there and
>still use their pharmacy.
>
>Walmart is like Harbor Freight. Some good stuff and some junk. But I've
>been pretty happy with their pharmacy.
>
The problem with Walmart is not the quality of their merchandise (albeit
>been pretty happy with their pharmacy.
>
often low) nor their prices (unusually low), but rather the adverse effect they have
on other merchants in many small communities, and thus on the health
of the community businesses.
Harbor Freight has no chance of driving the local hardware store out
of business, whereas Walmart has done that routinely and on a wide
scale.
Costco has good pharamacy prices (the best in the area, around here).
Ed Pawlowski
Jul 7, 2014, 1:44:34 PM7/7/14
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On 7/7/2014 1:13 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Harbor Freight has no chance of driving the local hardware store out
> of business, whereas Walmart has done that routinely and on a wide
> scale.
Exactly how did WalMart drive them out of business? Did they put up
> Harbor Freight has no chance of driving the local hardware store out
> of business, whereas Walmart has done that routinely and on a wide
> scale.
barricades that prevented people from going to them? Road closure?
Did WalMart harass their customers? Set up picket lines?
To my knowledge, WalMart has not put anyone out of business. What did
put them under is the lack of customers. It seems that their loyal
customers like the idea of going to a big store that carried a lot of
stuff and mostly soled it cheaper.
Much as some people complain about the bix box stores, they flock to
them in droves. They do it for the same reason you are telling us
Costco is a good place to go. Costco is replacing a hundred or more
little corner grocery stores.
And the we have on-line shopping. . .
Mike Marlow
Jul 7, 2014, 4:22:49 PM7/7/14
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Larry Blanchard wrote:
>
> Walmart is like Harbor Freight. Some good stuff and some junk. But
> I've been pretty happy with their pharmacy.
Likewise - I have been very happy with their pharmacy. I can't think of
>
> Walmart is like Harbor Freight. Some good stuff and some junk. But
> I've been pretty happy with their pharmacy.
anything one would care about in a pharmacy that Wal-Mart has failed me in.
And - very cheap prices.
>
> I suspect it depends on where you live. We're in the Inland Northwest
> and retailers in general seem to generate less complaints than
> elsewhere.
--
-Mike-
mmarlo...@windstream.net
Mike Marlow
Jul 7, 2014, 4:29:19 PM7/7/14
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store carries, does Wal-Mart carry and compete with? Very little. So,
here's something a bit more factual for you... a friend of mine used to own
a local ACE franchise and at the time Wal-Mart was coming into town. He
contacted ACE to ask how to compete, how to fight, etc. ACE responded that
the best thing that could happen for his franchise would be is Wal-Mart were
to go in right across the street. Consumers don't understand this and they
talk about how Wal-Mart drives business out of town, but it's simply not
true. What Wal-Mart typically drives out of town are the guys that have
been raping the public because they had no compeition prior to Wal-Mart's
arrival - and then they cry about the big giant driving the little guy out.
But... three years later - do you hear any consumer complaining about it?
The quality of the stuff in that "local" guy was no better than what
Wal-Mart sells, but was priced 2-3 time higher. Good thing that the rip off
artists got driven out of town. As for the hardware stores - ACE does
pretty well right next to Wal-Mart.
--
-Mike-
mmarlo...@windstream.net
Ed Pawlowski
Jul 7, 2014, 7:32:23 PM7/7/14
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On 7/7/2014 4:29 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> A very common misconception. Think about it - how much of what a hardware
> store carries, does Wal-Mart carry and compete with? Very little. So,
> here's something a bit more factual for you... a friend of mine used to own
> a local ACE franchise and at the time Wal-Mart was coming into town. He
> contacted ACE to ask how to compete, how to fight, etc. ACE responded that
> the best thing that could happen for his franchise would be is Wal-Mart were
> to go in right across the street. Consumers don't understand this and they
> talk about how Wal-Mart drives business out of town, but it's simply not
> true. What Wal-Mart typically drives out of town are the guys that have
> been raping the public because they had no compeition prior to Wal-Mart's
> arrival - and then they cry about the big giant driving the little guy out.
Similar is Home Depot driving the local lumber yard out of business. In
> A very common misconception. Think about it - how much of what a hardware
> store carries, does Wal-Mart carry and compete with? Very little. So,
> here's something a bit more factual for you... a friend of mine used to own
> a local ACE franchise and at the time Wal-Mart was coming into town. He
> contacted ACE to ask how to compete, how to fight, etc. ACE responded that
> the best thing that could happen for his franchise would be is Wal-Mart were
> to go in right across the street. Consumers don't understand this and they
> talk about how Wal-Mart drives business out of town, but it's simply not
> true. What Wal-Mart typically drives out of town are the guys that have
> been raping the public because they had no compeition prior to Wal-Mart's
> arrival - and then they cry about the big giant driving the little guy out.
south central MA we have a family owned Koopman's Lumber that recently
opened a fourth location.
Local locksmith was building a new storefront. He price the lumber
needed at HD and at Koopman's. The price seemed to favor HD by a couple
of hundred bucks. The difference? HD would have made one delivery
while the local guy made 4 or 5 as needed. When it came to cabinetry,
the local guy had a better selection.
I'm in the midst of remodeling the second bathroom. The first was about
12K and this will end up the same. Of all that money, only about $400
is from the big box stores. If you want better quality fixtures, you go
to the local stores that carry the better lines.
cl...@snyder.on.ca
Jul 7, 2014, 8:29:03 PM7/7/14
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as much of a problem. The established hardware store is downtown, with
limitted parking. WalMart moves out to the outskirts of town with a 40
acre parking lot. If the hardware store was next door to that 40 acre
parking lot they could compete quite effectively in the hardware
sphere. Same goes for the grocers, clothing stores, and other downtown
merchants. The Malls started the attack on the downtown - and Walmart
just accellerated it.
But what Walmart has been famous for, other than drawing all the
customers out of the "down-toen" area is championing a particular
product, and underselling everybody on that item so nobody else
bothers to carry it any more. When Walmart figures out they don't need
to sell it at a loss any more to get people into the store, they often
also decide it is not worth carrying, because they are not making any
mony on it. Then, you guessed it - it is no longer available ANYWHERE
locally any more.
They have driven the price low enough that the manufacturer isn't
making money either - and when WalMart pulls it off the shelf, the
manufacturer's cash flow crashes and they are out of business before
they can re-establish a distribution network at a price where they can
make money.
That's what I don't like about WalMart's business practices. I don't
shop much at WallMart.
cl...@snyder.on.ca
Jul 7, 2014, 8:33:27 PM7/7/14
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house, use the REAL suppliers.
If you are buying a house, look for Borg branded fixtures and
materials. Generally if they are in evidence, the seller cut corners
other places as well, so look REAL close, bid low, or WALK.
Mike Marlow
Jul 7, 2014, 9:09:28 PM7/7/14
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cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:
> If WallMart would move in next to the hardware stores it wouldn't be
> as much of a problem. The established hardware store is downtown, with
> limitted parking. WalMart moves out to the outskirts of town with a 40
> acre parking lot. If the hardware store was next door to that 40 acre
> parking lot they could compete quite effectively in the hardware
> sphere. Same goes for the grocers, clothing stores, and other downtown
> merchants. The Malls started the attack on the downtown - and Walmart
> just accellerated it.
I suppose that is very true in certain locations. Around here - not true at
> If WallMart would move in next to the hardware stores it wouldn't be
> as much of a problem. The established hardware store is downtown, with
> limitted parking. WalMart moves out to the outskirts of town with a 40
> acre parking lot. If the hardware store was next door to that 40 acre
> parking lot they could compete quite effectively in the hardware
> sphere. Same goes for the grocers, clothing stores, and other downtown
> merchants. The Malls started the attack on the downtown - and Walmart
> just accellerated it.
all. Where we see the sprawl that plants big box stores, Wal-Mart, etc., we
also see the likes of ACE. We don't see the mom and pop moving to those
same areas, but those who have established themselves seem to do ok where
they've always been. The ones that have been riding the wave over the years
by raping the public are quickly shut down - as they should be. We see ACE
within 1/2 mile or less of Wal-Mart, HD, Lowes, etc. and they all do well.
>
> But what Walmart has been famous for, other than drawing all the
> customers out of the "down-toen" area is championing a particular
> product, and underselling everybody on that item so nobody else
> bothers to carry it any more.
really had not noticed that. Well... maybe in certain areas like kid's toys
or home electronics, but other than that - I'm not aware of it. Again -
they don't really compete in hardware store areas.
> When Walmart figures out they don't need
> to sell it at a loss any more to get people into the store, they often
> also decide it is not worth carrying, because they are not making any
> mony on it. Then, you guessed it - it is no longer available ANYWHERE
> locally any more.
>
shopping habits may not make me aware of some things.
> They have driven the price low enough that the manufacturer isn't
> making money either - and when WalMart pulls it off the shelf, the
> manufacturer's cash flow crashes and they are out of business before
> they can re-establish a distribution network at a price where they can
> make money.
it's not really true. If you want to do business with them, you have to be
big enough to play by their rules, but they don't drive manufacturers out of
business. They do support a lot of very small businesses as well - as does
Lowes and HD. The garden departments are full of small business products
all spring and summer long. Flowers, plants, etc. Most of that stuff comes
from very small local companies. Well - very small compared to the host
store.
>
> That's what I don't like about WalMart's business practices. I don't
> shop much at WallMart.
I hate - I really hate the idea of walking into that store. But... it's a
reality in my life, so I force myself to be more controlled about it than I
sometimes am in the world of usenet. I'm no flag waving fan of Wal-Mart,
but I do believe they get unfairly blamed for things that they really are
not guilty of.
--
-Mike-
mmarlo...@windstream.net
Mike Marlow
Jul 7, 2014, 9:10:28 PM7/7/14
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cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:
> If you a flipping a house, use the Borg. If you are keeping the
> house, use the REAL suppliers.
> If you are buying a house, look for Borg branded fixtures and
> materials. Generally if they are in evidence, the seller cut corners
> other places as well, so look REAL close, bid low, or WALK.
IAWTP!
> If you a flipping a house, use the Borg. If you are keeping the
> house, use the REAL suppliers.
> If you are buying a house, look for Borg branded fixtures and
> materials. Generally if they are in evidence, the seller cut corners
> other places as well, so look REAL close, bid low, or WALK.
--
-Mike-
mmarlo...@windstream.net
cl...@snyder.on.ca
Jul 7, 2014, 10:34:12 PM7/7/14
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Walmart was the last place that carried it - always cheaper than
Canadian Tire who stopped carrying it quite a while ago. It was always
a lot cheaper at Walmart in the USA. Can you still buy it there? Last
time I was in the states, 2 walmarts didn't have it.
Cannot remember the other things that have dissapeared from the market
here after having been priced WAY too low by Walmart. One of the big
Pickle companies went down due to the above scenario. Sub $3 gallons
of Vlasic Pickles. After declaring bankrupsy in January 2001, they did
manage to restructure and survive - but they are no longer the
"premium brand" pickle they were previously.
There are other similar situations.
>
>
>> They have driven the price low enough that the manufacturer isn't
>> making money either - and when WalMart pulls it off the shelf, the
>> manufacturer's cash flow crashes and they are out of business before
>> they can re-establish a distribution network at a price where they can
>> make money.
>
>Well, to be fair - they are accused of that by uneducated outsiders, but
>it's not really true. If you want to do business with them, you have to be
>big enough to play by their rules, but they don't drive manufacturers out of
>business. They do support a lot of very small businesses as well - as does
>Lowes and HD. The garden departments are full of small business products
>all spring and summer long. Flowers, plants, etc. Most of that stuff comes
>from very small local companies. Well - very small compared to the host
>store.
One way to guarantee your profit will drop is to get one of your
>
>> They have driven the price low enough that the manufacturer isn't
>> making money either - and when WalMart pulls it off the shelf, the
>> manufacturer's cash flow crashes and they are out of business before
>> they can re-establish a distribution network at a price where they can
>> make money.
>
>Well, to be fair - they are accused of that by uneducated outsiders, but
>it's not really true. If you want to do business with them, you have to be
>big enough to play by their rules, but they don't drive manufacturers out of
>business. They do support a lot of very small businesses as well - as does
>Lowes and HD. The garden departments are full of small business products
>all spring and summer long. Flowers, plants, etc. Most of that stuff comes
>from very small local companies. Well - very small compared to the host
>store.
products into Walmart shelves. They drive down the percieved value of
your brand by making it a "bargan brand"
>>
>> That's what I don't like about WalMart's business practices. I don't
>> shop much at WallMart.
>
>And I cringe everytime I have to drive into my local Wal-Mart parking lot.
>I hate - I really hate the idea of walking into that store. But... it's a
>reality in my life, so I force myself to be more controlled about it than I
>sometimes am in the world of usenet. I'm no flag waving fan of Wal-Mart,
>but I do believe they get unfairly blamed for things that they really are
>not guilty of.
Well, I have a brother-in-law and his wife both work for WalMart in
>> That's what I don't like about WalMart's business practices. I don't
>> shop much at WallMart.
>
>And I cringe everytime I have to drive into my local Wal-Mart parking lot.
>I hate - I really hate the idea of walking into that store. But... it's a
>reality in my life, so I force myself to be more controlled about it than I
>sometimes am in the world of usenet. I'm no flag waving fan of Wal-Mart,
>but I do believe they get unfairly blamed for things that they really are
>not guilty of.
Windsor. They'd rather work elsewhere but beggars can't be choosers in
a town like Windsor.
k...@attt.bizz
Jul 7, 2014, 11:39:26 PM7/7/14
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On Mon, 7 Jul 2014 16:48:27 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard
<lbl...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>On Sun, 06 Jul 2014 22:11:25 -0700, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>
>> Last Nov (2013), changed my health insurance provider and as a result
>> had to select an approved local pharmacy for drugs.
>>
>> The closet place was Wal-Mart, not one of my favorite places, but what
>> the heck.
>
>We started using Walmart for prescriptions back before I was eligible for
>Medicare because we could get generics there cheaper than anywhere else.
>Now that we're on a fixed income we do some of our shopping there and
>still use their pharmacy.
We don't use Walmart Pharmacy (rather Kroger) but we're on vacation
<lbl...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>On Sun, 06 Jul 2014 22:11:25 -0700, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>
>> Last Nov (2013), changed my health insurance provider and as a result
>> had to select an approved local pharmacy for drugs.
>>
>> The closet place was Wal-Mart, not one of my favorite places, but what
>> the heck.
>
>We started using Walmart for prescriptions back before I was eligible for
>Medicare because we could get generics there cheaper than anywhere else.
>Now that we're on a fixed income we do some of our shopping there and
>still use their pharmacy.
and my wife forgot to pack one of her meds. She had her doctor send
the Rx to the WallyWorld (no Kroger here) here but as it turned out
they didn't have the drug in stock. They called all around the area
and found a drug store that had it. I thought that was rather good
since we never use them.
The woman at our insurance company gave my wife a ration, at first,
but she called back and got someone who was quite helpful. It turned
out that we had once-per-year "loss" coverage, so they just chalked it
up to a "loss" and covered it, resulting in a $25 co-pay rather than
$125 (for 10 pills).
>We've only had two problems in 10+ years. Once they were out of a drug
>and they called several non-Walmart pharmacies till they found it for me.
>The other time their supplier jacked up the price of a generic a
>ridiculous amount, but they had that fixed by the next time I needed a
>refill.
>
>Walmart is like Harbor Freight. Some good stuff and some junk. But I've
>been pretty happy with their pharmacy.
exactly the same thing as more expensive stores carry.
>I suspect it depends on where you live. We're in the Inland Northwest
>and retailers in general seem to generate less complaints than elsewhere.
>
>As an example, I wanted to buy a 12" SCMS from HF when it was on a
>special sidewalk sale. I got there right after opening - both of the
>ones on hand had been sold. The manager gave me a rain check. I said I
>thought they didn't give rainchecks on special sale items. The manager
>responded that this store did when ^%$#@ corporate only sent her 2 of a
>hot item :-).
the week before when the sale was running. I'm pretty careful about
what I buy at HF, but they've always been more than fair. They did
lose my debit card number, though. That turned into a minor PITA
(three weeks to get a new one - but that wasn't HF's fault).
k...@attt.bizz
Jul 7, 2014, 11:41:35 PM7/7/14
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Lurndal is a communist so, of course, wants to control everyone else.
Lew Hodgett
Jul 8, 2014, 12:10:02 AM7/8/14
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"Larry Blanchard" wrote:
> We started using Walmart for prescriptions back before I was
> eligible for
> Medicare because we could get generics there cheaper than anywhere
> else.
> Now that we're on a fixed income we do some of our shopping there
> and
> still use their pharmacy.
-------------------------------------------------------------
Prior to part D drug coverage, Sams Club had significantly lower
drug prices than Wal-Mart for the same drugs.
After part D became effective, it didn't make any difference where
you made a drug purchase, the part d plan chosen dictates the price,
not the retailer.
Where possible, I order a 90 day supply of drugs by mail.
The only drugs purchased locally are one time usage items or
when only 30 day supply can be purchased.
Based on the above, convenience and quality of service become
the deciding factors when chosing a local drug store.
As far as Wal-Mart itself is concerned, the place sucks.
The shelves are not stocked, every square inch of aisle space
is jamed with a display resting on a pallet.
In the event of an emergency, have no clue how to get out of the
place or how an EMT/fire/police would get in to provide service.
If I purchase locally, Wal-Mart is the vendor or last choice.
If I can't find it ANY PLACE else, will try Wal-Mart.
Off the stump.
Lew
Ed Pawlowski
Jul 8, 2014, 6:08:20 AM7/8/14
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On Mon, 07 Jul 2014 20:29:03 -0400, cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:
>
>They have driven the price low enough that the manufacturer isn't
>making money either - and when WalMart pulls it off the shelf, the
>manufacturer's cash flow crashes and they are out of business before
>they can re-establish a distribution network at a price where they can
>make money.
>
>That's what I don't like about WalMart's business practices. I don't
>shop much at WallMart.
Google:
>
>They have driven the price low enough that the manufacturer isn't
>making money either - and when WalMart pulls it off the shelf, the
>manufacturer's cash flow crashes and they are out of business before
>they can re-establish a distribution network at a price where they can
>make money.
>
>That's what I don't like about WalMart's business practices. I don't
>shop much at WallMart.
WalMart Vs Vlasic Pickle
WalMart vs Snapper mower
One said yes, the other said no. I don't feel sorry for the
manufacturer if they don't have the balls to say "no" to a price
decrease. It is a common practice.
About 10 years ago we did a couple of million dollars a year with a
large air conditioner manufacturer They squeezed us on price because
they had to compete with the off=shore maker. We gave them some
concessions. They came back at one point asking for much more. We
said "no" and one of our competitors took the business away from us.
They fined Chapter 11 a couple of years later.
Leon
Jul 8, 2014, 9:09:28 AM7/8/14
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they really really had other problems. A healthy company typically
should not rely on one company to survive.
Poor business decisions is why they wend down.
Despite 3 Borgs being with in 4 miles of a certain family hardware store
is SW Houston the store thrives and is growing and is less expensive
than the Borgs.
If the small mom and pop stores are failing it is because they never
were competitive and or did not provide good service.
cl...@snyder.on.ca
Jul 8, 2014, 12:27:10 PM7/8/14
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On Tue, 08 Jul 2014 08:09:28 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
Or were in a disadvantaged location compared to the big box stores.
I've seen many thrive by moving - but that still leaves the downtown a
ghost town for 10 years or so untill it is "re-gentrified" or filled
with bars and nightclubs
>
wrote:
I've seen many thrive by moving - but that still leaves the downtown a
ghost town for 10 years or so untill it is "re-gentrified" or filled
with bars and nightclubs
>
Larry Blanchard
Jul 8, 2014, 12:43:12 PM7/8/14
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On Mon, 07 Jul 2014 21:10:02 -0700, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> The shelves are not stocked, every square inch of aisle space is jamed
> with a display resting on a pallet.
>
> In the event of an emergency, have no clue how to get out of the place
> or how an EMT/fire/police would get in to provide service.
Like I said, depends on where you are. None of the above applies to the
> The shelves are not stocked, every square inch of aisle space is jamed
> with a display resting on a pallet.
>
> In the event of an emergency, have no clue how to get out of the place
> or how an EMT/fire/police would get in to provide service.
Walmart we go to.
Lee Michaels
Jul 8, 2014, 3:28:08 PM7/8/14
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"Larry Blanchard" <lbl...@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
news:lph730$3oa$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
that years ago, some of the smaller communities tried to make retail shops
have wider aisles to allow easier emergency access. The small retails
stores howled. After awhile, they said all the big stores had to have
access. Smaller stores could continue on as before.
And I have seen many large retail stores that I had difficulty walking
through because of massive amounts of displays on wheels designed to create
an obstacle course. Apparently, if you have to fight your way through this
mess, you buy more product.
I have only been to one walmart. But retail stores of all sizes have all
kinds of problems. You can tell where they exist in relation to each other
on a desirability scale. Some stores are in decline. Others are rising.
Some are in a death spiral And that can even apply to stores with a
particular chain. Retail is not for the faint hearted.
k...@attt.bizz
Jul 8, 2014, 3:44:20 PM7/8/14
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been run fairly well. I'm sure shift happens, like in all businesses
(with all people).
cl...@snyder.on.ca
Jul 8, 2014, 4:53:53 PM7/8/14
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On Tue, 8 Jul 2014 15:28:08 -0400, "Lee Michaels"
<leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net> wrote:
>
>
>"Larry Blanchard" <lbl...@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
>news:lph730$3oa$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
>> On Mon, 07 Jul 2014 21:10:02 -0700, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>>
>>> The shelves are not stocked, every square inch of aisle space is jamed
>>> with a display resting on a pallet.
>>>
>>> In the event of an emergency, have no clue how to get out of the place
>>> or how an EMT/fire/police would get in to provide service.
>>
>> Like I said, depends on where you are. None of the above applies to the
>> Walmart we go to.
>
>That may also have something to do with local codes and enforcement. I know
>that years ago, some of the smaller communities tried to make retail shops
>have wider aisles to allow easier emergency access. The small retails
>stores howled. After awhile, they said all the big stores had to have
>access. Smaller stores could continue on as before.
>
>And I have seen many large retail stores that I had difficulty walking
>through because of massive amounts of displays on wheels designed to create
>an obstacle course. Apparently, if you have to fight your way through this
>mess, you buy more product.
Not me. I just head for the door.
<leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net> wrote:
>
>
>"Larry Blanchard" <lbl...@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
>news:lph730$3oa$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
>> On Mon, 07 Jul 2014 21:10:02 -0700, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>>
>>> The shelves are not stocked, every square inch of aisle space is jamed
>>> with a display resting on a pallet.
>>>
>>> In the event of an emergency, have no clue how to get out of the place
>>> or how an EMT/fire/police would get in to provide service.
>>
>> Like I said, depends on where you are. None of the above applies to the
>> Walmart we go to.
>
>That may also have something to do with local codes and enforcement. I know
>that years ago, some of the smaller communities tried to make retail shops
>have wider aisles to allow easier emergency access. The small retails
>stores howled. After awhile, they said all the big stores had to have
>access. Smaller stores could continue on as before.
>
>And I have seen many large retail stores that I had difficulty walking
>through because of massive amounts of displays on wheels designed to create
>an obstacle course. Apparently, if you have to fight your way through this
>mess, you buy more product.
>
>I have only been to one walmart. But retail stores of all sizes have all
>kinds of problems. You can tell where they exist in relation to each other
>on a desirability scale. Some stores are in decline. Others are rising.
>Some are in a death spiral And that can even apply to stores with a
>particular chain. Retail is not for the faint hearted.
>
>
That's for sure. Nor is the service sector.
>I have only been to one walmart. But retail stores of all sizes have all
>kinds of problems. You can tell where they exist in relation to each other
>on a desirability scale. Some stores are in decline. Others are rising.
>Some are in a death spiral And that can even apply to stores with a
>particular chain. Retail is not for the faint hearted.
>
>
Lew Hodgett
Jul 8, 2014, 9:31:52 PM7/8/14
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"Lew Hodgett" wrote:
> As of 9:00PM tonight, the 2nd plastic account has been charged
> the correct amount (Less than $15) and the first plastic account
> has NOT recorded a credit ($87 + Change).
>
> I wonder when the credit will show?
In all fairness, credits have been posted today (07/08/14).
Lew
Leon
Jul 9, 2014, 7:48:54 AM7/9/14
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location. I absolutely hate having to navigate and dodge speeding traffic
to get into or out of their prime high volume traffic locations. I much
prefer accessing the mom and pop location located on a side street and or a
much less traveled major through street. FWIW in the example I mentioned
above, proportionally the mom and pop hardware store has a smaller
percentage of open parking spots than the local Borg. Some times you have
to circle the block to give someone time to leave and open a spot to park.
Like the Borg, the parking lot is probably bigger than the store
What they do offer over the Borg is better pricing and a staff that greets
you at the door and have been there for years.
Bill
Jul 9, 2014, 4:08:49 PM7/9/14
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Leon wrote:
> In almost every case I consider the big box stores to be in a far
> worse location. I absolutely hate having to navigate and dodge
> speeding traffic to get into or out of their prime high volume traffic
> locations. I much prefer accessing the mom and pop location located on
> a side street and or a much less traveled major through street. FWIW
> in the example I mentioned above, proportionally the mom and pop
> hardware store has a smaller percentage of open parking spots than the
> local Borg. Some times you have to circle the block to give someone
> time to leave and open a spot to park. Like the Borg, the parking lot
> is probably bigger than the store What they do offer over the Borg is
> better pricing and a staff that greets you at the door and have been
> there for years.
We lost our True Value Hardware, which sat in front of Menards, to an
> In almost every case I consider the big box stores to be in a far
> worse location. I absolutely hate having to navigate and dodge
> speeding traffic to get into or out of their prime high volume traffic
> locations. I much prefer accessing the mom and pop location located on
> a side street and or a much less traveled major through street. FWIW
> in the example I mentioned above, proportionally the mom and pop
> hardware store has a smaller percentage of open parking spots than the
> local Borg. Some times you have to circle the block to give someone
> time to leave and open a spot to park. Like the Borg, the parking lot
> is probably bigger than the store What they do offer over the Borg is
> better pricing and a staff that greets you at the door and have been
> there for years.
Aldi's,
and there is a Salvation Army where the last Ace Hardware stood.
Lew Hodgett
Jul 9, 2014, 4:22:30 PM7/9/14
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"Bill" wrote:
> We lost our True Value Hardware, which sat in front of Menards, to
> an Aldi's,
> and there is a Salvation Army where the last Ace Hardware stood.
Pretty well defines where the neighborhood is headed.
Aldi's is definitely not high end.
Lew
Bill
Jul 9, 2014, 4:48:54 PM7/9/14
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Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "Bill" wrote:
>
>> We lost our True Value Hardware, which sat in front of Menards, to
>> an Aldi's,
>> and there is a Salvation Army where the last Ace Hardware stood.
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Pretty well defines where the neighborhood is headed.
Yes, but what is worse, I re-visited Lawton, Oklahoma this
> "Bill" wrote:
>
>> We lost our True Value Hardware, which sat in front of Menards, to
>> an Aldi's,
>> and there is a Salvation Army where the last Ace Hardware stood.
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Pretty well defines where the neighborhood is headed.
summer and saw houses and a strip of really cheap restaurants
thrown up along a river where natural cliffs used to be (at Medicine
Park, in case anyone is familiar). I hadn't had a chance to visit that
particular location
since the late 80's. I should have taken more pictures (in the late
80's). My wife took one (remember the chair?), because she knew if was
sentimental to me.
Fortunately, the Wichita Mountains Wildlife Refuge remained intact,
though I didn't see any buffalo over 3 days.
k...@attt.bizz
Jul 9, 2014, 6:26:29 PM7/9/14
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uncontrolled intersections. BORGs and Lowes are almost always right
next to each other. It's rare that one or the other won't have what I
want. OTOH, it's rare to find a decent hardware store anymore. A
"lumber yard" is even more rare and they often don't want my business.
That's fine but they don't want my money, either.
If I have to circle around to find on-street parking, forget it.
>What they do offer over the Borg is better pricing and a staff that greets
>you at the door and have been there for years.
though if there were a good HW store in the area, I'd certainly make
good use of it. The only hardware stores around are so small they
have little more than a WallyWorld. I try to plan ahead and buy
hardware on the Internet.
Leon
Jul 9, 2014, 6:57:46 PM7/9/14
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of business. ;~0..
Leon
Jul 9, 2014, 7:15:12 PM7/9/14
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on a feeder road to a freeway typically not near a traffic light. You
might have a stop sign when leaving the parking lot.
BORGs and Lowes are almost always right
> next to each other.
It's rare that one or the other won't have what I
> want. OTOH, it's rare to find a decent hardware store anymore.
> "lumber yard" is even more rare and they often don't want my business.
> That's fine but they don't want my money, either.
>
> If I have to circle around to find on-street parking, forget it.
lot that is not a part of the street.
>
>> What they do offer over the Borg is better pricing and a staff that greets
>> you at the door and have been there for years.
>
> I don't find A WallyWorld "greeter" to be any sort of a benefit,
> though if there were a good HW store in the area, I'd certainly make
> good use of it. The only hardware stores around are so small they
> have little more than a WallyWorld. I try to plan ahead and buy
> hardware on the Internet.
>
about has employees that greet you at the door and walk you to what you
are looking for and handle the need whether it be re-screening a window
screen, cutting glass, cutting keys, overhauling a faucet, carrying out
a bag of fertilizer for you. What ever they sell they service and carry
out for you. And yes they are less expensive than the Borgs.
They know how to run a business and are still thriving because of that
fact. Local hardware stores that close because of a new Borg were not
doing something right as witnessed by the customers vote. They very
well were a bit too greedy or simply not offering the service that one
used to expect from a local mom and pop.
k...@attt.bizz
Jul 9, 2014, 7:41:12 PM7/9/14
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On Wed, 09 Jul 2014 18:15:12 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>On 7/9/2014 5:26 PM, k...@attt.bizz wrote:
>> On Wed, 09 Jul 2014 06:48:54 -0500, Leon <lcb1...@swbell.net> wrote:
>>
>>> <cl...@snyder.on.ca> wrote:
<...>
>>> In almost every case I consider the big box stores to be in a far worse
>>> location. I absolutely hate having to navigate and dodge speeding traffic
>>> to get into or out of their prime high volume traffic locations. I much
>>> prefer accessing the mom and pop location located on a side street and or a
>>> much less traveled major through street. FWIW in the example I mentioned
>>> above, proportionally the mom and pop hardware store has a smaller
>>> percentage of open parking spots than the local Borg. Some times you have
>>> to circle the block to give someone time to leave and open a spot to park.
>>> Like the Borg, the parking lot is probably bigger than the store
>>
>> I rather like having a traffic light, rather than have to negotiate
>> uncontrolled intersections.
>
>I don't know where you are at but in Houston most all of the Borgs are
>on a feeder road to a freeway typically not near a traffic light. You
>might have a stop sign when leaving the parking lot.
>
Atlanta (home of Home Depot), but they're pretty much the same
everywhere I've lived. They're close to an interstate interchange
(necessary for the trucks) but there's always a light right by the
store. There's usually other big box stores nearby, for the same
reasons. The only place I've lived where there aren't lights right at
the BORG, they're once removed (at the entrance to a large big box
shopping center).
(I'm currently on vacation).
> It's rare that one or the other won't have what I
>> want. OTOH, it's rare to find a decent hardware store anymore.
>
>
>Agreed, I suspect most were priced too high to be competitive.
Yep. Or didn't have the critical mass of inventory. Where I was in
VT, the lumber yard that went out shortly after HD came in (blamed on
HD, of course) had little inventory, the *worst* attitude, and left
their dimensional lumber sit outside in the mud. No surprise they
closed within six months of HD coming in.
>> "lumber yard" is even more rare and they often don't want my business.
>> That's fine but they don't want my money, either.
>>
>> If I have to circle around to find on-street parking, forget it.
> I'm not talking about on street parking, I'm talking about a parking
>lot that is not a part of the street.
I don't bother with any retail that doesn't have sufficient parking -
not even touristy places.
>The hardware store that I am talking
>about has employees that greet you at the door and walk you to what you
>are looking for and handle the need whether it be re-screening a window
>screen, cutting glass, cutting keys, overhauling a faucet, carrying out
>a bag of fertilizer for you. What ever they sell they service and carry
>out for you. And yes they are less expensive than the Borgs.
A good hardware store should be cheaper than the BORG. They aren't
designed to be cheap. The problem is that they're not usually as well
stocked as the BORG and that isn't saying much.
>They know how to run a business and are still thriving because of that
>fact. Local hardware stores that close because of a new Borg were not
>doing something right as witnessed by the customers vote. They very
>well were a bit too greedy or simply not offering the service that one
>used to expect from a local mom and pop.
Agreed. 100%. The mom&pop places weren't killed by the BORG (or
WallyWorld, or whatever), they committed suicide. People weren't
forced to spend their money at the big box stores.
wrote:
>On 7/9/2014 5:26 PM, k...@attt.bizz wrote:
>> On Wed, 09 Jul 2014 06:48:54 -0500, Leon <lcb1...@swbell.net> wrote:
>>
>>> <cl...@snyder.on.ca> wrote:
>>> In almost every case I consider the big box stores to be in a far worse
>>> location. I absolutely hate having to navigate and dodge speeding traffic
>>> to get into or out of their prime high volume traffic locations. I much
>>> prefer accessing the mom and pop location located on a side street and or a
>>> much less traveled major through street. FWIW in the example I mentioned
>>> above, proportionally the mom and pop hardware store has a smaller
>>> percentage of open parking spots than the local Borg. Some times you have
>>> to circle the block to give someone time to leave and open a spot to park.
>>> Like the Borg, the parking lot is probably bigger than the store
>>
>> I rather like having a traffic light, rather than have to negotiate
>> uncontrolled intersections.
>
>I don't know where you are at but in Houston most all of the Borgs are
>on a feeder road to a freeway typically not near a traffic light. You
>might have a stop sign when leaving the parking lot.
>
everywhere I've lived. They're close to an interstate interchange
(necessary for the trucks) but there's always a light right by the
store. There's usually other big box stores nearby, for the same
reasons. The only place I've lived where there aren't lights right at
the BORG, they're once removed (at the entrance to a large big box
shopping center).
>
> BORGs and Lowes are almost always right
>> next to each other.
>
>Not in Houston.
Where there's a Lowes, there's a HD within spitting range, around home
> BORGs and Lowes are almost always right
>> next to each other.
>
>Not in Houston.
(I'm currently on vacation).
> It's rare that one or the other won't have what I
>> want. OTOH, it's rare to find a decent hardware store anymore.
>
>
>Agreed, I suspect most were priced too high to be competitive.
VT, the lumber yard that went out shortly after HD came in (blamed on
HD, of course) had little inventory, the *worst* attitude, and left
their dimensional lumber sit outside in the mud. No surprise they
closed within six months of HD coming in.
>> "lumber yard" is even more rare and they often don't want my business.
>> That's fine but they don't want my money, either.
>>
>> If I have to circle around to find on-street parking, forget it.
> I'm not talking about on street parking, I'm talking about a parking
>lot that is not a part of the street.
not even touristy places.
>
>>
>>> What they do offer over the Borg is better pricing and a staff that greets
>>> you at the door and have been there for years.
>>
>> I don't find A WallyWorld "greeter" to be any sort of a benefit,
>> though if there were a good HW store in the area, I'd certainly make
>> good use of it. The only hardware stores around are so small they
>> have little more than a WallyWorld. I try to plan ahead and buy
>> hardware on the Internet.
>>
>
>Ok, where did Walmart come from.
"a staff that greets you at the door" ;-)
>>
>>> What they do offer over the Borg is better pricing and a staff that greets
>>> you at the door and have been there for years.
>>
>> I don't find A WallyWorld "greeter" to be any sort of a benefit,
>> though if there were a good HW store in the area, I'd certainly make
>> good use of it. The only hardware stores around are so small they
>> have little more than a WallyWorld. I try to plan ahead and buy
>> hardware on the Internet.
>>
>
>Ok, where did Walmart come from.
>The hardware store that I am talking
>about has employees that greet you at the door and walk you to what you
>are looking for and handle the need whether it be re-screening a window
>screen, cutting glass, cutting keys, overhauling a faucet, carrying out
>a bag of fertilizer for you. What ever they sell they service and carry
>out for you. And yes they are less expensive than the Borgs.
designed to be cheap. The problem is that they're not usually as well
stocked as the BORG and that isn't saying much.
>They know how to run a business and are still thriving because of that
>fact. Local hardware stores that close because of a new Borg were not
>doing something right as witnessed by the customers vote. They very
>well were a bit too greedy or simply not offering the service that one
>used to expect from a local mom and pop.
WallyWorld, or whatever), they committed suicide. People weren't
forced to spend their money at the big box stores.
Mike Marlow
Jul 9, 2014, 9:52:12 PM7/9/14
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major retailers are not serviced by some sort of traffic control, that's a
reflection of the local ordinances and not of the retailer. I can't think
of a lot of the majors that are not controled by lights. And... it is
common knowledge that HD and Lowes (or insert other competing name...)
locate near each other, just like McDonalds and Burger King do. That is
simply their location strategy.
>
> Yep. Or didn't have the critical mass of inventory. Where I was in
> VT, the lumber yard that went out shortly after HD came in (blamed on
> HD, of course) had little inventory, the *worst* attitude, and left
> their dimensional lumber sit outside in the mud. No surprise they
> closed within six months of HD coming in.
out of business.
>
> I don't bother with any retail that doesn't have sufficient parking -
> not even touristy places.
--
-Mike-
mmarlo...@windstream.net
Roy
Jul 9, 2014, 10:55:41 PM7/9/14
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On Wed, 09 Jul 2014 06:48:54 -0500, Leon <lcb1...@swbell.net> wrote:
>>>> Try to but Marvel Mystery Oil anywhere in Canada.
>>>> Walmart was the last place that carried it - always cheaper than
>>>> Canadian Tire who stopped carrying it quite a while ago. It was always
>>>> a lot cheaper at Walmart in the USA. Can you still buy it there? Last
>>>> time I was in the states, 2 walmarts didn't have it.
>>>>
You can tell from all the >>>>> that this reply is late in the thread and I have
>>>> Try to but Marvel Mystery Oil anywhere in Canada.
>>>> Walmart was the last place that carried it - always cheaper than
>>>> Canadian Tire who stopped carrying it quite a while ago. It was always
>>>> a lot cheaper at Walmart in the USA. Can you still buy it there? Last
>>>> time I was in the states, 2 walmarts didn't have it.
>>>>
no idea who posted the original bitch. DAGS for "Marvel Mystery Oil Canada" and
you will get many hits, including Canadian phone numbers.
FWIW, my local True Value hardware and both Wally's in driving distance carry it
on the shelf. Ask someone to order it for you? The RC airplane people use it
as an after-run oil for their model engines so you might try a hobby shop.
There is a pretty good RC section in the hobby shop catty-corner across the
street from the Lee Valley store in Calgary. Road trip?
cl...@snyder.on.ca
Jul 9, 2014, 11:10:12 PM7/9/14
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On Wed, 09 Jul 2014 21:55:41 -0500, Roy <NOSPAM...@comcast.net>
wrote:
From an earlier discussion on another group in 2011 re: MMO
"I contacted the Canadian distribution telephone number for Western
Canada, and the fellow phoned me back a day or so later. He kindly
explained that MMO has not been available Canada for a little over a
year now. Seems the company was being required to re-label its
products in both English and French in order to qualify to have it
imported into Canada, and they chose not to spend the money on
converting their English-only labels to English & French, just for the
Canadian market.
So, your only hope of actually buying some in Canada is to find a
retailer who has some old stock ....shouldn�t matter how old the stuff
is. Chances are, you�ll find it in the strangest places ..so just keep
asking. I called a True-Value Hardware store in a nearby small town
...they had some up until a few months ago, but were sold out and
didn�t know why they couldn�t get any more. (I didn�t have the heart
to tell them!) Then, I was in a local Castle Building Centres store
(they also carry hardware, and oils and stuff) and I asked the guy if
he�d ever heard of MMO, and he said, �Sure, there�s some on the shelf
right over there!� ...I almost hugged the guy. He had 4 gallon jugs on
the shelf, and said he had the rest of the case in the warehouse.
Turns out Castle Building Centres is a member of the same �buying
group� as True-Value Hardware. There are other regional stores that
are members of that same buying group, so chances are they might have
some in stock as well. So, in addition to True Value stores, look for
�V&S;Stores� and �Country Depot� stores. Check out:
http://www.truserv.ca/pls/truserv_pub/truserv.app and click on the
Store Locations finder. There are stores all over Ontario that belong
to the Truserv buying group. In Toronto, there�s Roncesvalles True
Value Hardware, on Roncesvalles Avenue. "
So, no, it is NOT available in Canada. mabee not because of WalMart -
but if Walmart wanted it bad enough, they'd get the BiLingual labels.
wrote:
"I contacted the Canadian distribution telephone number for Western
Canada, and the fellow phoned me back a day or so later. He kindly
explained that MMO has not been available Canada for a little over a
year now. Seems the company was being required to re-label its
products in both English and French in order to qualify to have it
imported into Canada, and they chose not to spend the money on
converting their English-only labels to English & French, just for the
Canadian market.
So, your only hope of actually buying some in Canada is to find a
retailer who has some old stock ....shouldn�t matter how old the stuff
is. Chances are, you�ll find it in the strangest places ..so just keep
asking. I called a True-Value Hardware store in a nearby small town
...they had some up until a few months ago, but were sold out and
didn�t know why they couldn�t get any more. (I didn�t have the heart
to tell them!) Then, I was in a local Castle Building Centres store
(they also carry hardware, and oils and stuff) and I asked the guy if
he�d ever heard of MMO, and he said, �Sure, there�s some on the shelf
right over there!� ...I almost hugged the guy. He had 4 gallon jugs on
the shelf, and said he had the rest of the case in the warehouse.
Turns out Castle Building Centres is a member of the same �buying
group� as True-Value Hardware. There are other regional stores that
are members of that same buying group, so chances are they might have
some in stock as well. So, in addition to True Value stores, look for
�V&S;Stores� and �Country Depot� stores. Check out:
http://www.truserv.ca/pls/truserv_pub/truserv.app and click on the
Store Locations finder. There are stores all over Ontario that belong
to the Truserv buying group. In Toronto, there�s Roncesvalles True
Value Hardware, on Roncesvalles Avenue. "
So, no, it is NOT available in Canada. mabee not because of WalMart -
but if Walmart wanted it bad enough, they'd get the BiLingual labels.
Leon
Jul 10, 2014, 9:01:36 AM7/10/14
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In Houston it mat be a lack of zoning thing but none of the Borges are
close enough to an intersection to matter. And for that matter, HD probably
out numbers Lowes man 2 to 1. Well I just counted. 24 Lowes and 43 HD's
in the Houston metro area.
k...@attt.bizz
Jul 10, 2014, 12:02:27 PM7/10/14
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have the same site selection criterion. In fact, I only know of one
Lowes (Essex, VT) that doesn't have a HD within sight.
Mike Marlow
Jul 10, 2014, 12:26:21 PM7/10/14
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Leon wrote:
>
> In Houston it mat be a lack of zoning thing but none of the Borges are
> close enough to an intersection to matter. And for that matter, HD
> probably out numbers Lowes man 2 to 1. Well I just counted. 24
> Lowes and 43 HD's in the Houston metro area.
>
>
Sorry Leon - I might not have been clear in what I was saying. I wasn't
>
> In Houston it mat be a lack of zoning thing but none of the Borges are
> close enough to an intersection to matter. And for that matter, HD
> probably out numbers Lowes man 2 to 1. Well I just counted. 24
> Lowes and 43 HD's in the Houston metro area.
>
>
saying they were near intersections, but that they have traffic controlled
parking lots - or perimeter roads. As for the number of HD vs. Lowe's -
I've lost track of that stuff myself. I know it was only a couple of years
ago that Lowe's shut down more stores than HD had shut down only a couple of
years before that. It may well be that HD outnumbers Lowe's in a lot of
locations by now.
--
-Mike-
mmarlo...@windstream.net
Leon
Jul 10, 2014, 1:47:25 PM7/10/14
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one from the others parking lot. I sure wish that were true here
though. I have 3 HD's withing 6 miles of my home the closest Lowe's is
probably 8 miles away.
I suspect that this, as I mentioned earlier, might be a zoning
situation. In the Houston area there is no zoning so anything can go up
anywhere unless we are talking a master planned community. In other
cities retail establishments have a restriction as to where they can be
located so there are less places to build and would naturally tend to be
located closer to one another.
Ed Pawlowski
Jul 10, 2014, 2:13:31 PM7/10/14
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On 7/10/2014 12:02 PM, k...@attt.bizz wrote:
> Sure, that ratio is about right, even high. The point was that they
> have the same site selection criterion. In fact, I only know of one
> Lowes (Essex, VT) that doesn't have a HD within sight.
>
We have a Lowe's 7 miles from us. In every direction, the HD is 20
> Sure, that ratio is about right, even high. The point was that they
> have the same site selection criterion. In fact, I only know of one
> Lowes (Essex, VT) that doesn't have a HD within sight.
>
miles from us so they have them surrounded.
Doug Winterburn
Jul 10, 2014, 2:17:57 PM7/10/14
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intersection. A few years later, Lowes sprouted on the NW corner of the
same intersection.
In Chandler, AZ, HD and Lowes are kitty corner from each other at the
intersection of Arizona Ave and Home Improvement Way.
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gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery"
-Winston Churchill
Leon
Jul 10, 2014, 2:49:38 PM7/10/14
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Lowe's by 5 to 1. I was surprised that the margin has shrunk to about 2
to 1. so if that trend continues Lowe's may out number the HD's, here,
in the next few years.
Doug Miller
Jul 10, 2014, 2:54:43 PM7/10/14
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Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in news:nbydnTi-ELxfTCPOnZ2dnUVZ5h-
dn...@giganews.com:
> On 7/10/2014 11:02 AM, k...@attt.bizz wrote:
>> Sure, that ratio is about right, even high. The point was that they
>> have the same site selection criterion. In fact, I only know of one
>> Lowes (Essex, VT) that doesn't have a HD within sight.
>
> Come to Houston, LOL, you will find that to not be true. You cannot see
> one from the others parking lot. I sure wish that were true here
> though. I have 3 HD's withing 6 miles of my home the closest Lowe's is
> probably 8 miles away.
Not the case in Indianapolis either -- none of the Lowe's stores in metro Indy have a Home
Depot within sight, and only one has a Home Depot within a mile of it.
dn...@giganews.com:
> On 7/10/2014 11:02 AM, k...@attt.bizz wrote:
>> Sure, that ratio is about right, even high. The point was that they
>> have the same site selection criterion. In fact, I only know of one
>> Lowes (Essex, VT) that doesn't have a HD within sight.
>
> Come to Houston, LOL, you will find that to not be true. You cannot see
> one from the others parking lot. I sure wish that were true here
> though. I have 3 HD's withing 6 miles of my home the closest Lowe's is
> probably 8 miles away.
Depot within sight, and only one has a Home Depot within a mile of it.
no...@none.com
Jul 10, 2014, 3:34:42 PM7/10/14
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On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 13:49:38 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
here in Toronto. One of them closed down recently so there's only one
Lowe's in a very large area. None of them were anywhere near a Home
Depot which always has greatly outnumbered Lowe's feeble push into
Toronto. Guess the graphics are different up here.
>It has to be a location thing. 10 years ago HD probably out numbered
>Lowe's by 5 to 1. I was surprised that the margin has shrunk to about 2
>to 1. so if that trend continues Lowe's may out number the HD's, here,
>in the next few years.
Seems the reverse is true up here in Toronto. There were two Lowe's up
>Lowe's by 5 to 1. I was surprised that the margin has shrunk to about 2
>to 1. so if that trend continues Lowe's may out number the HD's, here,
>in the next few years.
here in Toronto. One of them closed down recently so there's only one
Lowe's in a very large area. None of them were anywhere near a Home
Depot which always has greatly outnumbered Lowe's feeble push into
Toronto. Guess the graphics are different up here.
k...@attt.bizz
Jul 10, 2014, 4:59:03 PM7/10/14
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On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 12:47:25 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
I didn't (mean to) say that there was a Lowes for every HD, just that
they have the same siting policy; they have the same requirements. In
addition, there is almost always an HD within sight of a Lowes (but
the reverse is not true).
>I suspect that this, as I mentioned earlier, might be a zoning
>situation. In the Houston area there is no zoning so anything can go up
>anywhere unless we are talking a master planned community. In other
>cities retail establishments have a restriction as to where they can be
>located so there are less places to build and would naturally tend to be
>located closer to one another.
That's certainly true in some (usually smaller) cities. However,
there are many such zoned commercial locations in a large city, yet
the BORG and Lowes tend to pick the same sites. Lowes often follows
HD, in fact.
they have the same siting policy; they have the same requirements. In
addition, there is almost always an HD within sight of a Lowes (but
the reverse is not true).
>I suspect that this, as I mentioned earlier, might be a zoning
>situation. In the Houston area there is no zoning so anything can go up
>anywhere unless we are talking a master planned community. In other
>cities retail establishments have a restriction as to where they can be
>located so there are less places to build and would naturally tend to be
>located closer to one another.
there are many such zoned commercial locations in a large city, yet
the BORG and Lowes tend to pick the same sites. Lowes often follows
HD, in fact.
FrozenNorth
Jul 10, 2014, 4:59:33 PM7/10/14
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locating as close as possible to the HD stores.
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FrozenNorth
Jul 10, 2014, 5:01:27 PM7/10/14
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busy, and the staff are fabulous, much better than the nearby HD.
no...@none.com
Jul 10, 2014, 5:57:02 PM7/10/14
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On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 17:01:27 -0400, FrozenNorth
one that closed down not too long ago) was located in Kennedy Commons.
I went shopping at Kennedy Commons because of the Metro and Petsmart.
I always allowed time to wander around the Lowe's to see what was new.
>Ok, I am on the outskirts of the city, but the Lowe's near me is always
>busy, and the staff are fabulous, much better than the nearby HD.
Yeah, I agree with the staff being better. The Lowe's I went to (the
>busy, and the staff are fabulous, much better than the nearby HD.
one that closed down not too long ago) was located in Kennedy Commons.
I went shopping at Kennedy Commons because of the Metro and Petsmart.
I always allowed time to wander around the Lowe's to see what was new.
Leon
Jul 10, 2014, 9:17:40 PM7/10/14
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to go to the other, you might have to ask directions to get to the other.
>
>> I suspect that this, as I mentioned earlier, might be a zoning
>> situation. In the Houston area there is no zoning so anything can go up
>> anywhere unless we are talking a master planned community. In other
>> cities retail establishments have a restriction as to where they can be
>> located so there are less places to build and would naturally tend to be
>> located closer to one another.
>
> That's certainly true in some (usually smaller) cities. However,
> there are many such zoned commercial locations in a large city, yet
> the BORG and Lowes tend to pick the same sites. Lowes often follows
> HD, in fact.
>
where they like and in that scenario they obviously prefer to be out of
site of one another. If the city has restrictive zoning as to where
Lowe's and HD can actually build, their choices may be restricted to
only 10% of the city. Naturally they will be building close to each
other, they have no other choice if they want representation in that city.
Leon
Jul 10, 2014, 9:19:06 PM7/10/14
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On 7/10/2014 3:59 PM, FrozenNorth wrote:
> On 7/10/2014 2:13 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 7/10/2014 12:02 PM, k...@attt.bizz wrote:
>>
>>> Sure, that ratio is about right, even high. The point was that they
>>> have the same site selection criterion. In fact, I only know of one
>>> Lowes (Essex, VT) that doesn't have a HD within sight.
>>>
>>
>> We have a Lowe's 7 miles from us. In every direction, the HD is 20
>> miles from us so they have them surrounded.
>
> In Toronto Canada, Lowe's is a relative newcomer, but they seem to be
> locating as close as possible to the HD stores.
>
Zoning may require them to build in those designated areas.
> On 7/10/2014 2:13 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 7/10/2014 12:02 PM, k...@attt.bizz wrote:
>>
>>> Sure, that ratio is about right, even high. The point was that they
>>> have the same site selection criterion. In fact, I only know of one
>>> Lowes (Essex, VT) that doesn't have a HD within sight.
>>>
>>
>> We have a Lowe's 7 miles from us. In every direction, the HD is 20
>> miles from us so they have them surrounded.
>
> In Toronto Canada, Lowe's is a relative newcomer, but they seem to be
> locating as close as possible to the HD stores.
>
FrozenNorth
Jul 10, 2014, 9:27:15 PM7/10/14
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Mike Marlow
Jul 10, 2014, 10:01:15 PM7/10/14
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staff - after all - wouldn't that translate to better sales?
--
-Mike-
mmarlo...@windstream.net
Leon
Jul 10, 2014, 10:06:46 PM7/10/14
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cl...@snyder.on.ca
Jul 11, 2014, 12:20:39 AM7/11/14
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On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 20:17:40 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
I imagine if I was in houston and needed to go anywhere from anywhere
I'd need to ask directions.
Here in KitchenerWaterloo we have 1 Lowes, 4 Home Depots, 2 Home
Building Centers, and 2 Ronas. Then a few more of each in Cambridge
and Guelph and another Home Building Center in Elmira/ They are spaced
a few miles apart across town. Then we have a handfull of Home
Hardware Stores - about half a dozen in KW and one in pretty well
every town of any size around. Add to that a good half dozen or more
Canadian Tire stores and the building supply and hardware retail
market is pretty well filled up. And that doesn't count the bolt and
nut supply places of several stripes, the wholesale hardware
distributors, electrical distributers, plumbing distributors (at least
3 of each) and the electrical and plumbing DIY shops (at least one of
each)
I don't have to buy from Home Despot or Lowes or Rona, but if I choose
to, they are never more than about 20 minutes from wherever I might be
in town. And the supply houses are just about as close. Only need to
buy from the big box stores if I need something on a weekend or after
5PM.
I'd need to ask directions.
Here in KitchenerWaterloo we have 1 Lowes, 4 Home Depots, 2 Home
Building Centers, and 2 Ronas. Then a few more of each in Cambridge
and Guelph and another Home Building Center in Elmira/ They are spaced
a few miles apart across town. Then we have a handfull of Home
Hardware Stores - about half a dozen in KW and one in pretty well
every town of any size around. Add to that a good half dozen or more
Canadian Tire stores and the building supply and hardware retail
market is pretty well filled up. And that doesn't count the bolt and
nut supply places of several stripes, the wholesale hardware
distributors, electrical distributers, plumbing distributors (at least
3 of each) and the electrical and plumbing DIY shops (at least one of
each)
I don't have to buy from Home Despot or Lowes or Rona, but if I choose
to, they are never more than about 20 minutes from wherever I might be
in town. And the supply houses are just about as close. Only need to
buy from the big box stores if I need something on a weekend or after
5PM.
no...@none.com
Jul 11, 2014, 4:31:31 AM7/11/14
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On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 22:01:15 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
of the home building product companies and that's where they'd head
for first.
Whatever the reason, better customer service or not, if a store isn't
making enough profit, its life span is limited.
>Kinda hard to believe Lowe's would close down a store that really had better
>staff - after all - wouldn't that translate to better sales?
I'm guessing that the average person views Home Depot as the pinnacle
>staff - after all - wouldn't that translate to better sales?
of the home building product companies and that's where they'd head
for first.
Whatever the reason, better customer service or not, if a store isn't
making enough profit, its life span is limited.
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