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Larry Blanchard
Nov 27, 2015, 7:49:21 PM11/27/15
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I recently bought some Baltic birch and when I got it home discovered it
had "football" patches here and there. Not visible on a quick look under
store lighting, but obvious on close examination under good light.
I don't remember this problem with Baltic birch that I've bought in the
past. Was I just lucky before? Has the quality changed? Or did I get
something that claimed to be Baltic birch but was a cheaper approximation?
It does have the correct number of plies and fairly thick surface layers.
I told the clerk at Windsor Plywood that I needed good both sides, and he
said no problem. I can't take it back because I had them saw it into
pieces that fit in my car - and that my old muscles could handle :-).
had "football" patches here and there. Not visible on a quick look under
store lighting, but obvious on close examination under good light.
I don't remember this problem with Baltic birch that I've bought in the
past. Was I just lucky before? Has the quality changed? Or did I get
something that claimed to be Baltic birch but was a cheaper approximation?
It does have the correct number of plies and fairly thick surface layers.
I told the clerk at Windsor Plywood that I needed good both sides, and he
said no problem. I can't take it back because I had them saw it into
pieces that fit in my car - and that my old muscles could handle :-).
Unquestionably Confused
Nov 27, 2015, 8:29:32 PM11/27/15
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you cannot reconcile what you got with the term/standard TWO GOOD SIDES,
then I think Windsor Plywood has a problem, not you - irrespective of
the fact that those sheets have been cut down.
Bill
Nov 27, 2015, 11:35:36 PM11/27/15
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Unquestionably Confused wrote:
> On 11/27/2015 6:49 PM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
>> I recently bought some Baltic birch and when I got it home discovered it
>> had "football" patches here and there. Not visible on a quick look
>> under
>> store lighting, but obvious on close examination under good light.
>>
>> I don't remember this problem with Baltic birch that I've bought in the
>> past. Was I just lucky before? Has the quality changed? Or did I get
>> something that claimed to be Baltic birch but was a cheaper
>> approximation?
>>
>> It does have the correct number of plies and fairly thick surface
>> layers.
>>
>> I told the clerk at Windsor Plywood that I needed good both sides,
>> and he
>> said no problem. I can't take it back because I had them saw it into
>> pieces that fit in my car - and that my old muscles could handle :-).
>
> You asked them to cut to size Baltic Birch ply with TWO GOOD SIDES.
The problem may be that "good" is not inconsistent various of the
> On 11/27/2015 6:49 PM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
>> I recently bought some Baltic birch and when I got it home discovered it
>> had "football" patches here and there. Not visible on a quick look
>> under
>> store lighting, but obvious on close examination under good light.
>>
>> I don't remember this problem with Baltic birch that I've bought in the
>> past. Was I just lucky before? Has the quality changed? Or did I get
>> something that claimed to be Baltic birch but was a cheaper
>> approximation?
>>
>> It does have the correct number of plies and fairly thick surface
>> layers.
>>
>> I told the clerk at Windsor Plywood that I needed good both sides,
>> and he
>> said no problem. I can't take it back because I had them saw it into
>> pieces that fit in my car - and that my old muscles could handle :-).
>
> You asked them to cut to size Baltic Birch ply with TWO GOOD SIDES.
lettering strategies (AB, AC, etc.), that standardize the product . The
"football patches" do not necessarily mean "not good". My wife bought a
table, new from a store (for about $150), having a football patch on
top. I just accept that it is what it is. You'd never notice it unless
you went looking. If the quality purchased does not meet the standard
sold (to the OP), then he has a good argument for a return. One might
argue that the salesman didn't do his job properly, but surely the
burden is on the purchaser to understand what he is buying. The
adjective "good" is relative, I think (I am not an expert). Surely there
are few here that will back me up, or tell me I'm wrong--that "good" has
a specific meaning (it could be that "good" means A or B, I forget...).
Bill
woodchucker
Nov 28, 2015, 12:21:09 AM11/28/15
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I think the faces should be clean.
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Nov 28, 2015, 12:30:25 AM11/28/15
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On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 23:34:48 -0500, Bill <BILL_...@whoknows.net>
wrote:
"good" paint grade and "good" stain grade are two different things.
I've seen a lot of baltic birch with footballs. It will not have any
voids though - even defects in inner plies will have "footballs" to
correct them.
wrote:
I've seen a lot of baltic birch with footballs. It will not have any
voids though - even defects in inner plies will have "footballs" to
correct them.
Bill
Nov 28, 2015, 2:42:22 AM11/28/15
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plywood
Those "grades", as well as his or her eyes maybe : ), are what the
purchaser should be using in buying plywood. The grading helps
commoditize a product that is inherently Not uniform from one piece to
another. They/we cannot afford to just discard every piece that is not
"perfect".
Some of you may forgive my posting this even though I lack as much
experience as some others.
I know what plywood grades mean because it is related to my pocketbook!
(lol)
Bill
J. Clarke
Nov 28, 2015, 6:57:26 AM11/28/15
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In article <XKqdnUf-24VfpMTL...@ptd.net>, nos...@nospam.com
says...
What I believe to be the latest standard for Baltic Birch grading can be
found at <http://www.abh-
system.hu/f/letoltesek/retetgelt_lemez_szabvany_orosz_gost_3916_1-
96.pdf>
Note Appendix A, which shows the relationship with prior grading
standards.
The highest grade of Baltic Birch I can find anywhere is variously B/BB
or AB/B (same grade, different edition of the standard) which allows
boat patches on the back.
I presume that E/I can be found somewhere, but I have no idea where.
says...
found at <http://www.abh-
system.hu/f/letoltesek/retetgelt_lemez_szabvany_orosz_gost_3916_1-
96.pdf>
Note Appendix A, which shows the relationship with prior grading
standards.
The highest grade of Baltic Birch I can find anywhere is variously B/BB
or AB/B (same grade, different edition of the standard) which allows
boat patches on the back.
I presume that E/I can be found somewhere, but I have no idea where.
J. Clarke
Nov 28, 2015, 7:02:25 AM11/28/15
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In article <n3blq...@news3.newsguy.com>, BILL_...@whoknows.net
says...
Very incomplete.
> Those "grades", as well as his or her eyes maybe : ), are what the
> purchaser should be using in buying plywood.
If it's critical, inspect each sheet before purchase. There are so many
grading systems out there that just relying on the grading when you
don't know for sure what system was used is an invitation to disaster.
says...
> Those "grades", as well as his or her eyes maybe : ), are what the
> purchaser should be using in buying plywood.
grading systems out there that just relying on the grading when you
don't know for sure what system was used is an invitation to disaster.
Swingman
Nov 29, 2015, 11:11:26 AM11/29/15
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On 11/27/2015 6:49 PM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
for it's generally consistent plies with lack of voids, not for it's
face appearance, so patches are not considered a defect as long as I did
not spec B/BB.
If you specified B/BB, you would certainly have a case to get it
replaced. Nothing to lose by asking.
That said, plywood today is not the plywood of your youth ...
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Electric Comet
Nov 29, 2015, 6:42:35 PM11/29/15
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On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 00:49:16 +0000 (UTC)
Larry Blanchard <lbl...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> I recently bought some Baltic birch and when I got it home discovered
> it had "football" patches here and there. Not visible on a quick
> look under store lighting, but obvious on close examination under
> good light.
you could take it back or make something with a football theme
Larry Blanchard <lbl...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> I recently bought some Baltic birch and when I got it home discovered
> it had "football" patches here and there. Not visible on a quick
> look under store lighting, but obvious on close examination under
> good light.
Jack
Nov 30, 2015, 9:12:29 AM11/30/15
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On 11/27/2015 7:49 PM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
> I told the clerk at Windsor Plywood that I needed good both sides, and he
> said no problem. I can't take it back because I had them saw it into
> pieces that fit in my car - and that my old muscles could handle :-).
"Good" has about zero meaning in the world of lumber. Good to me means
> I told the clerk at Windsor Plywood that I needed good both sides, and he
> said no problem. I can't take it back because I had them saw it into
> pieces that fit in my car - and that my old muscles could handle :-).
it is good enough for what I plan on using it for. Good to a lumber
yard means people will buy it and they will make a profit. Wood grades
have specific meanings, and "good" is not a grade. Even within specific
grades, there is enough overlap/misgrading/lying that you can get
screwed if you don't look before you buy.
Having said all that, the clerk should have explained what grades they
carry and briefly what they meant, related to what you actually
needed/wanted.
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Jack
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EXT
Nov 30, 2015, 10:42:52 AM11/30/15
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"Jack" <jbst...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:n3hlbl$pmq$1...@dont-email.me...
was asked to examine the sheets before they were loaded on my vehicle to
ensure that they were not damaged nor have any defects. Whether it is
bananas or plywood or lumber, one should check to see if it meets your needs
(and price) before you purchase it.
Larry Blanchard
Nov 30, 2015, 11:44:32 AM11/30/15
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On Mon, 30 Nov 2015 10:41:02 -0500, EXT wrote:
> Whether it is
> bananas or plywood or lumber, one should check to see if it meets your
> needs (and price) before you purchase it.
Agreed. But the patches weren't easily spotted in the light available.
> Whether it is
> bananas or plywood or lumber, one should check to see if it meets your
> needs (and price) before you purchase it.
And I'd never had any problem before and I'd always bought from this
supplier.
I can hide most of the patches but I will be discussing the problem with
the vendor next time I'm in the store.
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