On 1/18/2017 6:54 PM,
russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 18, 2017 at 2:49:41 PM UTC-6, Electric Comet
> wrote:
>> the routers get occasional use but lately i discovered i avoid them
>> just because they are so noisy
>>
>> i never thought about it until now and i cannot understand why they
>> have to spin so fast
>>
>> 5000 rpm should be plenty
>>
>>
>> what am i missing
>
> Its really about the strength of the bit while cutting.
Actually, smoothness of cut is what it is about. The faster the speed
the more cuts with a given speed.
Bits are
> commonly 1/4", 1/2", 3/4", 1" diameter and bigger. Smaller is weaker
> of course. Everyone moves the router bit through the wood at roughly
> the same pace. More or less. The smaller bit, because it is weaker,
> has to take a smaller bite. Lets pretend this bite is one third as
> large as the big bit. (Pi at 3.14 comes in here to get the bite of
> one third.) So it has to spin faster than a large bit so when you
> push it through the wood at the predetermined speed everyone uses,
> the wood all gets cut. If the small bit spun at the slow speed of
> the big bit, then you the operator would have to push the router
> through the wood at one third the pace. Doubt people are going to do
> this, so you solve it by speeding up the router speed.
Many routers have fixes single speeds.
>
> Lets use your example of slow speed, or fixed speed, from the table
> saw. Table saws all spin the same speed no matter how thick wood is
> you are cutting.
Actually many TS do not run at the same speed. The larger the blade the
slower they typically run. Again, tip speed. A number of miter saws
spin their blades even faster that a TS and typically have more teeth
than you commonly see on a TS.
If you are saying the TS's are not variable speed, that is close to
true, Shopsmith's have variable speed, but should be run at a suggested
speed.
Cut 1/2" wood or 3" wood. Blade spins the same
> speed.
Except when it does not. Under ideal conditions the blade maintains its
speed but time and again under powered saws spin slower when cutting
thicker material. Hence think kerf blades.
I'll bet you push the 1/2" wood through the blade much faster
> than you push the 3" wood through the blade.
You learn to not do that to get smoother cuts.. Smaller bites normally
mean smoother cuts.
You manually vary the
> feed rate of the wood through the fixed speed blade. You could do
> the same with routers by being 1/3 as fast with the small bit
> compared to the large bit. With table saws you vary the feed speed
> so the amount of wood, thickness of wood divided by amount of teeth,
> is the same over a given time period. You cut the 1/2" thick wood 6
> times faster than you cut the 3" wood.
Really? 6 times faster? I go the same speed regardless, I strive for
smooth cuts. Fast feed rates result in a cut that is less smooth than
slower feed rates.
>
> I'm guessing some engineer, scientist figured out the optimal cut
> speed, feed rate, bit size, teeth number, etc. some time ago for
> router bits, saw blades, etc.
>
Yes and I doubt any would agree with your thoughts. While your comments
make sense to some degree. The results yield less than the best outcome.