bandsaw blades and more

[Electric Comet]

recently broke a blade so bought one of these blades

http://www.carterproducts.com/band-saw-products/band-saw-blades

they have guide upgrade kits that look good but

[Brewster]

Carter has everything for pimping your bandsaw, but they have perfected
the pricing to always be on the edge of way too high, but low enough to
make you look...


-BR

[woodchucker]

+1, their tension release is way too high for what it is.

--
Jeff

[Electric Comet]

On Sat, 10 Dec 2016 09:10:21 -0700
Brewster <b...@spambegon.net> wrote:

> perfected the pricing to always be on the edge of way too high, but
> low enough to make you look...

they are high relative to the price of the saw but they look to be
of good quality


maybe they are made in usa

if i look at the guide upgrade kit it looks well made and knowing what
it takes to run a business and the taxes and workers comp and all the
other regulations and lawsuits and insurance

the price is probably as low as they can go


but maybe it is all made in asia and they are just gouging but my
impression was that they are made with tlc

i could easily be wrong

[Leon]

And if you have never used roller bearing guides you might not be happy.
My old Rikon had roller bearing guides and they were noisy and created
a lot of vibration when oily/damp wood stuck to the bearings and was
pounded into the blade.

I returned the BS for that and tracking reasons and got a Laguna with
the ceramic guides. Ceramic guides will scrape your blades clean.

[dadiOH]

"woodchucker" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:HNidnX87LZ4dt9HF...@ptd.net...

I think so too. I had need of one, looked at theirs - briefly - then made
my own a couple of months ago.

[Brewster]

Good point!

I started with "Euro" guides. Hated them. I now have roller bearings,
mainly since no one made block/scraper style guides.

Roller thrust bearings are fantastic, the side bearings? Meh.

Fortunately I don't have issues with the crap getting pounded into the
blade/bearing race since the wood I cut isn't that ornery, but any kind
of scraper style guides would be superior in my mind. You get slightly
more resaw height, automatic cleaning of goobers on the blade, usually
easier adjustment, cheaper, etc.

-BR

[Leon]

don't you have an MM16? This would probably fit.

http://www.lagunatools.com/accessories/bandsaw-guides/Laguna-Guide-Set-to-Retro-Fit-Euro-Guides

[dadiOH]

"Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
news:w-idnYT4NYKs4tDF...@giganews.com...

>> Fortunately I don't have issues with the crap getting pounded into the
>> blade/bearing race since the wood I cut isn't that ornery, but any kind
>> of scraper style guides would be superior in my mind. You get slightly
>> more resaw height, automatic cleaning of goobers on the blade, usually
>> easier adjustment, cheaper, etc.
>>
>> -BR
>>
>
> don't you have an MM16? This would probably fit.
>
> http://www.lagunatools.com/accessories/bandsaw-guides/Laguna-Guide-Set-to-Retro-Fit-Euro-Guides

Oh drat! Doesn't look like they'll fit on Taiwanese imports. Just as well,
I guess, they would nearly double the price of my saw :)

[J. Clarke]

In article <JJ6dnTUiKuWxytHFnZ2dnUU7-
eOd...@giganews.com>, lcb11211@swbelldotnet
says...

I haven't had a problem with the roller guides
on my Craftsman but I did have to replace the
rollers at one point. 20 bucks at the local
roller skate shop for a box of bearings and I
was good to go.

[Leon]

Many people are happy with roller guides as Carter is probably still
doing well. But there are occasions when working with certain woods that
the debris is going to be an issue with the guides.

My issue was with oily exotics and kiln dried SYP.

[Brewster]

On 12/11/16 9:30 AM, Leon wrote:

>
> don't you have an MM16? This would probably fit.
>
> http://www.lagunatools.com/accessories/bandsaw-guides/Laguna-Guide-Set-to-Retro-Fit-Euro-Guides
>

Ohhh, I hadn't seen those!

A bit spendy, but otherwise way cool. Do you know how wide they are (the
widest blade I could use with full support to just behind the teeth)?


Also it appears that the thrust surface is also a ceramic block (can't
really tell from the photo), ho do they adjust the thrust surface for a
narrow (say 3/8") blade?

This is all assuming you have a similar device on your Laguna 8^)

-BR

[Leon]

On 12/17/2016 9:06 AM, Brewster wrote:
> On 12/11/16 9:30 AM, Leon wrote:
>
>>
>> don't you have an MM16? This would probably fit.
>>
>> http://www.lagunatools.com/accessories/bandsaw-guides/Laguna-Guide-Set-to-Retro-Fit-Euro-Guides
>>
>>
> Ohhh, I hadn't seen those!
>
> A bit spendy, but otherwise way cool. Do you know how wide they are (the
> widest blade I could use with full support to just behind the teeth)?

IIRC I have used a 1.25" wide blade.

>
> Also it appears that the thrust surface is also a ceramic block (can't
> really tell from the photo), ho do they adjust the thrust surface for a
> narrow (say 3/8") blade?

It is a dowel with a ceramic disk on the front. It adjusts in and out
and can be rotated to create a new wear surface.

[Leon]

A little more on that, I normally keep a 1/2" blade on the BS for
general sawing, anything from wood to dog chew bones. ;~)

In my last bed project I has a smaller blade on the BS to cut the drawer
pull ovals. I used either a 1/4" or 3/8" blade. The 1/2" turned out to
be to large for the radius I was cutting.

[Brewster]

It looks to be made of aluminum. I have always worried about the set
screw arrangement that secures the guide to the round post as a
potential for stripping, but the Carter guide I have is aluminum and has
shown no signs of weakness.

This is going in my letter to Santa, thanks Leon!

-BR

[Leon]

On 12/18/2016 9:34 AM, Brewster wrote:
> On 12/17/16 11:35 AM, Leon wrote:
>> On 12/17/2016 12:19 PM, Leon wrote:
>>> On 12/17/2016 9:06 AM, Brewster wrote:
>>>> On 12/11/16 9:30 AM, Leon wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Also it appears that the thrust surface is also a ceramic block (can't
>>>> really tell from the photo), ho do they adjust the thrust surface for a
>>>> narrow (say 3/8") blade?
>>>
>>> It is a dowel with a ceramic disk on the front. It adjusts in and out
>>> and can be rotated to create a new wear surface.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is all assuming you have a similar device on your Laguna 8^)
>>>>
>>>> -BR
>>>
>>
>> A little more on that, I normally keep a 1/2" blade on the BS for
>> general sawing, anything from wood to dog chew bones. ;~)
>>
>> In my last bed project I has a smaller blade on the BS to cut the drawer
>> pull ovals. I used either a 1/4" or 3/8" blade. The 1/2" turned out to
>> be to large for the radius I was cutting.
>
> It looks to be made of aluminum.

Yes, the blue part.

I have always worried about the set
> screw arrangement that secures the guide to the round post as a
> potential for stripping, but the Carter guide I have is aluminum and has
> shown no signs of weakness.

Check out the link, a picture of my saw and guide.
The black block that is bolted directly to the round post is steel/iron.
The Laguna guides, the blue parts, bolt with 6mm set screws to the
bottom of the black block.

You cam also see the steel round dowel at the back of the guide housing.
That is the thrust holder, it has a circular ceramic on the opposite end.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/31349858040/in/dateposted-public/

[Brewster]

On 12/18/16 9:18 AM, Leon wrote:

> Check out the link, a picture of my saw and guide.
> The black block that is bolted directly to the round post is steel/iron.
> The Laguna guides, the blue parts, bolt with 6mm set screws to the
> bottom of the black block.

My arrangement is a bit different. I have the same black block, but the
guide slides on a large post (The ad page you originally linked to shows
a guide that looks correct for my MM).

>
> You cam also see the steel round dowel at the back of the guide housing.
> That is the thrust holder, it has a circular ceramic on the opposite end.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/31349858040/in/dateposted-public/

Yes, this looks very serviceable. I read that Laguna has also started
selling replacement ceramic inserts.
-BR