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Steffi really 47 years old?

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calim...@gmx.de

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They say she turned 47 last July.
Looking at this foto which was taken just a few weeks ago in Rio de Janeiro one has to assume that is a lie, no?

Max

Whisper

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Sep 1, 2016, 5:24:26 AM9/1/16
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Looks somewhere between 45 & 56-ish?


stephenJ

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Still absolutely zero sex appeal. Since the time we first met her 30
years ago, Graf has given off no sex appeal vibe whatsoever, even though
a few aspects of her (her overall fitness, her legs) have always been
objectively attractive. There is just something missing and always has been.

And of course the nose has always ruined her face.
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Court_1

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On Thursday, September 1, 2016 at 6:19:43 AM UTC-4, StephenJ wrote:

> And of course the nose has always ruined her face.

And she had the nose refined a little. It's definitely a subtle refinement compared to how it was years and years ago.

TT

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Sep 1, 2016, 11:39:22 AM9/1/16
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Yes, it's photoshopped.

calim...@gmx.de

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Sep 1, 2016, 11:47:56 AM9/1/16
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Photoshopped? Or somewhere between 45 and 56? Zero sex appeal?
Steffi detractors should coordinate better ...

Fun aside, she looks somewhere between 29 and 36, her sex appeal even tops her natural beauty, she never had her nose refined, her nose gives her even more character, and what the hell is photoshop?

Max

Gracchus

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Sep 1, 2016, 11:55:05 AM9/1/16
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It would have been a jarring transition if one day her nose was a tiny little nub. But she would have done so if she felt the need. Obviously tailoring her face to suit the public isn't the priority some think it should be.

It reminds me of the story about Marlon Brando's nose. When doing "A Streetcar Named Desire" on stage, he used to box outside between scenes sometimes. One night he got his nose broken and had to do the rest of the show soaking up the blood with a towel. But when he looked at the nose later, he liked the crooked version more than the original, so just left it that way. So in a way, Steffi is just like Brando except that she never got punched in the nose and he didn't play tennis.

TT

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Sep 1, 2016, 11:57:03 AM9/1/16
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I watched yesterday latest Captain America (not very good) and Marisa
Tomei looks thousand times better at 51...

http://photos.laineygossip.com/lifestyle/marisa-tomei-critics-18jan16-06.jpg

http://celebmafia.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/marisa-tomei-2016-critics-choice-awards-in-santa-monica-4.jpg

The odd thing was that she was playing Peter Parker's aunt May...
Aunt Milf, rather.

Gracchus

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On Thursday, September 1, 2016 at 8:57:03 AM UTC-7, TT wrote:

> I watched yesterday latest Captain America (not very good) and Marisa
> Tomei looks thousand times better at 51...

She does look good. I even forgive her for having dark hair and eyes.

I watched the first two Captain America movies. Bad reviews put me off of the third.

> The odd thing was that she was playing Peter Parker's aunt May...
> Aunt Milf, rather.

That's some very stupid casting. I don't know why they can't cast Aunt May as the old crone she's supposed to be. And I'm sick of the Spiderman reboots! What is it with these creatively constipated Hollywood people rebooting the same franchise 3 times in 15 years anyway? Worst of all, they keep getting it wrong.

TT

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1.9.2016, 19:09, Gracchus kirjoitti:
> On Thursday, September 1, 2016 at 8:57:03 AM UTC-7, TT wrote:
>
>> I watched yesterday latest Captain America (not very good) and Marisa
>> Tomei looks thousand times better at 51...
>
> She does look good. I even forgive her for having dark hair and eyes.
>
> I watched the first two Captain America movies. Bad reviews put me off of the third.
>

I think it has in general surprisingly good reviews... 7,6 at RT. Heck,
I give it 4-5. Very little to do with Captain A, it's more about
Avengers - with lots (too much) fighting and characters. Had to even put
young Spidey there for good measure.

The lame thing though is that Avengers fight mostly against each other
and not for kill so it lacks suspense. The story and acting is pretty
pedestrian as well, apart from Downey jr who does his thing solid.

>> The odd thing was that she was playing Peter Parker's aunt May...
>> Aunt Milf, rather.
>
> That's some very stupid casting. I don't know why they can't cast Aunt May as the old crone she's supposed to be. And I'm sick of the Spiderman reboots! What is it with these creatively constipated Hollywood people rebooting the same franchise 3 times in 15 years anyway? Worst of all, they keep getting it wrong.
>

Peter Parker was very young boy in this one. But still...

"In Sam Raimi's original Spider-Man movie, Aunt May was played by
Rosemary Harris, who was 75 at the time of the release — 48 years older
than leading man Tobey Maguire. When Andrew Garfield took over as the
wall-crawling superhero in 2012, he was 28 years old, while the second
Aunt May, Sally Field, was 66 — an age difference of 38 years.

Now, with Tomei and Holland, that difference is down to 32 years"

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/spider-man-marisa-tomei-set-807435

soccerfan777

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Sep 1, 2016, 12:37:33 PM9/1/16
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She looks good. Don't listen to the assholes over here.

TT

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1.9.2016, 19:09, Gracchus kirjoitti:
> She does look good. I even forgive her for having dark hair and eyes.

That's a good example of an attractive woman NOT spoiling her looks with
excessive surgeries... and still looking great, with wrinkles and all.

soccerfan777

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Sep 1, 2016, 12:41:24 PM9/1/16
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She look old and she still looks good. You can look old and still be good looking.

TT

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Gracchus

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She doesn't look "old." She just isn't trying to look like she's still in her 20s. And part of it is self-image. Visiting Europe years ago in my 20s, I noticed that many women were still attractive at an age where American women are culturally "trained" to think of themselves as old and so project less sexuality.

calim...@gmx.de

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Sep 1, 2016, 5:18:25 PM9/1/16
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Well, their answers - that's part of the fun. Of course I know that she looks good. And they know it, too. Especially Jaros. It tears him apart that his countries' female tennis stars are those Navratilova, Seles, Williams, Davenport types while the Grafs, Kournikovas and Sharapovas are from Europe ...

Max

*skriptis

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Sep 1, 2016, 5:30:03 PM9/1/16
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Gracchus <grac...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
Is there anything good about America?
Reading your posts for years it seems there is nothing?
Death penalty, social insecurity, no,
health care, guns needed for protection, street crime, sexually
unattractive women??
So what's the good part?

I'll be honest about it, I don't know much about life there, my
criticism or praise of other countries is always about their
global influence and consequences of their actions for the rest
of the world.
Basically I am pretty much not interested in how different
countries organise their societies.

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jdeluise

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Sep 1, 2016, 5:32:32 PM9/1/16
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*skriptis <skri...@post.t-com.hr> writes:


>
> I'll be honest about it, I don't know much about life there, my
> criticism or praise of other countries is always about their global
> influence and consequences of their actions for the rest of the
> world.
> Basically I am pretty much not interested in how different
> countries organise their societies.

For an uninterested person, you certainly write at length about the
subject.

Court_1

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Sep 1, 2016, 5:43:38 PM9/1/16
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On Thursday, September 1, 2016 at 11:55:05 AM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
> On Thursday, September 1, 2016 at 8:22:44 AM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
> > On Thursday, September 1, 2016 at 6:19:43 AM UTC-4, StephenJ wrote:
>
> > > And of course the nose has always ruined her face.
>
> > And she had the nose refined a little. It's definitely a subtle refinement compared to how it was years and years ago.
>
> It would have been a jarring transition if one day her nose was a tiny little nub. But she would have done so if she felt the need. Obviously tailoring her face to suit the public isn't the priority some think it should be.

True. That's why I said it's a very subtle job and it suits her face. Many people who aren't hawks like myself may not realize she ever had a rhinoplasty at all.

calim...@gmx.de

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Sep 1, 2016, 5:53:56 PM9/1/16
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Lol ...

Max

Court_1

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Sep 1, 2016, 5:59:33 PM9/1/16
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Does that mean you don't think she had a rhinoplasty because if you think that, you are 100% incorrect. You will lose this argument so don't even try.

*skriptis

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Sep 1, 2016, 6:30:03 PM9/1/16
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calim...@gmx.de Wrote in message:
Weren't Russians recently "savage Asians" in your post?
Now Russians chicks are Europepan.
Quite a turnaround.

*skriptis

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Sep 1, 2016, 6:30:03 PM9/1/16
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jdeluise <jdel...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
Huh? When was that?

TT

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Sep 1, 2016, 6:43:11 PM9/1/16
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Sharapova is Asian-American...

Although her parents are Belarusian.

TT

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2.9.2016, 0:13, *skriptis kirjoitti:
> Is there anything good about America?

The Breakfast Club and Atari.

TT

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2.9.2016, 0:18, calim...@gmx.de kirjoitti:
> It tears him apart that his countries' female tennis stars are those Navratilova, Seles, Williams, Davenport types

Navratilova and Seles are European.

Gracchus

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Sep 1, 2016, 7:37:29 PM9/1/16
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On Thursday, September 1, 2016 at 2:30:03 PM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:
> Gracchus Wrote in message:

> > She doesn't look "old." She just isn't trying to look like she's still in her 20s. And part of it is self-image. Visiting Europe years ago in my 20s, I noticed that many women were still attractive at an age where American women are culturally "trained" to think of themselves as old and so project less sexuality.

> Is there anything good about America?
> Reading your posts for years it seems there is nothing?
> Death penalty, social insecurity, no,
> health care, guns needed for protection, street crime, sexually
> unattractive women??
> So what's the good part?

> I'll be honest about it, I don't know much about life there, my
> criticism or praise of other countries is always about their
> global influence and consequences of their actions for the rest
> of the world.

What is it that you're actually asking and what does it have to do with my post(s)? I'm always happy to answer when I know what the hell you're talking about.

*skriptis

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Gracchus <grac...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
Your posts, about home affairs are mostly negative. Is there
anything good there?
You're doing such a bad PR so much that jnstead of building a wall
Trump could hire you to tell stories to Mexicans about USA.

Court_1

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Sep 1, 2016, 8:20:32 PM9/1/16
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And Boston Market restaurant chain. We don't have that chain in Canada. That turkey or chicken dinner with the creamed spinach and corn bread! Guilty pleasure!

It's funny in that you always desire what you don't have because many Americans tell me that they love and constantly crave our Canadian rotisserie chicken fast food chain called Swiss Chalet but I much prefer Boston Market.

Guypers

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Sep 1, 2016, 8:27:05 PM9/1/16
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Nothing good in USA, you can always go to Mocsow and wait in line six hours to buy a loaf of bread!

Gracchus

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On Thursday, September 1, 2016 at 5:01:02 PM UTC-7, *skriptis wrote:

> Your posts, about home affairs are mostly negative. Is there
> anything good there?
> You're doing such a bad PR so much that jnstead of building a wall
> Trump could hire you to tell stories to Mexicans about USA.

I'm not doing PR at all. Why should I feel the need to? Americans can't even relate to that mindset because we don't have the national inferiority complex so many little countries do. Your question is akin to asking a newspaper reporter why they write so many stories about bad things instead of rainbows and puppy dogs. The USA is a mix of things that are good and other things that could be better. It's usually the latter that stirs discussion.

But if you want an example of the other kind, bob and I recently discussed how New York pizza is the best we've tasted anywhere. There you have it--a positive. Go, NYC pizza! Rah, rah, USA!

Court_1

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Sep 1, 2016, 9:31:57 PM9/1/16
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+10 on New York pizza! Yummy!

RaspingDrive

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Sep 1, 2016, 9:54:19 PM9/1/16
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On Thursday, September 1, 2016 at 8:20:32 PM UTC-4, Court_1 wrote:
> On Thursday, September 1, 2016 at 7:00:41 PM UTC-4, TT wrote:
> > 2.9.2016, 0:13, *skriptis kirjoitti:
> > > Is there anything good about America?
> >
> > The Breakfast Club and Atari.
>
> And Boston Market restaurant chain. We don't have that chain in Canada. That turkey or chicken dinner with the creamed spinach and corn bread! Guilty pleasure!

Steffi probably doesn't fortify herself with the above comestibles :) Which explains her robust fitness at 47?

>
> It's funny in that you always desire what you don't have because many Americans tell me that they love and constantly crave our Canadian rotisserie chicken fast food chain called Swiss Chalet but I much prefer Boston Market.

The other side appears greener :)

jdeluise

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Court_1 <olymp...@yahoo.com> writes:

>>
>> But if you want an example of the other kind, bob and I recently
>> discussed how New York pizza is the best we've tasted anywhere. There
>> you have it--a positive. Go, NYC pizza! Rah, rah, USA!
>
> +10 on New York pizza! Yummy!

There's a place near here that makes the best I've tasted anywhere
including NY.

Whisper

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On 2/09/2016 1:57 AM, TT wrote:
> 1.9.2016, 18:47, calim...@gmx.de kirjoitti:
>> On Thursday, September 1, 2016 at 5:39:22 PM UTC+2, TT wrote:
>>> 31.8.2016, 21:24, calim...@gmx.de kirjoitti:
>>>> http://fitnessontoast.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Fitness-On-Toast-Faya-Blog-Girl-Healthy-Health-Adidas-Rio-De-Janeiro-Brazil-Olympics-Barra-Creators-House-Steffi-Graf-Blogger-Tennis-Interview-13.jpg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> They say she turned 47 last July.
>>>> Looking at this foto which was taken just a few weeks ago in Rio de
>>>> Janeiro one has to assume that is a lie, no?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, it's photoshopped.
>>
>> Photoshopped? Or somewhere between 45 and 56? Zero sex appeal?
>> Steffi detractors should coordinate better ...
>>
>> Fun aside, she looks somewhere between 29 and 36, her sex appeal even
>> tops her natural beauty, she never had her nose refined, her nose
>> gives her even more character, and what the hell is photoshop?
>>
>> Max
>>
>
> I watched yesterday latest Captain America (not very good)


I'm watching it tomorrow. IMDB rates it high.



>and Marisa
> Tomei looks thousand times better at 51...
>
> http://photos.laineygossip.com/lifestyle/marisa-tomei-critics-18jan16-06.jpg
>
>
> http://celebmafia.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/marisa-tomei-2016-critics-choice-awards-in-santa-monica-4.jpg
>
>
> The odd thing was that she was playing Peter Parker's aunt May...
> Aunt Milf, rather.


Yes, she's my type of milf. Definitely looks better than Graf.


Whisper

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Sep 2, 2016, 7:07:00 AM9/2/16
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On 2/09/2016 2:09 AM, Gracchus wrote:
> On Thursday, September 1, 2016 at 8:57:03 AM UTC-7, TT wrote:
>
>> I watched yesterday latest Captain America (not very good) and Marisa
>> Tomei looks thousand times better at 51...
>
> She does look good. I even forgive her for having dark hair and eyes.
>
> I watched the first two Captain America movies. Bad reviews put me off of the third.
>
>> The odd thing was that she was playing Peter Parker's aunt May...
>> Aunt Milf, rather.
>
> That's some very stupid casting. I don't know why they can't cast Aunt May as the old crone she's supposed to be. And I'm sick of the Spiderman reboots! What is it with these creatively constipated Hollywood people rebooting the same franchise 3 times in 15 years anyway? Worst of all, they keep getting it wrong.
>


They make money. That's the only reason.


Whisper

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On 2/09/2016 2:38 AM, TT wrote:
No kids & good genes helps?


Whisper

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Sep 2, 2016, 7:09:54 AM9/2/16
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Just goes to show 50+ can still look hot, though it's very rare.


Whisper

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Good point. Tough for 50+ to compete with 20-somethings, but Marisa
gives it a good shake.


jdeluise

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Whisper <beav...@ozemail.com.au> writes:

>
> I'm watching it tomorrow. IMDB rates it high.

Well I wouldn't highly recommend it but it had its moments, particularly
the sections with Ant Man and Spider Man (though I'm not relishing yet
another reboot of Spider Man, this guy seems pretty good.... way better
than Tobey Maguire who I hated in that role). It was overly long and
boring in places and frankly despite being titled as a Captain America
film it really didn't focus on him particularly. Could have just as
easily been an Iron Man movie (didn't see 'em, can't stand Robert Downey
Jr.)

Not the worst thing you could do with a couple hours, but not great.

Whisper

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Sep 2, 2016, 7:23:00 AM9/2/16
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On 2/09/2016 9:00 AM, TT wrote:
> 2.9.2016, 0:13, *skriptis kirjoitti:
>> Is there anything good about America?
>



Porn?

Whisper

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Mexicans may insist on a wall.

jdeluise

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Whisper <beav...@ozemail.com.au> writes:

>
> Mexicans may insist on a wall.

They might, if only to keep Trump out.

Whisper

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Sep 2, 2016, 7:44:15 AM9/2/16
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I like the way modern superhero movies look. Thanks to modern technology
they've really brought the genre to life. Sure a great story line would
be a huge plus, but end of the day it's like reading a comic & a visual
feast.


jdeluise

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Whisper <beav...@ozemail.com.au> writes:


>
> I like the way modern superhero movies look. Thanks to modern
> technology they've really brought the genre to life. Sure a great
> story line would be a huge plus, but end of the day it's like reading
> a comic & a visual feast.

Well, there's plenty of eye candy.

stephenJ

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> On 9/1/2016 4:18 PM, calim...@gmx.de wrote:
> while the Grafs, Kournikovas and Sharapovas are from Europe ...


That's like saying "rebel wilson, bar rafaeli, and giselle bundchen".




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TT

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Sep 2, 2016, 11:06:39 AM9/2/16
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2.9.2016, 14:20, jdeluise kirjoitti:
>> I'm watching it tomorrow. IMDB rates it high.

IMDB rating is dropping as we speak. High rating is normal for new
movies, especially superhero movies. Fanbois go to cinema and rate it
10. Later on normal audience gets to see it.

After watching it and noticing that also rottentomatoes rates it
relatively high, my conclusion is that I'll wipe my ass with opinions of
modern "critics".

> Well I wouldn't highly recommend it but it had its moments, particularly
> the sections with Ant Man and Spider Man (though I'm not relishing yet
> another reboot of Spider Man, this guy seems pretty good.... way better
> than Tobey Maguire who I hated in that role).

Yeah, apparently they're making ANOTHER Spiderman reboot. Clearly they
have no new ideas and all this superhero movie boom is just milking the
money.

> It was overly long and
> boring in places and frankly despite being titled as a Captain America
> film it really didn't focus on him particularly. Could have just as
> easily been an Iron Man movie (didn't see 'em, can't stand Robert Downey
> Jr.)
>

I think it should have been called Avengers movie, cause that's what it
was. Not that I have problem with that... imo the actor of Captain
America is good at going to gym but not at acting. Wooden and lacks
personality, charisma.

The way I see it, this film was simply cashing with the franchise. They
had no story to tell, just make Avengers fight against each other and
collect the money.

> Not the worst thing you could do with a couple hours, but not great.

Brainless popcorn. Sort of fun, but I agree too long and lacked suspense.

Tier3

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Sep 2, 2016, 12:05:23 PM9/2/16
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>They say she turned 47 last July.
Looking at this foto which was taken just a few weeks ago in Rio de Janeiro one has to assume that is a lie, no? <

Great outfit.

Tier3

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And she had the nose refined a little. It's definitely a subtle refinement compared to how it was years and years ago. <

I don't see any evidence of it, but I could defer on this subject. If anything done, very little so what would be the point?

Tier3

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Sep 2, 2016, 12:08:35 PM9/2/16
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>very good) and Marisa
Tomei looks thousand times better at 51... <

She is good looking.

Court_1

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Sep 2, 2016, 12:12:07 PM9/2/16
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On Friday, September 2, 2016 at 7:01:33 AM UTC-4, jdeluise wrote:
Really, what's the name of the place?

Court_1

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On Friday, September 2, 2016 at 12:06:57 PM UTC-4, Tier3 wrote:
> And she had the nose refined a little. It's definitely a subtle refinement compared to how it was years and years ago. <
>
> I don't see any evidence of it, but I could defer on this subject. If anything done, very little so what would be the point?

Well, you need to defer on this subject. She's had a rhinoplasty.

Tier3

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Sep 2, 2016, 12:18:31 PM9/2/16
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>
There's a place near here that makes the best I've tasted anywhere
including NY. <

They always say it's the water that makes the NY pizza great. I grew up in the area and the water is very hard there.

Tier3

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Sep 2, 2016, 12:19:42 PM9/2/16
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>They might, if only to keep Trump out<

Not nice talking about our next president like that.

Whisper

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Sep 2, 2016, 12:38:45 PM9/2/16
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On 3/09/2016 1:06 AM, TT wrote:
> 2.9.2016, 14:20, jdeluise kirjoitti:
>>> I'm watching it tomorrow. IMDB rates it high.
>
> IMDB rating is dropping as we speak. High rating is normal for new
> movies, especially superhero movies. Fanbois go to cinema and rate it
> 10. Later on normal audience gets to see it.
>
> After watching it and noticing that also rottentomatoes rates it
> relatively high, my conclusion is that I'll wipe my ass with opinions of
> modern "critics".
>



That's ok for you as you have free will, but for the rest of us it tells
us not to ask you for opinions on movies as you are out of step with
normal people.



TT

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Sep 2, 2016, 1:33:13 PM9/2/16
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Well have you seen it?

Gracchus

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Sep 2, 2016, 1:33:33 PM9/2/16
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A New Yorker told me that once and I thought it was a joke because New Yorkers are always saying New York has the most extreme of anything (e.g. "Yeah, it gets cold here, but not like in New York"). But I've since heard there's some merit in this claim about the water. Of course a lot of it still has to do with things you'd expect--crust thickness, choice of cheese, sauce blend, etc.

Having had pizza in and out of New York (mostly out), there are maybe 3 places I've been that can compare.

Chicago deep-dish style pizza does nothing for me. That much dough makes it more bread than pizza IMO.

Gracchus

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Sep 2, 2016, 1:43:27 PM9/2/16
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"Normal people" being those with a taste for swill concocted for the unthinking masses? If that's the case, being called "out-of-step" is high praise.

TT

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Sep 2, 2016, 2:01:00 PM9/2/16
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True, out of step with teenage Marvel fanboys is nothing to be ashamed of.

calim...@gmx.de

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Sep 3, 2016, 5:08:41 AM9/3/16
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Could the professor reveal in which year she did have it?
So I can compare photos?

Lol ...


Max


BTW, do you also have more information about Tom Cruise being gay or Obama being born in Kenya?

calim...@gmx.de

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On Friday, September 2, 2016 at 2:05:29 PM UTC+2, StephenJ wrote:
> > On 9/1/2016 4:18 PM, calim...@gmx.de wrote:
> > while the Grafs, Kournikovas and Sharapovas are from Europe ...
>
>
> That's like saying "rebel wilson, bar rafaeli, and giselle bundchen".
>
>
>

Spot on - Steffi indeed looks somehow like Giselle!

Max

Whisper

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Sep 3, 2016, 9:58:20 AM9/3/16
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Just watched it. I give it a solid 7, only because I had realistic
expectations for a superhero flick. The 7 is for the superhero genre,
not overall.

It's a shame they can't make the story lines more engaging to go along
with the great graphics, but I guess these flicks make a billion $
profit so why try too hard when you don't have to? There are a lot of
talented writers who could write great storylines given the chance.




Whisper

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Sep 3, 2016, 10:06:02 AM9/3/16
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I agree the storylines could be improved greatly, but these flicks make
huge profits & nobody wants to take chances with cold hard cash. As
consumers we can take it or leave it, & most of us take it in the end.

It's catch-22. If we all stopped going to watch these films because the
story is lame, then they'd be forced to take chances & change the story.
However most will still go because of the eye-candy factor. This
means more of the same for the foreseeable future as you can't argue
with the huge profits.

Imo it's hypocritical to go to the trouble of watching these films &
rate them low, when you know what you're gonna get. Why even watch if
it's so lame?


Whisper

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Sep 3, 2016, 10:06:40 AM9/3/16
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Hey you guys all still watched it no?

That's my point.

Whisper

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Sep 3, 2016, 10:23:12 AM9/3/16
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C'mon Max there are millions of better looking German girls than Graf.
She's in good shape for her age, but you're looking at her like she's a
28 yr old Monica Bellucci. Get a grip.


Gracchus

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Sep 3, 2016, 10:49:38 AM9/3/16
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I didn't watch it.

Whisper

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Sep 3, 2016, 11:38:20 AM9/3/16
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My wife is a huge movie buff & she watches these Marvel flicks & tv
shows. She gives them about 7/10 too.

Let's face it superheroes is a silly concept really, so unrealistic to
expect Shakespeare.


Gracchus

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Sep 3, 2016, 11:49:47 AM9/3/16
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One could say that about fantasy or sci-fi in general, but it is not really a strong argument because all fiction is fantasy to some extent even if "reality" based. Any genre is just a framework, and the framework can contain a whole range of content, from cheap laughs to deep truths.

Now as far as the Marvel films go, some are quite good and some are terrible. Can't dump everything in the "7" basket (or any other rating) when they're clearly not the same across the board.

TT

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Sep 3, 2016, 2:46:21 PM9/3/16
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3.9.2016, 16:58, Whisper kirjoitti:
> On 3/09/2016 3:33 AM, TT wrote:
>> 2.9.2016, 19:38, Whisper kirjoitti:
>>> On 3/09/2016 1:06 AM, TT wrote:
>>>> 2.9.2016, 14:20, jdeluise kirjoitti:
>>>>>> I'm watching it tomorrow. IMDB rates it high.
>>>>
>>>> IMDB rating is dropping as we speak. High rating is normal for new
>>>> movies, especially superhero movies. Fanbois go to cinema and rate it
>>>> 10. Later on normal audience gets to see it.
>>>>
>>>> After watching it and noticing that also rottentomatoes rates it
>>>> relatively high, my conclusion is that I'll wipe my ass with
>>>> opinions of
>>>> modern "critics".
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That's ok for you as you have free will, but for the rest of us it tells
>>> us not to ask you for opinions on movies as you are out of step with
>>> normal people.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Well have you seen it?
>
>
> Just watched it. I give it a solid 7, only because I had realistic
> expectations for a superhero flick. The 7 is for the superhero genre,
> not overall.
>

I give it 8 as a Chuck Norris film, 5 overall.


> It's a shame they can't make the story lines more engaging to go along
> with the great graphics, but I guess these flicks make a billion $
> profit so why try too hard when you don't have to?

That's the problem...

> There are a lot of
> talented writers who could write great storylines given the chance.

Yet the only storyline they could come up with this one was "let's make
them all fight each other". Maybe that's ok too, but haven't we seen
this before...

jdeluise

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Sep 3, 2016, 3:25:18 PM9/3/16
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Whisper <beav...@ozemail.com.au> writes:


> I agree the storylines could be improved greatly, but these flicks
> make huge profits & nobody wants to take chances with cold hard cash.
> As consumers we can take it or leave it, & most of us take it in the
> end.
>
> It's catch-22. If we all stopped going to watch these films because
> the story is lame, then they'd be forced to take chances & change the
> story. However most will still go because of the eye-candy factor.
> This means more of the same for the foreseeable future as you can't
> argue with the huge profits.
>
> Imo it's hypocritical to go to the trouble of watching these films &
> rate them low, when you know what you're gonna get. Why even watch if
> it's so lame?

So when it comes to movies you support "The Establishment" but in the
world of politics you choose a buffoon?

calim...@gmx.de

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Sep 3, 2016, 7:51:42 PM9/3/16
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On Saturday, September 3, 2016 at 4:23:12 PM UTC+2, Whisper wrote:
> On 3/09/2016 7:10 PM, calim...@gmx.de wrote:
> > On Friday, September 2, 2016 at 2:05:29 PM UTC+2, StephenJ wrote:
> >>> On 9/1/2016 4:18 PM, calim...@gmx.de wrote:
> >>> while the Grafs, Kournikovas and Sharapovas are from Europe ...
> >>
> >>
> >> That's like saying "rebel wilson, bar rafaeli, and giselle bundchen".
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Spot on - Steffi indeed looks somehow like Giselle!
> >
> > Max
> >
>
>
> C'mon Max there are millions of better looking German girls than Graf.


Lol


Max

Whisper

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Sep 4, 2016, 5:14:14 AM9/4/16
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Because we don't get choice. Either watch or go without.


>but in the
> world of politics you choose a buffoon?
>


That's a strategic choice.

stephenJ

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Sep 4, 2016, 12:05:15 PM9/4/16
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Ding! :)


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Gracchus

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Sep 4, 2016, 12:15:18 PM9/4/16
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On Sunday, September 4, 2016 at 9:05:15 AM UTC-7, StephenJ wrote:
> On 9/3/2016 9:23 AM, Whisper wrote:

> > C'mon Max there are millions of better looking German girls than Graf.
> > She's in good shape for her age, but you're looking at her like she's a
> > 28 yr old Monica Bellucci. Get a grip.

> Ding! :)

Monica Belucci is always the go-to reference point of female perfection for Whisp these days. His old sticky poster of Jessica Alba must be feeling neglected.

calim...@gmx.de

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Sep 4, 2016, 3:02:25 PM9/4/16
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I don't know Beluci but she doesn't seem to be a tennis player.
Since this is a tennis forum she is not relevant. Steffi Graf is the greatest female tennis player of all time, so she is relevant. Especially US media seem to be obsessed with her this year. And I find it quite interesting how fit and beautiful she still is at age 47. I don't know any other player who has kept her form like her post-retirement. We can only guess how many more slams she would have won had she continued to play until age 35 like the top US players (Evert, Navratilova, Williamses).
Maybe only 2 or 3, but I think 5-7 more would be a more realistic guess.

Max

Court_1

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Sep 4, 2016, 3:26:05 PM9/4/16
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On Sunday, September 4, 2016 at 3:02:25 PM UTC-4, calim...@gmx.de wrote:

> Steffi Graf is the greatest female tennis player of all time,

Not according to many tennis analysts who say Serena has surpassed her. Either way, it's very close. Another slam or two for Serena and Serena will be the undisputed GOAT.


>And I find it quite interesting how fit and beautiful she still is at age 47. I don't know any other player who has kept her form like her post-retirement.

Seriously, seek professional help already. Your obsession is off the charts abnormal.

calim...@gmx.de

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Sep 4, 2016, 4:07:51 PM9/4/16
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On Sunday, September 4, 2016 at 9:26:05 PM UTC+2, Court_1 wrote:
> On Sunday, September 4, 2016 at 3:02:25 PM UTC-4, calim...@gmx.de wrote:
>
> > Steffi Graf is the greatest female tennis player of all time,
>
> Not according to many tennis analysts who say Serena has surpassed her. Either way, it's very close. Another slam or two for Serena and Serena will be the undisputed GOAT.
>

No, not even then.
Greatness is more than the number of slams.

> >And I find it quite interesting how fit and beautiful she still is at age 47. I don't know any other player who has kept her form like her post-retirement.
>
> Seriously, seek professional help already. Your obsession is off the charts abnormal.

You do know an other player who has kept her form like Steffi post-retirement????

Max

Whisper

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Sep 5, 2016, 6:06:35 AM9/5/16
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On 5/09/2016 2:05 AM, stephenJ wrote:
> On 9/3/2016 9:23 AM, Whisper wrote:
>> On 3/09/2016 7:10 PM, calim...@gmx.de wrote:
>>> On Friday, September 2, 2016 at 2:05:29 PM UTC+2, StephenJ wrote:
>>>>> On 9/1/2016 4:18 PM, calim...@gmx.de wrote:
>>>>> while the Grafs, Kournikovas and Sharapovas are from Europe ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's like saying "rebel wilson, bar rafaeli, and giselle bundchen".
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Spot on - Steffi indeed looks somehow like Giselle!
>>>
>>> Max
>>>
>>
>>
>> C'mon Max there are millions of better looking German girls than Graf.
>> She's in good shape for her age, but you're looking at her like she's a
>> 28 yr old Monica Bellucci. Get a grip.
>
> Ding! :)
>
>


Let's be realistic;



Graf at 47;

http://www.who2.com/bio/steffi-graf/steffi-graf-2/



Bellucci at age 47;

http://www.indiatimes.com/fashion/monica-bellucci-tells-how-to-be-stylish-at-40s_-26411.html


To be fair I posted a pic of Graf with make-up & nice dress, but there's
just no comparison. Bellucci's worst pic would beat Graf's best like
Usain Bolt v Max over 200 mtrs.





Whisper

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Sep 5, 2016, 6:10:44 AM9/5/16
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Monica has been my no.1 for about 20 yrs. The 1st film I aw of her was
'The Apartment'. You just can't take your eyes off her - amazing genes.

There are a few others right up there like Natalie Wood, Amber Herd etc
- but I'd go with 20-something Monica if I had to pick 1.


Whisper

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Sep 5, 2016, 6:14:21 AM9/5/16
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No doubt Graf is in great physical shape & most likely would have got to
30 slams if she kept injuries at bay & regained motivation (not a
given), but I wouldn't describe as her beautiful after about age 30.
Again it's subjective, but no point trying to convince others. It's in
the eye of the beholder.


Whisper

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Sep 5, 2016, 6:17:31 AM9/5/16
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I don't know of any other player who has maintained her tennis form like
Serena. Her longevity stats blow all other greats out of the water.
Graf, Navratilova & Evert all had a 12 yr span where they won all their
slams, Serena is up to 17 yrs (half a decade longer) & she's not done yet.


soccerfan777

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Sep 5, 2016, 11:29:59 AM9/5/16
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Sorry I never found Bellucci anything special. She looks too huge. Like an amazon. There are a lot more beautiful actresses.

Why would you compare actresses and supermodels to tennis players.

They don't play tennis 5 hours daily in the heat do they? And don't they do regular plastic surgery etc.

Graf was incredibly beautiful for a tennis player and I would say among champions only Maria tops her. She was better than hinges and Evert in looks in my opinion

Gracchus

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Sep 5, 2016, 12:22:13 PM9/5/16
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On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 8:29:59 AM UTC-7, soccerfan777 wrote:

> Sorry I never found Bellucci anything special. She looks too huge. Like an amazon. There are a lot more beautiful actresses.

Her looks are quite generic. There's nothing that sets her apart from a thousand other pretty models of that type.

Court_1

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Sep 5, 2016, 2:04:42 PM9/5/16
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On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 11:29:59 AM UTC-4, soccerfan777 wrote:

> Graf was incredibly beautiful for a tennis player

LOL. You're obviously blind. Beautiful? *shudders* Her face could haunt houses.


> and I would say among champions only Maria tops her.

Maria is better looking but that's not saying much. Ivanovic is much better looking than Graf too.

> She was better than hinges and Evert in looks in my opinion

None of those female tennis players are good looking. They just look good compared to the rest.

Monica Puig is much cuter than Graf ever was or Hinges/Evert were.

Gracchus

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Sep 5, 2016, 2:08:13 PM9/5/16
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On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 11:04:42 AM UTC-7, Court_1 wrote:
> On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 11:29:59 AM UTC-4, soccerfan777 wrote:

> > Graf was incredibly beautiful for a tennis player

> LOL. You're obviously blind. Beautiful? *shudders* Her face could haunt houses.

That's stupid. She was not ugly.

soccerfan777

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On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 1:04:42 PM UTC-5, Court_1 wrote:
> On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 11:29:59 AM UTC-4, soccerfan777 wrote:
>
> > Graf was incredibly beautiful for a tennis player
>
> LOL. You're obviously blind. Beautiful? *shudders* Her face could haunt houses.
>
>

Beautiful for a tennis player.. yes. I am talking about Graf's as of 1989-1993... her peak in terms of looks

> > and I would say among champions only Maria tops her.
>
> Maria is better looking but that's not saying much. Ivanovic is much better looking than Graf too.


Ivanovic won one slam. I dont consider her a champion. She is quite overrated by you and many folks here. Now that she has lost weight, the skinny look doesnt even suit her.

>
> > She was better than hinges and Evert in looks in my opinion
>
> None of those female tennis players are good looking. They just look good compared to the rest.


Yeah, and they are tennis players not super models. You have to have a different standard for tennis players.

>
> Monica Puig is much cuter than Graf ever was or Hinges/Evert were.

Havent seen her but have seen her pics. She looks like Consuela the maid. Sorry. But there are much better latinos out there.

soccerfan777

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Sep 5, 2016, 2:11:51 PM9/5/16
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Yes. We should have a look at Court1's pics. I am sure she might have a haunting face (and not in a good way).

Court_1

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Sep 5, 2016, 2:12:55 PM9/5/16
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I wouldn't say Bellucci is generic looking but she's not the goddess Whisper/TT make her out to be. It's such a subjective thing. You don't think Natalie Wood was anything special and I think she was super adorable (when I was growing up my mother would always go on and on about how pretty Natalie Wood was.)
I'd pick Grace Kelly over any of the others. Look at her here and read the quote by Michael Caine below the pics:

http://crazyaboutcary.tumblr.com/post/143002779382/yocalio-what-is-your-favorite-love-scene-it

She was spectacular IMO.

Court_1

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Sep 5, 2016, 2:15:05 PM9/5/16
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Stupid? Because I don't agree with you? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and for me Graf's face was below average. There are plenty of people who agree with me.

Court_1

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Sep 5, 2016, 2:16:17 PM9/5/16
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You would be wrong about that.

Gracchus

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Sep 5, 2016, 2:20:58 PM9/5/16
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Well you just called Raja blind for differing with your view of Graf. How is that different from me saying your comment was stupid?

Gracchus

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Sep 5, 2016, 2:22:25 PM9/5/16
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How do you know that he'd be wrong if beauty is in the eye of the beholder? :)

stephenJ

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On 9/4/2016 11:15 AM, Gracchus wrote:
> On Sunday, September 4, 2016 at 9:05:15 AM UTC-7, StephenJ wrote:
>> On 9/3/2016 9:23 AM, Whisper wrote:
>
>>> C'mon Max there are millions of better looking German girls than Graf.
>>> She's in good shape for her age, but you're looking at her like she's a
>>> 28 yr old Monica Bellucci. Get a grip.
>
>> Ding! :)
>
> Monica Belucci is always the go-to reference point of female perfection for Whisp these days.

All that proves is that he's a 100% heterosexual male, since Belucci is
definitely in the 10/A+ category. She's still hot even in her 50s. 15
years ago she was almost off the charts.

stephenJ

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Sep 5, 2016, 2:30:56 PM9/5/16
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> On 9/5/2016 10:29 AM, soccerfan777 wrote:
> Sorry I never found Bellucci anything special.

That's because you're not normal.

stephenJ

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Sep 5, 2016, 2:32:25 PM9/5/16
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Why are you allowing yourself to be trolled like this? Obviously Belluci
is 4-5 points higher than Graf on a 1-10 scale. It's like comparing
Bolt's speed to Del Potro's.

Gracchus

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Sep 5, 2016, 2:36:54 PM9/5/16
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On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 11:29:57 AM UTC-7, StephenJ wrote:
> On 9/4/2016 11:15 AM, Gracchus wrote:

> > Monica Belucci is always the go-to reference point of female perfection for Whisp these days.

> All that proves is that he's a 100% heterosexual male, since Belucci is
> definitely in the 10/A+ category. She's still hot even in her 50s. 15
> years ago she was almost off the charts.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with her. She's just like countless attractive, statuesque models of the sort that grace the covers of fashion magazines every week. There's nothing distinctive that sets her apart from the pack.

Court_1

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Sep 5, 2016, 2:47:02 PM9/5/16
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On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 2:11:01 PM UTC-4, soccerfan777 wrote:

>
> Beautiful for a tennis player.. yes. I am talking about Graf's as of 1989-1993... her peak in terms of looks

No she wasn't beautiful for a tennis player during that time or any other time. For me she was the opposite of beautiful.
Sharapova is nice looking for a tennis player. Ivanovic is nice looking for a tennis player. IMO.


> > Monica Puig is much cuter than Graf ever was or Hinges/Evert were.
>
> Havent seen her but have seen her pics. She looks like Consuela the maid. Sorry. But there are much better latinos out there.

But we are talking about tennis players and she is cute compared to the average pro tennis player.

This is a subject we'll never agree on. There are many people who found Graf attractive and many who found her unattractive. Max is an unhinged nut on this subject. He has a serious problem.

Court_1

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Sep 5, 2016, 2:50:31 PM9/5/16
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Bellucci is definitely nice looking and much better than Steffi Graf ever was which is where this discussion began.

stephenJ

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Sep 5, 2016, 2:57:52 PM9/5/16
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On 9/5/2016 1:50 PM, Court_1 wrote:
> On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 2:36:54 PM UTC-4, Gracchus wrote:
>> On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 11:29:57 AM UTC-7, StephenJ wrote:
>>> On 9/4/2016 11:15 AM, Gracchus wrote:
>>
>>>> Monica Belucci is always the go-to reference point of female perfection for Whisp these days.
>>
>>> All that proves is that he's a 100% heterosexual male, since Belucci is
>>> definitely in the 10/A+ category. She's still hot even in her 50s. 15
>>> years ago she was almost off the charts.
>>
>> I'm not saying there's anything wrong with her.

So ... who is "distinctive" looking that is better? Studies have shown
that facial symmetry is a big part of attractiveness for men and women.

I mean, a woman with a rhinoceros horn sticking out of her face would be
distinctive looking, but that wouldn't help her looks much.

Gracchus

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Sep 5, 2016, 3:01:40 PM9/5/16
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Yes, and then it split into another direction, as threads often do. :) Sure, Belucci is definitely better-looking than Graf, but then Graf was never a professional model/actress, so comparing them looks-wise is as unfair as comparing Belucci's tennis skills to those of a champion like Graf. And being a champion of that caliber is a more admirable achievement than winning the genetic lottery anyway.
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