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*skriptis
Aug 23, 2018, 8:45:05 AM8/23/18
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Everyone is sad, Federer is sad, Luthi says he's sad etc.
What did you expect when you have Pique calling the shots?
It might be to difficult to explain why e.g. someone FC Barcelona
is unsuited for that job. Barcelona is centre of Spanish
degeneracy and opposition to every tradition.
Of course Pique will crush the Davis cup as we've know it.
My question is, if they wanted to rehabilitate it, revitalize it,
why didn't they just started giving ATP points? Lots of points?
They didn't even need money.
There's so much emphasis on those stupid ATP500s and they're like
mandatory, 4 of them. Yet nobody cares.
There was plenty of room.
Let's face it.
They didn't want Davis cup to survive.
The format was fantastic and fair. It was from an earlier era when
world was a better place.
Under this format you had e.g. Djokovic going to Boise, Idaho to
play vs USA.
Theoretically you'd have Federer going to Kazakhstan etc.
Croatia won Davis cup vs Slovakia and people in Bratislava had
opportunity to see Ancic, Ljubicic, Ivanisevic.
We also lost a final at home, watched del Potro beating us in
football like atmosphere with Maradona in the crowd etc.
Federer won it in Lyon I believe.
Was that not a truly global spectacle in that format? Global in
the positive sense?
Now It's gone. Globalists of the modern globo-homo lobby have
taken over everything and they destroy everything. They want to
destroy nations and diversity of human races, ethnicities and
cultures.
You get a Davis cup in some megalopolis once a year in a complete
non-patriotic surrounding, sterile and alienated from the people.
It's disgusting.
Davis cup will now resemble those year end exos where bunch of
players are packed in team A, team B and play vs each others.
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What did you expect when you have Pique calling the shots?
It might be to difficult to explain why e.g. someone FC Barcelona
is unsuited for that job. Barcelona is centre of Spanish
degeneracy and opposition to every tradition.
Of course Pique will crush the Davis cup as we've know it.
My question is, if they wanted to rehabilitate it, revitalize it,
why didn't they just started giving ATP points? Lots of points?
They didn't even need money.
There's so much emphasis on those stupid ATP500s and they're like
mandatory, 4 of them. Yet nobody cares.
There was plenty of room.
Let's face it.
They didn't want Davis cup to survive.
The format was fantastic and fair. It was from an earlier era when
world was a better place.
Under this format you had e.g. Djokovic going to Boise, Idaho to
play vs USA.
Theoretically you'd have Federer going to Kazakhstan etc.
Croatia won Davis cup vs Slovakia and people in Bratislava had
opportunity to see Ancic, Ljubicic, Ivanisevic.
We also lost a final at home, watched del Potro beating us in
football like atmosphere with Maradona in the crowd etc.
Federer won it in Lyon I believe.
Was that not a truly global spectacle in that format? Global in
the positive sense?
Now It's gone. Globalists of the modern globo-homo lobby have
taken over everything and they destroy everything. They want to
destroy nations and diversity of human races, ethnicities and
cultures.
You get a Davis cup in some megalopolis once a year in a complete
non-patriotic surrounding, sterile and alienated from the people.
It's disgusting.
Davis cup will now resemble those year end exos where bunch of
players are packed in team A, team B and play vs each others.
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MBDunc
Aug 23, 2018, 9:10:43 AM8/23/18
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On Thursday, August 23, 2018 at 3:45:05 PM UTC+3, *skriptis wrote:
> Everyone is sad, Federer is sad, Luthi says he's sad etc.
Dunno, recent years DC has been more like annoying break to regular tournament schedule. Like annoying relative visit you have to stand every now and then?
> Everyone is sad, Federer is sad, Luthi says he's sad etc.
I think the final nail to DC coffin was this surprise success of Laver Cup last Autumn?
> My question is, if they wanted to rehabilitate it, revitalize it,
> why didn't they just started giving ATP points? Lots of points?
> They didn't even need money.
> There's so much emphasis on those stupid ATP500s and they're like
> mandatory, 4 of them. Yet nobody cares.
> They didn't want Davis cup to survive.
http://sport360.com/article/tennis/international-tennis/250129/was-the-inaugural-laver-cup-a-success
> The format was fantastic and fair. It was from an earlier era when
> world was a better place.
Then who can remember last year's SF lineup? Or which teams are still in this year? Or which countries were promoted/relegated last year?
> You get a Davis cup in some megalopolis once a year in a complete
> non-patriotic surrounding, sterile and alienated from the people.
.mikko
*skriptis
Aug 23, 2018, 9:30:04 AM8/23/18
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MBDunc <mich...@dnainternet.net> Wrote in message:
failure. It failed to attract me.
The format is stupid, e.g. Europe vs the world? Dumb.
Personally I feel it's a waste of Laver's name.
>> My question is, if they wanted to rehabilitate it, revitalize it,
>> why didn't they just started giving ATP points? Lots of points?
>> They didn't even need money.
>
> Davis Cup actually gave ranking points some years back for a couple of years. Why this was dropped?
Because they didn't want Davis cup to survive?
>> There's so much emphasis on those stupid ATP500s and they're like
>> mandatory, 4 of them. Yet nobody cares.
>
> ? What do you mean here?
Players get pts from yec, slams, ATP1000s (minus Monte Carlo) plus
4 ATP500 (or 3 if Monte Carlo included) and the rest is made of
those 250s.
So ATP500s are mandatory in a way?
I mean players can skip it, but then they'll get 0 pts from it and
0pts will go into their ranking, and not e.g. 250 they got
winning ATP 250s If they won bunch of those.
>
>> They didn't want Davis cup to survive.
>
> It just did not generate enough interest, buzz or money I suppose? Maybe this Laver Cup is again to blame:
>
> http://sport360.com/article/tennis/international-tennis/250129/was-the-inaugural-laver-cup-a-success
There was no buzz when you had best players forced to play in
Barcelona, Washington or Dubai instead of forcing them to play
Davis cup?
>
>> The format was fantastic and fair. It was from an earlier era when
>> world was a better place.
>
> Was...not up-to-modern standards though? The key problem with its structure was than when DC rounds happened, you had no direct idea which countries were still in? And when top players kept skipping early rounds - it was like b-teams playing >50% of time?
Yes, but you solve that with ATP pts.
>
> Then who can remember last year's SF lineup? Or which teams are still in this year? Or which countries were promoted/relegated last year?
>
>> You get a Davis cup in some megalopolis once a year in a complete
>> non-patriotic surrounding, sterile and alienated from the people.
>
> This is obviously the biggest miss. I generally hate patriotism, but somehow -especially in tennis- a different set of heroic stories where constantly made at Davis Cup clinches.
Why do you hate patriotism?
You like Burkina Faso or New Zealand as much as you like Finland?
I find that weird.
How about this? Do you like Raja's wife as much as your own?
;)
> On Thursday, August 23, 2018 at 3:45:05 PM UTC+3, *skriptis wrote:
>> Everyone is sad, Federer is sad, Luthi says he's sad etc.
>
> Dunno, recent years DC has been more like annoying break to regular tournament schedule. Like annoying relative visit you have to stand every now and then?
>
> I think the final nail to DC coffin was this surprise success of Laver Cup last Autumn?
I haven't watched any of it, so for me, Laver cup was an utter
>> Everyone is sad, Federer is sad, Luthi says he's sad etc.
>
> Dunno, recent years DC has been more like annoying break to regular tournament schedule. Like annoying relative visit you have to stand every now and then?
>
> I think the final nail to DC coffin was this surprise success of Laver Cup last Autumn?
failure. It failed to attract me.
The format is stupid, e.g. Europe vs the world? Dumb.
Personally I feel it's a waste of Laver's name.
>> My question is, if they wanted to rehabilitate it, revitalize it,
>> why didn't they just started giving ATP points? Lots of points?
>> They didn't even need money.
>
> Davis Cup actually gave ranking points some years back for a couple of years. Why this was dropped?
>> There's so much emphasis on those stupid ATP500s and they're like
>> mandatory, 4 of them. Yet nobody cares.
>
> ? What do you mean here?
4 ATP500 (or 3 if Monte Carlo included) and the rest is made of
those 250s.
So ATP500s are mandatory in a way?
I mean players can skip it, but then they'll get 0 pts from it and
0pts will go into their ranking, and not e.g. 250 they got
winning ATP 250s If they won bunch of those.
>
>> They didn't want Davis cup to survive.
>
> It just did not generate enough interest, buzz or money I suppose? Maybe this Laver Cup is again to blame:
>
> http://sport360.com/article/tennis/international-tennis/250129/was-the-inaugural-laver-cup-a-success
Barcelona, Washington or Dubai instead of forcing them to play
Davis cup?
>
>> The format was fantastic and fair. It was from an earlier era when
>> world was a better place.
>
> Was...not up-to-modern standards though? The key problem with its structure was than when DC rounds happened, you had no direct idea which countries were still in? And when top players kept skipping early rounds - it was like b-teams playing >50% of time?
>
> Then who can remember last year's SF lineup? Or which teams are still in this year? Or which countries were promoted/relegated last year?
>
>> You get a Davis cup in some megalopolis once a year in a complete
>> non-patriotic surrounding, sterile and alienated from the people.
>
> This is obviously the biggest miss. I generally hate patriotism, but somehow -especially in tennis- a different set of heroic stories where constantly made at Davis Cup clinches.
You like Burkina Faso or New Zealand as much as you like Finland?
I find that weird.
How about this? Do you like Raja's wife as much as your own?
;)
MBDunc
Aug 23, 2018, 10:16:23 AM8/23/18
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On Thursday, August 23, 2018 at 4:30:04 PM UTC+3, *skriptis wrote:
> Why do you hate patriotism?
It is subjective greater good for totally selfish reasons. I know that I am in a minority with this opinion.
> Why do you hate patriotism?
.mikko
*skriptis
Aug 23, 2018, 10:25:39 AM8/23/18
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MBDunc <mich...@dnainternet.net> Wrote in message:
> On Thursday, August 23, 2018 at 4:30:04 PM UTC+3, *skriptis wrote:
>> Why do you hate patriotism?
>
> It is subjective greater good for totally selfish reasons. I know that I am in a minority with this opinion.
Maybe Djokovic should have been "objective" and let Kevin Anderson
>> Why do you hate patriotism?
>
> It is subjective greater good for totally selfish reasons. I know that I am in a minority with this opinion.
win the Wimbledon trophy?
He had 3 vs 0 that Kevin had.
He was very selfish taking that 4th.
MBDunc
Aug 23, 2018, 10:34:06 AM8/23/18
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On Thursday, August 23, 2018 at 4:30:04 PM UTC+3, *skriptis wrote:
> Why do you hate patriotism?
>
> You like Burkina Faso or New Zealand as much as you like Finland?
>
> I find that weird.
Oh I missed that later part. Let's say I am probably too comfortable to pass a top civilized country (say Finland, Canada, Sweden...etc) but I really does not see any other extra special in Finland but relative luck that I have born here instead of more problematic areas of the world?
>
> You like Burkina Faso or New Zealand as much as you like Finland?
>
> I find that weird.
Do not get me wrong: Finland is great but it is foolish to think that a country deserves extra privileges or is somehow specially sacred - just because you happen to live there?
> How about this? Do you like Raja's wife as much as your own?
.mikko
*skriptis
Aug 23, 2018, 11:04:16 AM8/23/18
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MBDunc <mich...@dnainternet.net> Wrote in message:
You could have been born in prison by a mom who's a convict but
that would not make you a prisoner.
Nor would you be a cave man just for being born in a cave.
Or most philosophically, Jesus was born among sheep and goats but
he was no animal, rather a human, even more, son of
God.
Ok, it's a philosophy, but hope you get my point?
Anyone who is proud of his country, isn't proud of some location
he was born into, whether we're talking about hospital building,
or a larger geographical territory.
It's nonsensical to look at it that way.
The pride is directed at your ancestors, their achievements, their
succes in survival, and perhaps if you'll honour everything they
did, and what they were, given that they are you, you having
their DNA, and so on, you'll respect yourself and life too.
It's called historical memory.
And yes. It exists.
E.g. Trump's kids are proud of their father's achievements
becoming most famous US president while they had nothing or very
little to do with that.
In the same vein, they're proud of their grandparents who started
family business etc.
So those who are proud, they're proud of their ancestors and their
people and not some geographical location.
You said you're lucky that Finland is a good place to live? But
who made it that way if not your ancestors?
It's not luck. It's a hard work that needs to be appreciated.
Nobody can force you though, I'm just saying patriotism is logical
imo.
wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk
Aug 25, 2018, 3:15:20 PM8/25/18
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In article <plmcso$9ci$1...@sunce.iskon.hr>, skri...@post.t-com.hr
it didn't work, and b) it wasn't really fair to the players who couldn't
participate because their country was too small to field a team or so
large that you could be top 50 and still not qualify, I think.
wg
(*skriptis) wrote:
> > Was...not up-to-modern standards though? The key problem with its
> structure was than when DC rounds happened, you had no direct idea
> which countries were still in? And when top players kept skipping
> early rounds - it was like b-teams playing >50% of time?
>
>
> Yes, but you solve that with ATP pts.
They gave points hoping the top players would play Davis Cup more, but a)
> > Was...not up-to-modern standards though? The key problem with its
> structure was than when DC rounds happened, you had no direct idea
> which countries were still in? And when top players kept skipping
> early rounds - it was like b-teams playing >50% of time?
>
>
> Yes, but you solve that with ATP pts.
it didn't work, and b) it wasn't really fair to the players who couldn't
participate because their country was too small to field a team or so
large that you could be top 50 and still not qualify, I think.
wg
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