OT: The Mandalorian

[TT]

Very nice Disney series based on Star Wars... lots of stuff from
original trilogy - and awfully cute Baby Yoda!

Recommended for SW fans. Lots of action & Star Wars ambience. The only
negative is imo that one episode is too short... only 30 minutes.

I guess today they'll show the 3rd episode. Anyone else watched this?

[jdeluise]

Yeah, I've watched it. It feels a bit spartan, with the main character
having roughly the same amount of dialogue as Arnold in "The Terminator"
and very little context to the story. I did feel a bit more drawn in by
the end of the second episode though.

[TT]

Yeah, there could be a bit more dialogue... then again good character
development doesn't always require that. Well, we'll see... I will
certainly be watching...

Definitely looks so far better than the recent animated Star Wars series
which I managed to mostly avoid.

[TT]

jdeluise kirjoitti 22.11.2019 klo 7:46:

Third ep was pretty good... a nice mix of a Star Wars western & John Wick.

Btw, the theme music has lots of elements lifted from Rocky...

[undecided]

Is it childish or can adults watch it?

[Calimero]

Another film tip for you - Teletubbies!


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I'm not sure but TT prefers childish and fantasy stuff.


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[TT]

Certainly if you like Star Wars. Somewhat hard boiled action, something
between Star Wars, westerns & John Wick so far.

If you're looking for adult drama then you're maybe better watching
Ordinary People etc.

[Sawfish]

Diverging here, j. Did you ever watch the series "Deadwood"? If so, what
did you make of it?

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[jdeluise]

Sawfish <sawfi...@gmail.com> writes:

>
> Diverging here, j. Did you ever watch the series "Deadwood"? If so,
> what did you make of it?

I watched an episode, maybe two. The main thing I remembered was that
it had the opposite problem with regard to dialog... much too much of it
seemed to be contrived profanity merely thrown in because HBO "can" (and
I have no problem with profanity, it just wasn't credibly used here).
Was it worth continuing?

[jdeluise]

Calimero <calim...@gmx.de> writes:

> Am Freitag, 22. November 2019 06:30:18 UTC+1 schrieb TT:
>> Very nice Disney series based on Star Wars... lots of stuff from
>> original trilogy - and awfully cute Baby Yoda!
>>
>> Recommended for SW fans. Lots of action & Star Wars ambience. The only
>> negative is imo that one episode is too short... only 30 minutes.
>>
>> I guess today they'll show the 3rd episode. Anyone else watched this?
>
>
> Another film tip for you - Teletubbies!

Jaros probably has some good suggestions along those lines.

[Sawfish]

II think you're right on the money with those specific observations. I
thought that too and mentioned it to my wife derisively.

But I was real bored and stuck out the first episode. Then I watched
maybe two more and certain aspects fell together for me:

1) You can view the setting and social environment almost as a fairly
honest sociology experiment. It is important to realize at the outset,
Deadwood was a part of no political entity in the US: it was on Indian
Territory and was hence beyond any formal law.

Now they could have sensationalized this, but somehow did not. The
situation is exactly like would be found in a Sergio Leone movie, but it
was clear that it was in the best interest of all who were there to try
to get along in some fashion, and to profit by the opportunity--which
was why they were there in the first place.

This came off very well in the course of the series, because more and
more people came in almost daily, and there was increasing pressure to
incorporate the area into some form of government, primarily to exploit
any financial advantage from resource extraction.

2) The characters develop very slowly. It might take 4-5 episodes to
begin to see the motivations for the particular behaviors they manifest.
The acting is quite good (mostly). For the most part it is believable,
although there are pot-boiler elements to the plot.

3) Worldview.

This is personal and will vary among viewers. I happened to like the way
some of the characters tended to view the nature of life. Others might not.

4) Humor. There is some very witty humor contained in the series. No
guffaws, just sly stuff.

5) Language and dramatic/technical aspects. It dawned on me that parts
of the dialogue were constructed like Shakespearean passages; I happen
to like this sort of language, if there's not too much of it. There are
also true soliloquies in several points, just like Iago talking about
how he's going to fuck up Othello, or Hamlet talking to the skull.

If you can watch it for 4 episodes and do not find it appealing, there'd
be no use watching any more of it.


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[grif]

Oh, cool. Didn't realise the 3rd episode was today. It's like 'Man with No Name' in the SW universe. Shows some promise.

Other shows I've been watching or watched: Season 2 of "The End of the F***ing World", final season of "Mr. Robot" (shit is intense!), "The Boys" (pretty good) and "Watchmen" (the timeline seems to after the events of the original comic/film so kind of a sequel).

[jdeluise]

grif <griff...@hotmail.com> writes:

> On 22/11/2019 05:30, TT wrote:
>> Very nice Disney series based on Star Wars... lots of stuff from
>> original trilogy - and awfully cute Baby Yoda!
>>
>> Recommended for SW fans. Lots of action & Star Wars ambience. The
>> only negative is imo that one episode is too short... only 30
>> minutes.
>>
>> I guess today they'll show the 3rd episode. Anyone else watched this?
>
> Oh, cool. Didn't realise the 3rd episode was today. It's like 'Man
> with No Name' in the SW universe. Shows some promise.
>
> Other shows I've been watching or watched: Season 2 of "The End of the
> F***ing World",

I watched season 1, it made me think of the album cover for Sonic
Youth's "Goo". Pretty good show.

> final season of "Mr. Robot" (shit is intense!),

Wanted to like it, the first couple of episodes turned me off with the
laughable techno-babble, maybe if I can look past that I'll try again.

> "The Boys" (pretty good) and "Watchmen" (the timeline seems to after
> the events of the original comic/film so kind of a sequel).

Liked "The Boys" quite well, surprisingly... I think the premise has
been done many times before to differing degrees, but I thought this was
well done.

[TT]

Is Watchmen any good? Sort of thinking of giving it a try...

I liked the film a lot... not especially the dark Rorschach character
but rather the blue all-powerful Dr. Manhattan and his philosophies on
existence. So is it more about him or just another superhero flick with
some "dark" elements.

Oh yes, Disney+ is also making another SW series next year, on Obi Wan.
Could be that we're soon as over saturated with Star Wars as we already
are with superhero films.

[jdeluise]

Sawfish <sawfi...@gmail.com> writes:

>
> 1) You can view the setting and social environment almost as a fairly
> honest sociology experiment. It is important to realize at the outset,
> Deadwood was a part of no political entity in the US: it was on Indian
> Territory and was hence beyond any formal law.

Totally tangential, but have you seen "Hell on Wheels"? That had almost
an opposite problem, I really liked the first couple episodes.... then
the identity politics and, in some cases, what seemed like revisionist
history regarding slavery, Native American, "comfort women" etc. was
introduced and ruined it (I have a high tolerance for that too, but
found it sickening). Colm Meaney was absolutely excellent in his
complex role as a railroad baron/tycoon/swindler though, almost worth
watching for that alone.

[grif]

I wouldn't say "Watchmen" is just another superhero flick. So far, there has been no appearance of Doctor Manhattan, merely references. Midway through and I'm sufficiently intrigued to find out what is happening or going to happen. I would say it's worth watching, especially if you've seen the original film/comic and are are aware of some of the events from them.

[grif]

I have a soft spot for "The End of the F***ing World".
http://www.mtv.com/news/3060885/the-end-of-the-fing-world-quotes/

[Sawfish]

I'll give it a go.  Ian McShane in Deadwood as the pimp/saloon owner, Al
Swearengen was pretty good.

Somewhat related: I honestly do not think that Deadwood could be made
and released at this point. It is *painfully* out of step with today's
sensibilities.

Here's another thing...

A lot of the characters in Deadwood are in the historical record,
meaning that if the producers diddle the plot too much, anyone looking
even briefly at the history of the place will see mismatches.

E.g., Wild Bill Hickok is a historical character who was killed in
Deadwood. Sure enough, he lasts maybe 3-4 episodes, and out of the blue
a guy walks in and shoots him in the back of the head. No more Wild
Bill. Events move along. And they do so largely in conformity to the
historical record, so if someone dies historically, well, the plot isn't
massaged to keep them alive.

Gives the plot a sort of organic and plausible feel to it.

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[bob]

everyone at work is talking about it. but i don't stream disney so ...
nope.

bob

[undecided]

The Boys is superhero themed but made for adults. I liked it.
Mr.Robot is one of my faves, I will binge watch it once it's all done.
Watchmen is boring as hell.
Finished watching final season of 'Man in the high castle' which is fantastic.

[undecided]

Yeah I always wanted Marvel movies until I got 6+ of them per year, now I can't stand them anymore.
Always looked forward to new Star Wars movies but now Disney is going to bombard us with SW materials and we'll get sick of that as well.

[grif]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/hbos-watchmen-pisses-off-comics-fanboys-its-woke-propaganda

[TT]

"It appears that Watchmen is the latest target of something called
“review bombing,” in which trolls and agenda-driven users flood a forum
like Rotten Tomatoes or IMDb with one-star reviews in order to drain its
ratings score and create the illusion that it’s hated or unpopular. "

Trump supporters are like that. Never care for fairness of voting.

[grif]

On 22/11/2019 05:30, TT wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MF3M92ezEE
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/1327ld/these_blastpoints_only_imperial_stormtroopers_are/

[TT]

Yeah, that was a pretty funny scene... :)))

Oh and watched latest Star Wars the second time (on Finland's largest
IMAX (ISENSE) screen)... not so good on 2nd viewing for me. As I said
earlier, it's WAY too busy film... too much action & plot without any
breathers/time to reflect in between (action) scenes.

I downgraded my rating to 7. However have to be noted that some critics
of the film are incorrect; the plot makes total sense internally and
also in relation to previous films. It's just that there's too much of it.

Should have probably been a 3+ hour film.

Happy New Year guys.