Google Groups no longer supports new Usenet posts or subscriptions. Historical content remains viewable.
Dismiss

OT: Why the Comey firing could be Trump?s Watergate moment - Vox

62 views
Skip to first unread message

PeteWasLucky

unread,
May 10, 2017, 1:25:18 AM5/10/17
to
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/5/9/15602324/trump-co
mey-fbi-firing-watergate-nixon-scandal
--


----Android NewsGroup Reader----
http://usenet.sinaapp.com/

calim...@gmx.de

unread,
May 10, 2017, 2:23:05 AM5/10/17
to
On Wednesday, May 10, 2017 at 7:25:18 AM UTC+2, PeteWasLucky wrote:
> https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/5/9/15602324/trump-co
> mey-fbi-firing-watergate-nixon-scandal
> --
>



Vox?

Lol ...


Max

Brian W Lawrence

unread,
May 10, 2017, 3:24:42 AM5/10/17
to
On 10/05/2017 06:25, PeteWasLucky wrote:

> <https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/5/9/15602324/trump-comey-fbi-firing-watergate-nixon-scandal>

Woke up to this news. WTF?


---
This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
http://www.avg.com

stephenJ

unread,
May 10, 2017, 7:40:48 AM5/10/17
to
On 5/10/2017 2:24 AM, Brian W Lawrence wrote:
> On 10/05/2017 06:25, PeteWasLucky wrote:
>
>> <https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/5/9/15602324/trump-comey-fbi-firing-watergate-nixon-scandal>
>>
>
> Woke up to this news. WTF?

To bring you up to speed: Trump used some inaccurate testimony Comey
gave before Congress last week about the Anthony Weiner aspect of the
Hillary e-mail scandal as an excuse to do what he and also most
Democrats have wanted for a while now, fire Comey as FBI director.

But of course Trump-hating D-Rats are getting apoplectic, claiming the
real reason was that the FBI under Comey's brave leadership was coming
close to exposing a "smoking gun" showing that the Trump campaign
'colluded' with Russia over Hillary e-mail hacking last summer, so they
are equating it to Nixon's firing of a special prosecutor investigating
the Watergate scandal 43 years ago, and they are ranting about a
"constitutional crisis" as if Trump is obstructing justice to prevent
that "gun" from being revealed.

Of course there is no crisis, as Comey was not personally integral to
any FBI investigation of Trump-Russia collusion, and that investigation
will go on unhindered, and of course whoever Trump nominates to replace
Comey as FBI Director will have to be confirmed by the Senate, a Senate
with several Trump-hating *Republicans* who actually would like to see
him ousted so Pence can replace him, so Trump will not be able to pick a
lapdog. But D-Rats are either dumb or opportunistic, so rant about "crisis".

Hope that helped ...




---
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus

PeteWasLucky

unread,
May 10, 2017, 8:31:45 AM5/10/17
to
This has nothing to do with D-Rats, this is all about Trump, Russia and Comey not kissing Trump's behind.

Brian W Lawrence

unread,
May 10, 2017, 8:39:42 AM5/10/17
to
Not much, but thanks. Doesn't Andrew McCabe have links to Democrats?





---
This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
http://www.avg.com

heyg...@gmail.com

unread,
May 10, 2017, 9:00:57 AM5/10/17
to
You work at the FBI? lol

Or it could be that grand jury subpoenas were just issued and Trump is freaking out. Comey was the last independent man standing. Everyone else who stood up to Trump is gone (Yates, etc.).

Luckily the NY AG is going to pursue RICO charges against Trump and associates in state court. Since the president can only pardon federal crimes--not state--anyone they convict is beyond Trump's protection.

*skriptis

unread,
May 10, 2017, 9:01:02 AM5/10/17
to
PeteWasLucky <waleed...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
> This has nothing to do with D-Rats, this is all about Trump, Russia and Comey not kissing Trump's behind.
>


I don't care about this stuff, but isn't it pretty normal that FBI
director gets fired by the new president? It happens often,
or?

I am sure some know much more about this, I don't.

heyg...@gmail.com

unread,
May 10, 2017, 9:03:48 AM5/10/17
to
Nope. FBI Directors specifically have 10-year terms to be independent from the president. They can be fired, but it's rare and usually tied to clearly unethical or illegal activities (eg, when Clinton fired the FBI director). Comey-style firing is very rare.

stephenJ

unread,
May 10, 2017, 9:41:51 AM5/10/17
to
> Not much ..

Shocking, as it should have completely quelled your mind on this issue.





---

Brian W Lawrence

unread,
May 10, 2017, 10:24:38 AM5/10/17
to
On 10/05/2017 14:03, heyg...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 10, 2017 at 9:01:02 AM UTC-4, *skriptis wrote:
>> PeteWasLucky <waleed...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
>>> This has nothing to do with D-Rats, this is all about Trump, Russia and Comey not kissing Trump's behind.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I don't care about this stuff, but isn't it pretty normal that FBI
>> director gets fired by the new president? It happens often,
>> or?
>>
>> I am sure some know much more about this, I don't.

> Nope. FBI Directors specifically have 10-year terms to be independent from the president. They can be fired,
> but it's rare and usually tied to clearly unethical or illegal activities (eg, when Clinton fired the FBI director).
> Comey-style firing is very rare.

I heard that the Clinton firing of FBI Director Bill Sessions in July
1993 was the first, and until yesterday the only instance.

Since the 10-year term was introduced in 1976 no incumbent has served
the full term. However, in 2011, when Bob Mueller was approaching the
10-year mark, President Obama asked him to serve for an additional two
years and the Senate voted to approve this.



---
This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
http://www.avg.com

*skriptis

unread,
May 10, 2017, 10:30:02 AM5/10/17
to
heyg...@gmail.com Wrote in message:
Ok, but hasn't basically everyone been saying he's behaved
unethically during the campaign.

Meaning, you'd have no problem Hilary firing him. Now that Trump
does it's a problem?


Btw Trump is an entertainer, this is, another move of his to throw
his opponents off balance. He's a step ahead of them all the
time.
Losers. :)

Brian W Lawrence

unread,
May 10, 2017, 10:30:11 AM5/10/17
to
Not sure my mind is in need of quelling :-)

Someone said a few days ago that the President seemed to be settling
down to a normal, run of the mill Republican. Now he's looking more
and more like Tricky Dicky!

---
This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
http://www.avg.com

The Iceberg

unread,
May 10, 2017, 10:48:48 AM5/10/17
to
Lol 0 evidence of any election hacking - the whole mass media backed her but Hillary lost, Trump won!

The Iceberg

unread,
May 10, 2017, 10:53:20 AM5/10/17
to
Lol #fakenews Trump won!

The Iceberg

unread,
May 10, 2017, 10:54:56 AM5/10/17
to
Brian is a big Hillary fan, he would like there to be more than what actually happened.

Patrick Kehoe

unread,
May 10, 2017, 11:46:52 AM5/10/17
to
Looking in at "Trump's America" from the slight remove of Canada, the only real issue seems to be "will he survive himself", his anti-governmentalism, the posturing rhetoric, the media savagery, his playing both sides of issues, the lying as normative justification for behaviour, the counter intuitive billionaire as people's champion, the lack of policy knowledge... it's absolutely spellbinding in many ways and such a cautionary tale that most knowledgeable people are worried for the US...

P

stephenJ

unread,
May 10, 2017, 12:00:39 PM5/10/17
to
On 5/10/2017 9:30 AM, Brian W Lawrence wrote:
> On 10/05/2017 14:41, stephenJ wrote:
>> On 5/10/2017 7:39 AM, Brian W Lawrence wrote:
>>> On 10/05/2017 12:40, stephenJ wrote:
>>>> On 5/10/2017 2:24 AM, Brian W Lawrence wrote:
>
>>>> Hope that helped ...
>>>
>>> Not much ..
>>
>> Shocking, as it should have completely quelled your mind on this issue.
>
> Not sure my mind is in need of quelling :-)
>
> Someone said a few days ago that the President seemed to be settling
> down to a normal, run of the mill Republican. Now he's looking more
> and more like Tricky Dicky!

Only to biased Trump haters. :)


---

heyg...@gmail.com

unread,
May 10, 2017, 12:22:12 PM5/10/17
to
On Wednesday, May 10, 2017 at 10:48:48 AM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote:
> Lol 0 evidence of any election hacking - the whole mass media backed her but Hillary lost, Trump won!

How much are you getting paid to post russian twitter-bot type posts? If nothing then you're missing out...lol

Guypers

unread,
May 10, 2017, 12:58:30 PM5/10/17
to
Wendy's pays him $5 an hour, to match his talent!

*skriptis

unread,
May 10, 2017, 1:01:03 PM5/10/17
to
Patrick Kehoe <pke...@telus.net> Wrote in message:
Fair points I won't go into arguing, but just this.
The fact he's a billionaire doesn't mean he's disqualified from
being a people's man. Some billionaires love people much more
than some poor or middle class persons do.

Of course some billionaires are hyenas and dangerous because of
their wealth and power, but poorer people can be sick perverts
too.

*skriptis

unread,
May 10, 2017, 1:01:03 PM5/10/17
to
heyg...@gmail.com Wrote in message:
> On Wednesday, May 10, 2017 at 10:48:48 AM UTC-4, The Iceberg wrote:
>> Lol 0 evidence of any election hacking - the whole mass media backed her but Hillary lost, Trump won!
>
> How much are you getting paid to post russian twitter-bot type posts? If nothing then you're missing out...lol
>


You think Russians have that much money?
Pay Trump, pay Le Pen, pay brexiters, pay rst guys? Etc

Their economy is on pair with Italy I believe, which is not great,
considering they have 2.5 more population and vast country to
govern, so huge expenses.
Of course, immense devastation, many wars, demographic losses in
past 100 years are much to blame.

So, where does the money come from?


I think you're just a feeble minded individual who's swallowing
mass media shit in huge quantities since it's a comfort
zone?
You're letting them to influence your judgement, no?

Brian W Lawrence

unread,
May 10, 2017, 1:03:58 PM5/10/17
to
On 10/05/2017 15:54, The Iceberg wrote:

> Brian is a big Hillary fan, he would like there to be more than what actually happened.

Broken record :-)


---
This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
http://www.avg.com

Brian W Lawrence

unread,
May 10, 2017, 1:10:08 PM5/10/17
to
On 10/05/2017 15:48, The Iceberg wrote:

> Lol 100% evidence of any election hacking - the whole mass media backed her but Hillary lost, Trump won!

Fixed it for u :-)

I suppose you are aware that the US 'saw' Russia hacking the Macron
campaign? They immediately warned their French counterparts, and have
been liasing with German & British intelligence agencies regarding
potential Russian hacks during their elections.

Hillary lost you know, you need to move on.



---
This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
http://www.avg.com

calim...@gmx.de

unread,
May 10, 2017, 1:14:47 PM5/10/17
to
On Wednesday, May 10, 2017 at 2:31:45 PM UTC+2, PeteWasLucky wrote:
> This has nothing to do with D-Rats, this is all about Trump, Russia and Comey not kissing Trump's behind.

But didn't Comey cost your precious Hillary the presidency? Didn't almost all leading DemocRats say they lost trust in him?

Max

heyg...@gmail.com

unread,
May 10, 2017, 1:19:11 PM5/10/17
to
Yes, I let facts and information influence my judgment...you ought to try it sometime.

Brian W Lawrence

unread,
May 10, 2017, 1:25:59 PM5/10/17
to
On 10/05/2017 15:20, *skriptis wrote:

> Ok, but hasn't basically everyone been saying he's behaved
> unethically during the campaign.

Some may have said that, but Trump was praising him before the
election, maybe since too. Everyone is a DJT/WH false claim.

> Meaning, you'd have no problem Hilary firing him. Now that Trump
> does it's a problem?

The President can fire the FBI Director, but he needs to have a
pretty good reason. Saying 'he wasn't doing a good job' doesn't
satisfy people, including Republicans. And the timing raises even
more questions. Suddenly last week Comey asks the DoJ for more
funding to expand the Russian connection investigations. The WH
panics and asks the DoJ to come up with a reason to fire him. The
President is barely seen for two days, then Comey is 'terminated'.
Sessions' letter was partly cut n pasted from a Hillary memo too :-)

> Btw Trump is an entertainer, this is, another move of his to throw
> his opponents off balance. He's a step ahead of them all the
> time.

He is a clown, and it's probably deflecting attention from his other
failures too. He certainly makes us laugh at his ignorance and
ineptitude.

> Losers. :)

The Reps will be in ~18 months, Dems probably controlling the House, the
Senate, and several more state Governors.



---
This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
http://www.avg.com

heyg...@gmail.com

unread,
May 10, 2017, 1:50:55 PM5/10/17
to
Not to mention Sean Spicer caught hiding in the bushes from reporters too scared to say why Comey was fired...lol Totally makes it all look like it's on the up and up.

*skriptis

unread,
May 10, 2017, 2:01:03 PM5/10/17
to
I don't take seriously anyone who's moaning about "russiagate" and
I don't think such an individual is open minded and interested in
facts.

The fact is, we've seen no facts yet the hysteria endures.

So people who are repeating that nonsense are mostly people that
need a bogeyman and for some sad reason, Russia is a convenient
bogeyman. For both liberals in USA who are cultural Marxists,
gays, feminists etc and oppose conservative Putin's agenda and
also for neocons in charge who are sick on a different level and
aspire to world domination, trying to "contain" China, Russia,
pivot to Asia etc.

Open minded person would realize that both those two powerful
groups are very interested in not having cordial US-Russia
relations, thus trying to undermine Trump and deprive him of any
chance of improving those relations which he said he'd try to do.



I'm not to say that nothing happened. It might have happened, yes.
Maybe Putin bought Trump 5 years ago when Trump was a TV star in
the rang of Kardashians, knowing he'd become president.
Possible? Yeah, just as David lcke could be right about lizard
people.

But you know shit, just like I do, yet are so sure "Trump" is
guilty, whatever that means.

Yeah, open minded for facts.

Patrick Kehoe

unread,
May 10, 2017, 2:46:48 PM5/10/17
to
Yes, that's true about billionaires or anyone for that matter... however during his public life of some 40 years + DT has gone out of his way to present himself as literally gold plated, not of the common man/folk, his 'life style of the rich and famous disco dancing youth, his Vanity Fair celebrity excesses of the 1980's, his self-marketing egoism on a global scale symbolic of his father's 'your either a winner or a loser' dialectic of dominate, double down legally against opponents with kill-shot slander, etc. during the 1990's, inflating real estate and corporate entities only to either write them off, filing strategic bankruptcy against their liquidation, defaulting on promissory mission statements to do with business ventures and philanthropic endeavours while securing outrageous loans for other dealings, etc... not the kind of business acumen that speaks to the integrity of 'sharing the wealth' or promoting betterment via the expansive powers of capitalism... how he convinced economically disenfranchised and culturally disaffected mid-western voters he'd solve their generational financial woes, man, that still makes me scratch my head... their desperation was indeed staggering if they believed they had found a anti-establishment champion in Mr. Trump: the guy who was born into wealth and has never lived outside of its influence, power and insulating self-referencing... a man who in all likelihood has NEVER actually know a single working class/poor person, as a friend for any significant time, in his entire life... amazing...

P

Guypers

unread,
May 10, 2017, 3:02:09 PM5/10/17
to
What drives Trump today, and what has always driven him, are twin forces: self-aggrandizement and self-preservation. Most of his public actions can be understood as a reflection of one or both of those needs.

And Donald Trump firing James Comey was all about self-preservation.


Timothy L. O’Brien
Bloomberg

calim...@gmx.de

unread,
May 10, 2017, 3:45:08 PM5/10/17
to
But if President Hillary had fired Comey that would have been OK, right?

Lol ...


Max

soccerfan777

unread,
May 10, 2017, 3:51:09 PM5/10/17
to
No it wouldn't have been if she had ties with Russia and Comey was investigating it.

calim...@gmx.de

unread,
May 10, 2017, 4:04:55 PM5/10/17
to
Comey is an investigator ...?

Lol ...


Max

*skriptis

unread,
May 10, 2017, 4:30:03 PM5/10/17
to
soccerfan777 <zepf...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
>> > Timothy L. O?Brien
>> > Bloomberg
>>
>>
>>
>> But if President Hillary had fired Comey that would have been OK, right?
>
> No it wouldn't have been if she had ties with Russia and Comey was investigating it.
>



You have ties to Russia too jerking off to Sharapova. You should
be punished severely.

jdeluise

unread,
May 10, 2017, 6:26:56 PM5/10/17
to
On Wed, 10 May 2017 18:52:06 +0200, *skriptis wrote:

>
> So, where does the money come from?

Putin's secret bank accounts

*skriptis

unread,
May 10, 2017, 7:30:03 PM5/10/17
to
jdeluise <jdel...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
> On Wed, 10 May 2017 18:52:06 +0200, *skriptis wrote:
>
>>
>> So, where does the money come from?
>
> Putin's secret bank accounts
>


And you've seen those, got money from him or?

Brian W Lawrence

unread,
May 11, 2017, 1:30:50 PM5/11/17
to
On 10/05/2017 18:50, heyg...@gmail.com wrote:

> Not to mention Sean Spicer caught hiding in the bushes from reporters too scared to say why Comey
> was fired...lol Totally makes it all look like it's on the up and up.

Apparently WH insiders have suggested that Spicer may be replaced soon,
possibly by Sarah Huckabee Sanders. Spicer has been working in the
Pentagon over the last few days, as part of his Naval Reserve duties.
0 new messages