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anders t

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Aug 4, 2017, 7:26:48 PM8/4/17
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Quoting anders t in rec.sport.soccer:
>------------------------------------------------------------------
>ANNOUNCING: THE EPL 17/18 SOPHCON
>------------------------------------------------------------------
>DEADLINE AT KICK-OFF OF THE ABSOLUTELY FIRST MATCH
>------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>The drill is well-known by now.
>
>Download the spreadsheet to fill in here:
>http://www.allt2.se/b143990/sophcon/epl1718sophcon_.xlsx
>
>No single prediction can be less than 0.001.
>
>Send the entry (the filled-in spreadsheet with your moniker) here:
>------------------------------------------------------------------
> anthu_001[ *-*-*-*- ]hotmail.com
>------------------------------------------------------------------
>Replace [ *-*-*-*- ] with the at-symbol first. -
>
>Before you send in check that all the OKs are there.
>
>Good Luck!

Here it is!


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Manchester United FC - CHAMPIONS
Latest: England '13 (20th) Europa '17, UEFA '08, World '09

anders t

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Aug 4, 2017, 7:27:59 PM8/4/17
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Murat Bey

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Aug 5, 2017, 3:22:57 AM8/5/17
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On Saturday, August 5, 2017 at 2:26:48 AM UTC+3, anders t wrote:
> Quoting anders t in rec.sport.soccer:
> >------------------------------------------------------------------
> >ANNOUNCING: THE EPL 17/18 SOPHCON
> >------------------------------------------------------------------
> >DEADLINE AT KICK-OFF OF THE ABSOLUTELY FIRST MATCH
> >------------------------------------------------------------------

Rules are rules but wouldn't the day after the final day of transfer window be better? Say, Chelsea getting a couple of key transfers in deadline day, could affect their chances, for instance, or Manchester United or other teams.

anders t

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Aug 5, 2017, 3:49:03 AM8/5/17
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It's generally always been before the first match starts in all sophcons.
Anyways, doesn't it add a little twist to not see all the cards?

Murat Bey

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Aug 5, 2017, 3:50:46 AM8/5/17
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On Saturday, August 5, 2017 at 10:49:03 AM UTC+3, anders t wrote:
> Quoting Murat Bey in rec.sport.soccer:
> >On Saturday, August 5, 2017 at 2:26:48 AM UTC+3, anders t wrote:
> >> Quoting anders t in rec.sport.soccer:
> >> >------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >ANNOUNCING: THE EPL 17/18 SOPHCON
> >> >------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >DEADLINE AT KICK-OFF OF THE ABSOLUTELY FIRST MATCH
> >> >------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >Rules are rules but wouldn't the day after the final day of transfer window be better? Say, Chelsea getting a couple of key transfers in deadline day, could affect their chances, for instance, or Manchester United or other teams.
>
> It's generally always been before the first match starts in all sophcons.
> Anyways, doesn't it add a little twist to not see all the cards?

Sure, not a problem. Just that, say, if Coutinho leaves to Barcelona after next week, it would alter Liverpool's chances greatly in any tournament. But no problem, I'll send it in like this.

anders t

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Aug 5, 2017, 4:01:04 AM8/5/17
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Quoting anders t in rec.sport.soccer:
>------------------------------------------------------------------
>ANNOUNCING: THE EPL 17/18 SOPHCON
>------------------------------------------------------------------
>DEADLINE AT KICK-OFF OF THE ABSOLUTELY FIRST MATCH
>------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>The drill is well-known by now.
>
>Download the spreadsheet to fill in here:
>http://www.allt2.se/b143990/sophcon/epl1718sophcon_.xlsx
>
>No single prediction can be less than 0.001.
>
>Send the entry (the filled-in spreadsheet with your moniker) here:
>------------------------------------------------------------------
> anthu_001[ *-*-*-*- ]hotmail.com
>------------------------------------------------------------------
>Replace [ *-*-*-*- ] with the at-symbol first. -
>
>Before you send in check that all the OKs are there.
>
>Good Luck!

Btw, Of course, the maximum probability value is not .996 as the sheet
says. Since the lowest possible in any ant cell is .001, then no cell can
have a higher value than 1 - 19*0.001 = 0.981. I thought I'd fixed that.

Murat Bey

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Aug 5, 2017, 4:05:10 AM8/5/17
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Nvm. After looking at the sheet for a while, I realize that apparently any transfer could only change small fractions anyway.

anders t

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Aug 5, 2017, 4:03:14 PM8/5/17
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Confirming your entry - the first, thanks!

anders t

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Aug 6, 2017, 2:39:33 AM8/6/17
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Quoting anders t in rec.sport.soccer:
>------------------------------------------------------------------
>ANNOUNCING: THE EPL 17/18 SOPHCON
>------------------------------------------------------------------
>DEADLINE AT KICK-OFF OF THE ABSOLUTELY FIRST MATCH
>------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>The drill is well-known by now.
>
>Download the spreadsheet to fill in here:
>http://www.allt2.se/b143990/sophcon/epl1718sophcon_.xlsx
>
>No single prediction can be less than 0.001.
>
>Send the entry (the filled-in spreadsheet with your moniker) here:
>------------------------------------------------------------------
> anthu_001[ *-*-*-*- ]hotmail.com
>------------------------------------------------------------------
>Replace [ *-*-*-*- ] with the at-symbol first. -
>
>Before you send in check that all the OKs are there.
>
>Good Luck!

Confirmed entries (other than myself, of course):
Murat Bey (H)
Futbolmetrix (H)

anders t

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Aug 7, 2017, 4:41:47 AM8/7/17
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Don't forget! First match not that far away in time now!


Quoting anders t in rec.sport.soccer:
>------------------------------------------------------------------
>ANNOUNCING: THE EPL 17/18 SOPHCON
>------------------------------------------------------------------
>DEADLINE AT KICK-OFF OF THE ABSOLUTELY FIRST MATCH
>------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>The drill is well-known by now.
>
>Download the spreadsheet to fill in here:
>http://www.allt2.se/b143990/sophcon/epl1718sophcon_.xlsx
>
>No single prediction can be less than 0.001.
>
>Send the entry (the filled-in spreadsheet with your moniker) here:
>------------------------------------------------------------------
> anthu_001[ *-*-*-*- ]hotmail.com
>------------------------------------------------------------------
>Replace [ *-*-*-*- ] with the at-symbol first. -
>
>Before you send in check that all the OKs are there.
>
>Good Luck!

Futbolmetrix

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Aug 7, 2017, 11:33:47 AM8/7/17
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On 8/6/2017 2:39 AM, anders t wrote:
>
> Confirmed entries (other than myself, of course):
> Murat Bey (H)
> Futbolmetrix (H)

Club ELO entry:

Arsenal 0.118 0.263 0.133 0.287 0.196 0.003 1.000
Bournemouth 0.001 0.013 0.021 0.103 0.712 0.15 1.000
Brighton 0.001 0.005 0.003 0.03 0.595 0.366 1.000
Burnley 0.001 0.007 0.011 0.054 0.704 0.223 1.000
Chelsea 0.276 0.331 0.132 0.177 0.083 0.001 1.000
Crystal Palace 0.001 0.011 0.009 0.094 0.683 0.202 1.000
Everton 0.022 0.083 0.066 0.266 0.54 0.023 1.000
Huddersfield 0.001 0.001 0.001 0.005 0.235 0.757 1.000
Leicester 0.01 0.047 0.032 0.211 0.644 0.056 1.000
Liverpool 0.102 0.224 0.119 0.268 0.285 0.002 1.000
Man City 0.148 0.303 0.123 0.28 0.145 0.001 1.000
Man United 0.128 0.275 0.132 0.281 0.182 0.002 1.000
Newcastle 0.001 0.009 0.008 0.074 0.698 0.21 1.000
Southampton 0.003 0.029 0.023 0.164 0.7 0.081 1.000
Stoke 0.001 0.021 0.015 0.094 0.716 0.153 1.000
Swansea 0.002 0.013 0.007 0.093 0.711 0.174 1.000
Tottenham 0.177 0.338 0.124 0.247 0.113 0.001 1.000
Watford 0.001 0.001 0.005 0.06 0.619 0.314 1.000
West Bromwich 0.001 0.012 0.011 0.071 0.733 0.172 1.000
West Ham 0.005 0.014 0.025 0.141 0.706 0.109 1.000
SUM 1.000 2.000 1.000 3.000 10.000 3.000


TransferMarkt entry:


Arsenal 0.113 0.272 0.136 0.273 0.205 0.001 1.000
Bournemouth 0.001 0.002 0.001 0.026 0.729 0.241 1.000
Brighton 0.001 0.001 0.001 0.003 0.319 0.675 1.000
Burnley 0.001 0.002 0.004 0.022 0.652 0.319 1.000
Chelsea 0.154 0.308 0.141 0.26 0.136 0.001 1.000
Crystal Palace 0.003 0.012 0.013 0.113 0.773 0.086 1.000
Everton 0.02 0.061 0.053 0.254 0.601 0.011 1.000
Huddersfield 0.001 0.001 0.001 0.001 0.205 0.791 1.000
Leicester 0.013 0.04 0.04 0.213 0.662 0.032 1.000
Liverpool 0.066 0.185 0.107 0.323 0.317 0.002 1.000
Man City 0.263 0.366 0.122 0.182 0.066 0.001 1.000
Man United 0.131 0.29 0.129 0.267 0.182 0.001 1.000
Newcastle 0.001 0.001 0.003 0.052 0.738 0.205 1.000
Southampton 0.007 0.047 0.039 0.235 0.645 0.027 1.000
Stoke 0.002 0.011 0.011 0.092 0.789 0.095 1.000
Swansea 0.001 0.004 0.008 0.065 0.778 0.144 1.000
Tottenham 0.201 0.321 0.121 0.241 0.115 0.001 1.000
Watford 0.001 0.003 0.007 0.036 0.724 0.229 1.000
West Bromwich 0.001 0.008 0.012 0.071 0.781 0.127 1.000
West Ham 0.019 0.065 0.051 0.271 0.583 0.011 1.000
SUM 1.000 2.000 1.000 3.000 10.000 3.000






Futbolmetrix

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Aug 7, 2017, 12:39:41 PM8/7/17
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Betfair predictions:

Arsenal 0.07 0.282 0.141 0.359 0.146 0.002 1.000
Bournemouth 0.001 0.005 0.003 0.088 0.763 0.14 1.000
Brighton 0.001 0.001 0.001 0.03 0.564 0.403 1.000
Burnley 0.001 0.001 0.001 0.03 0.556 0.411 1.000
Chelsea 0.202 0.344 0.171 0.204 0.077 0.002 1.000
Crystal Palace 0.001 0.005 0.003 0.069 0.757 0.165 1.000
Everton 0.011 0.055 0.028 0.325 0.571 0.01 1.000
Huddersfield 0.001 0.001 0.001 0.023 0.411 0.563 1.000
Leicester 0.004 0.022 0.011 0.162 0.741 0.06 1.000
Liverpool 0.076 0.278 0.139 0.37 0.135 0.002 1.000
Man City 0.317 0.323 0.16 0.124 0.074 0.002 1.000
Man United 0.202 0.344 0.171 0.204 0.077 0.002 1.000
Newcastle 0.001 0.005 0.003 0.075 0.706 0.21 1.000
Southampton 0.004 0.025 0.012 0.184 0.736 0.039 1.000
Stoke 0.001 0.005 0.003 0.094 0.767 0.13 1.000
Swansea 0.001 0.002 0.001 0.042 0.675 0.279 1.000
Tottenham 0.101 0.279 0.14 0.371 0.107 0.002 1.000
Watford 0.001 0.001 0.001 0.034 0.617 0.346 1.000
West Bromwich 0.001 0.006 0.002 0.088 0.773 0.13 1.000
West Ham 0.003 0.016 0.008 0.124 0.747 0.102 1.000

anders t

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Aug 8, 2017, 1:32:02 AM8/8/17
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Jesus Petry (H)
Chagney Hunt (H)
Betfair (B) (FM)
ClubELO (B) (FM)
Transfermarkt (B) (FM)

anders t

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Aug 9, 2017, 3:47:44 AM8/9/17
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>Confirmed entries (other than myself, of course):
Murat Bey (H)
Futbolmetrix (H)
Jesus Petry (H)
Chagney Hunt (H)
Betfair (B) (FM)
ClubELO (B) (FM)
Transfermarkt (B) (FM)
Michael Hynes (H)

There's still time, but hurry! Deadline at kickoff of the first match!

anders t

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Aug 9, 2017, 3:57:46 PM8/9/17
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Confirmed entries so far (other than myself, of course):

-AGGIE-
Aggie

-BOTS-
Betfair (FM)
ClubELO (FM)
Transfermarkt (FM)

-HUMANS-
Anders T
Murat B
Futbolmetrix
Jesus P
Chagney H
Michael H
Werner P

MH

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Aug 9, 2017, 4:03:28 PM8/9/17
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On 2017-08-09 13:57, anders t wrote:
> Confirmed entries so far (other than myself, of course):
>
> -AGGIE-
> Aggie
>
> -BOTS-
> Betfair (FM)
> ClubELO (FM)
> Transfermarkt (FM)
>
> -HUMANS-
> Anders T
> Murat B
> Futbolmetrix
> Jesus P
> Chagney H
> Michael H
> Werner P
>
>
Come on Alkamista, Doc, and of course Jesper !

Futbolmetrix

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Aug 10, 2017, 12:57:16 PM8/10/17
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On 8/7/2017 12:39 PM, Futbolmetrix wrote:
> On 8/7/2017 11:33 AM, Futbolmetrix wrote:
>> On 8/6/2017 2:39 AM, anders t wrote:
>>>
>>> Confirmed entries (other than myself, of course):
>>> Murat Bey (H)
>>> Futbolmetrix (H)
>>
>> Club ELO entry:


FiveThirtyEight has just published its predicted probabilities.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/soccer-predictions/premier-league/

Will try to add their entry.


anders t

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Aug 10, 2017, 3:09:22 PM8/10/17
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Confirmed entries so far:

-AGGIE-
Aggie

-BOTS-
Betfair (FM)
ClubELO (FM)
Transfermarkt (FM)
FiveThirtyEight (FM)

alka...@hotmail.com

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Aug 10, 2017, 3:39:47 PM8/10/17
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On Thursday, August 10, 2017 at 3:09:22 PM UTC-4, anders t wrote:
> Confirmed entries so far:
>
> -AGGIE-
> Aggie
>
> -BOTS-
> Betfair (FM)
> ClubELO (FM)
> Transfermarkt (FM)
> FiveThirtyEight (FM)
>
> -HUMANS-
> Anders T
> Murat B
> Futbolmetrix
> Jesus P
> Chagney H
> Michael H
> Werner P

I'll try to get mine in!

What's an Aggie, btw?

Jesus Petry

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Aug 10, 2017, 4:25:21 PM8/10/17
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It's a nickname to "Agnostic", a robot dude that doesn't have a belief in any team's superiority and gives equal chances to all of them.

Tchau!
Jesus Petry

MH

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Aug 10, 2017, 4:39:15 PM8/10/17
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And occasionally, to our eternal shame, Aggie even wins these contests,
though that is for tournaments like the Euros or WC or CL, and would be
very unlikely for a league SPC, since the penalty for saying all of Man
Utd, Man City, Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea and Liverpool have a 15 % chance
of relegation would be very high.

>
> Tchau!
> Jesus Petry
>

anders t

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Aug 10, 2017, 4:45:26 PM8/10/17
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Confirmed entries so far:

-AGGIE-
Aggie

-BOTS-
Betfair (FM)
ClubELO (FM)
Transfermarkt (FM)
FiveThirtyEight (FM)

-HUMANS-
Anders T
Murat B
Futbolmetrix
Jesus P
Chagney H
Michael H
Werner P
Jesper L

alka...@hotmail.com

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Aug 11, 2017, 10:51:05 AM8/11/17
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On Thursday, August 10, 2017 at 4:45:26 PM UTC-4, anders t wrote:
> Confirmed entries so far:
>
> -AGGIE-
> Aggie
>
> -BOTS-
> Betfair (FM)
> ClubELO (FM)
> Transfermarkt (FM)
> FiveThirtyEight (FM)
>
> -HUMANS-
> Anders T
> Murat B
> Futbolmetrix
> Jesus P
> Chagney H
> Michael H
> Werner P
> Jesper L

I'm in too.

MH, if I get humiliated, this one's on you!

anders t

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Aug 11, 2017, 2:36:57 PM8/11/17
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Confirmed entries so far:

-AGGIE-
Aggie

-BOTS-
Betfair (FM)
ClubELO (FM)
Transfermarkt (FM)
FiveThirtyEight (FM)

-HUMANS-
Anders T
Murat B
Futbolmetrix
Jesus P
Chagney H
Michael H
Werner P
Jesper L
Alka Seltzer (or sumptin' :-) )


HURRY YOU OTHERS! NOT MUCH TIME NOW!
DEADLINE WHEN THE FIRST MATCH KICKS OFF!

anders t

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Aug 11, 2017, 2:47:52 PM8/11/17
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Quoting anders t in rec.sport.soccer:
>Confirmed entries so far:
>
>-AGGIE-
>Aggie
>
>-BOTS-
>Betfair (FM)
>ClubELO (FM)
>Transfermarkt (FM)
>FiveThirtyEight (FM)
>
>-HUMANS-
>Anders T
>Murat B
>Futbolmetrix
>Jesus P
>Chagney H
>Michael H
>Werner P
>Jesper L
>
>
>HURRY YOU OTHERS! NOT MUCH TIME NOW!
>DEADLINE WHEN THE FIRST MATCH KICKS OFF!


SORRY ALKAMISTA!

Your entry is not valid. All columns must add up to "OK". Not just the team
rows. You have some more work to do. But you'll get the hang on it.

For instance, the "1" column has 1 spot and must add up to 1. (And "OK"),
and for instance, the "5-7" column has three spots and must add up to 3.
(And "OK""), and so on.

anders t

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Aug 11, 2017, 2:59:57 PM8/11/17
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This JUST IN:

I will extend the deadline until tomorrow, at kick off between Watford and
Liverpool! No later...

This means that Alkamista and The Doctor will have a last chance to send in
correct entries.

It also means that all other contestants that already sent in MAY ALTER
their entries (send in updated ones by the above deadline) if they so wish.

I must admit that I DID NOT REALIZE until now that Arsenal - Leicester play
already today... *facepalm*.

anders t

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Aug 12, 2017, 5:30:27 AM8/12/17
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JUST TWO HOURS now to absolute deadline!

Right now 11:30 CEST
DEADLINE 13:30 CEST

anders t

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Aug 12, 2017, 6:47:58 AM8/12/17
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Less than 45 minutes left.

I have received no updates, no correction from Alkamista, and nothing from
The Doctor. Yet.

anders t

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Aug 12, 2017, 7:22:34 AM8/12/17
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My entry (so noone thinks of was cheating come May... :-) ).

.142 .195 .168 .393 .101 .001
.001 .001 .001 .001 .746 .250
.001 .001 .001 .001 .439 .557
.001 .001 .001 .001 .496 .500
.250 .548 .100 .100 .001 .001
.001 .001 .001 .001 .896 .100
.001 .001 .001 .296 .700 .001
.001 .001 .001 .001 .439 .557
.001 .001 .001 .346 .650 .001
.142 .195 .168 .443 .051 .001
.250 .548 .100 .100 .001 .001
.201 .400 .300 .097 .001 .001
.001 .001 .001 .127 .860 .010
.001 .001 .001 .196 .800 .001
.001 .001 .001 .001 .896 .100
.001 .001 .001 .001 .663 .333
.001 .100 .150 .747 .001 .001
.001 .001 .001 .001 .663 .333
.001 .001 .001 .001 .746 .250
.001 .001 .001 .146 .850 .001

anders t

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Aug 12, 2017, 7:30:21 AM8/12/17
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Confirmed entries FINAL!

-AGGIE-
Aggie

-BOTS-
Betfair (FM)
ClubELO (FM)
Transfermarkt (FM)
FiveThirtyEight (FM)

-HUMANS-
Anders T
Murat B
Futbolmetrix
Jesus P
Chagney H
Michael H
Werner P
Jesper L


alka...@hotmail.com

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Aug 12, 2017, 11:24:49 AM8/12/17
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Sorry, the evening got away from me yesterday.

anders t

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Aug 12, 2017, 4:50:22 PM8/12/17
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Quoting anders t in rec.sport.soccer:
>Confirmed entries FINAL!
>
>-AGGIE-
>Aggie
>
>-BOTS-
>Betfair (FM)
>ClubELO (FM)
>Transfermarkt (FM)
>FiveThirtyEight (FM)
>
>-HUMANS-
>Anders T
>Murat B
>Futbolmetrix
>Jesus P
>Chagney H
>Michael H
>Werner P
>Jesper L

AVERAGE HUMANS
0,252 0,428 0,147 0,144 0,021 0,009 Man City
0,212 0,367 0,176 0,209 0,020 0,017 Man United
0,210 0,408 0,143 0,215 0,017 0,007 Chelsea
0,118 0,266 0,165 0,386 0,046 0,019 Liverpool
0,088 0,210 0,169 0,456 0,066 0,010 Arsenal
0,080 0,239 0,134 0,462 0,062 0,023 Tottenham
0,014 0,045 0,028 0,391 0,504 0,018 Everton
0,005 0,012 0,014 0,162 0,730 0,077 Leicester
0,003 0,002 0,002 0,041 0,776 0,176 Crystal Palace
0,003 0,003 0,003 0,118 0,795 0,078 West Ham
0,002 0,004 0,004 0,148 0,753 0,090 Southampton
0,002 0,003 0,002 0,067 0,783 0,144 Stoke
0,002 0,002 0,002 0,073 0,768 0,154 Newcastle
0,002 0,002 0,002 0,039 0,676 0,280 Swansea
0,002 0,002 0,002 0,033 0,741 0,221 West Bromwich
0,002 0,002 0,002 0,023 0,725 0,247 Bournemouth
0,002 0,002 0,002 0,016 0,742 0,237 Watford
0,002 0,002 0,002 0,005 0,670 0,321 Burnley
0,002 0,002 0,002 0,005 0,571 0,419 Brighton
0,002 0,002 0,002 0,005 0,535 0,455 Huddersfield

AVERAGE BOTS
0,251 0,324 0,139 0,170 0,116 0,001 Man City
0,209 0,323 0,150 0,183 0,134 0,001 Chelsea
0,161 0,303 0,146 0,219 0,169 0,002 Man United
0,153 0,306 0,132 0,261 0,148 0,001 Tottenham
0,101 0,264 0,132 0,297 0,205 0,002 Arsenal
0,081 0,228 0,119 0,287 0,283 0,002 Liverpool
0,016 0,068 0,046 0,264 0,584 0,024 Everton
0,007 0,032 0,025 0,193 0,655 0,088 West Ham
0,007 0,036 0,025 0,188 0,681 0,065 Leicester
0,004 0,037 0,024 0,202 0,677 0,057 Southampton
0,002 0,014 0,010 0,101 0,724 0,151 Crystal Palace
0,001 0,018 0,011 0,120 0,726 0,125 Stoke
0,001 0,010 0,007 0,091 0,698 0,195 Swansea
0,001 0,010 0,009 0,081 0,725 0,176 Bournemouth
0,001 0,010 0,008 0,098 0,724 0,160 West Bromwich
0,001 0,009 0,007 0,058 0,652 0,273 Burnley
0,001 0,005 0,005 0,067 0,633 0,290 Watford
0,001 0,004 0,004 0,074 0,679 0,239 Newcastle
0,001 0,002 0,002 0,030 0,487 0,479 Brighton
0,001 0,001 0,001 0,020 0,306 0,671 Huddersfield

anders t

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Aug 13, 2017, 1:00:16 PM8/13/17
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STANDINGS AFTER ROUND 1 :-)
(splits 0,5/0,5)

FTHE_B -27,91884709
AGGI_E -28,91082645
JEPE_H -30,16278358
CELO_B -30,38302033
BETF_B -30,69115024
TRAM_B -33,41715700
MUBE_H -34,79370276
CHHU_H -36,17942646
FUTB_H -39,53637902
WEPI_H -42,33944932
MIHY_H -43,63870027
JELA_H -45,61776289
ANTH_H -48,34819592

Jesper Lauridsen

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Aug 15, 2017, 5:21:14 PM8/15/17
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On 2017-08-13, anders t <anthu_001@-nospam-hotmail.com> wrote:
> STANDINGS AFTER ROUND 1 :-)
> (splits 0,5/0,5)
>
> JELA_H -45,61776289
> ANTH_H -48,34819592

Bwahahaha!

Looks like I need Huddersfield to survive to be competitive.

anders t

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Aug 21, 2017, 1:40:25 PM8/21/17
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Standings after ALMOST two rounds (before Man C - Everton)

AGGI_E -28,91082645
FTHE_B -35,47946194
CELO_B -36,98379991
TRAM_B -38,56874433
JEPE_H -38,90501844
BETF_B -39,74603147
MUBE_H -42,31330381
CHHU_H -44,62308465
MIHY_H -48,83528567
FUTB_H -51,91365068
JELA_H -52,05132841
WEPI_H -54,58307099
ANTH_H -55,43108810

:-)

anders t

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Quoting anders t in rec.sport.soccer:
>Standings after ALMOST two rounds (before Man C - Everton)
>
>AGGI_E -28,91082645
>FTHE_B -35,47946194
>CELO_B -36,98379991
>TRAM_B -38,56874433
>JEPE_H -38,90501844
>BETF_B -39,74603147
>MUBE_H -42,31330381
>CHHU_H -44,62308465
>MIHY_H -48,83528567
>FUTB_H -51,91365068
>JELA_H -52,05132841
>WEPI_H -54,58307099
>ANTH_H -55,43108810
>
>:-)

Right now at 0-1 (Man C - Everton) (53:30)

AGGI_E -28,91082645
FTHE_B -34,55812934
CELO_B -37,18777627
BETF_B -39,96281392
TRAM_B -40,10076698
JEPE_H -41,22211359
MUBE_H -41,99825929
CHHU_H -49,83477952
MIHY_H -56,54504254
WEPI_H -58,7127827
FUTB_H -59,00302515
JELA_H -59,25515051
ANTH_H -66,58733862

:-)))

anders t

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Aug 21, 2017, 4:14:26 PM8/21/17
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IMPORTANT!
The [R] is implied in all posts in this thread!

anders t

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STANDINGS AFTER TWO ROUNDS
AGGI_E -28,91082645
FTHE_B -35,47946194
CELO_B -36,98379991
TRAM_B -38,56874433
JEPE_H -38,90501844
BETF_B -39,74603147
MUBE_H -42,31330381
CHHU_H -44,62308465
MIHY_H -48,83528567
FUTB_H -51,91365068
JELA_H -52,05132841
WEPI_H -54,58307099
ANTH_H -55,43108810

Humans don't rock! (Except for Jesus.)

Werner Pichler

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On Monday, 21 August 2017 22:57:12 UTC+2, anders t wrote:
> STANDINGS AFTER TWO ROUNDS
> AGGI_E -28,91082645
> FTHE_B -35,47946194
> CELO_B -36,98379991
> TRAM_B -38,56874433
> JEPE_H -38,90501844
> BETF_B -39,74603147
> MUBE_H -42,31330381
> CHHU_H -44,62308465
> MIHY_H -48,83528567
> FUTB_H -51,91365068
> JELA_H -52,05132841
> WEPI_H -54,58307099
> ANTH_H -55,43108810
>
> Humans don't rock! (Except for Jesus.)
>

If Huddersfield win the league I can live with Aggie thrashing us!

Ciao,
Werner

MH

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Aug 22, 2017, 7:10:41 AM8/22/17
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Hull also won their first two games last year !

anders t

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Aug 27, 2017, 1:36:12 PM8/27/17
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STANDINGS AFTER ROUND 3

AGGI_E -28,91082645
FTHE_B -30,46750299
JEPE_H -31,87080576
BETF_B -32,56397223
CELO_B -32,58605772
CHHU_H -33,33509055
MUBE_H -34,08689874
TRAM_B -35,90388619
FUTB_H -40,62419037
WEPI_H -42,20524371
MIHY_H -44,57617359
JELA_H -45,17219432
ANTH_H -51,57132156

Is JP a pure genius, or just a coward?

anders t

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Sep 11, 2017, 5:11:57 PM9/11/17
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Standings after Round 4

FTHE_B -27,92639190
AGGI_E -28,91082645
JEPE_H -30,67794070
CELO_B -31,14449421
BETF_B -31,95544015
TRAM_B -35,98616062
MUBE_H -38,66032023
CHHU_H -39,08877389
FUTB_H -39,44766517
ANTH_H -42,48607043
JELA_H -44,07500299
WEPI_H -45,12235589
MIHY_H -45,91295802

It is a bit interesting that all bots is beating all humans
except for J Daneel Petry.

anders t

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Sep 17, 2017, 12:56:04 PM9/17/17
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Standing after 5 rounds

AGGI_E -28,91082645
FTHE_B -30,54069921
CELO_B -32,05830182
JEPE_H -32,30873207
BETF_B -32,78847411
MUBE_H -34,15060423
TRAM_B -36,65091651
FUTB_H -42,48240028
ANTH_H -42,60039918
CHHU_H -43,15933785
JELA_H -46,83765572
WEPI_H -48,54893677
MIHY_H -48,61415704

anders t

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Sep 25, 2017, 4:56:02 PM9/25/17
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Standings with just 32 rounds to go.

JEPE_H -19,46256760
WEPI_H -20,55504027
CHHU_H -20,85897910
BETF_B -21,17940195
FTHE_B -21,68898012
FUTB_H -21,89083092
CELO_B -22,56266676
JELA_H -22,65324714
MIHY_H -24,40795042
TRAM_B -25,55612947
MUBE_H -25,91841233
ANTH_H -28,37664648
AGGI_E -28,91082645

Who's your daddy now, Aggie? Huh? Huh?

Werner Pichler

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On Monday, 25 September 2017 22:56:02 UTC+2, anders t wrote:
> Standings with just 32 rounds to go.
>
> JEPE_H -19,46256760
> WEPI_H -20,55504027
> CHHU_H -20,85897910
> BETF_B -21,17940195
> FTHE_B -21,68898012
> FUTB_H -21,89083092
> CELO_B -22,56266676
> JELA_H -22,65324714
> MIHY_H -24,40795042
> TRAM_B -25,55612947
> MUBE_H -25,91841233
> ANTH_H -28,37664648
> AGGI_E -28,91082645
>
> Who's your daddy now, Aggie? Huh? Huh?


Man City, Man United, Chelsea, Tottenham, Liverpool, (Watford), Arsenal

No surprises is good for us.


Ciao,
Werner

anders t

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Standings with 31 rounds to go:

FUTB_H -19,27857147
JEPE_H -19,96465954
BETF_B -20,10228164
WEPI_H -20,13368337
FTHE_B -21,72243778
CELO_B -22,25260225
JELA_H -22,53221700
MUBE_H -23,28140989
TRAM_B -23,46616975
CHHU_H -23,53415067
MIHY_H -23,56671384
ANTH_H -24,13641377
AGGI_E -28,91082645

Futbolmetrix

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On 10/1/2017 2:37 PM, anders t wrote:
> Standings with 31 rounds to go:
>
> FUTB_H -19,27857147
> JEPE_H -19,96465954
> BETF_B -20,10228164
> WEPI_H -20,13368337
> FTHE_B -21,72243778
> CELO_B -22,25260225
> JELA_H -22,53221700
> MUBE_H -23,28140989
> TRAM_B -23,46616975
> CHHU_H -23,53415067
> MIHY_H -23,56671384
> ANTH_H -24,13641377
> AGGI_E -28,91082645
>

Ha! Take that, you bots!



anders t

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Oct 16, 2017, 4:56:24 PM10/16/17
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AFTER 8 ROUNDS

FTHE_B -26,62187279
CELO_B -27,75114951
JEPE_H -28,69576857
TRAM_B -28,85449623
-------------------
AGGI_E -28,91082645
-------------------
BETF_B -28,98907761
MUBE_H -29,97123468
CHHU_H -31,49505322
FUTB_H -31,64112747
WEPI_H -32,09906341
JELA_H -35,01062724
MIHY_H -36,69920555
ANTH_H -38,58327276 <--- Who is that loser?

anders t

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Nov 21, 2017, 12:59:59 PM11/21/17
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STANDINGS AFTER 12 ROUNDS

JEPE_H -19,70124209
BETF_B -20,38834966
FUTB_H -21,36160311
FTHE_B -21,8350569
WEPI_H -22,33738474
CELO_B -22,64687487
JELA_H -23,02869887
MIHY_H -23,5612899
CHHU_H -23,96016461
TRAM_B -26,52389555
MUBE_H -26,89764697
ANTH_H -27,68181523























AGGI_E -28,91082645 U SUX!

anders t

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Dec 18, 2017, 4:50:16 PM12/18/17
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STANDINGS AFTER 18 ROUNDS

JEPE_H -19,32478437
FUTB_H -19,49205613
BETF_B -19,87356125
JELA_H -20,21086414
FTHE_B -20,67404840
WEPI_H -21,77455952
MIHY_H -21,97047600
CELO_B -22,33389987
CHHU_H -22,92593396
MUBE_H -23,50543098
ANTH_H -23,65559653
TRAM_B -23,87081089
AGGI_E -28,91082645

anders t

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Sorry long overdue...

After 27 rounds

JEPE_H -19,76983004
FUTB_H -22,46469577
BETF_B -22,49600438
FTHE_B -22,58394996
MUBE_H -23,09551152
WEPI_H -23,57058078
CHHU_H -23,64347260
CELO_B -23,71183848
MIHY_H -24,62271940
JELA_H -24,67315653
TRAM_B -26,42707960
AGGI_E -28,91082645
ANTH_H -28,94206821 (Yikes!)


Burnley hurts most of us, but Southampton is killing me.
IF Hudds and S'ton swap places:
BETF_B -19,24364949
FUTB_H -19,49736298
JEPE_H -19,60431560
FTHE_B -20,10334175
CELO_B -20,38542956
WEPI_H -20,63920687
CHHU_H -21,62454543
TRAM_B -21,90337816
ANTH_H -22,01939066
MUBE_H -22,36599669
MIHY_H -22,45512875
JELA_H -22,70559963

Futbolmetrix

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On 2/17/2018 7:41 AM, anders t wrote:
> Sorry long overdue...
>
> After 27 rounds
>
> JEPE_H -19,76983004
> FUTB_H -22,46469577

That's a pretty solid lead for Jesus.

Jesper Lauridsen

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On 2018-02-17, anders t <anthu_001@-nospam-hotmail.com> wrote:
> Sorry long overdue...
>
> After 27 rounds
>
> JEPE_H -19,76983004
> FUTB_H -22,46469577
> BETF_B -22,49600438
> FTHE_B -22,58394996
> MUBE_H -23,09551152
> WEPI_H -23,57058078
> CHHU_H -23,64347260
> CELO_B -23,71183848
> MIHY_H -24,62271940
> JELA_H -24,67315653
> TRAM_B -26,42707960
> AGGI_E -28,91082645
> ANTH_H -28,94206821 (Yikes!)
>
>
> Burnley hurts most of us, but Southampton is killing me.
> IF Hudds and S'ton swap places:

No deal!

Futbolmetrix

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On 2/17/2018 7:41 AM, anders t wrote:
> Sorry long overdue...
>
> After 27 rounds
>
> JEPE_H -19,76983004
> FUTB_H -22,46469577
> BETF_B -22,49600438
> FTHE_B -22,58394996
> MUBE_H -23,09551152
> WEPI_H -23,57058078
> CHHU_H -23,64347260
> CELO_B -23,71183848
> MIHY_H -24,62271940
> JELA_H -24,67315653
> TRAM_B -26,42707960
> AGGI_E -28,91082645
> ANTH_H -28,94206821 (Yikes!)

With Southampton's win over Swansea today, almost everything is decided.
Any updates?

anders t

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May 9, 2018, 4:23:29 AM5/9/18
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Your wish is not my command, but I'll oblige anyway. :-)

Current standings after May 8:

JEPE_H -20,71706121
BETF_B -21,23994001
FUTB_H -21,88451754
WEPI_H -22,08368113
FTHE_B -22,57033782
MUBE_H -22,77146180
CHHU_H -22,90933607
CELO_B -23,35858339
MIHY_H -23,43907117
ANTH_H -24,55151888
JELA_H -24,77728561
TRAM_B -25,01766402

MH

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May 9, 2018, 12:14:30 PM5/9/18
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Well Soton, Huddersfield and Swansea can all still be relegated, can't
they ?

Huddersfield away to Chelsea. That should be a loss, given that Chelsea
still have lot to play for. Leaving things at

Soton 36 (-18)
Huddersfield 36 (minus 30 at least)
Swansea 33 (minus 27)

Then we have

Huddersfield - Arsenal (toss up ?)
Southampton - Man City (City ought to win, but Southampton really only
need to keep the score down)
Swansea - Stoke (How much pride do Stoke have ? )

Not sure how much effect relegating Swansea or Huddersfield instead of
Southampton would have on this Sophcon, though. I certainly had
Huddersfield at much higher odds to go down than Southampton , and at
higher than Swansea. My three most likely relegation candidates were, in
order, Huddersfield, Brighton and Swansea.



> Any updates?
>

Futbolmetrix

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On 5/9/2018 12:14 PM, MH wrote:
>
> Well Soton, Huddersfield and Swansea can all still be relegated, can't
> they ?

Yes, I hadn't noticed Huddersfield touch calendar ahead. Still, I
wouldn't put it beyond them to snatch a point against Chelsea. They
played a spirited match against City on the weekend.


> Not sure how much effect relegating Swansea or Huddersfield instead of
> Southampton would have on this Sophcon, though. I certainly had
> Huddersfield at much higher odds to go down than Southampton , and at
> higher than Swansea. My three most likely relegation candidates were, in
> order, Huddersfield, Brighton and Swansea.


I'm pretty sure my prospects would look bleak if Southampton drops, but
at this point it's almost impossible.

Third place race between Spurs and Liverpool could also mess up things.





MH

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May 9, 2018, 3:37:23 PM5/9/18
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Well Chelsea could also finish 4th or 3rd, both of which would improve
my score, I think.

5 changes for Chelsea tonight - no Hazard, Giroud, Moses, Bakayoko, or
Cahill. In their place Morata, Willian, Pedro, Zapacosta, and
Christiansen. They definitely have better depth than Liverpool or Spurs.

Still 0-0 at half time, though.

>
>
>
>
>

Futbolmetrix

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May 9, 2018, 3:57:05 PM5/9/18
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On 5/9/2018 3:37 PM, MH wrote:
>
> Still 0-0 at half time, though.

And now 1-0 to Huddersfield. Spurs should get their act together if they
want third place. Man City up 2-1, but no goals from my triple captain
Gabriel Jesus, compromising any hopes I had of making a big run in the
Fantasy game.

Elsewhere, Coppa Italia final:

HT: Juventus - Milan 0-0

Juve with more of the possession, but Milan with the better chances so
far. Pjanic is sooo slow


Futbolmetrix

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May 9, 2018, 4:19:23 PM5/9/18
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Benatia, off a corner kick

Futbolmetrix

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May 9, 2018, 4:24:49 PM5/9/18
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Douglas Costa, 2-0. Donnarumma not perfect on that shot, milivella will
have a field day. I guess I'll just have to live with that.


MH

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May 9, 2018, 4:27:31 PM5/9/18
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ALonso scores an accidental goal to equalize, still 1-1 in the 85th
minute. Spurs up 1-0, City up 2-1.

Futbolmetrix

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May 9, 2018, 4:28:25 PM5/9/18
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Another Donnarumma blunder (wet ball and all that), and Benatia smashes
it in from close range. Now milivella will have a *real* field day, and
I'll have to *really* learn how to live with that

Futbolmetrix

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May 9, 2018, 4:39:42 PM5/9/18
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A Kalinic own goal (yet another vicious Pjanic corner kick) makes it 4-0.



Futbolmetrix

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May 9, 2018, 4:41:15 PM5/9/18
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FT at SB. Huddersfield is safe.

Futbolmetrix

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May 9, 2018, 4:42:54 PM5/9/18
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Buffon shows Donnarrumma how it's done, with two good saves from
Locatelli and Borini.

MH

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May 9, 2018, 4:47:03 PM5/9/18
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And Swansea needs a miracle (10 goal swing in the last match, given that
Southampton have scored a lot more).

Chelsea's CL chances hanging by a thread. They really need one of
Liverpool or Spurs to lose their last game, now, given how far behind
they are on GD. Unless Newcastle gets a late equalizer.....

anders t

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May 9, 2018, 4:57:08 PM5/9/18
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Standings after May 9:

JEPE_H -20,75224072
BETF_B -21,24351784
WEPI_H -21,63996337
FUTB_H -22,05305696
FTHE_B -22,56421006
MUBE_H -22,80536335
CHHU_H -22,90933607
CELO_B -22,98834162
MIHY_H -23,20449892
TRAM_B -24,58954044
JELA_H -24,77728561
ANTH_H -25,10601956

MH

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May 9, 2018, 4:57:32 PM5/9/18
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On 2018-05-09 14:41, Futbolmetrix wrote:
First time since 2011-2012 that all 3 promoted teams stay up.

anders t

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May 9, 2018, 4:57:57 PM5/9/18
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You guys know you're in the Sophcon thread, right?

MH

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May 9, 2018, 5:58:42 PM5/9/18
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I was just thinking that last time I posted. Apologies. I guess we WERE
discussing all this in the context of the final table for the sophcon,
but got carried away.

MH

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May 9, 2018, 6:00:15 PM5/9/18
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To get back on topic, is there a way of establishing what the collective
consciousness was that all three promoted teams would stay up ? That at
least one would go down ? That all three would go down ?

anders t

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May 10, 2018, 2:49:09 AM5/10/18
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Sophcons engage!

Futbolmetrix

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May 10, 2018, 11:17:12 AM5/10/18
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On 5/9/2018 6:00 PM, MH wrote:

> To get back on topic, is there a way of establishing what the collective
> consciousness was that all three promoted teams would stay up ?  That at
> least one would go down ?  That all three would go down ?

I don't think it makes sense to ask that questions of Collective
Consciousness, but I can give you the answer for some of my BOT simulations:

Number of newly promoted teams safe from relegation:

ClubELO TransferMarkt
0 3.23% 5.76%
1 38.91% 55.94%
2 50.32% 35.29%
3 7.54% 3.01%


So, unlikely, but much less than Leicester's title win in 2016!




anders t

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May 11, 2018, 4:18:36 AM5/11/18
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The same after 37 full rounds (after May 10).

Hmm...
- If Tottenham 3 then Liverpool 4 or 5 and Chelsea 4 or 5.
- If Tottenham 4 then Liverpool 3 and Chelsea 5.
So (together with Sou/Swa) 6 possible outcomes, right?

anders t

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May 11, 2018, 5:43:19 AM5/11/18
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JEPE in aall cases.

Me, well I just hope that Swansea won't make it...

T-L-C-SO-SW
JEPE_H -20,75224072
BETF_B -21,24351784
WEPI_H -21,63996337
FUTB_H -22,05305696
FTHE_B -22,56421006
MUBE_H -22,80536335
CHHU_H -22,90933607
CELO_B -22,98834162
MIHY_H -23,20449892
TRAM_B -24,58954044
JELA_H -24,77728561
ANTH_H -25,10601956
AGGI_E -28,91082645

T-L-C-SW-SO
JEPE_H -20,67908066
MUBE_H -22,90626952
BETF_B -23,29768540
WEPI_H -23,31857431
FTHE_B -23,37748557
CELO_B -23,73735567
CHHU_H -23,86661615
FUTB_H -23,94425033
MIHY_H -25,00477623
TRAM_B -26,07604066
JELA_H -26,33217794
AGGI_E -28,91082645
ANTH_H -31,10199879

T-C-L-SO-SW
JEPE_H -20,18146728
BETF_B -20,44094520
FUTB_H -20,55706368
WEPI_H -21,06909042
FTHE_B -21,52353289
CELO_B -22,46982595
CHHU_H -22,68619252
MIHY_H -23,26404290
MUBE_H -23,31618898
TRAM_B -24,09663869
ANTH_H -24,13641377
JELA_H -24,56872405
AGGI_E -28,91082645

T-C-L-SW-SO
JEPE_H -20,10830722
FTHE_B -22,33680839
FUTB_H -22,44825705
BETF_B -22,49511276
WEPI_H -22,74770137
CELO_B -23,21884000
MUBE_H -23,41709514
CHHU_H -23,64347260
MIHY_H -25,06432021
TRAM_B -25,58313891
JELA_H -26,12361639
AGGI_E -28,91082645
ANTH_H -30,13239300

L-T-C-SO-SW
JEPE_H -20,71706121
BETF_B -21,23994001
FUTB_H -21,88451754
WEPI_H -22,08368113
FTHE_B -22,57033782
MUBE_H -22,77146180
CHHU_H -22,90933607
CELO_B -23,35858339
MIHY_H -23,43907117
ANTH_H -24,55151888
JELA_H -24,77728561
TRAM_B -25,01766402
AGGI_E -28,91082645

L-T-C-SW-SO
JEPE_H -20,64390116
MUBE_H -22,87236797
BETF_B -23,29410758
FTHE_B -23,38361333
WEPI_H -23,76229208
FUTB_H -23,77571091
CHHU_H -23,86661615
CELO_B -24,10759744
MIHY_H -25,23934848
JELA_H -26,33217794
TRAM_B -26,50416425
AGGI_E -28,91082645
ANTH_H -30,54749810

Jesper Lauridsen

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May 13, 2018, 12:19:09 AM5/13/18
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On Wed, 9 May 2018 14:47:01 -0600, MH <MHno...@ucalgary.ca> wrote:
> Chelsea's CL chances hanging by a thread. They really need one of
> Liverpool or Spurs to lose their last game, now, given how far
behind
> they are on GD

Chelsea can't catch Tottenham, so their hopes all lie with Liverpool
losing at home.

anders t

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May 14, 2018, 3:17:13 PM5/14/18
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Quoting anders t in rec.sport.soccer:
>T-L-C-SO-SW
>JEPE_H -20,75224072
>BETF_B -21,24351784
>WEPI_H -21,63996337
>FUTB_H -22,05305696
>FTHE_B -22,56421006
>MUBE_H -22,80536335
>CHHU_H -22,90933607
>CELO_B -22,98834162
>MIHY_H -23,20449892
>TRAM_B -24,58954044
>JELA_H -24,77728561
>ANTH_H -25,10601956
>AGGI_E -28,91082645

Well, this it. Go on, congratulate Jesus, already!

You can also cheer for me. I beat Aggie, after all.

Jesper Lauridsen

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May 16, 2018, 5:17:51 AM5/16/18
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On Monday, 14 May 2018 21:17:13 UTC+2, anders t wrote:
> Quoting anders t in rec.sport.soccer:
> >JELA_H -24,77728561

My worst performers:
Brighton -6,9077552790
Stoke -2,9957322736
Tottenham -2,3025850930
Chelsea -1,7837912996

Worst of the broad 8-17 group:
Brighton -0,4684049079
Watford -0,4369557752

anders t

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May 16, 2018, 6:02:52 AM5/16/18
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BURNL -6,9077552790
CHELS -2,3025850930
STOKE -2,3025850930
TOTTE -2,3025850930
LIVER -1,7837912996
MACIT -1,3862943611
WESTB -1,3862943611
SWANS -1,0996127890
ARSEN -0,9339456671
MAUNI -0,9162907319
BRIGH -0,8232558659
HUDDE -0,8232558659
LEICE -0,4307829161
WATFO -0,4109802888
EVERT -0,3566749439
BOURN -0,2930296788
SOUTH -0,2231435513
WESTH -0,1625189295
NEWCA -0,1508228897
CRYPA -0,1098148660
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