Who builds the best single?
Christian Hepfer
What is the best single made? Is it a Fillipi, Empacher, Van Dusen,
Hudson or Vespoli. There are probably as many opinions as there are boat
singles. Just wondering what some peoples personal experiences are.
Empachers deffinatly cost a lot but are they really the fastest?
Marc Jansen
Vespoli singles are trash, better of with a Van Dusen or an Empacher.
Empachers last forever! So if longevity is your aim then that's your brand.
Marc Jansen
Indianapolis Rowing Center
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If money is no object then pick up an Empacher. Otherwise a Hudson is
probably your best bet. For the money they are a strong, stiff and fast
hull (Empacher copy). I have owned two so far (needed a smaller boat to
row lightweight) and both have been excellent. If you put a Hudson beside
an Empacher there is little difference. However, you will notice a
difference in the detail to which they are finished. The Empahcer is
built like a watch -very precise. I have had to do some tweaking to the
Hudson's rig initially, but once that was done it has been a great boat.
Should you choose the Hudson, I would also recommend that you opt for the
backstays. (with the wing-rigger) This will stiffen the rig
significantly; which is especially important for starts.
Dave Pinner
Winnipeg Rowing Club
John J. Corelli
Hey Marc,
This also addresses my current issues in pursuing a (my first)
single. I stopped by the Van Dusen boat shop last month and got some
helpful info from Peter Billings in searching for a decent used Van
Dusen. I've actually seen a few for sale. I've not come across any
used Empachers yet. Could this be because so many of them are kept in
Europe to avoid the stiff tarrifs to bring them into the US? I
understand when the National Teams go over there to race the European
circuit, they use the fleet of boats kept over there.
What's the opinion on Stampfli?
John
Manon Belzile
> Christian Hepfer <Hep...@basf.com> wrote in article
> <326C09...@basf.com>...
> > What is the best single made? Is it a Fillipi, Empacher, Van Dusen,
> > Hudson or Vespoli. There are probably as many opinions as there are boat
> > singles. Just wondering what some peoples personal experiences are.
> > Empachers deffinatly cost a lot but are they really the fastest?
> >
WM rules! (at least that's what Xeno Mueller had when he won gold)
Very stiff and responsive boats - I love mine! WM stands for World in
Motion and the boats are made in France and other places around the
world... you can get them in Boston.
Manon Bezile
Montreal Rowing Club
CARTER
Hudson's marketing literature states they supplied boats for the
following (96 Olympics):
Women's Double Gold
Women's Single Silver
Lightweight Men's Four Silver
Women's Quad Bronze
Women's Pair Fifth
Roger Carter
ska...@sprintmail.com
Jim Dwyer
Hudson is the best buy in North America.
Prepreg carbon fibre hull
Aluminum wing rigger
Good seat and footstops
Very adjustable and easy to rig (once you bend the riggers to the height
you need)
Very light and stiff and fast
--
Jim Dwyer
London, Ontario
Canada
John J. Corelli
CARTER wrote:
>
> Manon Belzile wrote:
> >
> > > Christian Hepfer <Hep...@basf.com> wrote in article
> > > <326C09...@basf.com>...
> > > > What is the best single made? Is it a Fillipi, Empacher, Van Dusen,
> > > > Hudson or Vespoli. There are probably as many opinions as there are boat
> > > > singles. Just wondering what some peoples personal experiences are.
> > > > Empachers deffinatly cost a lot but are they really the fastest?
> > > >
> >
> > WM rules! (at least that's what Xeno Mueller had when he won gold)
> >
> > Very stiff and responsive boats - I love mine! WM stands for World in
> > Motion and the boats are made in France and other places around the
> > world... you can get them in Boston.
> >
> > Manon Bezile
> > Montreal Rowing Club
>
> Hudson's marketing literature states they supplied boats for the
> following (96 Olympics):
> Women's Double Gold
> Women's Single Silver
> Lightweight Men's Four Silver
> Women's Quad Bronze
> Women's Pair Fifth
>
> Roger Carter
> ska...@sprintmail.com
Does anybody know anything about Dirigo's (by Schoendbrod). Their
literature CLAIMS they're faster than Empacher and more stable than Van
Dusen. With only a 10 1/2 inch beam I would think Dirigos were even
more tippy. Any comments? Any Dirigo owners with experience (good/bad)?
John Corelli
Melbourne, FL
John Martin
>
> Does anybody know anything about Dirigo's (by Schoendbrod). Their
> literature CLAIMS they're faster than Empacher and more stable than Van
> Dusen. With only a 10 1/2 inch beam I would think Dirigos were even
> more tippy. Any comments? Any Dirigo owners with experience (good/bad)?
>
> John Corelli
> Melbourne, FL
Charles builds a really fantastic single. It's very (very) fast due to
an underwater shape a lot like a Van Dusen. It is pretty narrow
(therefore fast) with vertical gunwales, so when it starts to get
"unset", there's nothing except your feet and ass to bring it back. So
it's not for beginners. But if you can really relax your upper body on
the recovery, and go at a pretty high rating, you won't believe how fast
you go.
The boat is incredibly durable, simple to set up for an acceptable fit
and rig (it uses Karl Douglas pins and riggers so pitch can be set
EXACTLY). One word of caution: heavyweight really means heavyweight. No
one under 200 pounds belongs in a Dirigo heavyweight 1X. I weigh about
180 and a midweight works really well. But Charles will help direct you.
Frankly, half of what's cool about the Dirigo is Mr. Dibble hisownself.
He simply will not (knowingly) let a less than good boat out. He's
incredibly honest and easy to deal with.
So that's all I know.
John Martin
Dallas Tx
C. Michael Smith
>Hudson's marketing literature states they supplied boats for the
>following (96 Olympics):
> Women's Double Gold
> Women's Single Silver
> Lightweight Men's Four Silver
> Women's Quad Bronze
> Women's Pair Fifth
What they don't mention is that, these boats were probably specially made
and are more expensive that their normal models.
Normal Hudsons are pretty good boats though.
Just a thought.
Mike
--
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Georgia Tech |all about; living fast, dying
gt4...@prism.gatech.edu |young and leaving a good looking
|corpse." -True Romance
Kieran Anthony Coghlan
> >Hudson's marketing literature states they supplied boats for the
> >following (96 Olympics):
> > Women's Double Gold
> > Women's Single Silver
> > Lightweight Men's Four Silver
> > Women's Quad Bronze
> > Women's Pair Fifth
Question: wasn't the Ltwt Men's Four Silver a Vespoli, as per the Vespo ad
on the back of the last Am. Rowing? I can't remember exactly, but it
was a picture of the US ltwt 4-, and it was a Vespo ad. Maybe they won a
different medal, but I thought it was silver...
Just curious-
Kieran Coghlan
UC Irvine alumnus.
R. Hughes
The lightweight Men's four from the U.S. won the Bronze, but it was in a
Vespoli.
Bobby Hughes
Oliver Rando
On Tue, 19 Nov 1996, Kieran Anthony Coghlan wrote:
>
> > >Hudson's marketing literature states they supplied boats for the
> > >following (96 Olympics):
> > > Women's Double Gold
> > > Women's Single Silver
> > > Lightweight Men's Four Silver
> > > Women's Quad Bronze
> > > Women's Pair Fifth
>
> Question: wasn't the Ltwt Men's Four Silver a Vespoli, as per the Vespo ad
> on the back of the last Am. Rowing? I can't remember exactly, but it
> was a picture of the US ltwt 4-, and it was a Vespo ad. Maybe they won a
> different medal, but I thought it was silver...
>
> Just curious-
>
> Kieran Coghlan
> UC Irvine alumnus.
US got the bronze ... the above are all Canadian boats.
-Ollie
John J. Corelli
Kieran Anthony Coghlan wrote:
>
> > >Hudson's marketing literature states they supplied boats for the
> > >following (96 Olympics):
> > > Women's Double Gold
> > > Women's Single Silver
> > > Lightweight Men's Four Silver
> > > Women's Quad Bronze
> > > Women's Pair Fifth
>
> Question: wasn't the Ltwt Men's Four Silver a Vespoli, as per the Vespo ad
> on the back of the last Am. Rowing? I can't remember exactly, but it
> was a picture of the US ltwt 4-, and it was a Vespo ad. Maybe they won a
> different medal, but I thought it was silver...
>
> Just curious-
>
> Kieran Coghlan
> UC Irvine alumnus.
Kieran,
The US Men's Ltwt 4- DID win a medal in a Vespo - Bronze. The
Canadian's won the Silver with Denmark taking the Gold.
John Corelli
Melbourne, FL
Norman K. Yee
On Tue, 19 Nov 1996 08:46:51 -0800, kcog...@maemaster.eng.uci.edu wrote:
: Question: wasn't the Ltwt Men's Four Silver a Vespoli, as per the Vespo ad
: on the back of the last Am. Rowing? I can't remember exactly, but it
: was a picture of the US ltwt 4-, and it was a Vespo ad. Maybe they won a
: different medal, but I thought it was silver...
The US MLW4- won a bronze, and yep it was a Vespoli.
Norm
: Just curious-
alex sherman
I believe they are refering to Canadian teams as much as we like to
think everyone here is talking about American boats..
Kieran Anthony Coghlan (kcog...@maemaster.eng.uci.edu) wrote:
: > >Hudson's marketing literature states they supplied boats for the
: > >following (96 Olympics):
: > > Women's Double Gold
: > > Women's Single Silver
: > > Lightweight Men's Four Silver
: > > Women's Quad Bronze
: > > Women's Pair Fifth
: Question: wasn't the Ltwt Men's Four Silver a Vespoli, as per the Vespo ad
: on the back of the last Am. Rowing? I can't remember exactly, but it
: was a picture of the US ltwt 4-, and it was a Vespo ad. Maybe they won a
: different medal, but I thought it was silver...
: Just curious-
Anjum Chagpay
> >Hudson's marketing literature states they supplied boats for the
> >following (96 Olympics):
> > Women's Double Gold
> > Women's Single Silver
> > Lightweight Men's Four Silver
> > Women's Quad Bronze
> > Women's Pair Fifth
> Question: wasn't the Ltwt Men's Four Silver a Vespoli, as per the Vespo ad
> on the back of the last Am. Rowing? I can't remember exactly, but it
> was a picture of the US ltwt 4-, and it was a Vespo ad. Maybe they won a
> different medal, but I thought it was silver...
Hudson is a Canadian company, and thusly was boasting nationalistic
about Canadian placings at the Olympic, one of which was the silver
medal lightweight 4- of Peaker, Hasset, Boyes and Lay. The US did
not medal in this event.
/Anjum
John J. Corelli
Anjum,
The US Mens Lightweight 4- that I saw, won a BRONZE medal. It
was the HEAVY Mens 4- that we did not place in (we got 11th).
John
Hannes Henrik Hofer
In article
<Pine.OSF.3.95.961119...@maemaster.eng.uci.edu>, Kieran
Anthony Coghlan <kcog...@maemaster.eng.uci.edu> wrote:
>> >Hudson's marketing literature states they supplied boats for the
>> >following (96 Olympics):
>> > Women's Double Gold
>> > Women's Single Silver
>> > Lightweight Men's Four Silver
>> > Women's Quad Bronze
>> > Women's Pair Fifth
>
>Question: wasn't the Ltwt Men's Four Silver a Vespoli, as per the Vespo ad
>on the back of the last Am. Rowing? I can't remember exactly, but it
>was a picture of the US ltwt 4-, and it was a Vespo ad. Maybe they won a
>different medal, but I thought it was silver...
Canada won silver in a Hudson, US took bronze in a Vespo. The gold was won
by Denmark in an Empacher.
Hannes
bowman
On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, Anjum Chagpay wrote:
>
>
> > >Hudson's marketing literature states they supplied boats for the
> > >following (96 Olympics):
> > > Women's Double Gold
> > > Women's Single Silver
> > > Lightweight Men's Four Silver
> > > Women's Quad Bronze
> > > Women's Pair Fifth
>
> > Question: wasn't the Ltwt Men's Four Silver a Vespoli, as per the Vespo ad
> > on the back of the last Am. Rowing? I can't remember exactly, but it
> > was a picture of the US ltwt 4-, and it was a Vespo ad. Maybe they won a
> > different medal, but I thought it was silver...
>
> Hudson is a Canadian company, and thusly was boasting nationalistic
> about Canadian placings at the Olympic, one of which was the silver
> medal lightweight 4- of Peaker, Hasset, Boyes and Lay. The US did
> not medal in this event.
>
> /Anjum
>
>
For your information, the US did in fact medal in the men's lightweight 4-
they won the bronze, just ahead of Ireland who took fourth. Sorry to
burst your bubble--but I'm sure Bill Carlucci, Dave Collins, Marc
Schneider, and Jeff Pfaentner would not appreciate the slight. Again,
congrats to them!!!
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Jared Richman
Box#1676, Union College
Schenectady, NY 12308
rich...@idol.union.edu
sfar...@aol.com
I have a lightweight Dirigo and absolutely love it. My only complaint
was--and I believe they have rectified this--is that I once hit a
submerged log in our tidal river. It dislodged the skeg. In order to fix
it, I had to have a boat repair expert cut a hole in the deck to reach it.
He did and then actually created a special port hole (with cover) directly
above the skeg (on the deck) which means I now have access to the skeg
from the inside of the boat if necessary.
Besides that, the boat is great. It is tippier than some, but if you're a
good sculler, balance shouldn't be a problem.
Good luck.
Simpson & Associates
Advantage...
> Good luck.
rosen david
On Tue, 26 Nov 1996, Simpson & Associates wrote:
> If you're a good sculler, you're probably in an Empacher, Filippi or an
> Advantage...
>
If you're good and _wealthy_, I suppose.... ;)
Dave Rosen
UMBC Crew, Baltimore
Forrest Sanders
Simpson & Associates wrote:
>
> If you're a good sculler, you're probably in an Empacher, Filippi or an
> Advantage...
Wow, someone needs to tell the Canadians this!!! :^o
I'll do it.
Dear Canadians:
Stop using Hudsons!!! You must use Empachers, Fillippi's and Van Dusens only.
It has been proven through grossly over funded government research that only
these boats can be used by good sculler.
Furthermore, continued use of these home built shell may cause a cash surplus
in your economy, which will eventually lead to instability and possible blindness.
Thank you for your time. ;^)
I hope they listen in time for Oly 2000.
Phanton Rower
And on the eighth day, the Lord created Empachers. They
stiff and fast and He saw that they were good.
On the ninth day, the Lord, being particularly tired from a
tough week, slipped a bit and created Hudsons, Dirigos
and Vespolis. He reviled in the presence of His shortcomings,
but figured what the hell.....they can use 'em for high school
and college races.
---Genesis Chapter 1X
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The US Ltwt 4- won a bronze rowing a Vespoli
Robert Dauncey
In article <1996112623332...@hotmail.com>, Phanton Rower
<phanto...@hotmail.com> writes
not move themselves! I believe that the best athlete will win regardless
of the boat they are in.
--
Robert Dauncey
e-mail rob...@hawalius.demon.co.uk
Andrew Edgar
The Can Men's Ltwt 4- won a silver rowing a Hudson
Michael English
does anyone have any information about the effects (positive or
negative) of creatine on rowers (also how it works), or could you point
me in the right direction to an existing source of info...
thanks
-michael