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Bob Brown

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Mar 14, 2008, 3:19:15 PM3/14/08
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I calculated Tiger Woods handicap. Anybody want to guess what would be, not
counting the Target World Challenge since I can't find the scores on their
web site (probably because of my piece of crap Windows XP operating system,
next PC will be an Apple)?

Hint:

Some of the course ratings are as high as 76.5 with a slope of 141. He shot
63 on that one for an differential of -10.8 (BMW Champ Bellerieve CC, St.
Louis, MO).


Darrell Jefress

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Mar 14, 2008, 3:35:11 PM3/14/08
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"Bob Brown" <bobe...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
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You'll want to recalculate that one - the '07 BMW Champ was played at Cog
Hill. The '08 event will be played at Bellerieve.

Either way, I'm betting TW is scratch.

DJJ


dsc-ky

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Mar 14, 2008, 4:23:57 PM3/14/08
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On Mar 14, 3:35 pm, "Darrell Jefress" <eve...@tokyo.com> wrote:
> "Bob Brown" <bobebr...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message

I'd have to believe he is way better than scratch...

newellsatwsu

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Mar 14, 2008, 5:13:26 PM3/14/08
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On Mar 14, 1:23 pm, dsc-ky <Dudley.Corn...@eku.edu> wrote:
> > Either way, I'm betting TW is scratch.
>
> I'd have to believe he is way better than scratch...

I'll bet he doesn't have to worry much about ESC adjustments
either. :-) How many triples+ did Tiger have last year?

Tom Yost

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Mar 14, 2008, 5:41:18 PM3/14/08
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We have to guess?

+7

Bob Brown

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Mar 14, 2008, 11:14:47 PM3/14/08
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You are correct about the BMW. When I looked at the PGA schedule, I did not
now or notice that there was a venue change. I'll change it.

I'll post his actual index tomorrow.


Bob Brown

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Mar 15, 2008, 2:15:23 PM3/15/08
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Tigers USGA GHIN Index would be +8.2 calculated as follows, through the 2nd
round of the Bay Hill Invitational:

Tournament Course Date Score Course Rating Slope Diff
BMW Championship Cog Hill Golf and Country Club, Drubsdread Course
9/7/2007 63 75.4 142 -9.9
The Tour Championship East Lake Golf Club, Atlanta, GA 9/26/2007 63
74.9 139 -9.7
Buick Invitational Torrey Pines (South Course) 1/26/2008 66 78.1
143 -9.6
The Tour Championship East Lake Golf Club, Atlanta, GA 9/27/2007 64
74.9 139 -8.9
The Tour Championship East Lake Golf Club, Atlanta, GA 9/25/2007 64
74.9 139 -8.9
Buick Invitational Torrey Pines (South Course) 1/24/2008 67 78.1
143 -8.8
BMW Championship Cog Hill Golf and Country Club, Drubsdread Course
9/6/2007 65 75.4 142 -8.3
Dubai Desert Classic Emirates GC 2/3/2008 65 74 135 -7.5
Dubai Desert Classic Emirates GC 1/31/2008 65 74 135 -7.5
The Tour Championship East Lake Golf Club, Atlanta, GA 9/28/2007 66
74.9 139 -7.2
Buick Invitational Torrey Pines (North Course) 1/25/2008 65 73.2
130 -7.1
BMW Championship Cog Hill Golf and Country Club, Drubsdread Course
9/5/2007 67 75.4 142 -6.7
BMW Championship Cog Hill Golf and Country Club, Drubsdread Course
9/4/2007 67 75.4 142 -6.7
Buick Invitational Torrey Pines (South Course) 1/27/2008 71 78.1
143 -5.6
Deutsche Bank Championship TPC Boston · Norton, Mass 9/1/2007 67 73.4
140 -5.2
Deutsche Bank Championship TPC Boston · Norton, Mass 8/31/2007 67 73.4
140 -5.2
Bay Hill Invitational Bay Hill Club 3/14/2008 68 74.1 136 -5.1
Bay Hill Invitational Bay Hill Club 3/13/2008 70 74.1 136 -3.4
Dubai Desert Classic Emirates GC 2/1/2008 71 74 135 -2.5
Dubai Desert Classic Emirates GC 2/2/2008 73 74 135 -0.8


Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS

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Mar 15, 2008, 3:53:08 PM3/15/08
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On Mar 14, 2:23 pm, dsc-ky <Dudley.Corn...@eku.edu> wrote:

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> I'd have to believe he is way better than scratch...- Hide quoted text -
>

Everyone on tour is better than scratch, you idiot. Most pros are
around 4 strokes better, tiggy probably around 8.

jeffc

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Mar 16, 2008, 2:31:06 PM3/16/08
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"Bob Brown" <bobe...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
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>I calculated Tiger Woods handicap. Anybody want to guess what would be

I'd guess around +8?


jeffc

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Mar 16, 2008, 2:31:31 PM3/16/08
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"dsc-ky" <Dudley....@eku.edu> wrote in message
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>
> Either way, I'm betting TW is scratch.

>I'd have to believe he is way better than scratch...

I think that was a joke.


jeffc

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Mar 16, 2008, 2:34:40 PM3/16/08
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"Bob Brown" <bobe...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Tigers USGA GHIN Index would be +8.2

Just want to make 2 comments. I guessed +8 because I remember years ago
reading that Curtis Strange at his prime (back to back US Opens) was playing
at about +6. Tiger has to be better.

+8 is just silly good. Things get tough at this level. As your handicap
drops, it gets tougher and tougher. For example, the drop from 20 to 10 is
way easier than the drop from 5 to scratch. The drop from scratch to +2 is
crazy hard. So while +8 might not seem outrageously better than +6, it is.


Howard Brazee

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Mar 16, 2008, 6:58:03 PM3/16/08
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In article <47dd6832$0$6508$4c36...@roadrunner.com>,
"jeffc" <no...@none.com> wrote:

> Just want to make 2 comments. I guessed +8 because I remember years ago
> reading that Curtis Strange at his prime (back to back US Opens) was playing
> at about +6. Tiger has to be better.
>
> +8 is just silly good. Things get tough at this level. As your handicap
> drops, it gets tougher and tougher. For example, the drop from 20 to 10 is
> way easier than the drop from 5 to scratch. The drop from scratch to +2 is
> crazy hard. So while +8 might not seem outrageously better than +6, it is.

It probably varies - but looking at the top 10 of his last 20 rounds, I
will guess +9.

dsc-ky

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Mar 16, 2008, 10:05:20 PM3/16/08
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On Mar 15, 3:53 pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"

No $H!+... I know that. :)

jeffc

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Mar 17, 2008, 11:20:25 PM3/17/08
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"Howard Brazee" <how...@brazee.net> wrote in message
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> It probably varies - but looking at the top 10 of his last 20 rounds, I
> will guess +9.

No fair - you put more work into this than I did :-)


Bobby Knight

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Mar 19, 2008, 10:26:52 AM3/19/08
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On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 09:19:15 -1000, "Bob Brown"
<bobe...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:

Here's a twenty game stretch in '06-'07 that's pretty interesting.

Used | Date | Score | CR/Slope | Diff. | Tournament
—- —- —– ——– —– ———-
* | 01/28/07 | 66 | 78.1/143 | -9.6 | Buick Invitational
* | 01/27/07 | 69 | 78.1/143 | -7.2 | Buick Invitational
| 01/26/07 | 72 | 78.1/143 | -4.8 | Buick Invitational
| 01/25/07 | 66 | 78.1/143 | -6.3 | Buick Invitational
* | 09/04/06 | 63 | 74.8/143 | -9.3 | Deutsche Bank
| 09/03/06 | 67 | 74.8/143 | -6.2 | Deutsche Bank
| 09/02/06 | 72 | 74.8/143 | -2.2 | Deutsche Bank
| 09/01/06 | 66 | 74.8/143 | -7.0 | Deutsche Bank
| 08/27/06 | 68 | 75.1/128 | -6.3 | WGC - Bridgestone Inv.
| 08/26/06 | 71 | 75.1/128 | -3.6 | WGC - Bridgestone Inv.
* | 08/25/06 | 64 | 75.1/128 | -9.8 | WGC - Bridgestone Inv.
* | 08/24/06 | 67 | 75.1/128 | -7.2 | WGC - Bridgestone Inv.
* | 08/20/06 | 68 | 78.1/151 | -7.6 | PGA Championship
* | 08/19/06 | 65 | 78.1/151 | -9.8 | PGA Championship
* | 08/18/06 | 68 | 78.1/151 | -7.6 | PGA Championship
| 08/17/06 | 69 | 78.1/151 | -6.8 | PGA Championship
* | 08/06/06 | 66 | 74.3/133 | -7.1 | Buick Open
* | 08/05/06 | 66 | 74.3/133 | -7.1 | Buick Open
| 08/04/06 | 66 | 74.3/133 | -7.1 | Buick Open
| 08/03/06 | 66 | 74.3/133 | -7.1 | Buick Open
—- ——– —– ——– —– ———-
Average Differential: -7.0
Best 10 Average Differential: -8.2
Handicap Index: +8.5Now, take a deep breath and read that again. +8.5.
Tiger’s worst ten differentials average out to -5.7.

Something like 10% of golfers ever reach single digit handicaps.
Tiger’s not only done that (while still in the womb, no doubt), but
he’s blown through the single digits on the other side of scratch and
is in heretofore unexplored territory at +8.5. That may be the single
best handicap index ever!


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JohnO

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Mar 19, 2008, 11:01:31 AM3/19/08
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On Mar 19, 2:26 pm, Bobby Knight <bkni...@conramp.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 09:19:15 -1000, "Bob Brown"
>
> <bobebr...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
> >I calculated Tiger Woods handicap. Anybody want to guess what would be, not
> >counting the Target World Challenge since I can't find the scores on their
> >web site (probably because of my piece of crap Windows XP operating system,
> >next PC will be an Apple)?
>
> >Hint:
>
> >Some of the course ratings are as high as 76.5 with a slope of 141. He shot
> >63 on that one for an differential of -10.8 (BMW Champ Bellerieve CC, St.
> >Louis, MO).
>
> Here's a twenty game stretch in '06-'07 that's pretty interesting.
>
> Used | Date | Score | CR/Slope | Diff. | Tournament
> --- --- --- ----- --- -------

> * | 01/28/07 | 66 | 78.1/143 | -9.6 | Buick Invitational
> * | 01/27/07 | 69 | 78.1/143 | -7.2 | Buick Invitational
> | 01/26/07 | 72 | 78.1/143 | -4.8 | Buick Invitational
> | 01/25/07 | 66 | 78.1/143 | -6.3 | Buick Invitational
> * | 09/04/06 | 63 | 74.8/143 | -9.3 | Deutsche Bank
> | 09/03/06 | 67 | 74.8/143 | -6.2 | Deutsche Bank
> | 09/02/06 | 72 | 74.8/143 | -2.2 | Deutsche Bank
> | 09/01/06 | 66 | 74.8/143 | -7.0 | Deutsche Bank
> | 08/27/06 | 68 | 75.1/128 | -6.3 | WGC - Bridgestone Inv.
> | 08/26/06 | 71 | 75.1/128 | -3.6 | WGC - Bridgestone Inv.
> * | 08/25/06 | 64 | 75.1/128 | -9.8 | WGC - Bridgestone Inv.
> * | 08/24/06 | 67 | 75.1/128 | -7.2 | WGC - Bridgestone Inv.
> * | 08/20/06 | 68 | 78.1/151 | -7.6 | PGA Championship
> * | 08/19/06 | 65 | 78.1/151 | -9.8 | PGA Championship
> * | 08/18/06 | 68 | 78.1/151 | -7.6 | PGA Championship
> | 08/17/06 | 69 | 78.1/151 | -6.8 | PGA Championship
> * | 08/06/06 | 66 | 74.3/133 | -7.1 | Buick Open
> * | 08/05/06 | 66 | 74.3/133 | -7.1 | Buick Open
> | 08/04/06 | 66 | 74.3/133 | -7.1 | Buick Open
> | 08/03/06 | 66 | 74.3/133 | -7.1 | Buick Open
> --- ----- --- ----- --- -------

> Average Differential: -7.0
> Best 10 Average Differential: -8.2
> Handicap Index: +8.5Now, take a deep breath and read that again. +8.5.
> Tiger's worst ten differentials average out to -5.7.
>
> Something like 10% of golfers ever reach single digit handicaps.
> Tiger's not only done that (while still in the womb, no doubt), but
> he's blown through the single digits on the other side of scratch and
> is in heretofore unexplored territory at +8.5. That may be the single
> best handicap index ever!
>

I suspect Dear Leader Kim Il Sung has a better index, but the DPRK GA
doesn't have a web site so I cannot verify that.

Miss Anne Thrope

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Mar 20, 2008, 8:32:50 AM3/20/08
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Tiger's handicap is his personality.

Howard Brazee

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Mar 20, 2008, 4:13:03 PM3/20/08
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On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 08:32:50 -0400, High_C...@webtv.net (Miss Anne
Thrope) wrote:

>Tiger's handicap is his personality.

It's worked for him.

He takes his job in the public as seriously as he takes his golf game.
He answers the same questions with the same answers every week, and
doesn't stray. At one time the media attention bothered him, now
it's just a job.

Apparently he has a small circle of close friends that he lets down
his hair with, but we won't see it.

Bob Lambeau

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Mar 20, 2008, 7:58:48 PM3/20/08
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Golf Digest did this a few years ago as I remember it they calculated it
(at the time) to be a +12 can't remember the issue it was in but it was
a number of years ago

rich

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Mar 22, 2008, 4:53:05 AM3/22/08
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"Bobby Knight" <bkn...@conramp.net> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 09:19:15 -1000, "Bob Brown"
> <bobe...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>I calculated Tiger Woods handicap. Anybody want to guess what would be,
>>not
>>counting the Target World Challenge since I can't find the scores on their
>>web site (probably because of my piece of crap Windows XP operating
>>system,
>>next PC will be an Apple)?
>>
>>Hint:
>>
>>Some of the course ratings are as high as 76.5 with a slope of 141. He
>>shot
>>63 on that one for an differential of -10.8 (BMW Champ Bellerieve CC, St.
>>Louis, MO).
>>
> Here's a twenty game stretch in '06-'07 that's pretty interesting.
>
> Used | Date | Score | CR/Slope | Diff. | Tournament
> -- -- -- --- -- ----

> * | 01/28/07 | 66 | 78.1/143 | -9.6 | Buick Invitational
> * | 01/27/07 | 69 | 78.1/143 | -7.2 | Buick Invitational
> | 01/26/07 | 72 | 78.1/143 | -4.8 | Buick Invitational
> | 01/25/07 | 66 | 78.1/143 | -6.3 | Buick Invitational
> * | 09/04/06 | 63 | 74.8/143 | -9.3 | Deutsche Bank
> | 09/03/06 | 67 | 74.8/143 | -6.2 | Deutsche Bank
> | 09/02/06 | 72 | 74.8/143 | -2.2 | Deutsche Bank
> | 09/01/06 | 66 | 74.8/143 | -7.0 | Deutsche Bank
> | 08/27/06 | 68 | 75.1/128 | -6.3 | WGC - Bridgestone Inv.
> | 08/26/06 | 71 | 75.1/128 | -3.6 | WGC - Bridgestone Inv.
> * | 08/25/06 | 64 | 75.1/128 | -9.8 | WGC - Bridgestone Inv.
> * | 08/24/06 | 67 | 75.1/128 | -7.2 | WGC - Bridgestone Inv.
> * | 08/20/06 | 68 | 78.1/151 | -7.6 | PGA Championship
> * | 08/19/06 | 65 | 78.1/151 | -9.8 | PGA Championship
> * | 08/18/06 | 68 | 78.1/151 | -7.6 | PGA Championship
> | 08/17/06 | 69 | 78.1/151 | -6.8 | PGA Championship
> * | 08/06/06 | 66 | 74.3/133 | -7.1 | Buick Open
> * | 08/05/06 | 66 | 74.3/133 | -7.1 | Buick Open
> | 08/04/06 | 66 | 74.3/133 | -7.1 | Buick Open
> | 08/03/06 | 66 | 74.3/133 | -7.1 | Buick Open

Something doesn't make sense to me here. If all of these courses had slopes
of 113 then the differential would be the difference between the score and
the course rating (the slope adjustment would be 113/113). But because the
slopes are higher (i.e., the course is more difficult) the differentials go
down (really up, but you know what I mean). Doesn't that artificially
reduce a plus handicap?

I would have thought that since slope relates to the difficulty of the
course for the bogey golfer that in computing plus handicaps you wouldn't
make the slope adjustment, i.e., just use the raw differentials.


Howard Brazee

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On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:26:52 GMT, Bobby Knight <bkn...@conramp.net>
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> * | 08/20/06 | 68 | 78.1/151 | -7.6 | PGA Championship
> * | 08/19/06 | 65 | 78.1/151 | -9.8 | PGA Championship
> * | 08/18/06 | 68 | 78.1/151 | -7.6 | PGA Championship
> | 08/17/06 | 69 | 78.1/151 | -6.8 | PGA Championship


How did they determine slope of the PGA Championship? Or any of the
courses set up for Tour play?

At least the U.S. Open wasn't in his last 20 rounds!

Howard Brazee

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On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:07:28 -0700, "AKA gray asphalt"
<benv...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> I suspect Dear Leader Kim Il Sung has a better index, but the DPRK GA
>> doesn't have a web site so I cannot verify that.
>

>When you lie, you should be sure that someone can't see it as
>a lie so easily that it is embarrassing. Didn't the Dear Leader
>shoot in the 50s with 3 holes in one? Was it his first time?

I wonder if his story was meant to be believed, or meant to show how
he controls everybody to say what he wants.

Kenn Smith

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Mar 28, 2008, 11:05:47 PM3/28/08
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According to Gary McCord Tiger's Isleworth handiap it +13.5. He made
that statement several times during the broadcast of the Tavistock Cup.

Ben

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Mar 29, 2008, 12:21:29 PM3/29/08
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On Mar 22, 9:19 am, Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:26:52 GMT, Bobby Knight <bkni...@conramp.net>

> wrote:
>
> >  *  | 08/20/06 |   68  | 78.1/151 |  -7.6 | PGA Championship
> >  *  | 08/19/06 |   65  | 78.1/151 |  -9.8 | PGA Championship
> >  *  | 08/18/06 |   68  | 78.1/151 |  -7.6 | PGA Championship
> >     | 08/17/06 |   69  | 78.1/151 |  -6.8 | PGA Championship
>
> How did they determine slope of the PGA Championship?  Or any of the
> courses set up for Tour play?  
>
> At least the U.S. Open wasn't in his last 20 rounds!

In all likelihood, it wouldn't have any affect on his index if it
was. Best ten of the last 20. Also, I'm not sure where people are
getting the slope/ratings for these courses, but if they are the
everyday published ones, we all know that when the TOUR rolls into
town, a course pretty much becomes two to three strokes more difficult
in the way it is setup by the committee. Just as a for instance, I've
walked on the greens at Pebble during TOUR play and during everyday
play - it's night and day.

prest...@gmail.com

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+6.3
http://score18.com/index2.php?p=tiger already did the calc

la...@pivotforpower.com

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And of course US Open courses are notoriously difficult. They grow the rough several inches higher than "normal," when the slope rating is set. They might put the championship tees further back, they may even add trees and traps in strategic locations. So it is really not a fair "apples to apples" comparison.

Larry

BAR

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In article <8ab0d050-d977-42b2...@googlegroups.com>, prest...@gmail.com
says...
A neighbor of mine is a +0.2, he has been as low as +2 within the last couple of years.

Don Kirkman

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Maybe you can add that to your upper class qualifications.
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