Racism is not dead

[Jim Brown]

...at least in small rural towns. I'll preface this by saying Iowa
has always been pretty progressive when it comes to race. We sent far
more than our share to fight in the Civil War. We hired leaders in
racial integration at both Iowa and Iowa State(football). We led the
way to nominate and elect America's first Black POTUS. (I realize
we've also had our share of strife)

Anyways...Went into the local town tonight for Karaoke(I'm a master
singer...and I ain't bad at baiting either). Pretty slim crowd, which
was unusual. Just a few of us took turns singing. Meanwhile there
was this interracial couple trying to find something they could sing
together. The did so for most of two hours. They finally picked a
song(Lean on Me) and went outside to smoke (iowa law), waiting for
their turn. When the DJ called their name, I stepped outside to tell
them(I've never met them before). They reentered the bar in front of
me and I proceeded to follow them towards the front. Then I hear, out
of the corner of my ear, a friend of my buddy say something about
'coon', but I couldnt be sure. I sat and stewed about it but heard no
more.

So this couple starts singing and this other piece of trash that had
just come in with two buddies starts hooping and hollering over top of
their singing. I said nothing the first time, but when it continued,
I was certain it was racially motivated. I then told him to STFU in
no uncertain terms. So now he and his buddies are in my face. My
buddy has my back but really didn't know what was going down. We go
outside....losers, my buddy, my buddy's buddy.

Piece of trash asked me what my problem is. I tell him. His buddies
are telling him to kick the n------ lovers ass. He probably could
have. My buddy doesn't back away, but his "coon" buddy steps aside,
not willing to back us for probably obvious reasons. This close to
getting into it and the biracial couple comes out, realizing whats
going on. The guy comes over facing me and tells me to drop it. Not
worth the hassle. Thanks me and heads towards their car.

Losers head back into the bar and I'm still pissed. I imagine I'll
run into the fuckers next time I'm over there.

[Con Reeder, unhyphenated American]

I am surprised at this in Iowa. I wouldn't be so surprised at it
here in Southeastern Indiana, though to be honest I haven't seen
anything like despite multiple trips to karaoke.

What is sad is that since the election of Obama, we seem to have
regressed not progressed.

--
Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in
overalls and looks like work. -- Thomas Edison

[Antonio Veranos]

On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 01:27:46 -0700 (PDT), Jim Brown wrote...

> The guy comes over facing me and tells me to drop it. Not
> worth the hassle.

Guy was right. Good thing you didn't brawl, not worth it at all. At
best, you don't really resolve anything and come out of a tussle with
some stranger with some marks on you and some marks on him. At worst,
you could end up dead.

--
Antonio Veranos

What color does a smurf turn when you choke it?

[Jim Brown]

On Aug 26, 11:02 am, Antonio Veranos <hok...@travelcomputer.mine>
wrote:

> On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 01:27:46 -0700 (PDT), Jim Brown wrote...
> > The guy comes over facing me and tells me to drop it.  Not
> > worth the hassle.
>
> Guy was right.  Good thing you didn't brawl, not worth it at all.  At
> best, you don't really resolve anything and come out of a tussle with
> some stranger with some marks on you and some marks on him.  At worst,
> you could end up dead.
>
>

Agreed, but alcohol does something to a guy. Plus, I just couldnt let
that shit slide.

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 01:27:46 -0700 (PDT), Jim Brown

After all the expressed beliefs on r.s.f.c. that almost anything is
"free speech" I am stunned by your attitude.

It's not that I agree with the racist remarks, I disagree with the
hypocrisy of no holds barred free speech unless it is about blacks -
or calling Obie a mulatto when, in fact, he is.

The response to being called a coon or a honky is, "You're (insert
your favorite expression here) right!" - if you have any pride, that
is.

Hugh

[Irish Mike]

On Aug 26 2012 5:27 AM, Jim Brown wrote:

> ....at least in small rural towns. I'll preface this by saying Iowa

Well thank God you faced down them evil white red neck racists. Because
as all "progressives" know, racism only comes in one color and that color
is white. I'm sure if you and your white progressive buddies had walked
in to a black bar in South Chicago, Compton or Baltimore, you'd be greeted
with open arms and offers to buy you a round.

Irish Mike

"It's not God bless America, it's God damn America!" Jeremiah Wright,
Obama's mentor and spiritual leader for more than 20 years.

[Irish Mike]

Yes, that is a sad mystery. It seems strange that with such a unifying
President in charge, we are so divided. It's almost as if some one was
running a campaign promoting class warfare in this country.

Irish Mike

Romney/Ryan - Repeal Obamacare, put Americans back to work, balance the
budget and restore the American economy.

[NapalmHeart]

"Irish Mike" <ad7...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
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All races have their share of racist idots and clear-headed people that are
smrat enough to know that the color of a person's skin is means little about
the color of their soul.

Ken

[Con Reeder, unhyphenated American]

> All races have their share of racist idots and clear-headed people that are
> smrat enough to know that the color of a person's skin is means little about
> the color of their soul.

They do. But what is sad, again, is that the tenor of the conversation
means you can't talk honestly. For instance, a discussion of the difference
in racially-motivated crime rates, or white-on-black versus black-on-white
crime, is not welcome.

I have gone to a couple of black bars and been OK, and even felt
welcome. But I also got vibes and looks from some. To be honest, I
didn't want to repeat the experience. I can easily imagine a black
person feeling the same, though from a statistical standpoint they
have far less to fear in most places -- blacks are many times more
likely to commit a violent crime against whites than vice-versa.

--
There's nothing sweeter than life nor more precious than time.
-- Barney

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 11:02:41 -0500, Antonio Veranos
<hok...@travelcomputer.mine> wrote:

>On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 01:27:46 -0700 (PDT), Jim Brown wrote...
>
>> The guy comes over facing me and tells me to drop it. Not
>> worth the hassle.
>
>Guy was right. Good thing you didn't brawl, not worth it at all.

It's a shame that we can no longer whip or get whipped, holler "calf
rope", shake hands and it's all over.

But nothing happened to the guy whose remarks were out of line - the
others walked away so he won. The losers are the ones who confronted
and walked away. If they can't back it up leave off the confrontation.

Hugh

[Michael Press]

In article
<35a58069-c92b-4997...@b8g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,

I would tell the management that some guys
are disrupting the karaoke.

--
Michael Press

[Jim Brown]

On Aug 26, 11:02 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> In article
> <35a58069-c92b-4997-8fa0-3d85e27a0...@b8g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,

>  Jim Brown <jimbrown...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Aug 26, 11:02 am, Antonio Veranos <hok...@travelcomputer.mine>
> > wrote:
> > > On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 01:27:46 -0700 (PDT), Jim Brown wrote...
> > > > The guy comes over facing me and tells me to drop it.  Not
> > > > worth the hassle.
>
> > > Guy was right.  Good thing you didn't brawl, not worth it at all.  At
> > > best, you don't really resolve anything and come out of a tussle with
> > > some stranger with some marks on you and some marks on him.  At worst,
> > > you could end up dead.
>
> > Agreed, but alcohol does something to a guy.  Plus, I just couldnt let
> > that shit slide.
>
> I would tell the management that some guys
> are disrupting the karaoke.
>
>

The 'management' was one female bartender, who later thanked me.

[Michael Press]

In article
<89132b01-d351-4bcd...@dh10g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,

Okay.

--
Michael Press

[dre]

Usually because the person bringing up said items either has an agenda or doesn't really want to discuss the real problem: institutional racism.

> I have gone to a couple of black bars and been OK, and even felt
>
> welcome. But I also got vibes and looks from some. To be honest, I
>
> didn't want to repeat the experience. I can easily imagine a black
>
> person feeling the same, though from a statistical standpoint they
>
> have far less to fear in most places -- blacks are many times more
>
> likely to commit a violent crime against whites than vice-versa.

You don't really get the whole "crime of opportunity/economic crime" vs "hate crime" dynamic, do you?

[unklbob]

That would have made a good story.

[Irish Mike]

Actually bucko, the real problem, the 2,000 pound elephant in the room
that never gets discussed, is the devastatingly high illegitimate birth
rate among blacks in America. Overall 72% of all black children born in
America are to unmarried women and if you look at the rate for black women
ages 16-23 it is even higher.

This fundamental fact is the chief cause of high rates of poverty, crime
and violence. Worse, children born to unwed mothers, with no male role
model or consistent father figure in the home, tend to repeat this
behavior. This is the real problem, but because it is so politically
incorrect, it is rarely mentioned or taken seriously.

It is so much easier, and so much more politically correct, to blame it on
"institutional racism" and just throw more (and more) taxpayer $billions
into government welfare, entitlement and handout programs.

Irish Mike

Obama has been an unmitigated disaster for this country. If you voted for
Obama in 2008 to prove you're not a racist, vote against him in 2012 to
prove you're not an idiot.

[Tom Enright]

On Aug 27, 5:56 am, dre <andre.er...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Usually because the person bringing up said items either has an agenda or doesn't really want to discuss the real problem:  institutional racism.

> > I have gone to a couple of black bars and been OK, and even felt
> > welcome. But I also got vibes and looks from some. To be honest, I
> > didn't want to repeat the experience. I can easily imagine a black
> > person feeling the same, though from a statistical standpoint they
> > have far less to fear in most places -- blacks are many times more
> > likely to commit a violent crime against whites than vice-versa.

> You don't really get the whole "crime of opportunity/economic crime" vs "hate crime" dynamic, do you?

Explain that to the guy with his head bashed-in. I'm sure it'll make
him feel much better.

-Tom Enright

[dre]

Actually, bucko, that's not the problem you *think* it is. 63% of all women aged 20-24 who give birth are unwed, and it climbs rapidly the younger the age groups get. It's a national trend, not some indictment against African-Americans like you'd like it to be.

[dre]

One could say the same thing to James Byrd. Or Trayvon Martin. Or any of the hundreds of other people killed simply for being born with brown skin.

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Mon, 27 Aug 2012 08:40:46 -0700 (PDT), dre <andre...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Actually, bucko, that's not the problem you *think* it is. 63% of all wome=
>n aged 20-24 who give birth are unwed, and it climbs rapidly the younger th=
>e age groups get. It's a national trend, not some indictment against Afric=

>an-Americans like you'd like it to be.

I'm not sure about HIS intent.

But the higher percentage of bastard births are by black
African-Americans. Since blacks are about 1/10 of the population that
skews the percentage up to an unbelievably high mark.

That is not to say there are no white African-Americans birthing
bastards, taking notice of the apparent fact the all descend fron one
African female - and who knows what color she was.

Hugh

[Con Reeder, unhyphenated American]

On 2012-08-27, Tom Enright <freddy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Aug 27, 5:56?am, dre <andre.er...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Usually because the person bringing up said items either has an agenda or doesn't really want to discuss the real problem: ?institutional racism.

>
>> > I have gone to a couple of black bars and been OK, and even felt
>> > welcome. But I also got vibes and looks from some. To be honest, I
>> > didn't want to repeat the experience. I can easily imagine a black
>> > person feeling the same, though from a statistical standpoint they
>> > have far less to fear in most places -- blacks are many times more
>> > likely to commit a violent crime against whites than vice-versa.
>
>> You don't really get the whole "crime of opportunity/economic crime" vs "hate crime" dynamic, do you?

I took that into account. The rate is 39 times higher on violent
crime, and 150 times higher for economic crime.

>
> Explain that to the guy with his head bashed-in. I'm sure it'll make
> him feel much better.

In addition hate-crime percentage is higher among blacks
as well. They commit 18% of the hate crimes as 13% of the
population.

--
Experience is what allows you to recognize a mistake the second time you
make it. -- unknown

[xyzzy]

You're a good man, Jimmy Brown.

[Damon Hynes, Cyclone Ranger]

On Aug 26, 3:27 am, Jim Brown <jimbrown...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Losers head back into the bar and I'm still pissed.  I imagine I'll
> run into the fuckers next time I'm over there.

I hope you run into them in the literal sense.

[Damon Hynes, Cyclone Ranger]

> You're a good man, Jimmy Brown.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

+1

[The Undead Edward M. Kennedy]

"Damon Hynes, Cyclone Ranger" <damon...@gmail.com> wrote

> Losers head back into the bar and I'm still pissed. I imagine I'll
> run into the fuckers next time I'm over there.
<
<I hope you run into them in the literal sense.

I hope he installs a cow catcher first.

--Tedward

[Antonio Veranos]

[J. Hugh Sullivan, Ea...@bellsouth.net]
[Sun, 26 Aug 2012 19:54:53 GMT]

: >> The guy comes over facing me and tells me to drop it. Not

: >> worth the hassle.
: >
: >Guy was right. Good thing you didn't brawl, not worth it at all.
:
: It's a shame that we can no longer whip or get whipped, holler "calf
: rope", shake hands and it's all over.

Indeed, but that's just not the world we live in anymore.

As life gets more valuable, EV becomes more of a factor, and there is
almost no EV calculation where getting into a fight is worthwhile.

[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

Damon Hynes, Cyclone Ranger presented us with the following on 8/27/2012
3:24 PM:

+2

--
When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and
carrying a cross - Not Sinclair Lewis