Why don't Republicans respect property rights?

[Dan Bretta]

Once again a Republican uses something they did not get permission to
use.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/28/nbc-mitt-romney-tom-brokaw-ad_n_1239107.html

Dan

[Antonio Veranos]

[Dan Bretta, nud...@yahoo.com]
[Sat, 28 Jan 2012 11:10:21 -0800 (PST)]

Dude... you're better than this Kennedian/Enrightian bullshit of
assigning the actions of one idiot (or group of idiots) to an entire
category of people. C'mon, now...

[Dan Bretta]

On Jan 28, 1:39 pm, Antonio Veranos <summerstorm0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> [Dan Bretta, nuda...@yahoo.com]

I should have inserted "Some" in my header sure, but I can't think of
one instance of a Democrat doing the same...I could name a half dozen
times in the last few elections that Republicans have.

Dan

[Antonio Veranos]

[Dan Bretta, nud...@yahoo.com]
[Sat, 28 Jan 2012 11:44:21 -0800 (PST)]

: > Dude... you're better than this Kennedian/Enrightian bullshit of
: > assigning the actions of one idiot (or group of idiots) to an entire
: > category of people.  C'mon, now...
:
: I should have inserted "Some" in my header sure, but I can't think of
: one instance of a Democrat doing the same...I could name a half dozen
: times in the last few elections that Republicans have.

I'll bet if you spent 30 minutes searching, you'd find plenty.

Politicians, in general, are scum.

[Dan Bretta]

On Jan 28, 1:50 pm, Antonio Veranos <summerstorm0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> [Dan Bretta, nuda...@yahoo.com]

I'm looking, but can't find a single instance.

So far I have come across:
Reagan uses Springsteen song "Born in the USA" against Springsteen's
wishes
McCain uses "Running on Empty" by Jackson Browne without permission
McCain uses a clip from "Wayne's World"..Mike Myers asks them to stop
McCain uses "Can't take my eyes off of you" by Frankie Valli...Warner
music issues a cease and desist.
The RNC uses "Barracuda" for Palin appearances...Heart issues a cease
and desist.
McCain uses John Mellencamp songs...Mellencamp issues a cease and
desist.
Mike Huckabee asked to stop using the Boston song "More than a
feeling".


Still looking for examples on the other side....

Dan

[Dan Bretta]

On Jan 28, 1:50 pm, Antonio Veranos <summerstorm0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> [Dan Bretta, nuda...@yahoo.com]

Found a couple more...GWB used Van Halen's "Right Now" in 2004 without
permission...McCain did the same in 2008 and was asked to stop.

Boy that McCain campaign really had no respect for property rights.

Dan

[michael anderson]

well, why would any liberal/democrat ever be asked to stop using
images or recordings of an entertainment figure in their campaign when
virtually all the entertainers are very liberal?


if you want an example though, drew brees' mom was running for a texas
judgeship of somesort as a democrat and she was using brees' image
without his permission and he asked her to stop.

>
> Dan

[Dan Bretta]

Fuck off.

Dan

[michael anderson]

sheeesh, you asked for an example. sorry you didnt like the answer
hehe

[Tom Enright]

On Jan 28, 2:39 pm, Antonio Veranos <summerstorm0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> [Dan Bretta, nuda...@yahoo.com]

> [Sat, 28 Jan 2012 11:10:21 -0800 (PST)]
>
> Dude... you're better than this Kennedian/Enrightian bullshit of
> assigning the actions of one idiot (or group of idiots) to an entire
> category of people.  C'mon, now...

Well you are half-right.

-Tom Enright

[Tom Enright]

You make a few errors/assumptions here.

1. When an artists "asks" for the GOP to stop using a song it doesn't
mean the GOP is using it illegally.
2. I'll go back and look but I believe in several of these instances
the GOP did get rights to the song, just that the artist didn't like
the GOP candidate.
3. The DNC is more likely to use pop/rock songs in their campaigns,
demographics and all that, but you show no evidence that the DNC is
more likely to get the correct permissions than the GOP. Please do
so.


-Tom Enright

> Dan

[Tom Enright]

Actually you have no respect for the truth.

I checked the "Baracuda" story....is BS, the GOP had permission...

"Waynes World?", Mike Meyers never asked them to stop using it.

I guess I could check the rest of your claims, maybe you will be
correct, maybe not. However the main issue still stands, you have not
shown that the GOP is any better or worse than the DNC on getting
permission, just that the artists in question complain less.

-Tom Enright

> Dan

[Dan Bretta]

In the cases where a cease and desist letter was sent I'm pretty sure
you can bet there was no permission....And I'm still waiting for any
instance of a democrat abusing intellectual property rights...not
saying it hasn't happened, but I can't find any links to such.

Dan

[Tom Enright]

Heart may have issued a "cease and desist" letter, hell, I could send
you one right now to stop posting on the interwebs, the fact is
"Baracuda" was not illegal used.

> ....And I'm still waiting for any
> instance of a democrat abusing intellectual property rights...not
> saying it hasn't happened, but I can't find any links to such.

You aren't looking for "a democrat abusing intellectual property
rights" you are looking for a an example of a Democrat using a rock
song without permission. Thus far you haven't provided any evidence
that the GOP is any better or worse on that score than the DNC.

-Tom Enright

> Dan

[Dan Bretta]

I have provided examples where Republicans have not respected property
rights or at the very least not respected the artists themselves. I
went searching for Democrats doing the same and I can't find
anything...I'll admit that they probably have and the artist hasn't
complained, but I'm guessing if the artist doesn't complain or send a
C&D then they don't mind. It's probably a case also of where a
Democrat is unlikely to use any song of a conservative artist
anyway.

Dan

[xyzzy]

He provides a long list of GOP infringements, you dispute two of them
and say you aren't going to bother to check any others, then declare
he hasn't provided any evidence? Seriously?

[Dan Bretta]

On Jan 28, 3:25 pm, Tom Enright <freddy_ha...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> "Waynes World?",  Mike Meyers never asked them to stop using it.
>

You're right...his publicist did.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/08/mccain-mike-mye.html

Dan

[michael anderson]

i just gave you one.

the reason there arent as many high profile cases involving name
politicians is because most entertainers are liberal, and so obviously
arent as likely to protest.

[Dan Bretta]

Fuck off.

Dan

[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

Disculpa Senora Dan Bretta, pero did you really mime the following on
1/28/2012 8:31 PM???

Dood. You really should lay claim to this schtick - I absolutely LOVE
it! The longer I stay here the more convinced I am that I should respond
to many posters here with "fuck off."

> Dan



--
Lighthouses are more helpful than churches.
-- Not Benjamin Franklin

[Antonio Veranos]

[Zaphod Beeblebrox, victor...@verizon.net]
[Sat, 28 Jan 2012 22:03:09 -0500]

: Dood. You really should lay claim to this schtick - I absolutely LOVE

: it! The longer I stay here the more convinced I am that I should respond
: to many posters here with "fuck off."

Fuck off. ($1 Bretta)

[Kyle T. Jones]

So now you're asking him to produce evidence that democrat's engage in
the same behavior - thus proving you're right - or don't produce that
evidence - which somehow also proves you're right?

Cheers.


>
>> Dan

[michael anderson]

is this your new approach now everytime I happen to correct you or
point out a flaw in your argument? i rarely use killfiles but if so
that would seem to certainly qualify as an appropriate use.


>
> Dan

[Dan Bretta]

Fuck off.

Dan

[michael anderson]

On Jan 28, 9:03 pm, Zaphod Beeblebrox <victor.ki...@verizon.net>
wrote:

it's generally a sure sign the person has no rebuttal.

After all, if someone just wanted to tell someone to f off, they could
certainly do so after the quickly pointed out the error in that
person's thinking.

[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

Disculpa Senora michael anderson, pero did you really mime the following
on 1/28/2012 10:34 PM???

Fuck Off! ($1 to Bretta)

[Jim Brown]

> Dan-


You realize you are just stroking his ego as he knows he's gotten
under your skin.

[Antonio Veranos]

[Jim Brown, jimbr...@yahoo.com]
[Sun, 29 Jan 2012 00:16:33 -0800 (PST)]

: You realize you are just stroking his ego as he knows he's gotten
: under your skin.

Not necessarily. Various people deal with the halfwit in different
ways. My current policy is to ignore him 99.9% of the time, though I
haven't actually dumped him into a killfile, as I prefer not to use one.

In any case, at some point in dealing with such an aggressively vile
personality as Andersock, some people realize that it's best to do what
they want to with regard to him, and to Hell with what anyone else,
including and especially him, thinks about it. If getting under
someone's skin is what he gets off on, well, more's the pity.

[TimV]

I do suppose you realize that you don't need the artist's permission to
play their songs. You just need to pay for the performance rights, which
are assigned to various groups like ASCAP which then pay the copyright
owners. If artists do not want Republican politicians to play their
songs, they shouldn't contract with a performance rights organization.

The NBC thing is a little trickier, but it almost assuredly falls under
fair use exception.

T

[Jim Brown]

Interesting. Does that pretty much moot this entire thread(minus the
mia name calling)?

[xyzzy]

Wow, I never saw THAT one coming!

[xyzzy]

Maybe not. This is interesting:

from: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2011/06/rebel_without_a_clue.html

"While an ASCAP license covers the right to perform a song, you need a
separate "synchronization license" from the publisher to put the song
in an ad. Some artists ask for stipulations in their contracts with
publishers that prevent their songs from being used for political
advertisements or any other causes they find objectionable."

So, as usual, "it depends." Playing songs at rallies, if you have the
ASCAP license and the artist hasn't excluded political use, is OK.
Using it in an ad or more formal production (I wonder where a
televised rally would fall on that scale) requires more.

[Dennis J]

On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 12:06:09 -0800 (PST), Dan Bretta
<nud...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Jan 28, 1:50 pm, Antonio Veranos <summerstorm0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> [Dan Bretta, nuda...@yahoo.com]
>> [Sat, 28 Jan 2012 11:44:21 -0800 (PST)]
>>
>> : > Dude... you're better than this Kennedian/Enrightian bullshit of
>> : > assigning the actions of one idiot (or group of idiots) to an entire
>> : > category of people.  C'mon, now...
>> :
>> : I should have inserted "Some" in my header sure, but I can't think of
>> : one instance of a Democrat doing the same...I could name a half dozen
>> : times in the last few elections that Republicans have.
>>
>> I'll bet if you spent 30 minutes searching, you'd find plenty.
>>
>> Politicians, in general, are scum.
>

>I'm looking, but can't find a single instance.
>
>So far I have come across:
>Reagan uses Springsteen song "Born in the USA" against Springsteen's
>wishes
>McCain uses "Running on Empty" by Jackson Browne without permission
>McCain uses a clip from "Wayne's World"..Mike Myers asks them to stop
>McCain uses "Can't take my eyes off of you" by Frankie Valli...Warner
>music issues a cease and desist.
>The RNC uses "Barracuda" for Palin appearances...Heart issues a cease
>and desist.
>McCain uses John Mellencamp songs...Mellencamp issues a cease and
>desist.
>Mike Huckabee asked to stop using the Boston song "More than a
>feeling".
>
>
>Still looking for examples on the other side....
>

>Dan

well... maybe the left has a better feel for people that lean their
way and actually, ask to use the stuff?
--

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"the Glass is not only half full, it has been delicious so far!!" -- ME
To reply, SCRAPE off the end bits.

[Dennis J]

On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 14:37:03 -0800 (PST), xyzzy <xyzzy...@gmail.com>
wrote:

it's considered a public event, if admission is charged they are due
royalties.

so when the party plays music at a pay per plate dinner/Fundraiser....

[The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior]

On Jan 28, 2:06 pm, Dan Bretta <nuda...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jan 28, 1:50 pm, Antonio Veranos <summerstorm0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > [Dan Bretta, nuda...@yahoo.com]
> > [Sat, 28 Jan 2012 11:44:21 -0800 (PST)]
>
> > : > Dude... you're better than this Kennedian/Enrightian bullshit of
> > : > assigning the actions of one idiot (or group of idiots) to an entire
> > : > category of people.  C'mon, now...
> > :
> > : I should have inserted "Some" in my header sure, but I can't think of
> > : one instance of a Democrat doing the same...I could name a half dozen
> > : times in the last few elections that Republicans have.
>
> > I'll bet if you spent 30 minutes searching, you'd find plenty.
>
> > Politicians, in general, are scum.
>

> I'm looking, but can't find a single instance.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2011/06/30/has_a_rock_star_ever_sued_a_democrat_for_using_a_song_in_a_campa.html

[Jim Brown]

On Jan 30, 7:33 am, Dennis J <drjud...@frontier.SCRAPE.COM> wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 14:37:03 -0800 (PST), xyzzy <xyzzy.d...@gmail.com>

> >from:http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2011/06/reb...

>
> >"While an ASCAP license covers the right to perform a song, you need a
> >separate "synchronization license" from the publisher to put the song
> >in an ad. Some artists ask for stipulations in their contracts with
> >publishers that prevent their songs from being used for political
> >advertisements or any other causes they find objectionable."
>
> >So, as usual, "it depends."  Playing songs at rallies, if you have the
> >ASCAP license and the artist hasn't excluded political use, is OK.
> >Using it in an ad or more formal production (I wonder where a
> >televised rally would fall on that scale) requires more.
>
> it's considered a public event, if admission is charged they are due
> royalties.
>
> so when the party plays music at a pay per plate dinner/Fundraiser....
>

I certain they would and likely do pay the needed royalties...usually
when there's a problem, it seems its one where the artist is a
partisan lib and won't allow his music to be played in association
with a Repub. The Dems have most of Hollywood(including music)
wrapped up. I can't completely blame them for not wanting
associations...Bubba and his clan ruined "Don't Stop" by Fleetwood Mac
for me after watching him and Gore dance around on stage back in teh
90s.

[Dennis J]

I don't think Uncle Ted would want a Dem to use any of his stuff...

[Tom Enright]

Did Clinton have the correct permissions to use the song? I don't
know, don't really care either.

As important as this is, it's pretty small change. If some moran
Republican wants to use some crappy pop song, have at it. OTOH, if
you want to see a ***REEEEEEEL*** example of having contempt for
property rights look-up Kelo v. City of New London.

-Tom Enright

[Jim Brown]

Who would want to use his crap?


Besides Ted, who else is at least ambivalent towards Repubs?


Chrissie Hynde isnt a repub AFAIK, but she was quoted as saying she
didnt mind Limbaugh using the Pretenders song as bumper music.

[The Undead Edward M. Kennedy]

"Jim Brown" <jimbr...@yahoo.com> wrote

Ambivalent is not the right word. I hate Repubs less than
I hate Democrats. Doesn't mean I am abivalent.

Sometimes it may appear I am sticking up for Repubs when
I simply pointing out that option A is less evil than option B.

--Tedward

[Dan Bretta]

On Jan 30, 7:43 am, "The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior"

> http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2011/06/30/has_a_rock_star_ever_s...

Thanks...And I do recall that incident now...that article points out a
whole lot more GOP ones I'd forgotten about too.

Dan

[Dan Bretta]

Or look into the Keystone pipeline...where a FOREIGN COMPANY seems to
be able to use eminent domain on American soil.

Dan

[The Undead Edward M. Kennedy]

"Dan Bretta" <nud...@yahoo.com> wrote

Ironically, a pipeline is one of the more legitimate uses of emminent
domain, as opposed to a lot of the bullshit going on.

We need an amendment reeling in emminent domain. Some states
have taken the lead internally. Good for them.

--Tedward

[Dan Bretta]

On Jan 30, 10:16 am, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" <e...@o.com>
wrote:
> "Dan Bretta" <nuda...@yahoo.com> wrote

I'm surprised a Libertarian would ever find eminent domain to be
legit.


Dan

[Emperor Wonko the Sane]

On Saturday, January 28, 2012 1:10:21 PM UTC-6, Dan Bretta wrote:
> Once again a Republican uses something they did not get permission to
> use.
>
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/28/nbc-mitt-romney-tom-brokaw-ad_n_1239107.html
>

IFYHFY

Doug

[The Undead Edward M. Kennedy]

"Dan Bretta" <nud...@yahoo.com> wrote

In theory, few of us do. But it is Constitutional. As much as
it is Constitutional, I hate to see it abused.

--Tedward

[Dennis J]

Quit listening to NPR!!! Eminent domain was the topic on Dianne Rheem
today...

[xyzzy]

Heh, I heard that when I was out on lunch today... and the Keystone
pipeline was mentioned as an example of imminent domain being used to
benefit a private venture. I was going to poast about it but as usual
DYHTBQITHCR!!!1!!

[The Undead Edward M. Kennedy]

"xyzzy" <xyzzy...@gmail.com> wrote

If a pipeline isn't infrastructure just like roads, bridges, and rail,
I don't know what is. I don't care if the toll road is run by a
business or GovCo.

If you're going to complain about immiment domain here, you
might give in to the dark side and become a libertarian.

--Tedward

[Jim Brown]

On Jan 30, 9:15 am, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" <e...@o.com> wrote:
> "Jim Brown" <jimbrown...@yahoo.com> wrote

You do realize we were talking about Ted Nugent, right?

[The Undead Edward M. Kennedy]

"Jim Brown" <jimbr...@yahoo.com> wrote

<You do realize we were talking about Ted Nugent, right?

Yes, but this is usenet, where hijacking is allowed.

--Tedward

[Thomas R. Kettler]

In article <jg73lt$ngo$1...@dont-email.me>,

"The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" <e...@o.com> wrote:

> Yes, but this is usenet, where hijacking is allowed.

That explains why I still haven't received any copyright money for my
"I hope the person that scheduled it has been taken to multitask." line.
--
Remove blown from email address to reply.

[The Undead Edward M. Kennedy]

"Thomas R. Kettler" <tket...@blownfuse.net> wrote

>> Yes, but this is usenet, where hijacking is allowed.
>
> That explains why I still haven't received any copyright money for my
> "I hope the person that scheduled it has been taken to multitask." line.

I'll take "Outlaws will be outlaws" for $200, Alex.

--Tedward

[Thomas R. Kettler]

In article <jg90a6$qa6$1...@dont-email.me>,

"The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" <e...@o.com> wrote:

Did you decide Facebook wouldn't be as much fun as they showed it to be
in the sixty minute presentation?

[The Undead Edward M. Kennedy]

"Thomas R. Kettler" <tket...@blownfuse.net> wrote

>> >> Yes, but this is usenet, where hijacking is allowed.
>> >
>> > That explains why I still haven't received any copyright money for my
>> > "I hope the person that scheduled it has been taken to multitask." line.
>>
>> I'll take "Outlaws will be outlaws" for $200, Alex.
>
> Did you decide Facebook wouldn't be as much fun as they showed it to be
> in the sixty minute presentation?

Somone's gonna die before I sit through a sixty minute presentation
on Facebook.

--Tedward

[Tom Enright]

On Jan 31, 1:21 pm, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" <e...@o.com> wrote:
> "Thomas R. Kettler" <tkett...@blownfuse.net> wrote

I swear officer, it was either him or me.

-Tom Enright

> --Tedward