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Hoover
Jan 22, 2012, 10:39:02 AM1/22/12
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It's very sad that this man's legacy will forever be tied to the
actions of an assistant coach. RIP Joe
actions of an assistant coach. RIP Joe
Glen Heiman
Jan 22, 2012, 11:33:54 AM1/22/12
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"Hoover" <Hoov_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> It's very sad that this man's legacy will forever be tied to the
> actions of an assistant coach. RIP Joe
He died of exposure! Exposure to Pedophilia!
> actions of an assistant coach. RIP Joe
Heiman
Jim Brown
Jan 22, 2012, 11:35:44 AM1/22/12
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On Jan 22, 9:39 am, Hoover <Hoov_Hoo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> It's very sad that this man's legacy will forever be tied to the
> actions of an assistant coach. RIP Joe
I can't believe I'm going to say this, but...
> It's very sad that this man's legacy will forever be tied to the
> actions of an assistant coach. RIP Joe
Well said, Hoover.
Hoover
Jan 22, 2012, 1:40:33 PM1/22/12
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Irish Mike
Jan 22, 2012, 1:47:37 PM1/22/12
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On Jan 22 2012 11:39 AM, Hoover wrote:
> It's very sad that this man's legacy will forever be tied to the
> actions of an assistant coach. RIP Joe
No, his legacy will forever be tied to his own inaction.
> It's very sad that this man's legacy will forever be tied to the
> actions of an assistant coach. RIP Joe
Irish Mike
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Hoover
Jan 22, 2012, 3:19:11 PM1/22/12
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for the good things he did and history will correctly put all of this
on Sandusky
Vic Vaselino
Jan 22, 2012, 4:22:54 PM1/22/12
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Vic
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Irish Mike
Jan 22, 2012, 4:53:48 PM1/22/12
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Irish Mike
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J. Hugh Sullivan
Jan 22, 2012, 5:02:11 PM1/22/12
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On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 10:47:37 -0800, "Irish Mike"
<ad7...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>On Jan 22 2012 11:39 AM, Hoover wrote:
>
>> It's very sad that this man's legacy will forever be tied to the
>> actions of an assistant coach. RIP Joe
>
>No, his legacy will forever be tied to his own inaction.
>
>Irish Mike
I sorta doubt that. When asked who coached the most winning football
<ad7...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>On Jan 22 2012 11:39 AM, Hoover wrote:
>
>> It's very sad that this man's legacy will forever be tied to the
>> actions of an assistant coach. RIP Joe
>
>No, his legacy will forever be tied to his own inaction.
>
>Irish Mike
games, I doubt the response will be "the coach who was fired for
inaction" - at least not 20 years from now.
Hugh
Vic Vaselino
Jan 22, 2012, 5:05:39 PM1/22/12
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priests differs from your distaste for Penn States handling of a pedophile
coach. I mean other than the fact that the Catholic cover up was FAR
more massive.
Vic
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Antonio Veranos
Jan 22, 2012, 5:31:45 PM1/22/12
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[Irish Mike, ad7...@webnntp.invalid]
[Sun, 22 Jan 2012 13:53:48 -0800]
: Anti-Catholic bigotry noted.
Heh. No.
The Catholic Church has done more to harm children than 100 Sanduskys.
[Sun, 22 Jan 2012 13:53:48 -0800]
: Anti-Catholic bigotry noted.
Heh. No.
The Catholic Church has done more to harm children than 100 Sanduskys.
Irish Mike
Jan 22, 2012, 6:17:32 PM1/22/12
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few. I point out one man for his own actions.
Irish Mike
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xyzzy
Jan 22, 2012, 6:27:00 PM1/22/12
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death, can we say that child sex abuse in the church is how people
remember John Paul II? I don't think so.
Antonio Veranos
Jan 22, 2012, 6:36:07 PM1/22/12
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[Irish Mike, ad7...@webnntp.invalid]
[Sun, 22 Jan 2012 15:17:32 -0800]
: You attempt to smear hundreds of millions of people for the actions of a
: few.
Bullshit. The Catholic Church, when discussing pedophilia, refers to
the organizational cover-up, and you damn well know that.
[Sun, 22 Jan 2012 15:17:32 -0800]
: You attempt to smear hundreds of millions of people for the actions of a
: few.
Bullshit. The Catholic Church, when discussing pedophilia, refers to
the organizational cover-up, and you damn well know that.
Maryann Pulaski
Jan 22, 2012, 6:37:49 PM1/22/12
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Ginzo logic!! Never adm,it anything!
Maryann Pulaski
Jan 22, 2012, 6:36:30 PM1/22/12
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Dakota.....INDEED!!!
Maryann Pulaski
Jan 22, 2012, 6:35:55 PM1/22/12
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Don Paterno; Ruling Ginzo of Happy Valley is no more!
BRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrraaaaaaaappppPPPPPP!
Fuck that chain smoker and all his jock sniffintg fans.
Get a f'n life you pot heads!
BRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrraaaaaaaappppPPPPPP!
Fuck that chain smoker and all his jock sniffintg fans.
Get a f'n life you pot heads!
Maryann Pulaski
Jan 22, 2012, 6:39:13 PM1/22/12
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What about his wife.....the poor F/B widow!
You f'n jock sniffers!
You f'n jock sniffers!
Maryann Pulaski
Jan 22, 2012, 6:40:08 PM1/22/12
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Vic; Is Sandusky a catholic priest?
Vic Vaselino
Jan 22, 2012, 6:51:05 PM1/22/12
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friends
are catholic. My issue is with the church leaders.
Vic
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Glen Heiman
Jan 22, 2012, 7:17:09 PM1/22/12
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"Maryann Pulaski" <DaR...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> Vic; Is Sandusky a catholic priest?
>
Probably not, but apparently he is qualified.
>
Heiman
NapalmHeart
Jan 22, 2012, 8:10:09 PM1/22/12
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"Hoover" <Hoov_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> It's very sad that this man's legacy will forever be tied to the
> actions of an assistant coach. RIP Joe
History will be a kinder judge than some are being right now. It is sad that Sandusky was ever
> actions of an assistant coach. RIP Joe
associated with PSU football. RIP Joe.
Hoover
Jan 22, 2012, 8:44:41 PM1/22/12
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On Jan 22, 6:39 pm, DaRi...@webtv.net (Maryann Pulaski) wrote:
> What about his wife.....the poor F/B widow!
> You f'n jock sniffers!
Troll
> What about his wife.....the poor F/B widow!
> You f'n jock sniffers!
Jim G.
Jan 23, 2012, 3:14:30 PM1/23/12
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Vic Vaselino sent the following on Sun, 22 Jan 2012 13:22:54 -0800:
Like some *individuals* within the Catholic church, just as folks are
singling out Paterno for his enabling inaction instead of blaming
everyone at Penn State for it.
--
Jim G. | Waukesha, WI
"Sports do not build character; they reveal it." -- Heywood Broun
> On Jan 22 2012 1:47 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
>
> > On Jan 22 2012 11:39 AM, Hoover wrote:
> >
> > > It's very sad that this man's legacy will forever be tied to the
> > > actions of an assistant coach. RIP Joe
> >
> > No, his legacy will forever be tied to his own inaction.
> >
> Like the Catholic church.
>
> > On Jan 22 2012 11:39 AM, Hoover wrote:
> >
> > > It's very sad that this man's legacy will forever be tied to the
> > > actions of an assistant coach. RIP Joe
> >
> > No, his legacy will forever be tied to his own inaction.
> >
Like some *individuals* within the Catholic church, just as folks are
singling out Paterno for his enabling inaction instead of blaming
everyone at Penn State for it.
--
Jim G. | Waukesha, WI
"Sports do not build character; they reveal it." -- Heywood Broun
Jim G.
Jan 23, 2012, 3:14:30 PM1/23/12
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Antonio Veranos sent the following on Sun, 22 Jan 2012 22:31:45 -0000:
Just as it's appropriate to identify the Happy Valley problem as
Sandusky and Paterno and a few other enablers instead of blaming all of
Penn State past and present, it's also appropriate to identify the
Catholic problem by individual instead of smearing everyone with broad
strokes.
Sandusky and Paterno and a few other enablers instead of blaming all of
Penn State past and present, it's also appropriate to identify the
Catholic problem by individual instead of smearing everyone with broad
strokes.
Jim G.
Jan 23, 2012, 3:14:30 PM1/23/12
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Antonio Veranos sent the following on Sun, 22 Jan 2012 23:36:07 -0000:
Except that there was no "organizational cover-up." If there had been,
it would have originated at the Vatican and someone would have pointed
it out by now. Or are you suggesting that there aren't countless lawyers
who have spent the past decade making careers out of searching for the
smoking gun in Rome?
And where the Catholic Church is concerned, the vast majority of cases
involved priests who were identified, removed, treated and relocated.
It's not as if the majority of cases involved doing nothing and not
treating. And as for the treating, the vast majority of the cases that
have come to light took place back in the days when the "experts"
thought (per the DSM of those days) that these pervs could truly be
cured.
For my part, this is why I can understand why a given bishop (as opposed
to "The Church") going about his work decades ago would relocate someone
and giving him another chance after he'd been "healed." And if that
person was "healed" of a genuine illness, there would have been no
reason to continue to refer to it, just as a person who breaks a leg
need not continue to acknowledge that break long after the bone has
healed. OTOH, I wonder why so many people within the Church *and* within
the pshrink community took so long to acknowledge that the rate of
recidivism was so high, given the damage being done each time a priest
re-offended.
And having said all of that, it's worth noting that the Sandusky
business took place in 2000s and not, say, the '50s or '60s or even the
'70s, and the DSM had long since been updated to reflect the sad
realities by then, and the approach to abusers was far different than it
had been--both within the Catholic Church and everywhere else--40 years
earlier.
That's why I'll give a sad 'bye to a lot of what happened decades ago,
whether it happened within the Church or without, but good luck finding
any examples of me defending a priest or bishop who would have done
little or nothing to address a rapist in 2001 or thereabouts.
But you seem to have unresolved issues and a lot of hate for the
Catholic Church and insist on blaming the whole for the actions of a few
(while ignoring that the extent of the problem appears to have been in
line with where it stood in every other religious denomination or faith
and every other secular community), so I'm not surprised that you want
to believe that this was an "organizational cover-up."
it would have originated at the Vatican and someone would have pointed
it out by now. Or are you suggesting that there aren't countless lawyers
who have spent the past decade making careers out of searching for the
smoking gun in Rome?
And where the Catholic Church is concerned, the vast majority of cases
involved priests who were identified, removed, treated and relocated.
It's not as if the majority of cases involved doing nothing and not
treating. And as for the treating, the vast majority of the cases that
have come to light took place back in the days when the "experts"
thought (per the DSM of those days) that these pervs could truly be
cured.
For my part, this is why I can understand why a given bishop (as opposed
to "The Church") going about his work decades ago would relocate someone
and giving him another chance after he'd been "healed." And if that
person was "healed" of a genuine illness, there would have been no
reason to continue to refer to it, just as a person who breaks a leg
need not continue to acknowledge that break long after the bone has
healed. OTOH, I wonder why so many people within the Church *and* within
the pshrink community took so long to acknowledge that the rate of
recidivism was so high, given the damage being done each time a priest
re-offended.
And having said all of that, it's worth noting that the Sandusky
business took place in 2000s and not, say, the '50s or '60s or even the
'70s, and the DSM had long since been updated to reflect the sad
realities by then, and the approach to abusers was far different than it
had been--both within the Catholic Church and everywhere else--40 years
earlier.
That's why I'll give a sad 'bye to a lot of what happened decades ago,
whether it happened within the Church or without, but good luck finding
any examples of me defending a priest or bishop who would have done
little or nothing to address a rapist in 2001 or thereabouts.
But you seem to have unresolved issues and a lot of hate for the
Catholic Church and insist on blaming the whole for the actions of a few
(while ignoring that the extent of the problem appears to have been in
line with where it stood in every other religious denomination or faith
and every other secular community), so I'm not surprised that you want
to believe that this was an "organizational cover-up."
Antonio Veranos
Jan 23, 2012, 5:15:46 PM1/23/12
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[Jim G., jimg...@geemail.com]
[Mon, 23 Jan 2012 14:14:30 -0600]
: > : You attempt to smear hundreds of millions of people for the actions of a
[Mon, 23 Jan 2012 14:14:30 -0600]
: > : You attempt to smear hundreds of millions of people for the actions of a
: > : few.
: >
: > Bullshit. The Catholic Church, when discussing pedophilia, refers to
: > the organizational cover-up, and you damn well know that.
:
: Except that there was no "organizational cover-up."
Wow.
: >
: > Bullshit. The Catholic Church, when discussing pedophilia, refers to
: > the organizational cover-up, and you damn well know that.
:
: Except that there was no "organizational cover-up."
J.C. Watts Enslin
Jan 23, 2012, 5:25:05 PM1/23/12
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On Jan 23, 4:15 pm, Antonio Veranos <summerstorm0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> [Jim G., jimgy...@geemail.com]
Makes Jefferson and Lein look somewhat rational.
> [Jim G., jimgy...@geemail.com]
The Undead Edward M. Kennedy
Jan 23, 2012, 5:25:32 PM1/23/12
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"Jim G." <jimg...@geemail.com> wrote
>> > > It's very sad that this man's legacy will forever be tied to the
>> > > actions of an assistant coach. RIP Joe
>> >
>> > No, his legacy will forever be tied to his own inaction.
>> >
>> Like the Catholic church.
>
> Like some *individuals* within the Catholic church, just as folks are
> singling out Paterno for his enabling inaction instead of blaming
> everyone at Penn State for it.
I, for one, blame everyone at Penn State for it. Alumni too.
--Tedward
>> > > It's very sad that this man's legacy will forever be tied to the
>> > > actions of an assistant coach. RIP Joe
>> >
>> > No, his legacy will forever be tied to his own inaction.
>> >
>> Like the Catholic church.
>
> Like some *individuals* within the Catholic church, just as folks are
> singling out Paterno for his enabling inaction instead of blaming
> everyone at Penn State for it.
--Tedward
The Undead Edward M. Kennedy
Jan 23, 2012, 5:27:01 PM1/23/12
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"Jim G." <jimg...@geemail.com> wrote
>> : Anti-Catholic bigotry noted.
>>
>> Heh. No.
>>
>> The Catholic Church has done more to harm children than 100 Sanduskys.
>
> Just as it's appropriate to identify the Happy Valley problem as
> Sandusky and Paterno and a few other enablers instead of blaming all of
> Penn State past and present, it's also appropriate to identify the
> Catholic problem by individual instead of smearing everyone with broad
> strokes.
It would take to long too dig up the name of every priest involved.
--Tedward
>> : Anti-Catholic bigotry noted.
>>
>> Heh. No.
>>
>> The Catholic Church has done more to harm children than 100 Sanduskys.
>
> Just as it's appropriate to identify the Happy Valley problem as
> Sandusky and Paterno and a few other enablers instead of blaming all of
> Penn State past and present, it's also appropriate to identify the
> Catholic problem by individual instead of smearing everyone with broad
> strokes.
--Tedward
Antonio Veranos
Jan 23, 2012, 5:35:27 PM1/23/12
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[J.C. Watts Enslin, jone...@charter.net]
[Mon, 23 Jan 2012 14:25:05 -0800 (PST)]
:
Different branch, same bush.
[Mon, 23 Jan 2012 14:25:05 -0800 (PST)]
:
J.C. Watts Enslin
Jan 23, 2012, 5:34:26 PM1/23/12
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On Jan 23, 2:14 pm, Jim G. <jimgy...@geemail.com> wrote:
> Vic Vaselino sent the following on Sun, 22 Jan 2012 13:22:54 -0800:
>
> > On Jan 22 2012 1:47 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 22 2012 11:39 AM, Hoover wrote:
>
> > > > It's very sad that this man's legacy will forever be tied to the
> > > > actions of an assistant coach. RIP Joe
>
> > > No, his legacy will forever be tied to his own inaction.
>
> > Like the Catholic church.
>
> Like some *individuals* within the Catholic church, just as folks are
> singling out Paterno for his enabling inaction instead of blaming
> everyone at Penn State for it.
Well, let me put it this way...
> Vic Vaselino sent the following on Sun, 22 Jan 2012 13:22:54 -0800:
>
> > On Jan 22 2012 1:47 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 22 2012 11:39 AM, Hoover wrote:
>
> > > > It's very sad that this man's legacy will forever be tied to the
> > > > actions of an assistant coach. RIP Joe
>
> > > No, his legacy will forever be tied to his own inaction.
>
> > Like the Catholic church.
>
> Like some *individuals* within the Catholic church, just as folks are
> singling out Paterno for his enabling inaction instead of blaming
> everyone at Penn State for it.
"Sanduskys" exist everywhere. In organizations that function
correctly, they are rooted out, removed and turned over the
authorities for punishment. And victims are identified and
supported. Both Penn State University and the Catholic Church had
organizational weaknesses, including incompetent people in positions
of authority, that let their "Sanduskys" continue to function, while
essentially ignoring the victims.
There's culpability there. The Catholic Church and Penn State
University are complicit in letting pedophiles thrive because they
didn't take the necessary steps to remove them from their
organizations.
Above, you mention that pedophiles were "identified, removed, treated
and relocated" by the Church. Why weren't they turned over to legal
authorities? You know...because they violated the law? Furthermore,
even after they were "treated" and "relocated," many of them continued
to rape. Yet they still weren't turned over to the law...they were
just "treated" (again) and "relocated" (elsewhere.)
This is no different than Penn State, who let a pedophile continue to
operate on its campus.
Jim G.
Jan 23, 2012, 8:50:03 PM1/23/12
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J.C. Watts Enslin sent the following on Mon, 23 Jan 2012 14:25:05 -0800
(PST):
Where J&L are concerned, I limited myself to mocking their insane
defense of JoePa's enabling behavior. But I would have agreed with them
that there is no evidence of an "organizational" problem or "cover-up"
at Penn State at this point. Essentially, based on what we know at the
moment, three or four people f4ed up.
As for the Catholic Church, you and/or Bryan are welcome to provide
evidence of an "organizational cover-up." But first, you might want to
make sure that you understand how things *are* organized so that you can
see how difficult it would be for an "organizational cover-up" to
succeed. And then you can always show me proof in the form of the
smoking gun that leads back to Rome. Not that there aren't plenty of
people who've spent the past decade trying to find just such a thing...
(PST):
defense of JoePa's enabling behavior. But I would have agreed with them
that there is no evidence of an "organizational" problem or "cover-up"
at Penn State at this point. Essentially, based on what we know at the
moment, three or four people f4ed up.
As for the Catholic Church, you and/or Bryan are welcome to provide
evidence of an "organizational cover-up." But first, you might want to
make sure that you understand how things *are* organized so that you can
see how difficult it would be for an "organizational cover-up" to
succeed. And then you can always show me proof in the form of the
smoking gun that leads back to Rome. Not that there aren't plenty of
people who've spent the past decade trying to find just such a thing...
Jim G.
Jan 23, 2012, 8:50:03 PM1/23/12
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Antonio Veranos sent the following on Mon, 23 Jan 2012 22:35:27 -0000:
Back-to-back comments from you with nothing substantive to offer...
As I say elsewhere, if I had seen either J or L defending Penn State
against charges of "organizational cover-up," then I would have
supported them against those charges. OTOH, if someone were to defend a
bishop who, in 2001 or thereabouts, responded to an abusive priest in
the same way that his counterparts acted in, say, 1961, then I would be
mocking that person just as I've mocked J&L over their support of
JoePa's enabling.
In any case, comparing 2001 to 1951 or 1961 or even 1981 comes with all
sorts of problems. You're unable or unwilling to acknowledge that,
apparently, but it's not surprising, given your track record with regard
to pretty much anything Church-related.
As I say elsewhere, if I had seen either J or L defending Penn State
against charges of "organizational cover-up," then I would have
supported them against those charges. OTOH, if someone were to defend a
bishop who, in 2001 or thereabouts, responded to an abusive priest in
the same way that his counterparts acted in, say, 1961, then I would be
mocking that person just as I've mocked J&L over their support of
JoePa's enabling.
In any case, comparing 2001 to 1951 or 1961 or even 1981 comes with all
sorts of problems. You're unable or unwilling to acknowledge that,
apparently, but it's not surprising, given your track record with regard
to pretty much anything Church-related.
Jim G.
Jan 23, 2012, 8:50:03 PM1/23/12
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J.C. Watts Enslin sent the following on Mon, 23 Jan 2012 14:34:26 -0800
(PST):
in 2001 and what happened in another place in 1961, even if what
happened was the very same thing.
> There's culpability there. The Catholic Church and Penn State
> University are complicit in letting pedophiles thrive because they
> didn't take the necessary steps to remove them from their
> organizations.
Again, times change. Most of the abuse claims related to the Catholic
Church date back to the '50s and '60s and '70s, when the "experts" had a
very different view of how to address abuse and abusers.
> Above, you mention that pedophiles were "identified, removed, treated
> and relocated" by the Church. Why weren't they turned over to legal
> authorities?
I don't know. Probably for the same reasons that Lutherans and
Methodists and Jews and average Joes didn't turn them over to legal
authorities. Things were done differently 30 or 40 or 50 years ago
because people--"experts" and regular Joes alike--viewed things
differently back then, and comparing apples to oranges doesn't work very
well, whether your aim is to bash Catholics or anyone else who made
similar decisions to leave the authorities out of things.
> You know...because they violated the law? Furthermore,
> even after they were "treated" and "relocated," many of them continued
> to rape. Yet they still weren't turned over to the law...they were
> just "treated" (again) and "relocated" (elsewhere.)
I've already said that there's no excuse for ignoring the repeat
offenders who were clearly incapable of being "healed."
> This is no different than Penn State, who let a pedophile continue to
> operate on its campus.
You should probably read up on changes in the DSM between the days of
the worst of the Catholic stuff and the days of Sandusky.
(PST):
> On Jan 23, 2:14 pm, Jim G. <jimgy...@geemail.com> wrote:
> > Vic Vaselino sent the following on Sun, 22 Jan 2012 13:22:54 -0800:
> >
> > > On Jan 22 2012 1:47 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
> >
> > > > On Jan 22 2012 11:39 AM, Hoover wrote:
> >
> > > > > It's very sad that this man's legacy will forever be tied to the
> > > > > actions of an assistant coach. RIP Joe
> >
> > > > No, his legacy will forever be tied to his own inaction.
> >
> > > Like the Catholic church.
> >
> > Like some *individuals* within the Catholic church, just as folks are
> > singling out Paterno for his enabling inaction instead of blaming
> > everyone at Penn State for it.
>
> Well, let me put it this way...
>
> "Sanduskys" exist everywhere. In organizations that function
> correctly, they are rooted out, removed and turned over the
> authorities for punishment. And victims are identified and
> supported. Both Penn State University and the Catholic Church had
> organizational weaknesses, including incompetent people in positions
> of authority, that let their "Sanduskys" continue to function, while
> essentially ignoring the victims.
There are all sorts of problems in comparing what happened in one place
> > Vic Vaselino sent the following on Sun, 22 Jan 2012 13:22:54 -0800:
> >
> > > On Jan 22 2012 1:47 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
> >
> > > > On Jan 22 2012 11:39 AM, Hoover wrote:
> >
> > > > > It's very sad that this man's legacy will forever be tied to the
> > > > > actions of an assistant coach. RIP Joe
> >
> > > > No, his legacy will forever be tied to his own inaction.
> >
> > > Like the Catholic church.
> >
> > Like some *individuals* within the Catholic church, just as folks are
> > singling out Paterno for his enabling inaction instead of blaming
> > everyone at Penn State for it.
>
> Well, let me put it this way...
>
> "Sanduskys" exist everywhere. In organizations that function
> correctly, they are rooted out, removed and turned over the
> authorities for punishment. And victims are identified and
> supported. Both Penn State University and the Catholic Church had
> organizational weaknesses, including incompetent people in positions
> of authority, that let their "Sanduskys" continue to function, while
> essentially ignoring the victims.
in 2001 and what happened in another place in 1961, even if what
happened was the very same thing.
> There's culpability there. The Catholic Church and Penn State
> University are complicit in letting pedophiles thrive because they
> didn't take the necessary steps to remove them from their
> organizations.
Church date back to the '50s and '60s and '70s, when the "experts" had a
very different view of how to address abuse and abusers.
> Above, you mention that pedophiles were "identified, removed, treated
> and relocated" by the Church. Why weren't they turned over to legal
> authorities?
Methodists and Jews and average Joes didn't turn them over to legal
authorities. Things were done differently 30 or 40 or 50 years ago
because people--"experts" and regular Joes alike--viewed things
differently back then, and comparing apples to oranges doesn't work very
well, whether your aim is to bash Catholics or anyone else who made
similar decisions to leave the authorities out of things.
> You know...because they violated the law? Furthermore,
> even after they were "treated" and "relocated," many of them continued
> to rape. Yet they still weren't turned over to the law...they were
> just "treated" (again) and "relocated" (elsewhere.)
offenders who were clearly incapable of being "healed."
> This is no different than Penn State, who let a pedophile continue to
> operate on its campus.
the worst of the Catholic stuff and the days of Sandusky.
Jim G.
Jan 23, 2012, 8:50:03 PM1/23/12
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The Undead Edward M. Kennedy sent the following on Mon, 23 Jan 2012
17:25:32 -0500:
I recommend picking a random person with PSU connections to take all of
the blame, and to rotate people on a daily basis. It's more fun that way
than it is to blame everyone at once, as that allows people to get lost
in the crowd.
"You, Joe Smith of the Class of 1973! It's your day to be the pond scum,
you maggot! Get over here and tell me your excuse for not doing
something!"
17:25:32 -0500:
the blame, and to rotate people on a daily basis. It's more fun that way
than it is to blame everyone at once, as that allows people to get lost
in the crowd.
"You, Joe Smith of the Class of 1973! It's your day to be the pond scum,
you maggot! Get over here and tell me your excuse for not doing
something!"
Jim G.
Jan 23, 2012, 8:50:03 PM1/23/12
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The Undead Edward M. Kennedy sent the following on Mon, 23 Jan 2012
17:27:01 -0500:
long to dig up the name of every person involved in any other group of
comparable size, as well. Again, the Church has no monopoly on perverts,
not that I want that to be interpreted as an "everyone else is doing it"
excuse, or anything.
Michael
Jan 23, 2012, 8:59:25 PM1/23/12
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It depends on what we find out later about much he knew (if he knew about the 1998 investigation, for instance). But even if nothing else turns up, his legacy will probably be similar to that of Woody Hayes.
Mike
Mike
Maryann Pulaski
Jan 23, 2012, 10:30:19 PM1/23/12
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Hoov; You want Sandusky's throbbing bone in your ass, don't you, oh
toothless one?
toothless one?
Maryann Pulaski
Jan 23, 2012, 10:34:47 PM1/23/12
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And all the juvenile pot head jock sniffers too!
They want Sandusky's jumbo in their Mom's ass!
They want Sandusky's jumbo in their Mom's ass!
Maryann Pulaski
Jan 23, 2012, 10:39:47 PM1/23/12
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Paterno=POS!!!
Maryann Pulaski
Jan 23, 2012, 10:31:25 PM1/23/12
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Paterno= Big POS!!!!!
Maryann Pulaski
Jan 23, 2012, 10:40:27 PM1/23/12
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Paterno= C/S
Maryann Pulaski
Jan 23, 2012, 10:41:17 PM1/23/12
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Paterno= Your dad on ther knob!!!
Maryann Pulaski
Jan 23, 2012, 10:45:29 PM1/23/12
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Your Mom took it up the ass from JoePa,
and loved it!!
Go Happy Valley!!!!
Little boy pussy!!!!
Candle Light Jack Off!!!
All together now!!!!
Scumbag teeny potheads!!!!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
and loved it!!
Go Happy Valley!!!!
Little boy pussy!!!!
Candle Light Jack Off!!!
All together now!!!!
Scumbag teeny potheads!!!!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
Hoover
Jan 24, 2012, 5:45:06 AM1/24/12
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Hoover
Jan 24, 2012, 5:44:58 AM1/24/12
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On Jan 23, 10:34 pm, DaRi...@webtv.net (Maryann Pulaski) wrote:
> And all the juvenile pot head jock sniffers too!
> They want Sandusky's jumbo in their Mom's ass!
troll
> And all the juvenile pot head jock sniffers too!
> They want Sandusky's jumbo in their Mom's ass!
The Undead Edward M. Kennedy
Jan 24, 2012, 11:30:24 AM1/24/12
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"Jim G." <jimg...@geemail.com> wrote
>> >> : Anti-Catholic bigotry noted.
>> >>
>> >> Heh. No.
>> >>
>> >> The Catholic Church has done more to harm children than 100 Sanduskys.
>> >
>> > Just as it's appropriate to identify the Happy Valley problem as
>> > Sandusky and Paterno and a few other enablers instead of blaming all of
>> > Penn State past and present, it's also appropriate to identify the
>> > Catholic problem by individual instead of smearing everyone with broad
>> > strokes.
>>
>> It would take to long too dig up the name of every priest involved.
>
> Which speaks to the size of the Church. Sadly, it would take equally
> long to dig up the name of every person involved in any other group of
> comparable size, as well. Again, the Church has no monopoly on perverts,
Actually, I think it does. I don't mean by any stretch to slam Catholicism
>> >> : Anti-Catholic bigotry noted.
>> >>
>> >> Heh. No.
>> >>
>> >> The Catholic Church has done more to harm children than 100 Sanduskys.
>> >
>> > Just as it's appropriate to identify the Happy Valley problem as
>> > Sandusky and Paterno and a few other enablers instead of blaming all of
>> > Penn State past and present, it's also appropriate to identify the
>> > Catholic problem by individual instead of smearing everyone with broad
>> > strokes.
>>
>> It would take to long too dig up the name of every priest involved.
>
> Which speaks to the size of the Church. Sadly, it would take equally
> long to dig up the name of every person involved in any other group of
> comparable size, as well. Again, the Church has no monopoly on perverts,
(I'm a reformed Catholic myself). It's just a "victim" of circumstance as
gays, or at least guys not interested in marrying, have been funneled into
the priesthood because of that (probably more so historically). It's a
place for such inclined men to have a socially acceptable place in life.
Are all priests gay? Of course not, but I do think there is a higher
proportion of gays in the priesthood than the general population. And
no, most of them are not pedophiles. But it doesn't surprise in the
least that we see a lot of pedophiles in the priesthood. I'd be baffled
if there weren't.
--Tedward
The Undead Edward M. Kennedy
Jan 24, 2012, 11:41:17 AM1/24/12
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"Jim G." <jimg...@geemail.com> wrote
>> >> > > It's very sad that this man's legacy will forever be tied to the
>> >> > > actions of an assistant coach. RIP Joe
>> >> >
>> >> > No, his legacy will forever be tied to his own inaction.
>> >> >
>> >> Like the Catholic church.
>> >
>> > Like some *individuals* within the Catholic church, just as folks are
>> > singling out Paterno for his enabling inaction instead of blaming
>> > everyone at Penn State for it.
>>
>> I, for one, blame everyone at Penn State for it. Alumni too.
>
> I recommend picking a random person with PSU connections to take all of
> the blame, and to rotate people on a daily basis. It's more fun that way
> than it is to blame everyone at once, as that allows people to get lost
> in the crowd.
>
> "You, Joe Smith of the Class of 1973! It's your day to be the pond scum,
> you maggot! Get over here and tell me your excuse for not doing
> something!"
I am reminded of a catholic priest at my parochial school. He would
>> >> > > It's very sad that this man's legacy will forever be tied to the
>> >> > > actions of an assistant coach. RIP Joe
>> >> >
>> >> > No, his legacy will forever be tied to his own inaction.
>> >> >
>> >> Like the Catholic church.
>> >
>> > Like some *individuals* within the Catholic church, just as folks are
>> > singling out Paterno for his enabling inaction instead of blaming
>> > everyone at Penn State for it.
>>
>> I, for one, blame everyone at Penn State for it. Alumni too.
>
> I recommend picking a random person with PSU connections to take all of
> the blame, and to rotate people on a daily basis. It's more fun that way
> than it is to blame everyone at once, as that allows people to get lost
> in the crowd.
>
> "You, Joe Smith of the Class of 1973! It's your day to be the pond scum,
> you maggot! Get over here and tell me your excuse for not doing
> something!"
smoke IN CHURCH. This wasn't allowed, but back in the 60's, people
smoked everywhere. He would hold the cigarette behind his back when
a nun was present. Everyone knew he was smoking -- you could the
smoke curling up from above his body -- but nobody said anything.
It was just a curtesy to faux hide it.
--Tedward
Hoover
Jan 24, 2012, 5:16:04 PM1/24/12
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On Jan 23, 10:30 pm, DaRi...@webtv.net (Maryann Pulaski) wrote:
> Hoov; You want Sandusky's throbbing bone in your ass, don't you, oh
> toothless one?
troll - which sock are you?
> Hoov; You want Sandusky's throbbing bone in your ass, don't you, oh
> toothless one?
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