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Knee-jerk: Vick Should Be Suspended Indefinitely

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Solnichka Frankenstein

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Jul 18, 2007, 10:35:39 AM7/18/07
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Cruelty to animals really is the sign of a psychopath.

Dennis J

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Jul 18, 2007, 10:56:22 AM7/18/07
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Solnichka Frankenstein <solnichkaf...@gmail.com>, why do you
sit there looking like an envelope without any address on it?

>http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/07/17/dohrmann.vick/index.html
>
>Cruelty to animals really is the sign of a psychopath.

I think a fitting punishment would be to wet down vick then shock him
a few times like they did in leathal Weapon....

oh and I think a lifetime ban from Football, at all levels would be
fitting.

then give him some crack, because that's all he'll be good for when he
finally finishes his prison terms.

the other real question is: how much money will his Agent spent to
defend him?

Kennedy

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Jul 18, 2007, 12:02:52 PM7/18/07
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"Solnichka Frankenstein" <solnichkaf...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/07/17/dohrmann.vick/index.html
>
> Cruelty to animals really is the sign of a psychopath.

If the Falcons were smart, here's the path they would take starting today
(and this is only if the NFL doesn't take action first):

1) Bench Vick until the trial is over. If he is found innocent, simply
benching him doesn't open them up to a lawsuit like a suspension. If he
pleads or is found guilty, then release him without hesitation. Let him
practice with the team in the meantime, but no playing time in the preseason
or regular season until the trial is over.

2) Sign Daunte Culpepper ASAP to a 1yr deal.

3) Remove Vick as the face of the organization. Replace him on promotional
material with someone of substance....like Warrick Dunn.

4) Do not sell any Vick related merchandise through the team shop until the
trial is over.

Wait for the trial to conclude. If Vick is found innocent, then *nothing* in
the above has influenced or damaged his image.

What the above does is send a message to other teams and their players: If
you are arrested, indicted or charged with anything more than a very low
level misdemeanor (like a traffic violation...not DWI, DUI, assualt, sex
crime, act of violence) you will lose playing time until the matter is
resolved. No more wait and see approach to the problem.

If (and really, it looks more like when) Vick is found or pleads guilty, he
should be released that same day. The NFL should suspend him for a minimum
of two years, not counting any time he serves. So he goes away for one year,
his suspension starts when he is released from jail. With any luck, the
trial takes until the end of this season, he serves 2-3 years and then
serves a two year suspension. That'd be around 5-6 years without any NFL
playing time. Very doubtful he'd ever set foot on an NFL field again.


Dennis J

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Jul 18, 2007, 12:13:39 PM7/18/07
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"Kennedy" <kenne...@gmail.com>, why do you sit there looking like

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>"Solnichka Frankenstein" <solnichkaf...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/07/17/dohrmann.vick/index.html
>>
>> Cruelty to animals really is the sign of a psychopath.
>
>If the Falcons were smart, here's the path they would take starting today
>(and this is only if the NFL doesn't take action first):
>
>1) Bench Vick until the trial is over. If he is found innocent, simply
>benching him doesn't open them up to a lawsuit like a suspension. If he
>pleads or is found guilty, then release him without hesitation. Let him
>practice with the team in the meantime, but no playing time in the preseason
>or regular season until the trial is over.
>
>2) Sign Daunte Culpepper ASAP to a 1yr deal.
>
>3) Remove Vick as the face of the organization. Replace him on promotional
>material with someone of substance....like Warrick Dunn.
>
>4) Do not sell any Vick related merchandise through the team shop until the
>trial is over.
>
>Wait for the trial to conclude. If Vick is found innocent, then *nothing* in
>the above has influenced or damaged his image.
>
>What the above does is send a message to other teams and their players: If
>you are arrested, indicted or charged with anything more than a very low
>level misdemeanor (like a traffic violation...not DWI, DUI, assualt, sex
>crime, act of violence) you will lose playing time until the matter is
>resolved. No more wait and see approach to the problem.
>
Lombardi Woulda released him the day the indictment went public.

Benching him does incur financial damages, with incentives for
performance in his contract.

Kennedy

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Jul 18, 2007, 12:54:28 PM7/18/07
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"Dennis J" <drju...@verizon.netSCRAPE.COM> wrote in message
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True, but it doesn't leave him room to sue the team for damaging his image
as a suspension would if he was found innocent. Players get benched all the
time and very, very few are able to successfully sue for financial loss due
to incentives not being met.

Dan S.

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Jul 18, 2007, 1:12:16 PM7/18/07
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Solnichka Frankenstein pretended :

> http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/07/17/dohrmann.vick/index.html
>
> Cruelty to animals really is the sign of a psychopath.

One need only look to the ancient Romans and the Coliseum to determine
that there is indeed some deep-seeded facination with death, blood and
gore -- heck, just look at the gory

--

Yours,
Dan S.

Probably not a fan of your team either.


Dan S.

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Jul 18, 2007, 1:14:22 PM7/18/07
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on 7/18/2007, Dan S. supposed :.

> just look at the gory movies

--

Yours,
Dan S.

Puedes corregir mi español... me gusta ... llámame masoquisto.


stephenj

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Jul 18, 2007, 1:51:04 PM7/18/07
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Solnichka Frankenstein wrote:
> http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/07/17/dohrmann.vick/index.html
>

probably should be cut on grounds of being a not very good QB.


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hoover

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Jul 18, 2007, 6:23:48 PM7/18/07
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I'd strip him down, cover him with honey and hang him from a flagpole in the
middle of bee season. Screw him

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Kennedy

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Jul 18, 2007, 6:39:16 PM7/18/07
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> I'd strip him down, cover him with honey and hang him from a flagpole in
> the middle of bee season. Screw him

Bees make honey, so probably doesn't do any good to cover him in it. If
you're going to cover him in honey, then do so right outside a bear cave the
first warm day of spring.


hoover

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Jul 18, 2007, 8:02:01 PM7/18/07
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okay i'd do that

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Dennis J

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Jul 18, 2007, 10:32:19 PM7/18/07
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"Kennedy" <kenne...@gmail.com>, why do you sit there looking like
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nah that' would be over with too quick... make it honey in a Texas
field of Fire Ants....

tom_sa...@yahoo.com

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Jul 19, 2007, 8:00:05 AM7/19/07
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On Jul 18, 12:02 pm, "Kennedy" <kennedy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> If the Falcons were smart, here's the path they would take starting today
> (and this is only if the NFL doesn't take action first):
>
> 1) Bench Vick until the trial is over. If he is found innocent, simply
> benching him doesn't open them up to a lawsuit like a suspension. If he
> pleads or is found guilty, then release him without hesitation. Let him
> practice with the team in the meantime, but no playing time in the preseason
> or regular season until the trial is over.
>

I don't see how they even allow him at camp, especially given that
they have a new system under a new head coach. It's hard enough to
install a new system, much less having to answe dog-fighting questions
at every media event.

> 2) Sign Daunte Culpepper ASAP to a 1yr deal.
>

I'm not sure that there is an alternative. But then, I'm doubtful
that we'll hear something other than, "with the first pick of the 2008
draft, the Atlanta Falcons select..."

> 3) Remove Vick as the face of the organization. Replace him on promotional
> material with someone of substance....like Warrick Dunn.
>

Nothing against Warrick Dunn, who I understand is a reputable person,
but I wonder if there is anyone else who will be implicated in the dog
fighting. I would have a hard time believing that Vick could keep
this under wraps for the years specified in the indictment.

> 4) Do not sell any Vick related merchandise through the team shop until the
> trial is over.
>

Who would buy his stuff at this point? Well, except for a few Redskin
players.

If suspended, I wouldn't be surprised if the Falcons released and then
sued him. Season tickets, merchandise, and team sponsors are all
adversely affected by this issue.

If found guilty, I'm not sure who would want to pick him up...I think
that even the Raiders would take a pass.

Jaybyrd

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Jul 19, 2007, 11:59:21 AM7/19/07
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On Jul 18, 10:35 am, Solnichka Frankenstein
<solnichkafrankenst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/07/17/dohrmann.vic...

>
> Cruelty to animals really is the sign of a psychopath.

This reminds me that everyone thinks Michael Irvin should be a shoe-in
for the HOF.

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