States are seeing budget surpluses
CheeseHusker dos
according to this:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jul/17/many-states-celebrate-surpluses-as-congress-strugg/
Willie Mays Hayes
> Interesting.....about a dozen states should see surpluses this year
> according to this:
>
Yep. The Dems here have been railing about how we should be spending
that half billion, not saving it. I just shake my head. How do these
folks manage their own household budget if they feel the need to spend
every dime the minute they have it?
deem...@aol.com
The easiest thing ro do is spend other peoples' money ($1)
Carl Lundstedt
There will be more. That's what more MEANS! ($ long lost 80s show
Dinosaurs)
Carl
Con Reeder, unhyphenated American
Who wants to guess the governor's party for 83% of those states?
--
I don't want to get to the end of my life and find I have just
lived the length of it. I want to have lived the width of it as
well. -- Diane Ackerman
Antonio Veranos
[Wed, 20 Jul 2011 12:10:43 -0500]
: Who wants to guess the governor's party for 83% of those states?
Who gives a shit? The policies enacted are far more important than the
political party of the people enacting them.
--
Antonio Veranos
<insert witty comment here>
TimV
> On 2011-07-20, CheeseHusker dos<jonr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Interesting.....about a dozen states should see surpluses this year
>> according to this:
>>
>> http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jul/17/many-states-celebrate-surpluses-as-congress-strugg/
>
> Who wants to guess the governor's party for 83% of those states?
>
In my state's case, I don't think you can exactly give credit to the
current Republican governor. She wasn't in office until January and had
nothing to do with this year's budget (enacted under a Democrat). We
will give her credit for anything for next year as her budget walloped a
couple hundred million off next fiscal year.
T
deem...@aol.com
<consta...@duxmail.com> wrote:
> On 2011-07-20, CheeseHusker dos <jonrus...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Interesting.....about a dozen states should see surpluses this year
> > according to this:
>
>
> Who wants to guess the governor's party for 83% of those states?
How about the legislatures?
Con Reeder, unhyphenated American
The voters of your state are the ones that mostly deserve the
credit...
--
Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently equipped fool. -- unknown
Con Reeder, unhyphenated American
> [Con Reeder, unhyphenated American, cons...@duxmail.com]
> [Wed, 20 Jul 2011 12:10:43 -0500]
>
>: Who wants to guess the governor's party for 83% of those states?
>
> Who gives a shit? The policies enacted are far more important than the
> political party of the people enacting them.
Yes, but which party is more likely to enact policies that spend
money wisely? If that party was the Democrats, which one would I want
to vote for?
I have voted for plenty of Democrats in my time. Not the last
election, because I felt that the entire party should pay for 1) the
abomination of Obamacare being rammed through, 2) ARRA, and 3) the
bailout of GM. A long-time Democratic state rep went bye-bye in my
quite conservative district for exactly that reason -- people who had
previously been willing to crossover didn't.
Antonio Veranos
: >: Who wants to guess the governor's party for 83% of those states?
: >
: > Who gives a shit? The policies enacted are far more important than the
: > political party of the people enacting them.
:
: Yes, but which party is more likely to enact policies that spend
: money wisely?
Sorry, I don't buy into that bullshit line of argument and feel deeply
sorry for those who do. Such people are destroying our country.
Con Reeder, unhyphenated American
> On Jul 20, 1:10?pm, "Con Reeder, unhyphenated American"
I see no one needs to really needs to guess the party. The
legislatures are much the same. I believe it is 8 fully controlled by
Republicans, one split, two Democratic. Nine Republican governors,
two Democrat.
Of course the biggest amount of credit goes not to the party, but
to the balanced budget requirements of almost every state. (Not that
Illinois or California have ever paid much attention to that.)
The point is, this stuff can be done. It is a question of being willing to
dismantle programs that aren't pulling their weight. If you don't have
a balanced budget requirement, the incentive to dismantle programs is
reduced greatly.
--
An alien from Mars would almost instantly diagnose the problem of the
Palestinians from simply listening to their inane apologists: The
problem is not the acquisition of the final seven percent of the West
Bank denied in the offer to them at Camp David, but the pathology of a
victim culture, one that has learned, through playing the card of
terror with simultaneous appeals to multicultural guilt, how to shake
down Westerners for their money, attention, and pity.
-Victor Davis Hanson
Con Reeder, unhyphenated American
> [Wed, 20 Jul 2011 12:58:55 -0500]
>
>: >: Who wants to guess the governor's party for 83% of those states?
>: >
>: > Who gives a shit? The policies enacted are far more important than the
>: > political party of the people enacting them.
>:
>: Yes, but which party is more likely to enact policies that spend
>: money wisely?
>
> Sorry, I don't buy into that bullshit line of argument and feel deeply
> sorry for those who do.
What a cop-out. It is clear which party has been the restraint on
spending. When Democrats have controlled both houses and the
executive at the same time, spending has exploded. The last two
times, the economy has tanked.
Not to say that the Republicans from 2000-2006 did much better.
They were awesomely bad, which sentiment I will try to drive home to
Dick Lugar as I work to primary his ass.
> Such people are destroying our country.
Huh? If you aren't a waffling fake moderate, you are destroying
the country? Who knew?
--
"there are, indeed, few things that are more frightening than the
steadily increasing prestige of scientifically minded brain trusters
in the councils of government during the last decades. The trouble is
not that they are cold-blooded enough to 'think the unthinkable,' but
that they do not think. Instead of indulging in such an old-fashioned,
uncomputerizable activity, they reckon with the consequences of certain
hypothetically assumed constellations without, however, being able to test
their hypotheses against actual occurrences. The logical flaw in these
hypothetical constructions of future events is always the same: what
first appears as a hypothesis -- with or without its implied alternatives,
according to the level of sophistication -- turns immediately, usually
after a few paragraphs, into a 'fact,' which then gives birth to a whole
string of similar non-facts, with the result that the purely speculative
character of the whole enterprise is forgotten." -- Hannah Arendt, 1970.
xyzzy
> [Con Reeder, unhyphenated American, consta...@duxmail.com]
> [Wed, 20 Jul 2011 12:58:55 -0500]
>
> : >: Who wants to guess the governor's party for 83% of those states?
> : >
> : > Who gives a shit? The policies enacted are far more important than the
> : > political party of the people enacting them.
> :
> : Yes, but which party is more likely to enact policies that spend
> : money wisely?
>
> Sorry, I don't buy into that bullshit line of argument and feel deeply
> sorry for those who do. Such people are destroying our country.
>
He means, even Republican governors can benefit from the Obama
recovery!
;)
xyzzy
> > [Wed, 20 Jul 2011 12:58:55 -0500]
>
> >: >: Who wants to guess the governor's party for 83% of those states?
> >: >
> >: > Who gives a shit? The policies enacted are far more important than the
> >: > political party of the people enacting them.
> >:
> >: Yes, but which party is more likely to enact policies that spend
> >: money wisely?
>
> > Sorry, I don't buy into that bullshit line of argument and feel deeply
> > sorry for those who do.
>
> What a cop-out. It is clear which party has been the restraint on
> spending. When Democrats have controlled both houses and the
> executive at the same time, spending has exploded.
What happened with spending the last time Republicans controlled both
houses and the executive (2001-2007)?
lein
wrote:
> [Con Reeder, unhyphenated American, consta...@duxmail.com]
> [Wed, 20 Jul 2011 12:58:55 -0500]
>
> : >: Who wants to guess the governor's party for 83% of those states?
> : >
> : > Who gives a shit? The policies enacted are far more important than the
> : > political party of the people enacting them.
> :
> : Yes, but which party is more likely to enact policies that spend
> : money wisely?
>
IFYPFY
lein
And Democrat Governor's can't? That doesn't make sense.
Antonio Veranos
: >: Yes, but which party is more likely to enact policies that spend
: >: money wisely?
: >
: > Sorry, I don't buy into that bullshit line of argument and feel deeply
: > sorry for those who do.
:
: What a cop-out.
Look up that term you're misusing.
: It is clear which party has been the restraint on
: spending. When Democrats have controlled both houses and the
: executive at the same time, spending has exploded. The last two
: times, the economy has tanked.
:
: Not to say that the Republicans from 2000-2006 did much better.
: They were awesomely bad, which sentiment I will try to drive home to
: Dick Lugar as I work to primary his ass.
It's not about the parties, you partisan dolt.
: > Such people are destroying our country.
:
: Huh? If you aren't a waffling fake moderate, you are destroying
: the country? Who knew?
Ah, so people who evaluate the issues and think for themselves rather
than going by party affiliation first and brain (maybe) second, those
people are "fake", eh? What bullshit.
The fact is that every person out there who sees party first and issue
second needs to be dragged into the street and shot in the goddamn face.
Such people are RUINING what was once the greatest nation in history.
deem...@aol.com
<consta...@duxmail.com> wrote:
> On 2011-07-20, deemsb...@aol.com <deemsb...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 20, 1:10?pm, "Con Reeder, unhyphenated American"
> ><consta...@duxmail.com> wrote:
> >> On 2011-07-20, CheeseHusker dos <jonrus...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> > Interesting.....about a dozen states should see surpluses this year
> >> > according to this:
>
> >> >http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jul/17/many-states-celebrate...
>
> >> Who wants to guess the governor's party for 83% of those states?
>
> > How about the legislatures?
>
> I see no one needs to really needs to guess the party. The
> legislatures are much the same. I believe it is 8 fully controlled by
> Republicans, one split, two Democratic. Nine Republican governors,
> two Democrat.
>
> Of course the biggest amount of credit goes not to the party, but
> to the balanced budget requirements of almost every state. (Not that
> Illinois or California have ever paid much attention to that.)
>
> The point is, this stuff can be done. It is a question of being willing to
> dismantle programs that aren't pulling their weight. If you don't have
> a balanced budget requirement, the incentive to dismantle programs is
> reduced greatly.
Agreed. The question with the existing Fed problem is how much of
a cure can we implement without it becoming a poison? I'd like to see
a balanced budget amendment....but we didn't get in this mess
overnight and won't get out of it quickly. The first step, though, is
to stop digging....or at least downsize the spade.
lein
Tom Delay is no longer running the Republicans, they have changed
(been forced to change) by elections.
Unlike the Democrats who are still lead by Pelosi/Reid.
xyzzy
Well, close. That change was actually forced by DeLay being indicted
for corruption.
> Unlike the Democrats who are still lead by Pelosi/Reid.
A lot of us are not happy about that, though I suspect for different
reasons than you are.
deem...@aol.com
> [Con Reeder, unhyphenated American, consta...@duxmail.com]
>
> : Who wants to guess the governor's party for 83% of those states?
>
> Who gives a shit? The policies enacted are far more important than the
> political party of the people enacting them.
Um, what rock have you been living under?????????????????
Antonio Veranos
[Wed, 20 Jul 2011 10:26:44 -0700 (PDT)]
: > : Who wants to guess the governor's party for 83% of those states?
: >
: > Who gives a shit? The policies enacted are far more important than the
: > political party of the people enacting them.
:
: Um, what rock have you been living under?????????????????
I'm aware of the polidiocy in our country which puts party ahead of all
else; that doesn't mean I have to like or accept it.
deem...@aol.com
> [deemsb...@aol.com, deemsb...@aol.com]
> [Wed, 20 Jul 2011 10:26:44 -0700 (PDT)]
>
> : > : Who wants to guess the governor's party for 83% of those states?
> : >
> : > Who gives a shit? The policies enacted are far more important than the
> : > political party of the people enacting them.
> :
> : Um, what rock have you been living under?????????????????
>
> I'm aware of the polidiocy in our country which puts party ahead of all
> else; that doesn't mean I have to like or accept it.
Okay...carry on.
Con Reeder, unhyphenated American
Excuse me. One has to stand in awe of a person like yourself, who can
evaluate hundreds of issues at great depth, while attempting to live
their life as well. And in the process achieve a deep level of
understanding in the process, one that allows them to make independent
decisions on dozens of candidate races.
--
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps
US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists
worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct
from natural variation." - Bob Carter
Con Reeder, unhyphenated American
> On Jul 20, 2:15?pm, "Con Reeder, unhyphenated American"
><consta...@duxmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2011-07-20, Antonio Veranos <nos...@thanksverymuch.com> wrote:
>>
>> > [Con Reeder, unhyphenated American, consta...@duxmail.com]
>> > [Wed, 20 Jul 2011 12:58:55 -0500]
>>
>> >: >: Who wants to guess the governor's party for 83% of those states?
>> >: >
>> >: > political party of the people enacting them. ?
>> >:
>> >: Yes, but which party is more likely to enact policies that spend
>> >: money wisely?
>>
>> > Sorry, I don't buy into that bullshit line of argument and feel deeply
>> > sorry for those who do.
>>
>> What a cop-out. It is clear which party has been the restraint on
>> spending. When Democrats have controlled both houses and the
>> executive at the same time, spending has exploded.
>
> What happened with spending the last time Republicans controlled both
> houses and the executive (2001-2007)?
I see you snipped the next paragraph of my post, which mentioned
the abominable performance of that collection.
--
Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in
overalls and looks like work. -- Thomas Edison
Antonio Veranos
: >: Huh? If you aren't a waffling fake moderate, you are destroying
: >: the country? Who knew?
: >
: > Ah, so people who evaluate the issues and think for themselves rather
: > than going by party affiliation first and brain (maybe) second, those
: > people are "fake", eh? What bullshit.
: >
: > The fact is that every person out there who sees party first and issue
: > second needs to be dragged into the street and shot in the goddamn face.
: > Such people are RUINING what was once the greatest nation in history.
:
: Excuse me. One has to stand in awe of a person like yourself, who can
: evaluate hundreds of issues at great depth, while attempting to live
: their life as well. And in the process achieve a deep level of
: understanding in the process, one that allows them to make independent
: decisions on dozens of candidate races.
Just making stuff up now? Why comment (or vote) on an issue which you
don't understand... just because your party's going a certain way?
Seriously, how irresponsible.
Con Reeder, unhyphenated American
I think you need to change the battery on your trolling motor.
--
Fast, reliable, cheap. Pick two and we'll talk.
-- unknown
Antonio Veranos
:
You attack me for thinking for myself, not once but twice, and you try
to pawn that bullshit off as me being the one trolling? Tsk...
xyzzy
<consta...@duxmail.com> wrote:
> On 2011-07-20, xyzzy <xyzzy.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 20, 2:15?pm, "Con Reeder, unhyphenated American"
> ><consta...@duxmail.com> wrote:
> >> On 2011-07-20, Antonio Veranos <nos...@thanksverymuch.com> wrote:
>
> >> > [Con Reeder, unhyphenated American, consta...@duxmail.com]
> >> > [Wed, 20 Jul 2011 12:58:55 -0500]
>
> >> >: >: Who wants to guess the governor's party for 83% of those states?
> >> >: >
> >> >: > Who gives a shit? ?The policies enacted are far more important than the
> >> >: > political party of the people enacting them. ?
> >> >:
> >> >: Yes, but which party is more likely to enact policies that spend
> >> >: money wisely?
>
> >> > Sorry, I don't buy into that bullshit line of argument and feel deeply
> >> > sorry for those who do.
>
> >> What a cop-out. It is clear which party has been the restraint on
> >> spending. When Democrats have controlled both houses and the
> >> executive at the same time, spending has exploded.
>
> > What happened with spending the last time Republicans controlled both
> > houses and the executive (2001-2007)?
>
> I see you snipped the next paragraph of my post, which mentioned
> the abominable performance of that collection.
Mainly because I replied before reading that far. Not my best effort.
Dennis J
been through solid matter, for crying out loud. Who knows what's
happened to his brain? Maybe it's scrambled his molecules...
ahh to be a party hack... beware of thinking with partisan brain it
leads to DOLE-Itus.... and a Dem Victory in 1012.
--
"It�s been so difficult to get out of this recession because of the disequilibrium in the real economy.�" -- Paul Volcker
"Education is the progressive discovery of our own Ignorance" Will Durant
"One can't have a sense of perspective without a sense of Humor" -- Wayne Thiboux
"the Glass is not only half full, it has been delicious so far!!" -- ME
To reply, SCRAPE off the end bits.
xyzzy
> hey, "Con Reeder, unhyphenated American" <consta...@duxmail.com>'s
> been through solid matter, for crying out loud. Who knows what's
> happened to his brain? Maybe it's scrambled his molecules...
>
>
>
>
>
> >On 2011-07-20, TimV <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >> On 7/20/2011 12:10 PM, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:
> >>>> Interesting.....about a dozen states should see surpluses this year
> >>>> according to this:
>
>
> >>> Who wants to guess the governor's party for 83% of those states?
>
> >> In my state's case, I don't think you can exactly give credit to the
> >> current Republican governor. She wasn't in office until January and had
> >> nothing to do with this year's budget (enacted under a Democrat). We
> >> will give her credit for anything for next year as her budget walloped a
> >> couple hundred million off next fiscal year.
>
> >The voters of your state are the ones that mostly deserve the
> >credit...
>
> ahh to be a party hack... beware of thinking with partisan brain it
> leads to DOLE-Itus.... and a Dem Victory in 1012.
Dude, don't blame us. We tried warn the GOP that Aethelred was
unelectable.
Thomas R. Kettler
<37bc6379-4d93-451f...@s17g2000yqs.googlegroups.com>,
xyzzy <xyzzy...@gmail.com> wrote:
Will they retreat to Hadrian's Wall?
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Remove blown from email address to reply.
TimV
You joke, but there are substantial numbers within the Republican party
that wouldn't mind it being 1012. Just think: 1) for all practical
purposes, you own your workforce so labor costs are low and most the
workforce dies before 50 so no pension costs; 2) the church and state
are inexorably linked; 3) in just a few years, we can deal with all of
our internal problems by sending everyone to the middle east to kill
lots of muslims.
T
The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior
>
> - Show quoted text -
Hmmmmm......
Of course, living in Madison as I do, I know plenty of members of the
Garrison Keillor wing on the Dem Party - the one in which everyone's
completely equal in all ways and everybody gets to ride a carbon free
unicorn, so I suppose it all evens out in the end anyway.
Dennis J
Ahhh the good old days thanks for understanding my Typo...
TimV
We don't have too many of those here. The Dems here mostly consist of
conservative ethnic minorities and people that still haven't forgiven
Lincoln.
T
CheeseHusker dos
Wanna trade a few? Just to mix things up a bit
Kyle T. Jones
>> [Wed, 20 Jul 2011 12:58:55 -0500]
>>
>> : >
>> : money wisely?
>>
>> Sorry, I don't buy into that bullshit line of argument and feel deeply
>> sorry for those who do.
>
> What a cop-out. It is clear which party has been the restraint on
> spending. When Democrats have controlled both houses and the
> times, the economy has tanked.
>
Awesomely, I've been predicting the Carterfication of Obama since
January 2009 - here, proof:
I'll admit - I thought it'd take a decade or two. Da ballz on yous guys!@!@
Cheers.
"And the Carterfication of Obama begins. Trust me on this, in twenty
years Mike'll be claiming the markets and economy were doing JUST SUPER
until Obama took over.
Cheers."