Given the choice of Hillary or Trump

[The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior]

I'd take another term of Obama

[agavi...@gmail.com]

+1

[Con Reeder, unhyphenated American]

On 2016-05-05, the_andr...@yahoo.com <agavi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1

Nah, I don't mind Clinton stealing money if she doesn't steal
as much liberty as Obama has.

--
An alien from Mars would almost instantly diagnose the problem of the
Palestinians from simply listening to their inane apologists: The
problem is not the acquisition of the final seven percent of the West
Bank denied in the offer to them at Camp David, but the pathology of a
victim culture, one that has learned, through playing the card of
terror with simultaneous appeals to multicultural guilt, how to shake
down Westerners for their money, attention, and pity.
-Victor Davis Hanson

[agavi...@gmail.com]

Remember, she is the one that lay the groundwork for socialized medicine.

[xyzzy]

On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 7:26:32 AM UTC-4, The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior wrote:
> I'd take another term of Obama

"Do we really need a new president? Can't we just keep the one we have?" ($)

[GrtArtiste]

On 5/5/2016 7:26 AM, The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior wrote:
> I'd take another term of Obama
>

Hillary...don't like her at all, but I'd rather have two terms of her
than even one day of teh Donald.

GrtArtiste

[xyzzy]

On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 8:15:57 AM UTC-4, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:
> On 2016-05-05, the_andr...@yahoo.com <agavi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > +1
>
> Nah, I don't mind Clinton stealing money if she doesn't steal
> as much liberty as Obama has.

IOW, "Vote for the crook. It's important"

A Louisiana classic that's been recycled a few times.

[Con Reeder, unhyphenated American]

Crooks can be crooks in many ways. Stealing is stealing, no matter
what your motive.

There is something to be said for the honest politician, i.e. the
one that stays bought. Preferable to an Obama, who can't be relied
on to keep his word in any particular.

--
Experience is what allows you to recognize a mistake the second time you
make it. -- unknown

[CtrlAltDel]

President Trump's tenure will encase one of the greatest job creation
periods to storm Murica since the Industrial Revolution and many people
hate the very idea of that.

You can certainly feel free to live in Mexico like all the ultra-rich
buffoonish types who live and think like children. Of course, you will
have to apply for citizenship and wait a good bit before being allowed
legally into that nation, if ever at all.

Luckily, for them, their massive amounts of cash will help them oh so
greatly in the application process. Do you have the monetary influence
to immediately become a Mexican citizen or will you have to wait like all
the other poor people who don't have millions?

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Thu, 5 May 2016 04:26:30 -0700 (PDT), "The Cheesehusker, Trade
Warrior" <Iamtj...@gmail.com> wrote:

>I'd take another term of Obama

Other than personality what do you dislike about Trump?

Ireceived the below e-mail yesterday and I agree with most NOT ALL (I
say again NOT ALL) of it. That will help you list your disagreements.

Hugh

Donald Trump-"Who He REALLY Is", by Chuck Yeager

The criticisms of Trump are amazingly missing something. They are
lacking in negative stories from those who work for him or have had
business dealings with him. After all the employees he's had and all
the business deals he's made there is a void of criticism. In fact,
long term employees call him a strong and merciful leader and say he
is far more righteous and of high integrity than people may think.

And while it may surprise many, he's actually humble when it comes to
his generosity and kindness. A good example is a story that tells of
his limo breaking down on a deserted highway outside of New York City.
A middle-aged couple stopped to help him and as a thank you he paid
off their mortgage, but he didn't brag about that. Generous and good
people rarely talk of charity they bestow on others. But as much as
all this is interesting, the real thing that people want to know is
what Donald Trump's plan is for America. It's funny how so many people
say they don't know what it is, or they act like Trump is hiding it.

The information is readily available if people would just do a little
homework. But, since most Americans won't do their own research, here,
in no particular order, is an overview of many of Trumps positions and
plans:
* 1.) Trump believes that America should not intervene militarily in
other country's problems without being compensated for doing so. If
America is going to risk the lives of our soldiers and incur the
expense of going to war, then the nations we help must be willing to
pay for our help.

Using the Iraq War as an example, he cites the huge monetary expense
to American taxpayers (over $1.5 trillion, and possibly much more
depending on what sources are used to determine the cost) in addition
to the painful cost in human life. He suggests that Iraq should have
been required to give us enough of their oil to pay for the expenses
we incurred. He includes in those expenses the medical costs for our
military and $5 million for each family that lost a loved one in the
war and $2 million for each family of soldiers who received severe
injuries.

* 2.) Speaking of the military, Trump wants America to have a strong
military again. He believes the single most important function of the
federal government is national defense. He has said he wants to find
the General Patton or General MacArthur that could lead our military
buildup back to the strength it needs to be. While he hasn't said it
directly that I know of, Trump's attitude about America and about
winning tells me he'd most likely be quick to eliminate rules of
engagement that handicap our military in battle. Clearly Trump is a
"win at all costs" kind of guy, and I'm sure that would apply to our
national defense and security, too.

* 3.) Trump wants a strong foreign policy and believes that it must
include 8 core principles (which seem to support my comment in the
last point): American interests come first. Always. No apologies.
Maximum firepower and military preparedness. Only go to war to win.
Stay loyal to your friends and suspicious of your enemies. Keep the
technological sword razor sharp. Prepare for threats before they
materialize. Respect and support our present and past warriors.
* 4.) Trump believes that terrorists who are captured should be
treated as military combatants, not as criminals like the Obama
administration treats them.

* 5.) Trump makes the point that China's manipulation of their
currency has given them unfair advantage in our trade dealings with
them. He says we must tax their imports to offset their currency
manipulation, which will cause American companies to be competitive
again and drive manufacturing back to America and create jobs here.
Although he sees China as the biggest offender, he believes that
America should protect itself from all foreign efforts to take our
jobs and manufacturing. For example, Ford is building a plant in
Mexico and Trump suggests that every part or vehicle Ford makes in
Mexico be taxed 35% if they want to bring it into the U. S., which
would cause companies like Ford to no longer be competitive using
their Mexican operations and move manufacturing back to the U. S.,
once again creating jobs here.

* 6.) Trump wants passage of NOPEC legislation (No Oil Producing and
Exporting Cartels Act - NOPEC -S.394), which would allow the
government to sue OPEC for violating antitrust laws. According to
Trump, that would break up the cartel. He also wants to unleash our
energy companies to drill domestically (sound like Sarah Palin's drill
baby, drill?) thereby increasing domestic production creating jobs and
driving domestic costs of oil and gas down while reducing dependence
on foreign oil.

* 7.) Trump believes a secure border is critical for both security and
prosperity in America. He wants to build a wall to stop illegals from
entering put controls on immigration. (And he says he'll get Mexico to
pay for the wall, which many have scoffed at, but given his business
successes I wouldn't put it past him.) He also wants to enforce our
immigration laws and provide no path to citizenship for illegals.

* 8.) Trump wants a radical change to the tax system to not only make
it better for average Americans, but also to encourage businesses to
stay here and foreign businesses to move here. The resulting influx of
money to our nation would do wonders for our economy. He wants to make
America the place to do business. He also wants to lower the death tax
and the taxes on capital gains and dividends. This would put more than
$1.6 trillion back into the economy and help rebuild the 1.5 million
jobs we've lost to the current tax system. He also wants to charge
companies who outsource jobs overseas a 20% tax, but for those willing
to move jobs back to America they would not be taxed.

And for citizens he has a tax plan that would allow Americans to keep
more of what they earn and spark economic growth. He wants to change
the personal income tax to: Up to $30,000 taxed at 1%. >From $30,000
to $100,000 taxed at 5%. From $100,000 to $1,000,000 taxed at 10%.
$1,000,000 and above taxed at 15%.

* 9.) Trump wants Obamacare repealed. He says it's a "job-killing,
health care-destroying monstrosity" that "can't be reformed, salvaged,
or fixed." He believes in allowing real competition in the health
insurnce marketplace to allow competition to drive prices down. He
also believes in tort reform to get rid of defensive medicine and
lower costs.

* 10.) Trump wants spending reforms in Washington, acknowledging that
America spends far more than it receives in revenue. He has said he
believes that if we don't stop increasing the national debt once it
hits $24 trillion it will be impossible to save this country. Even
though he says we need to cut spending, he does not want to harm those
on Medicare, Medicaid, or Social Security. He believes that the
citizens have faithfully paid in to the system to have these services
available and that the American government has an obligation to
fulfill its end of the bargain and provide those benefits. Therefore,
he wants to build the economy up so that we have the revenue to pay
those costs without cutting the benefits to the recipients. He
disagrees with Democrats who think raising taxes is the answer and
says that when you do that you stifle the economy. On the other hand,
when you lower taxes and create an environment to help businesses they
will grow, hire more workers, and those new workers will be paying
taxes that become more tax revenue for the government.

* 11.) Trump also wants a reform of the welfare state saying that
America needs "a safety net, not a hammock." He believes in a welfare
to work program that would help reduce the welfare roles and encourage
people to get back to work. And he wants a crackdown on entitlement
fraud.

* 12.) Trump believes climate change is a hoax.

* 13.) Trump opposes Common Core.

* 14.) Trump is pro-life, although he allows for an exception due to
rape, incest, or the life of the mother.

* 15.) Trump is pro 2nd Amendment rights.

* 16.) Trump's view on same-sex marriage is that marriage is between a
man and a woman, but he also believes that this is a states' rights
issue, not a federal issue.

* 17.) Trump supports the death penalty. Trump believes that there is
a lack of common sense, innovative thinking in Washington (Hmmm. looks
like he believes in horse sense!). He says it's about seeing the
unseen and that's the kind of thinking we need to turn this country
around. He tells a personal story to illustrate the point: "When I
opened Trump National Golf Club at Rancho Palos Verdes in Los Angeles,
I was immediately told that I would need to build a new and costly
ballroom. The current ballroom was gorgeous, but it only sat 200
people and we were losing business because people needed a larger
space for their events.

Building a new ballroom would take years to get approval and permits
(since it's on the Pacific Ocean), and cost about $5 million. I took
one look at the ballroom and saw immediately what needed to be done.
The problem wasn't the size of the room, it was the size of the
ballroom, we needed smaller chairs! So I had them replaced with
high-end, smaller chairs. I then had our people sell the old chairs
and got more money for them than the cost of the new chairs. In the
end, the ballroom went from seating 200 people to seating 320 people.
Our visitors got the space they desired, and I spared everyone the
hassle of years of construction and $5 million of expense.

It's amazing what you can accomplish with a little common sense." On
top of his saving years of construction and $5 million in expenses, he
also was able to keep the ballroom open for business during the time
it would have been under remodeling, which allowed him to continue to
make money on the space instead of losing that revenue during
construction time. Donald Trump's entire life has been made up of
success and winning. He's been accused of bankruptcies, but that's not
true. He's never filed personal bankruptcy. He's bought companies and
legally used bankruptcy laws to restructure their debt, just as
businesses do all the time. But he's never been bankrupt personally.
He's a fighter that clearly loves America and would fight for our
nation. Earlier I quoted Trump saying, "I love America. And when you
love something, you protect it passionately - fiercely, even." We
never hear that from Democrats or even from most Republicans.

Donald Trump is saying things that desperately need to be said but no
other candidate has shown the fortitude to stand up and say them.
Before we criticize someone because of what the media is saying, maybe
we should consider what they have to offer. What are they bringing to
the table. Researching their background independently of what the news
says. What's their bio? What's Obama's bio? If you had researched
Obama prior to him becoming President, would you have hired him to
work for you or run your business?
**************
General Yeager will be ninety- three years of age next month, and like
all successful people he adheres to certain axioms of truth, one being
: 'A straight line is the shortest distance between two points'.

[xyzzy]

At this point, pointing out that what you post is fake is simply a formality.

http://www.snopes.com/chuck-yeager-donald-trump-endorsement/

and Yeager asking people to stop spreading this BS:

http://www.snopes.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/chuck-yeager.png

[agavi...@gmail.com]

A straight line isn't the shortest path between two points?

[michael anderson]

On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 4:26:32 AM UTC-7, The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior wrote:
> I'd take another term of Obama

eh....I like obama more as a person than Hillary, which is to say I only dislike him and what he's about vs believing Hillary is a very bad person who represents everything bad about politics. Obama is also far less annoying to see on TV everyday than Hillary.

But Hillary will at least be as good on the issues as Obama, and if we are lucky maybe a tad better.

[The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior]

On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 11:44:37 AM UTC-5, J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:
> On Thu, 5 May 2016 04:26:30 -0700 (PDT), "The Cheesehusker, Trade
> Warrior" <Iamtj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >I'd take another term of Obama
>
> Other than personality what do you dislike about Trump?

If that's an honest question - I loathe his stand on Free Trade, I'm pro-immigrant - we've got enough laws - we can simply enforce what we've got - plus, under Obama, we're net minus Hispanic immigration.

I also loathe his love of Kelo - that's eminent domain.

Much less his utter lack of experience in the political arena. If we're lucky, we'll get a repeat of the Ventura "indifference" I lived thru in Minnesota - that's the upside. The downside is a massive global economic recession brought on by trade wars and closed borders.

Here's the way I look at it - would Donald hire The Donald to be ceo of the US given his "experience"? Hell no.

[CtrlAltDel]

Basically, you are of the opinion that getting raped on trade deals is
the only way for stupid Muricans to continue to get along because that is
just the way it is. Otherwise, trade wars and closed borders brought on
by USA'ians and Trump, not by those that refuse to treat us fairly
because they believe we are weak and too stupid to demand a fair and
level field.

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Thu, 5 May 2016 14:03:41 -0700 (PDT), "The Cheesehusker, Trade

Warrior" <Iamtj...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 11:44:37 AM UTC-5, J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:
>> On Thu, 5 May 2016 04:26:30 -0700 (PDT), "The Cheesehusker, Trade
>> Warrior" <Iamtj...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>=20

>> >I'd take another term of Obama

>>=20

>> Other than personality what do you dislike about Trump?
>
>If that's an honest question -

iT WAS!

>I loathe his stand on Free Trade, I'm pro-im=
>migrant - we've got enough laws - we can simply enforce what we've got - pl=

>us, under Obama, we're net minus Hispanic immigration.

Seems to me that free trade, while basically desirable, was supposed
to cut the outlandish increased cost of products caused by excessive
union wage increases. Under our form of socialism that has not
happened - people go on welfare and wage earners pay one way or the
other. But I do prefer competition when one side doesn't get a
handicap or have one.

>
>I also loathe his love of Kelo - that's eminent domain.

I favor in specific instances. I don't think a farmer should get
$100,000 if he will lose $10,000 in crops to run a pipeline thorugh
his land when, in less than a year, it will be exactly as it was.

>Much less his utter lack of experience in the political arena. If we're lu=
>cky, we'll get a repeat of the Ventura "indifference" I lived thru in Minne=
>sota - that's the upside. The downside is a massive global economic recess=

>ion brought on by trade wars and closed borders.

My experience with politicians is they have a price, they don't
represent the opinions of those who elected them and they wear space
pants. Carter, Clinton, Bush, obama - those are your experienced
politicians.

>Here's the way I look at it - would Donald hire The Donald to be ceo of the=

> US given his "experience"? Hell no.

Would any intelligent person hire Hillary? Is it really the president
who runs the country or the people he picks to do the job?

If losers tie you have no say if you didn't vote seems to me.

Hugh
>

[Michael Press]

In article <826a87d7-a6d2-441b...@googlegroups.com>,

"the_andr...@yahoo.com" <agavi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> A straight line isn't the shortest path between two points?

Definition of a straight line is the shortest path
between two points.

--
Michael Press

[Con Reeder, unhyphenated American]

You mean like a great circle?

--
"I find that a great part of the information I have was acquired
by looking up something and finding something else on the way."
-- Franklin Pierce Adams

[Michael Press]

In article <slrnninoi8.5...@kim.perusion.com>,

"Con Reeder, unhyphenated American" <cons...@duxmail.com> wrote:

> On 2016-05-05, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > In article <826a87d7-a6d2-441b...@googlegroups.com>,
> > "the_andr...@yahoo.com" <agavi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> A straight line isn't the shortest path between two points?
> >
> > Definition of a straight line is the shortest path
> > between two points.
>
> You mean like a great circle?

Yes. It is intricate, but fun.
Consider a path on a curvy surface.
From a 3D standpoint it is always
bending. If from the point of view
of a point on the path on the surface
if it is not bending to the left or right,
then its geodesic curvature is zero.

The initial paragraphs here are accessible.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geodesic>

--
Michael Press

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Thu, 05 May 2016 16:48:09 -0700, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net>
wrote:

That needs some qualification.

For example, sailing from Tokyo to Frisco the shortest path is a
northerly arc that takes advantage of the earth's curvature.

But, things may have changed since December 1945 - so many things
have.

Hugh

[naberha...@gmail.com]

On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 6:26:32 AM UTC-5, The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior wrote:
> I'd take another term of Obama

Not me...Clinton is at least to the right of Obama...he's kicking his liberal agenda into a higher gear as of late.

[The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior]

lololololol

Other countries think deals with us are completely unfair to them as well

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Sat, 7 May 2016 05:14:58 -0700 (PDT), "The Cheesehusker, Trade
Warrior" <Iamtj...@gmail.com> wrote:


>Other countries think deals with us are completely unfair to them as well

Seems to me that caring what other people and other countries think
can cause a person and a country a lot of unhappiness.

Be true to yourself and others can like it or lump it. Just don't
confuse them.

In my mind I have never been treated unfairly - not by people and not
by God.. I wonder how many people can say that.

Hugh

[The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior]

Sure - otoh, when people make complaints that trade deals are "one sided" it bears a few moments of reflection on which side is saying that - and why.

Thus it is with trade deals - those who howl loudest are usually doing so to either protect a position and/or b/c they don't see the advantages they have that the opposition is howling about.

Certainly not all trade deals are great and awesome - you can certainly screw them up - however, by and large they're damn good for all parties involved both in the short and long terms - and faaaaaaar better than rampant trade protectionism which blatantly protests weak producers at the cost of excessive costs to the consumer.

Trade rocks. More trade.

[Con Reeder, unhyphenated American]

On 2016-05-07, The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior <Iamtj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Trade rocks. More trade.

This.

The U.S. is the most prosperous country in the world for a reason. We
trade with damn near everyone worth trading with. And it is the reason
countries pay attention when we talk, as much or more than our military.
If we don't trade with you, you suffer.

--
It is not true that people stop pursuing dreams
because they grow old, they grow old because they
stop pursuing dreams. -- Gabriel Garcia Marquez

[The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior]

On Saturday, May 7, 2016 at 7:53:04 AM UTC-5, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:
> On 2016-05-07, The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior <Iamtj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Trade rocks. More trade.
>
> This.
>
> The U.S. is the most prosperous country in the world for a reason. We
> trade with damn near everyone worth trading with. And it is the reason
> countries pay attention when we talk, as much or more than our military.
> If we don't trade with you, you suffer.
>

Exactly - and this holds true w/ other countries. How has China moved itself out of it's life hole? By trading with the world. North Korea - no trade and they suck.

Here's a funnish tangential aspect of trade - peace. Trading partners on a big scale, don't go to war. There's only be one "war" between countries with McDonald's - that the Falklands. Otherwise....

Still think we need to unleash the hellhounds of trade/capitalism on the middle east....

[Con Reeder, unhyphenated American]

It's pretty hard when people are channeled into little cells by their
mullahs and family. Muslims almost never think outside the box, which
is why hugely smart people have like zero achievement unless they go West.

--
Courage is fear holding on a minute longer.
-- General George S. Patton