Zona citizens in the chatrum?
shiite
penalties and fines on employers who hire illegals, and landlords that
rent to them? That's all it would take to run off the illegals that
are there, a keep out the ones who are thinking about coming in?
And while we're at it, why not make it a national policy?
TimV
If I was a landlord, I'd tell you to keep your government encroachment
into my property rights to yourself.
T
CheeseHusker dos
American indians laugh in your general direction
Google Beta User
This is what I don't get.
Is it truly, really about less government/conservatism, or is it just
about Team GOP/Elephant Jersey? Because if you're going to be pro-
freedom and small government, fine. But "war on drugs", nation
building, legislating morality (beyond basic common social contract
stuff), etc is NOT small or unfree.
One would think actual conservatives would be alarmed at legislation
like this.
The Ghost of Edward M. Kennedy
> > What's up with your new immigration law? Why not put some major
> > penalties and fines on employers who hire illegals, and landlords that
> > rent to them? That's all it would take to run off the illegals that
> > are there, a keep out the ones who are thinking about coming in?
>
> > And while we're at it, why not make it a national policy?
>
> If I was a landlord, I'd tell you to keep your government encroachment
> into my property rights to yourself.
<
<This is what I don't get.
<
<Is it truly, really about less government/conservatism, or is it just
<about Team GOP/Elephant Jersey? Because if you're going to be pro-
<freedom and small government, fine. But "war on drugs", nation
<building, legislating morality (beyond basic common social contract
<stuff), etc is NOT small or unfree.
The GOP has become all about stupid.
<One would think actual conservatives would be alarmed at legislation
<like this.
I yam. I theory I believe in open borders but there are some
practical problems with completely opening them.
The problem a lot of conservatives have though is that they don't
approve of all the social spending and believe the immigrants end
up causing more of it. (I have no idea to what extent that is
true.)
--Tedward
shiite
Advocates for illegals currently use anti-discrimination laws to
*require* landlords to rent to them. Looks an awful lot like
government encroachment.
shiite
Nothing to do with GOP. Legislation like this will make the fence
unnecessary, and far less costly.
honkifyoulovejustice
"What's the matter, officer?"
"You look European, son. Law says I gotta check your citizenship
papers."
The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior
Pretty much yeah, said the great grandson of a ship jumping Irishman
shiite
Excellent point. Those European illegals have been a burden for a
long time. Especially in Arizona.
lein
What social contract? There is no such thing.
lein
They can only laugh because the people they displaced have no
survivors.
Jaybyrd
Where this may become interesting is if in the course of finding out
if someone is documented, a cop feels that they have reasonable cause
to conduct a search, American citizen or not.
shiite
I see this law doing very little to stem the flow of illegals. Any
serious attempt to stop it will involve denying jobs and housing.
Huck Kennedy
DEATH T0 TH3 MEX1E5!!@!1!!!
Z0N1E HUCK
Steve Cutchen
<9dcd7220-2b93-44e8...@s15g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
Huck Kennedy <temp...@gmail.com> wrote:
Got me to wondering how many times when I leave the house that I'm
prepared to prove my citizenship so as to stay out of jail.
Then I remembered I'm white, so it doesn't matter for me.
Stoopid Zonas... <sigh> What B.S.
Goro
lein
American Indians had a poor immigration policy for their lands.
Something we shouldn't imitate.
mianderson
> What's up with your new immigration law? Why not put some major
> penalties and fines on employers who hire illegals, and landlords
wtf?
I am a landlord, and I rent a small house my dad used to own to a
family. They're mexican I think, and I have no idea if they are
illegal....and really don't care. The check clears every month is all
any landlord should know or care about.......
shiite
Pretty simple. Any serious effort at ridding a state or nation of
illegals will involve penalizing those who directly profit from their
presence. Take away jobs and housing, and illegal immigration grinds
to a halt. In all of this hysteria about Arizona and the whining
about their new immigration law, I've yet to see anyone attempt to
make the case that illegal immigrants have a right to be here.
Antonio Veranos
> In all of this hysteria about Arizona and the whining
> about their new immigration law, I've yet to see anyone attempt to
> make the case that illegal immigrants have a right to be here.
I wonder what I did to this douchenozzle to end up in his killfile.
--
A. Veranos
What color does a smurf go when you choke it?
shiite
> On Wed, 5 May 2010 19:59:03 -0700 (PDT), shiite wrote...
> > In all of this hysteria about Arizona and the whining
> > about their new immigration law, I've yet to see anyone attempt to
> > make the case that illegal immigrants have a right to be here.
>
> I wonder what I did to this douchenozzle to end up in his killfile.
There's another possibility - that your attempt was forgettable.
Antonio Veranos
Heh. Just checking. Anyway, I wasn't quite overt about it, but the
idea that some Americans have that they're more entitled to live
somewhere because of the luck of where they were born is just stupid.
If you can't understand what I mean when I mock such people by pointing
out that their attitude boils down to, 'MY ANCESTORS GOT IN, TO HELL
WITH YOURS! HAW HAW!', that's your problem sir, not mine.
shiite
I thoroughly understand what you mean, and its still your problem,
because you've jumped to a lot of inaccurate conclusions about my
conclusions. If wandering about in self-inflicted stupidity blows
your skirt up, help yourself.
lein
Is there another country with more lax immigration or citizenship laws
than the U.S.?
My ancestors, btw, are irrelevant. Unlike a heritage in your adopted
country, we here in the States do not hold children responsible for
their parents actions.
Craig Delaney
[...]
> Got me to wondering how many times when I leave the house that I'm
> prepared to prove my citizenship so as to stay out of jail.
>
> Then I remembered I'm white, so it doesn't matter for me.
>
> Stoopid Zonas... <sigh> What B.S.
What I really do appreciate about the above statement, and similar
ones from people that I might not always see eye-to-eye on
politically,
is how it reaffirms my belief in the essential foundation of tolerance
in America, no matter how much it might have been battered in recent
years.
*Sniff*, I love you bro! :-)
Regards,
Craig
Craig Delaney
[...]
> I am a landlord, and I rent a small house my dad used to own to a
> family. They're mexican I think, and I have no idea if they are
> illegal....and really don't care. The check clears every month is all
> any landlord should know or care about.......
I know, smelly-sock and all that, but if someone would pass tough
laws against *employers* of illegal immigrants, I would volunteer
to become an illegal immigrant to see Mia in jail (hopefully, with
man-purse and all)
Regards,
Craig
Huck Kennedy
> On May 5, 8:17 pm, Antonio Veranos <summerstorm0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Wed, 5 May 2010 20:10:14 -0700 (PDT), shiite wrote...
> > > On May 5, 11:02 pm, Antonio Veranos <summerstorm0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 5 May 2010 19:59:03 -0700 (PDT), shiite wrote...
> > > > > In all of this hysteria about Arizona and the whining
> > > > > about their new immigration law, I've yet to see anyone attempt to
> > > > > make the case that illegal immigrants have a right to be here.
>
> > > > I wonder what I did to this douchenozzle to end up in his killfile.
>
> > > There's another possibility - that your attempt was forgettable.
>
> > Heh. Just checking. Anyway, I wasn't quite overt about it, but the
> > idea that some Americans have that they're more entitled to live
> > somewhere because of the luck of where they were born is just stupid.
>
> > If you can't understand what I mean when I mock such people by pointing
> > out that their attitude boils down to, 'MY ANCESTORS GOT IN, TO HELL
> > WITH YOURS! HAW HAW!', that's your problem sir, not mine.
>
> Is there another country with more lax immigration or citizenship laws
> than the U.S.?
Try most of Europe. If you're a citizen of one member of the
European Union, you can wander like a butterfly across the borders of
any of the others, no problem.
When my English friend and I drove into the Czech Republic, they
just waved him on through without so much as a glance, but when I said
I was American, we had to pull over while they gave my passport the
third degree for 15 minutes.
Huck
lein
But that is only with each other and more of a vacation travel thing
and not immigration/citizenship. In the 80s, I could travel around
Europe with what was then called a universal passport, a US military
ID card. Try being non-French and enter France with the intent of
setting up shop (taking a French job, residence, etc.) without
approval.