If Nothing Else, The Wisco Democratic anti-democratic Legislator's Flight From Reponsibility
Tom Enright
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/116865388.html
A Republican lawmaker from Illinois introduced legislation Thursday
that would subject Wisconsin senators who crossed the border to
Illinois income taxes for their time working in "the Land of Lincoln."
Illinois Rep. Mike Tryon, of Crystal Lake, said the Wisconsin
lawmakers should be subject to the Illinois tax in the same way Green
Bay Packers players must pay Illinois tax for games played at Soldier
Field.
Fourteen Democratic senators from Wiscosin fled the state for Illinois
a week ago to avoid having to vote on Gov. Scott Walker's bid to strip
most collective bargaining rights from public employees.
Tryon said he opposed a 2007 bill that extended the 5% Illinois tax to
temporary workers -- including professional athletes and movie stars.
But if it's on the books, the Wisconsin senators should pay, Tryon
said.
"We believe they are working because they are on TV saying they are
working," he said.
His effort "will probably shine a light on how silly the law and how
silly the legislative maneuvers are," Tryon said.
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-Tom Enright
"STOP THE KOCH BROTHERS. They are trying to end the War on Drugs and
increase civil liberties."
RaginPage
> ...has resulted in terrific suggestions such as this:
>
> http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/116865388.html
>
political nonsense that detracts from the larger issue.
The voters should remember this and vote them out.
period.
Brent
deem...@aol.com
>
> http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/116865388.html
>
> A Republican lawmaker from Illinois introduced legislation Thursday
> that would subject Wisconsin senators who crossed the border to
> Illinois income taxes for their time working in "the Land of Lincoln."
>
> Illinois Rep. Mike Tryon, of Crystal Lake, said the Wisconsin
> lawmakers should be subject to the Illinois tax in the same way Green
> Bay Packers players must pay Illinois tax for games played at Soldier
> Field.
>
> Fourteen Democratic senators from Wiscosin fled the state for Illinois
> a week ago to avoid having to vote on Gov. Scott Walker's bid to strip
> most collective bargaining rights from public employees.
>
> Tryon said he opposed a 2007 bill that extended the 5% Illinois tax to
> temporary workers -- including professional athletes and movie stars.
> But if it's on the books, the Wisconsin senators should pay, Tryon
> said.
>
> "We believe they are working because they are on TV saying they are
> working," he said.
>
> His effort "will probably shine a light on how silly the law and how
> silly the legislative maneuvers are," Tryon said.
Two asses don't make a horse.
Tom Enright
Vote who out?
If you or I went to work in Illinois while being paid in a different
state you and I would have to pay taxes. Why shouldn't these
politicians? Just another example of corrupt Illinois Democrat
machine politics. Fuck the taxpayers, pad the pockets of their
cronies in Wisconsin.
-Tom Enright
> Brent
RaginPage
> On Feb 25, 9:00 am, RaginPage <btpage0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 25, 8:28 am, Tom Enright <freddy_ha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > ...has resulted in terrific suggestions such as this:
>
> > >http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/116865388.html
> > political nonsense that detracts from the larger issue.
>
> > The voters should remember this and vote them out.
>
> > period.
>
> Vote who out?
>
The representatives throwing a temper tantrum.
Brent
J.C. Watts
Dude, Wisconsin and Illinois have income tax reciprosity to cover
people who live in one state but work in the other. This guy just
wants to carve out an exception for these guys, which is probably not
only illegal (because it goes against the current agreement between
the two states), but simply a political stunt anyway.
Tom Enright
I understand your POV, but I believe that one of the major problems
with how the political class operates in this country is how they can
pass laws (perfect example ObamaCare) and exempt themselves from
actually following those laws. Perhaps I am misunderstanding the
issue here, but don't you think that politicans should be held to AT
LEAST the same standard as you and I?
Furthermore, I've never understood how the left in this country can,
at the same time, state they are fighting for the "working man" and
believe the most powerful in this country should be exempt from laws.
-Tom Enright
“Yeah, it’s one thing for the administration to take office with very
little administrative experience. It’s something else that the
administration apparently hasn’t acquired any yet, one year later, and
are still throwing prissy little snits over events and reporting that
are about five levels below anything the administration should be
concerning itself with right now.”
deem...@aol.com
There's more than enough hypocrisy, name-calling, grand-standing,
posturing, etc, etc on BOTH sides.
Tom Enright
Dude, a lame-ass truism? C'mon.
-Tom Enright
"Here you have a predominantly African-American city. What if the
governor appointed somebody white? ... Would he appoint someone Irish
to be the mayor?"
-Marvin L. Cheatham, the president of the Baltimore Chapter of the
NAACP, on replacing the corrupt mayor of Baltimore
deem...@aol.com
> On Feb 25, 9:43 am, "deemsb...@aol.com" <deemsb...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 25, 9:21 am, Tom Enright <freddy_ha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > Two asses don't make a horse.
> > > I understand your POV, but I believe that one of the major problems
> > > with how the political class operates in this country is how they can
> > > pass laws (perfect example ObamaCare) and exempt themselves from
> > > actually following those laws. Perhaps I am misunderstanding the
> > > issue here, but don't you think that politicans should be held to AT
> > > LEAST the same standard as you and I?
>
> > > Furthermore, I've never understood how the left in this country can,
> > > at the same time, state they are fighting for the "working man" and
> > > believe the most powerful in this country should be exempt from laws.
> > There's more than enough hypocrisy, name-calling, grand-standing,
> > posturing, etc, etc on BOTH sides.
>
> Dude, a lame-ass truism? C'mon.
I always feel obliged to point it out since you seem to only get
outraged when the other guys do it.
deem...@aol.com
BTW, what I think is so short-sighted about this is that do the
Dems really think the Reps won't do the same thing when it suits their
purpose?
RaginPage
> On Feb 25, 9:55 am, "deemsb...@aol.com" <deemsb...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 25, 9:52 am, Tom Enright <freddy_ha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 25, 9:43 am, "deemsb...@aol.com" <deemsb...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Feb 25, 9:21 am, Tom Enright <freddy_ha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > I understand your POV, but I believe that one of the major problems
> > > > > with how the political class operates in this country is how they can
> > > > > pass laws (perfect example ObamaCare) and exempt themselves from
> > > > > actually following those laws. Perhaps I am misunderstanding the
> > > > > issue here, but don't you think that politicans should be held to AT
> > > > > LEAST the same standard as you and I?
>
> > > > > Furthermore, I've never understood how the left in this country can,
> > > > > at the same time, state they are fighting for the "working man" and
> > > > > believe the most powerful in this country should be exempt from laws.
> > > > There's more than enough hypocrisy, name-calling, grand-standing,
> > > > posturing, etc, etc on BOTH sides.
>
>
> > I always feel obliged to point it out since you seem to only get
> > outraged when the other guys do it.
>
> BTW, what I think is so short-sighted about this is that do the
> Dems really think the Reps won't do the same thing when it suits their
>
> - Show quoted text -
They know they won't. And they won't.
They didn't do it on health care and they won't do it on issues like
this.
Brent
deem...@aol.com
Bullshit. The precedent has been set. It's only a matter of time
before a GOP set does it.
xyzzy
Yeah well I like political nonsense so some I think of this
maneuvering is pretty cool.
But the whole thing is a joke, the idea that by denying a quorum the
Democrats are abandoning their duty or subverting the system. The
minority is simply working within the rules to try to thwart the
majority. No different from fillibustering in the U.S. Senate, just a
different mechanism.
RaginPage
I disagree. One of the biggest reasons the Articles of Confederation
weren't simply stamped and renewed is the lack of a quorum, which led
to a re-evaluation of representation. Which is exactly what should
happen here. But it's one thing to lack a quorum due to lack of
interest, and quite another to lack a quorum as a last ditch effort to
derail the process.
Brent
xyzzy
The quorum rules may very well end up being changed as a result of
this, they don't make any more sense than the filibuster -- as an
alternative they could just require a majority of the number of seats
(as opposed to legislators present) to pass legislation. That has its
own problem, so maybe an either/or -- less than a majority of seats
can pass legislation if a certain quorum is present, if not a majority
of seats is required.
But the rule is there and is being used and I don't think it's for you
or me to say that it should only apply because of lack of interest,
rather than specific attempt to deny a quorum. I doubt when the
unlimited debate rules were put in place for the US Senate, it was
meant to require a supermajority to pass any legislation either, but
the technique has evolved.
RaginPage
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> - Show quoted text -
That's true. But I'm neither amused or interested in it, really.
Brent
xyzzy
>
> http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/116865388.html
>
> A Republican lawmaker from Illinois introduced legislation Thursday
> that would subject Wisconsin senators who crossed the border to
> Illinois income taxes for their time working in "the Land of Lincoln."
>
> Illinois Rep. Mike Tryon, of Crystal Lake, said the Wisconsin
> lawmakers should be subject to the Illinois tax in the same way Green
> Bay Packers players must pay Illinois tax for games played at Soldier
> Field.
>
> Fourteen Democratic senators from Wiscosin fled the state for Illinois
> a week ago to avoid having to vote on Gov. Scott Walker's bid to strip
> most collective bargaining rights from public employees.
>
> Tryon said he opposed a 2007 bill that extended the 5% Illinois tax to
> temporary workers -- including professional athletes and movie stars.
> But if it's on the books, the Wisconsin senators should pay, Tryon
> said.
>
> "We believe they are working because they are on TV saying they are
> working," he said.
>
> His effort "will probably shine a light on how silly the law and how
> silly the legislative maneuvers are," Tryon said.
I like the one where they now require legislators to pick up their
paychecks in person on the floor of the senate.
Of course if Wisconsin is like most legislatures, with part time
legislators who make their primary living elsewhere and mostly token
legislative salaries, neither of those moves would provide much
incentive.
xyzzy
They do it every time they filibuster, Brent. Different mechanism,
same principle -- the minority using the rules to thwart the majority.
xyzzy
Well except when they did it in the U.S. Senate in 1988 to try to stop
a campaign finance bill.
http://articles.latimes.com/1988-02-25/news/mn-45210_1_quorum-call
RaginPage
>
> - Show quoted text -
Did you actually read that article? The Dems were hoping to outlast
the Republicans by attrition and the only way they could go home was
enmass.
Please tell me you see the difference between the two. Once again,
the tactics of trying to find a way to get their way even though they
didn't have the numbers.
I'm glad for the article though, becaus it points out that the
Democrats really have no equal for thinking they have a mandate
without the numbers.
Which is amazing, considering the problems they had when they *did*
have the mandate.
Brent
Huck Kennedy
Everytime I think you're rising up on the evolutionary scale,
you post crap like this. "Temper tantrum?" FU. They are acting on
principle--if you don't agree with their side and agree with Walker
that the unions should be destroyed, fine, but both sides are doing
what they have to do. Walker's continued insistence on busting the
unions despite getting his budget concessions could just as easily be
characterized as a "tantrum."
Huck
Jaybyrd
>
> http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/116865388.html
>
> A Republican lawmaker from Illinois introduced legislation Thursday
> that would subject Wisconsin senators who crossed the border to
> Illinois income taxes for their time working in "the Land of Lincoln."
>
> Illinois Rep. Mike Tryon, of Crystal Lake, said the Wisconsin
> lawmakers should be subject to the Illinois tax in the same way Green
> Bay Packers players must pay Illinois tax for games played at Soldier
> Field.
>
> Fourteen Democratic senators from Wiscosin fled the state for Illinois
> a week ago to avoid having to vote on Gov. Scott Walker's bid to strip
> most collective bargaining rights from public employees.
>
> Tryon said he opposed a 2007 bill that extended the 5% Illinois tax to
> temporary workers -- including professional athletes and movie stars.
> But if it's on the books, the Wisconsin senators should pay, Tryon
> said.
>
> "We believe they are working because they are on TV saying they are
> working," he said.
>
> His effort "will probably shine a light on how silly the law and how
> silly the legislative maneuvers are," Tryon said.
smrat, react to a silly loophole with a silly rule.
mianderson
it's not that about that anymore ralph.
It's like the 6 day war back in 1967.......after the arab countries
attacked and isreal put a boot in their ass, they weren't content with
just saying "ok, now that we fought this off let's just go back to the
way things are....."
they saw it(rightfully) as an opportunity to achieve more success
based on their long term strategy needs. Same thing walker is doing
for the state he represents now.
could just as easily be
> characterized as a "tantrum."
>
> Huck- Hide quoted text -
Jaybyrd
this is no different than the right selling out to the super rich.
The issue though is perception. If the wisc dems can use this to
their advantage for most of the voters and win then they are smart.
If the right wingers can use their influence to allow the ultra rich
or christian right to fund their campaigns and win then they are
smart.
Ben Stewart
> ...has resulted in terrific suggestions such as this:
>
> http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/116865388.html
>
> A Republican lawmaker from Illinois introduced legislation Thursday
> that would subject Wisconsin senators who crossed the border to
> Illinois income taxes for their time working in "the Land of Lincoln."
>
> Illinois Rep. Mike Tryon, of Crystal Lake, said the Wisconsin
> lawmakers should be subject to the Illinois tax in the same way Green
> Bay Packers players must pay Illinois tax for games played at Soldier
> Field.
>
> Fourteen Democratic senators from Wiscosin fled the state for Illinois
> a week ago to avoid having to vote on Gov. Scott Walker's bid to strip
> most collective bargaining rights from public employees.
>
> Tryon said he opposed a 2007 bill that extended the 5% Illinois tax to
> temporary workers -- including professional athletes and movie stars.
> But if it's on the books, the Wisconsin senators should pay, Tryon
> said.
>
> "We believe they are working because they are on TV saying they are
> working," he said.
>
> His effort "will probably shine a light on how silly the law and how
> silly the legislative maneuvers are," Tryon said.
>
So I guess those awol Dems really are doing their jobs, aren't they. I
think so too.
Tom Enright
The Democrats are protecting the rich, the GOP is protecting the tax
payer. Sometimes doing the right thing actually matters.
-Tom Enright
“It’s quite striking the way almost every lie the left ever told
about the Tea Party has turned out to be true of the government
unionists in Wisconsin and their supporters.”
-James Taranto
Ben Stewart
> On Feb 25, 1:53 pm, Jaybyrd <jaybyrdb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 25, 9:21 am, Tom Enright <freddy_ha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > I understand your POV, but I believe that one of the major problems
> > > with how the political class operates in this country is how they can
> > > pass laws (perfect example ObamaCare) and exempt themselves from
> > > actually following those laws. Perhaps I am misunderstanding the
> > > issue here, but don't you think that politicans should be held to AT
> > > LEAST the same standard as you and I?
>
> > > Furthermore, I've never understood how the left in this country can,
> > > at the same time, state they are fighting for the "working man" and
> > > believe the most powerful in this country should be exempt from laws.
> > this is no different than the right selling out to the super rich.
> > The issue though is perception. If the wisc dems can use this to
> > their advantage for most of the voters and win then they are smart.
> > If the right wingers can use their influence to allow the ultra rich
> > or christian right to fund their campaigns and win then they are
> > smart.
>
> The Democrats are protecting the rich, the GOP is protecting the tax
> payer. Sometimes doing the right thing actually matters.
If you really believe that, there is no hope for you.
Both parties are protecting the rich, and neither of them is
protecting the tax payer. Their primary objective is getting re-
elected.
Jaybyrd
> On Feb 25, 1:53 pm, Jaybyrd <jaybyrdb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 25, 9:21 am, Tom Enright <freddy_ha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > I understand your POV, but I believe that one of the major problems
> > > with how the political class operates in this country is how they can
> > > pass laws (perfect example ObamaCare) and exempt themselves from
> > > actually following those laws. Perhaps I am misunderstanding the
> > > issue here, but don't you think that politicans should be held to AT
> > > LEAST the same standard as you and I?
>
> > > Furthermore, I've never understood how the left in this country can,
> > > at the same time, state they are fighting for the "working man" and
> > > believe the most powerful in this country should be exempt from laws.
> > this is no different than the right selling out to the super rich.
> > The issue though is perception. If the wisc dems can use this to
> > their advantage for most of the voters and win then they are smart.
> > If the right wingers can use their influence to allow the ultra rich
> > or christian right to fund their campaigns and win then they are
> > smart.
>
> The Democrats are protecting the rich, the GOP is protecting the tax
> payer. Sometimes doing the right thing actually matters.
>
Your's is a highly rhetorical biased answer to a balanced realistic
statement. So be it.
Tom Enright
So the "ultra rich" don't vote Democratic?
So saying the Dems want votes and the GOP wants votes from EVIL people
is "balanced"?
-Tom Enright
Tom Enright
In this particular case, the governor of Wisconsin is attempting to
protect the interests of the citizens of the state from a wealthy and
powerful organization.
-Tom Enright
Jaybyrd
Read my statement again: perception. Reality isn't important when you
are a politician.
> So saying the Dems want votes and the GOP wants votes from EVIL people
> is "balanced"?
>
Why do you think that the ultra rich or christian right are evil?
Ben Stewart
That is total BS... He just chose the non-union side. He's trying to
protect his donors.
Tom Enright
I don't, but you do.
-Tom Enright
Tom Enright
He's trying to protect the taxpayers.
However, this is a dishonest argument to make by liberals. If
politicians only vote to protect their donors why do liberals what to
increase the power of and number of politicians? So you and Jaybyrd
are essentially arguing that you wish to hurt the people as much as
possible.
That's a great campaign slogan: "Politicians Only Protect Their
Wealthy Donors; WE WANT MORE POLITICIANS!!!!"
-Tom Enright
lein
The super rich are not in cahoots with the right. Heck, at least half
are Liberal. Ditto for Big Business, they work for their own
interest independent of Right or Left.
Jaybyrd
I don't. The rich are an integral part of society. If someone
panders to them they aren't evil, they're business people. The
panderers are the problem.
Jaybyrd
Ben is saying that politicians protect those that support them and
neither side is absolved. I think that's pretty basic. How can you
not understand this?
Jaybyrd
I didn't bring big business into the argument but they will indeed
lobby for their own interests based on a given specific issue. A good
example is that the clause in the Obama health care bill about
everyone having to have coverage is a demand of the Health Insurance
Industry.
However, in general, economic lines are drawn when it comes to the
supporters of specific political parties.
lein
yes and the Dems have as many rich people supporting them as the
right. (there is no "party of the rich")
Huck Kennedy
>
> yes and the Dems have as many rich people supporting them as the
> right. (there is no "party of the rich")
Utter bullshit, but thanks for playing anyway.
Huck