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Why india loses when sachin scores a century?( Quality of Centuries or Quantity of Centuries?)

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Neha

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Mar 13, 2011, 8:20:31 AM3/13/11
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Nice article, just read it fully:

Sachin Tendulkar is, undoubtedly, most compact batsman Cricket has
ever seen, there is no doubt on his class and on him being legend. The
writer of this article has previously rated Sachin Tendulkar as “King
Arthur of Cricket”. This article and stats are not meant to degrade
Sachin Tendulkar in any way, these are just stats showing one bitter-
reality of Tendulkar’s career.

Centuries are scored to win the matches, you seldom see a batsman
scoring century yet on losing side. Once a batsman scores century, he
has high hopes of being on winning end and also Man of the Match.
Number of players across the world has most-majority of their
centuries in winning cause however some batsmen can’t taste the
triumph even after scoring a Ton.

Quality of Centuries or Quantity of
Centuries?

Yesterday against South Africa, Sachin Tendulkar scored his 48th ODI
century but it was also his 13th ODI century in a losing cause. The
jinx of Tendulkar’s ton has been a myth, there is no point to say he
is selfish but myth is yet to be solved that why he has such high
percentage of centuries in losing cause. Out of his 48 centuries, 33
times India won, 13 times India lost, 1 time it was tied, and once the
match was no-result. This means that Tendulkar’s percentage of
centuries in win is 68.75 but then equation comes in mind that, out of
his 33 match-winning centuries, 9 centuries are against minnows;
Kenya, Namibia and Zimbabwe.

Sachin Tendulkar in eye of Indian contemporaries.
Lot of people say that due to India’s weak bowling attack in
Tendulkar’s era, his centuries never helped India winning. Lets
analyze whether this excuse is vindicated or not, we will have a look
at some of Tendulkar’s contemporaries who played with same co-called
weak bowling line. Remember Tendulkar’s winning percentage of
centuries is 68.75.

- Saurav Ganuguly: 22 ODI centuries, 18 times India won. Winning
percentage of centuries is 81.81

- Virender Sehwag: 14 ODI Centuries, 13 times India won. Since 2003,
his all 13 centuries have been match winning. Winning percentage of
centuries is 92.85.

- Yuvraj Singh: 12 ODI Centuries, 9 times India won. Winning
percentage of centuries is 75.00

- MS Dhoni: 7 ODI Centuries, 6 times he was on winning-end. Winning
percentage of centuries is 85.71

As MS Dhoni plays in late order so if we consider his those innings
where he scored 80+, only 3 times he was on losing end and 10 times on
winning end.

Sachin Tendulkar’s contemporaries prove that weak-bowling is not an
excuse of his low percentage of match winning centuries. Had weak
bowling been a reason then Sourav Ganguly would have never scored 18
match winning centuries in same era. There is some unknown mystery
behind Sachin Tendulkar’s century jinx.

Sachin Tendulkar’s contemporaries from World.

1. Brian Lara: 19 ODI Centuries, 16 times West Indies won. Winning
percentage of centuries is 84.21

2. Sanath Jayasuriya: 28 ODI centuries, 24 times Srilanka won. Winning
percentage of centuries is 85.71

3. Saeed Anwar: 20 ODI centuries, 16 times Pakistan won. Winning
percentage of centuries is 80.00

4. Mohammad Yousuf: 15 ODI centuries, 14 times Pakistan. Winning
percentage of centuries is 93.33. Only his first century was in losing
cause in 1998 against Australia and since then his all 14 centuries
were match-winning.

5. Mahela Jaywardene: 13 ODI Centuries, 13 times he was on winning
end; all match winning centuries. Winning percentage of centuries is
100

6. Nathan Astle: 16 ODI Centuries, 14 times New Zealand won. Winning
percentage of centuries is 87.5

Now all the above players belong to average ODI Teams in last 20 odd
years, there is no one from South Africa or Australia, yet all the
batsmen maintain higher winning percentage of centuries than Sachin
Tendulkar’s 68.75. This clearly suggests that “Quality is always
better than Quantity”. Even Younis Khan’s all 6 ODI centuries have
been match winning.

Super Trivia: Out of Sachin Tendulkar’s 33 match winning centuries, 9
are against minnows; Zimbabwe, Namibia and Kenya. If we exclude his 10
centuries(against minnows) then his winning percentage of centuries is
only 63.15

Sachin Tendulkar’s ODI Centuries against Pakistan
Last time he scored century to beat Pakistan was way back in 1996 and
since then there is nothing. 5 ODI Centuries against Pakistan but 4
times India lost. Only his 2nd century against Pakistan could see
India winning it, except that his 4 ODI centuries went in vain as
Pakistan clinched the victory in all 4 matches.


Sachin Tendulkar’s Test centuries.
The sad story isn’t restricted to just ODI Cricket, it gets even worse
when it comes to Test Cricket where India is the number one team right
now. Out of his 51 Test centuries; only 20 times India won, 11 times
India lost and 20 times it was drawn.

Sachin Tendulkar’s winning percentage of centuries in Test Cricket is
only 39.21. And if we exclude his 8 centuries against Zimbabwe and
Bangladesh then, out of his 43 Test centuries, only 14 times India
won.

If we compare his this stat with one of his contemporaries from
Pakistan, i.e Inzamam-ul-Haq, then some readers might get a shock to
see Inzamam-ul-Haq scored 25 Test centuries; 17 times Pakistan won, 6
times drawn and only 2 times Pakistan lost. Inzamam’s winning
percentage of centuries is 68

From: http://www.cricbeat.com/2011/03/sachin-tendulkars-century-jinx-why-does.html

Neha

Call Centre

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Mar 13, 2011, 8:53:51 AM3/13/11
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>  From:http://www.cricbeat.com/2011/03/sachin-tendulkars-century-jinx-why-do...
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> Neha

Be careful Neha. No matter how much you praise Sachin unless you call
him the greatest ever you will be labelled a Sachin hater. Simply
calling him one of the greatest batsmen in the history of the game is
not enough. He must be called the greatest ever.

RG

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Mar 13, 2011, 9:32:19 AM3/13/11
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>  From:http://www.cricbeat.com/2011/03/sachin-tendulkars-century-jinx-why-do...
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> Neha

Here is my theory..........when sachin scores runs, the rest of the
team relaxes and thinks the GOD has scored runs and we will win. When
he doesn't score runs, the team begins to think, OMG, the GOD got out
cheaply, and we better work hard to score runs..........and they do.
Like any other sport, cricket is played in the minds of the players
as well.....

my two cents.

RG

Vikram Padmanabhan

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Mar 13, 2011, 11:33:19 AM3/13/11
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With respect to the linked story: The author's thesis appears to be
that Tendulkar has scored more "useless" centuries than others. But
IMO, he has gone about it the wrong way by analyzing the number of
tons in wins, losses, draws, and ties. Cricket is a team game
obviously and a meaningful and excellent innings can be marred by poor
efforts from teammates or overshadowed by even better efforts by
opponents.

But there indeed is such a thing as "useless" tons in cricket. They
are those that are registered when the match result has already been
determined.

There are "only" 99 SRT tons to analyze. Though it would involve some
subjectivity, it would be a fairly easy matter to try and determine
which of those centuries were truly useless i.e. if they were made in
a match were India were destined to lose (or would have gone on to
draw even if he had got out for a duck instead of scoring a century) .

I suspect that there would be about ten of these in tests (out of 51
test centuries) and maybe 1 or 2 in ODIs (out of 48 tons).

Take a look at his 2 cents in this WC, for example. They were first
innings knocks that put India in a very strong position. The fact
that they did not go on to win either match does not make his tons in
those matches to be of low quality or useless.

Those match results were ultimately determined by other factors i.e.,
the brilliance of Strauss in the England match and the utter failures
of Pathan, Kohli etc. in the RSA match.

Neha

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Mar 13, 2011, 12:42:52 PM3/13/11
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> Take a look at his 2 cents in this WC, for example.  They were first
> innings knocks that put India in a very strong position.

Why didn't we win those matches if he put us in strong position?

Neha

Neha

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Mar 13, 2011, 12:43:11 PM3/13/11
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i see i see

Neha

Ratna

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Mar 13, 2011, 1:03:57 PM3/13/11
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i always thought google groups were very informative , bt now i have
to change my decision , some stupid insane people also own groups ,
How disgusting , bt nice 2 c a creep like U

Neha

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Mar 13, 2011, 1:20:05 PM3/13/11
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Welcome to RSC!

Neha

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Mar 13, 2011, 2:21:09 PM3/13/11
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On Mar 13, 8:20 am, Neha <neha.female.cricke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Nice article, just read it fully:

It's impossible to take seriously an article that skips
all its articles.

Vikram Padmanabhan

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Mar 13, 2011, 3:19:58 PM3/13/11
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Already answered...because of Strauss in the England match and because
of horrible MO batting by India in the RSA match.

Are you suggesting that India were not in a strong position against
England or against RSA when Sachin was dismissed with teh score at 265
odd with 10 or 11 overs left?

also, whaddya mean by "if he put US in strong position". Surely, you
were rooting for RSA to win given that if India had won, it would have
been because of Tendulkar.

Call Centre

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Mar 13, 2011, 4:07:01 PM3/13/11
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That is true. I was merely using this thread to point out that any
criticism (whether negative or constructive) about Sachin doesn't go
down well with some people.

The individual brilliance of great players in a losing situation is
tough to see. I remember Brian Lara scoring more than 500 runs in a
two test match series against Sri Lanka in Sri lanka. Muralitharan
commented that no one has ever played him that well ever. In one test
match Lara scored a magnificent double century and a century in the
same match. WI still lost that match because the rest of the team did
absolutely nothing to contribute. I believe that was the only instance
(at least till that time) when a batsman who has scored a double
century and a century in a test match still ends up on the losing
team. In previous matches whenever that rare occurence has taken place
the batsmen who has done so has either been on the winning team or the
match has been drawn. So, two all time great players like Lara and
Tendulkar have consistently been on the wrong end of things due to
thier team mates not being able to support them. In this past decade
Tendulkar has been victim to this far less than in the decade of the
90's where he was practically a one man team in one day
internationals.


>
> But there indeed is such a thing as "useless" tons in cricket.  They
> are those that are registered when the match result has already been
> determined.
>
> There are "only" 99 SRT tons to analyze.  Though it would involve some
> subjectivity, it would be a fairly easy matter to try and determine
> which of those centuries were truly useless i.e. if they were made in
> a match were India were destined to lose (or would have gone on to
> draw even if he had got out for a duck instead of scoring a century) .
>
> I suspect that there would be about ten of these in tests (out of 51
> test centuries) and maybe 1 or 2 in ODIs (out of 48 tons).
>
> Take a look at his 2 cents in this WC, for example.  They were first
> innings knocks that put India in a very strong position.  The fact
> that they did not go on to win either match does not make his tons in
> those matches to be of low quality or useless.
>
> Those match results were ultimately determined by other factors i.e.,
> the brilliance of Strauss in the England match and the utter failures

> of Pathan, Kohli etc. in the RSA match.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

madu sudanan

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Mar 14, 2011, 3:51:44 AM3/14/11
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Hi Neha,

You missed(deliberately missed?) to apply the same formula for other
players as well. Lets apply the same formula to his more-comparative
counterpart Sourav Ganguly, out of his 18 winning cause centuries 8
are against minnows. So now his winning percentage is 45.45%(Sachin's
63.15%). You have to apply the same formula to all of them.

1. Brian Lara: 3 of his centuries against minnows so now winning cause
is 68.42%.

2. Sanath Jayasuriya: Out of 24, 6 are against minnows. So now winning
cause 64.28%

3. Saeed Anwar: Only of his century is against minnows.

4. Mohammed Yousuf: Out of 14 winning centuries 6 against minnows. So
53.33%

5 Mahela Jaywardene: 3 winning centuries against minnows. Winning
percentage 76.92%

6. Nathan Astle: 4 winning centuries against minnows. So 62.5%

Some rational things missed in the argument

1. Some players has accompanied with some of the world's greatest
bowlers in their carrier. For eg. Lara with Walsh, Ambrose, Ian
bishop. Throughout his carrier Saeed Anwar is accompanied with Wasim
Akram, Waqar Younis, Aquib Javed, Saqlain Mushtaq, Mushtaq Ahmed and
off late with Sohib Akthar. Note that India never get a world class
pacer since Kapil Dev.
2. Some teams has very high winning percentage in their home like NZ
and SL
3. India's winning percentage is always lesser than most of the
countries in large part of SRT carrier.
4. India's winning percentage is increasing only after 2000.

cheers,
madu.r

madu sudanan

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Mar 14, 2011, 3:53:02 AM3/14/11
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sriram krishnan

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Mar 14, 2011, 5:07:11 AM3/14/11
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Well Said!!!!! Madu..hope neha have no answers for your
questions...SRT always plays his game perfectly..Due to bowlers poor
performance we lost the last match..

There is nothing talk abt SRT, He is a great man in cricket...Peoples
use to say him as goddess of cricket.....

cheers,
sri..

kashif chaudhry

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Mar 14, 2011, 7:51:48 AM3/14/11
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On Mar 13, 8:20 am, Neha <neha.female.cricke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>  From:http://www.cricbeat.com/2011/03/sachin-tendulkars-century-jinx-why-do...
>
> Neha

how come no body is talking abt strike rate here? i mean a strike rate
of around 90 after scoring tons and tons of runs .. how come any one
can say its sachins hundred tht loses india the match? when simply the
reason is that only if other team have performed only half of wut
sachin has done over the years ... such stupid article .. u should
have gone to strike rate in yr first paragraph ..

Benjamin Paulraj

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Mar 14, 2011, 10:21:47 AM3/14/11
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superb.. Sachin is best.....

DRS

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Mar 14, 2011, 1:14:48 PM3/14/11
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On Mar 14, 7:51 am, madu sudanan <madusudan...@gmail.com> wrote:

> 1. Brian Lara: 3 of his centuries against minnows so now winning cause
> is 68.42%.

WTF?

19 centuries, 16 WI won. 3 against minnows, so 16 centuries, 13 times
WI won.

winning ratio 81.25 %

> 2. Sanath Jayasuriya: Out of 24, 6 are against minnows.

> cause 64.28%

so 18/22 win is 81% ratio.

are you f'n blind or just lame or just dont know what percentage
means?

DRS

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Mar 14, 2011, 1:18:11 PM3/14/11
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madu is on dope and u r his follower.

DRS

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Mar 14, 2011, 1:19:07 PM3/14/11
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u know nothing madu. sorry to bring this realization onto you today,
but if you already knew - well then, stop posting sh!t please

madu sudanan

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Mar 14, 2011, 3:03:25 PM3/14/11
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I think u lost it.

Here is how the % is calculated

1. Lara total no of centuries = 19
Winning centuries = 16
winning centuries against minnows = 3
so winning centuries against the test playing nations = (16-3)/
19*100 = 68.42%
Likewise for jayasuriya = (24-6)/28 *100 = 64.28%

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madu sudanan

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Mar 14, 2011, 3:06:08 PM3/14/11
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On Mar 14, 10:19 pm, DRS <dhruv...@gmail.com> wrote:

And it seems u dont know mathematics. Please do ur school exam again :)

Take it Easy

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Mar 14, 2011, 5:48:36 PM3/14/11
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In article <7b4bc2a2-8260-4f7f-9632-7984dbd882c6
@k15g2000prk.googlegroups.com>, gupta...@gmail.com says...
>

> Here is my theory..........when sachin scores runs, the rest of the
> team relaxes and thinks the GOD has scored runs and we will win. When
> he doesn't score runs, the team begins to think, OMG, the GOD got out
> cheaply, and we better work hard to score runs..........and they do.
> Like any other sport, cricket is played in the minds of the players
> as well.....
>
> my two cents.
>
> RG

Agreed.

Takeiteasy.

Andrew Dunford

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Mar 14, 2011, 8:14:46 PM3/14/11
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"DRS" <dhru...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:8464514f-667b-474e...@i39g2000prd.googlegroups.com...


> On Mar 14, 7:51 am, madu sudanan <madusudan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> 1. Brian Lara: 3 of his centuries against minnows so now winning cause
>> is 68.42%.
>
> WTF?
>
> 19 centuries, 16 WI won. 3 against minnows, so 16 centuries, 13 times
> WI won.
>
> winning ratio 81.25 %
>
>> 2. Sanath Jayasuriya: Out of 24, 6 are against minnows.
>> cause 64.28%
>
> so 18/22 win is 81% ratio.
>
> are you f'n blind or just lame or just dont know what percentage
> means?

He's still counting the matches against the minnows even though he is
ignoring the centuries scored in them. A method bound to reduce the
percentages...

Andrew

Andrew Dunford

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Mar 14, 2011, 8:20:34 PM3/14/11
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"madu sudanan" <madusu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:34dc5034-efe0-4b46...@k10g2000prh.googlegroups.com...

<snip>

>Here is how the % is calculated
>
> 1. Lara total no of centuries = 19
> Winning centuries = 16
> winning centuries against minnows = 3
> so winning centuries against the test playing nations = (16-3)/
> 19*100 = 68.42%

Oh look, another Idiot has arrived.

The correct figure is 16 centuries against Test playing nations of which 13
were in victories: 13/16*100 = 81.25%.

Andrew

DRS

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Mar 15, 2011, 6:08:09 AM3/15/11
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On Mar 15, 12:20 am, "Andrew Dunford" <adunf...@artifax.net> wrote:
> "madu sudanan" <madusudan...@gmail.com> wrote in message

and why sachin has better percentages than others is in this way, is
because that idiot does not know that when you have less number of
centuries, than weight of each becomes much higher, and even some
matches against minnows would take down ur percentage drastically. but
if you have many centuries like sachin, then the weight of each minnow
match would be lower and hence his percentage would be higher

madu, two choices - either go back to learn basic maths, or confine
urself to a little room where you have no internet and can not post
any more deluded cr*p

Amit

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Mar 15, 2011, 10:33:08 PM3/15/11
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Very good!!

If Sachin scores a century he gets blamed. If he doesnt score runs ,
he gets blamed.

Amazing how obsessed are people with sachin.

Amit.

Sushant Naik

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Mar 25, 2011, 6:43:21 AM3/25/11
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Why other indian players not playing when sachin makes century?
Specialy the indian caption.

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