> Joe from Kokomo wrote:
>
>>
>>> Joe from Kokomo wrote:
>>
>>>> Oh, and don't forget trump's continually pissing off China -- causing
>>>> them to send a nuclear capable bomber over the South China Sea as a
>>>> message to trump. But not to worry...the poorly educated think this
>>>> escalating international incident is just a "hissy fit".
>>
>> On 12/16/2016 3:52 PM, analogdial wrote:
>>
>>> Looks like the Chinese have recently captured a US underwater drone
>>> which was "measuring oceanic conditions" (NOT spying on the Chinese).
>>> The drone was launched from a US Navy ship with a civilian crew (NOT
>>> CIA). The Pentagon is demanding the not spy drone be returned to the
>>> not CIA crew.
>>>
>>> Any resembalance between the Francis Gary Powers U2 NASA weather study
>>> flight or the Glomar Explorer deep sea mineral recovery mission is
>>> purely coincidental.
>>
>> So what's your point? For better or for worse, intelligence gathering is
>> part of the world today, be it not the CIA or not one of the 16 other
>> intelligence outfits.
On 12/17/2016 2:35 AM, analogdial wrote:
> My point is actually quite simple. We lie about intelligence missions,
> sometimes with stupid lies. Sorry that I misled you about any other
> presumed points.
Well, yet again I miss your point. CERTAINLY we tell lies about
intelligence missions, we're not going to put it in the headlines or
shout secret missions from the roof tops. However, when caught, we do
unfortunately tell stupid lies. Again, all part of the game.
>> When you are referring to the Glomar Explore, the underwater drone folks
>> and Gary Powers, you are talking about people that risked (and are
>> risking) their lives getting intelligence for our nation -- and the same
>> people from the intelligence community that "No Briefings" trump is
>> disbelieving and ridiculing. I for one, will feel better when the orange
>> haired clown, Putin's Best Friend Forever, grows up and starts believing
>> in the intelligence community and attending the briefings.
On 12/17/2016 2:35 AM, analogdial wrote:
> TRUMP very well might not. He should, of course, but that's something
> he might simply defer to the Generals. Appointing the Generals might
> turn out to be one of the brighter spots in his Presidency. I figure
> the Generals have a better sense of the costs of war, better than the
> neo cons and chickenhawks of the Bush administration.
I hope you are right -- but just because they are Generals doesn't mean
they can't be stupid or mentally ill. Wasn't it that clown General Ryan
that believed and was passing along the completely bogus, fake "news
story" about a child sex ring in the basement of a pizza joint? Talk
about stupid. Now there is a General we can all trust. NOT!
> I know that doesn't have to be true. If Curtis Le May had his way
> during the Cuban missle crisis, most of us would be dead.
Agreed. "Bombs away with Curt LeMay!"
>>> It'll be interesting to see how Mr. "art of the deal" handles this
>>> escalating situation.
>>
>> Well, if you call being a blowhard and a bully the "art of the deal",
>> God Bless you. What will most likely happen is that trump will open his
>> big loud mouth and piss off the Chinese yet again.
>
> I dunno. I believe TRUMP deeply wants the admiration of "winners".
> Assuming TRUMP is taking the advice of a "winner" who's competent and
> sane, he might do OK.
I don't know who those "winners" might be. Many Americans would call
Putin a thug and a murderer rather than a winner. So trump does indeed
want admiration -- from *anybody*, "winner" or not, just so they feed
his massive ego.
>> We should all be afraid, very afraid, of the dangerous clown that the
>> poorly educated put in charge. :-(
On 12/17/2016 2:35 AM, analogdial wrote:
> We had two bad choices.
Agreed
> I believe Hillary is even worse, in that she's
> predictably bad. Hillary displays a devoutly positive mindset about
> American military intervention. Bomb Kosovo! Invade Iraq!
Why single out Hillary for Iraq? 90 or 95% of Congress voted to invade
Iraq along with her. And I will play you the tape of trump saying he was
for invading Iraq.
I will also play you the tapes of trump saying "I love war" and "Bomb
the shit out of them".
> Kill Khadaffi!
So what? I don't remember anybody crying when W Bush said kill Saddam.
> Dump Assad for who knows what!
>
> When TRUMP makes mistakes, he just tells some lies and goes on.
Wrong. trump NEVER, EVER, NEVER admits to any mistakes. His MASSIVE ego
and narcissism won't let him.
> Hardly admirable, but at least he lets go of his mistakes. When did Hillary
> finally admit her Iraq vote was a mistake? In 2005, when Bush's lies
> became obvious? In 2008, when she ran against Obama? Why wait until
> she was gearing up for the 2016 run?
Again, when did 95% of Congress admit *their* Iraq vote was a mistake?
Please don't forget that W told massive lies about Iraq that sucked in
most of Congress.