Re: ham radiosd transmitting on public service frequencies
Roger
"radioguy" <radio...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>>Just for the sake of argument let's say a cop pulls you over or otherwise
>>>you find yourself in a situation where >>>some authority discovers your
>>>radio transmits on public service frequencies. I wouldn't want to be in
>>>your >>>shoes when the poo hits the fan
Legal FCC-approved (federally-approved unmodified 70 centimeter ham
radios transmit on public service frequencies straight out of the box
directly from the factory or store.
Because under FEDERAL law, they are shared frequencies.
They are the SAME frequencies.
So the strupid idiotcops have absolutely NO business arresting,
fining, and jaiing hams just because their radios can transmit on
their police frequencies.
For a cop to do so, confiscate a scanner, when the scanner owner has not met
requirements constitutes only a minor misdemeanor.
Licensed Ham ops are allowed to have scanners and Ham rigs that can receive
pub service frequencies.
No Ham is allowed to TX on public service frequencies with his or her Ham
rig even if it can transmit there.
And, dumbass...most cops won't or don't have the knowledge to see or
determine if the radio in the car of a "pullover" can transmit on their
frequencies.
You are a Troll.
You should be ignored.
richard
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>>>>Just for the sake of argument let's say a cop pulls you over or otherwise you find yourself in a situation where >>>some authority discovers your radio transmits on public service frequencies. I wouldn't want to be in your >>>shoes when the poo hits the fan
>
> Legal FCC-approved (federally-approved unmodified 70 centimeter ham
> radios transmit on public service frequencies straight out of the box
> directly from the factory or store.
>
> Because under FEDERAL law, they are shared frequencies.
>
> They are the SAME frequencies.
>
> So the strupid idiotcops have absolutely NO business arresting,
> fining, and jaiing hams just because their radios can transmit on
> their police frequencies.
Actually, they can. Police and fire emergency services have priority.
If it is deemed that the ham operator is causing interference to the
communications, then he can be charged.
Even though 420 - 450mhz is shared, an actual specific frequency might not
be.
Just because that radio can transmit on any particular frequency out of the
box, doesn't mean you have the legal right to do so.
richard
If your radio is capable of transmitting on public service channels, and
you do so, you are violating the law. For one, to do so you need to be
authorized and have a license for that frequency.
Kentucky law, e.g., says that a scanning radio can be confiscated IF that
radio transmits on public service channels. The exception being, a licensed
amateur radio operator.
Note the word IF. This does not mean the cop can legally take your betty
bearcat scanner.
you
richard <mem...@newsguy.com> wrote:
Actually NO, the LEO can NOT enforce FCC Rules and Regulations, in the
senerio above, and should he/she try, they can be prosecuted for
exceeding their Authority. An FCC Agent can investigate such violations
of said FCC Rules and Regulations, inspect Licensed Stations, and seal
Radio Gear in the OFF, non-powered State, Request to inspect a
non-licensed Station, but can NOT enter that location if the REQUEST is
refused by the OWNER of the Land or Building. FCC Agents are NOT able to
Confiscate, or Arrest ANYONE for such violations. If they need "muscle"
to do the later, then on Land they go get the local US Marshal, and on
water they go grab the local USCG Officer, who CAN, and Will make those
things happen, when the FCC Agent has made the case. Lots of LEOs think
that they can do these things, but when they get into a court of Law,
they find their case thrown out due to the above stated lack of
jurisdiction, and if the fellow so arrested, has a Good and Smart
Mouthpiece, can actually get significant DAMAGES from the LEOs
government. I have dealt with such cases, and invariably, the thing gets
resolved by the local Prosecutor, long before they ever get in front of
the Judge, because he, if he is smart, researches the Federal Statutes,
and reams out the LEO, BIG TIME, and tries to quietly make the whole
thing GO AWAY..... if he isn't all that smart, then he gets his ass
handed to him in Court, by the defendants smarter Mouthpiece, and if the
Judge goes along with the local guys, the whole case gets overturned on
appeal, when they get to a REAL court of LAW with a Judge who follows
the LAW.....
Bob Vaughan
radioguy <radio...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>>>Just for the sake of argument let's say a cop pulls you over or
>otherwise you find yourself in a situation where >>>some authority
>discovers your radio transmits on public service frequencies. I wouldn't
>want to be in your >>>shoes when the poo hits the fan
>
>Legal FCC-approved (federally-approved unmodified 70 centimeter ham
>radios transmit on public service frequencies straight out of the box
>directly from the factory or store.
>
>Because under FEDERAL law, they are shared frequencies.
>
>They are the SAME frequencies.
Actually, they are NOT the same frequencies.
Radios designed for 70cm amateur use are normally limited to transmitting
between 420-450 Mhz, and for most FM radios, 440-450 Mhz (the FM segment).
While they can be modified, they are not normally able to transmit out of
the amateur band without modification.
420-450 Mhz is allocated to amateur radio on a secondary basis, and to
radiolocation (ie: radar) on a primary basis.
In some areas of the country (north of "line A", ~50 miles south of the
Canadian border), and (east of "line C", along the eastern edge of Alaska,
~50 miles west of the Canadian border), 420-430 Mhz has been removed from
the amateur service, and may be reallocated to land mobile use, subject
to coordination with Canada.
47 CFR 2.106 footnote US230 indicates that certain segments in the 420-430
Mhz band are allocated to land mobile service for non-federal uses within
50 miles of Detroit MI, Buffalo NY, and Cleveland OH, which are along, or
very close to, the Canadian border.
So, if you are using a unmodified FM radio built for part 97 amateur use,
it probably will not transmit on 420-430 Mhz by default, which is the
only segment that is reallocated. Since the segment is reallocated, not
shared, there is no shared use.
However, there is nothing in the FCC regulations that would prevent a
amateur radio operator from using a radio built for part 90 land mobile
service on the amateur bands, and such radios are capable of being
programmed for frequencies shared with public safety. After all, they are
the same general type of radios used by public safety agencies.
It is the responsibility of the licensee to adhere to the conditions
of their license.
>
>So the strupid idiotcops have absolutely NO business arresting,
>fining, and jaiing hams just because their radios can transmit on
>their police frequencies.
>
Very true.. The FCC takes a very dim view of local law enforcement
attempting to enforce laws relating to telecommnications, over which
the locals have no jurisdiction whatsoever.
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richard
Still, interfering (deliberately or not) with public service units such as
fire and police are criminal acts punishable usually by state law.
Do not the FCC rules and regs also state that when a public service unit
has been issued a license to operate on that shared frequency that said
unit has priority over amateur radio service?
richard
http://www.myvalleynews.com/story/47559/
Scroll down aways and you'll find a paragraph that states, she was issued a
license to operate on "Adjacent" frequencies, but not on actual police
frequencies.
If she bought a radio that was capable of transmitting on known assigned
police frequencies, then that radio should be banned as being illegal.
As it permits transmissions outside of the allotted frequencies.
Does having a radio that has voice and code capabilities give you the legal
right to transmit voice on code only frequencies?
Your viewpoint says yes.
richard
http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php?t=32203
So you're going to continue stating your belief the amateur radio operator
is always the winner?
As you can see, the FCC can yank your license if they want to.
richard
> On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 23:19:36 -0700, richard <mem...@newsguy.com>
> wrote:
>
>>http://www.myvalleynews.com/story/47559/
>>
>>Scroll down aways and you'll find a paragraph that states, she was issued a
>>license to operate on "Adjacent" frequencies, but not on actual police
>>frequencies.
>>
>>If she bought a radio that was capable of transmitting on known assigned
>>police frequencies,
>
> Please, prey tell, what are "known assigned police frequencies"?
>
>>then that radio should be banned as being illegal.
>
> WTF?
>
> My car can do 140. Well over the speed limit. Should my car be
> illegal?
>
>>As it permits transmissions outside of the allotted frequencies.
>
> Almost every ham radio nowdays can be modified to transmit outside ham
> frequencies - generally by removing a single diode. And it can often
> be done with tweezers.
Oh so you finally found me here too huh?
Must be really really boring.
FYI, asswipe, the FCC has numerous rules and regs on what is considered to
be an illegal radio. One of the most common infractions is a radio that is
designed to transmit on 10 meters, but can also be easily modified to
transmit on 11 meters, the CB band. Ergo, transmitting out of the legal
range.
If you, as a properly licensed operator, operate on a frequency you are not
entitled to, even as a ham, you can get your license yanked.
As you ARE a licensed ham, you should know this.
You are required to know it.
Barry OGrady
wrote:
>On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 11:05:05 -0900, you wrote:
Yes. There are no leagally enforcable code only frequencies.
>Your viewpoint says yes.
Barry OGrady
>On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 23:19:36 -0700, richard <mem...@newsguy.com>
>wrote:
>
>>http://www.myvalleynews.com/story/47559/
>>
>>Scroll down aways and you'll find a paragraph that states, she was issued a
>>license to operate on "Adjacent" frequencies, but not on actual police
>>frequencies.
>>
>>If she bought a radio that was capable of transmitting on known assigned
>>police frequencies,
>
>Please, prey tell, what are "known assigned police frequencies"?
>
>>then that radio should be banned as being illegal.
>
>WTF?
>
>My car can do 140. Well over the speed limit. Should my car be
>illegal?
I have driven at 190 in a 1975 model car, and my current car
speedo reads to 260.
>>As it permits transmissions outside of the allotted frequencies.
>
>Almost every ham radio nowdays can be modified to transmit outside ham
>frequencies - generally by removing a single diode. And it can often
>be done with tweezers.
My FT-50 was 'modified' without opening the case.
>--
Don Priebe
>>legal
>>right to transmit voice on code only frequencies?
>
> Yes. There are no leagally enforcable code only frequencies.
The correct answer to the question is NO.
However the statement that there are no legally enforceable code only
frequencies may be technically correct if 'code' is used in the historical
sense to mean (International) Morse Code. The existing 'code' only
frequency bands (e.g. 3.500 to 3.600 MHz) also permit RTTY and other data
encoding protocols. They do not permit voice (AM, FM, SSB, etc.)
--
Don in Upstate NY W2IN
Barry OGrady
Is that a legally enforceable thing or a gentlemen's agreement?
Roy
Its by FCC rule. The regulations specify what emission type (and power)
is allowed on what frequencies.
John
"Roy" <aa...@aa4re.ampr.org> wrote in message
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This answer only applies to HF bands in the US. There are CW only
frequencies in
the 6 and 2 meter bands. Other countries have other rules.
radioguy
> On Fri, 31 Dec 2010 04:44:53 +0000 (UTC), Bob Vaughan wrote:
and just how were the MURS users who were travellers on the free way
supposed to know that they were "interfering with police frequencies"
on 154.570 mhz when they heard absolutely nothing on the channel until
after they tried to talk to their friends on 154.570 mhz and the
police department transmitted back all p.o.'ed that some people they
didn't know (private U.S. citizens) was transmitting on their puiblic
safety "police channel" of 154.570 mhz??????
and those travellers were monitoring the whole time on their vacation
(travels)
>
> Still, interfering (deliberately or not) with public service units such as
> fire and police are criminal acts punishable usually by state law.
See above. You say they can be pubnished for interfering with the
police on 154.570 mhz even though they did not deliberately interfere
with them.
As I understand the rule, it is NOT interference if you're (they're)
transmitting when you hear no one on teh channel after monitoring it,
and not transmitting over the top of them when the police are talking.
But of course, if they could hear the police and transmitted, that
would be deliberate interference which they would be guilty of, but
didn't and even if they did, which they didn't, is a matter for the
FCC to handle, not the local-yokel cops.
So the only way to interfere with them not deliverately is what
happened, not knowing anyone else was on the channel ssince they were
monitoring it for a very long time, transmitted when they needed to,
the the police come back which you claim they are responsible for even
though it wasn't delibarate interfering since it was interfering with
the police. (Not the way I understand the FCC rules say).
And the police claiming it's illegal delibarate interference for them
to transmit on the "police channel" (154. 570 mhz) 9even though it
wasn't delibarate since the police didn't transmit unti AFTER they
heard the private citizens transmit.)
The FCC rules plainly say that the NURS channels MUST be SHARED and
will NOT be assigned exclusively to any one group, person, business,
or organization.
>
> Do not the FCC rules and regs also state that when a public service unit
> has been issued a license to operate on that shared frequency that said
> unit has priority over amateur radio service?- Hide quoted text -
And just which public service agency has the FCC ever licensed to use
154.570 MHZ as their main police frequency or their main public
service frequency????
Furthermore, just which police or public service agency has the FCC
ever licensed to use 154.570 mhz as their police freqiuency or public
service frequency???
Before itr was MURS, it was a business band frequency, NOT a police or
public-servuce frequency.
>
> - Show quoted text -
Scott in Baltimore
> Not according to tjhe FCC which is FEDERAL law. There is a police
> department (located near a an interstate freeway) which uses the MURS
> channel 154.570 MHZ for it's daily police business.
Care to tell us the jurisdiction so an inquiry to the FCC can be made?
Bill Graham
>>
>> Scroll down aways and you'll find a paragraph that states, she was
>> issued a license to operate on "Adjacent" frequencies, but not on
>> actual police frequencies.
>>
>> If she bought a radio that was capable of transmitting on known
>> assigned police frequencies,
>
>
>
>
> My car can do 140. Well over the speed limit. Should my car be
> illegal?
>
>
> frequencies - generally by removing a single diode. And it can often
> be done with tweezers.
Banning radios that can operate on certain selected frequencies is just
another of the thousands of unenforceable laws that the liberals love. Why
not tax them first, and then ban them? That would be the best of both of the
liberals worlds.....
Barry OGrady
Fair enough.
richard
In this case he is right.
MURS Designated Frequencies
MURS 1 = 151.8200
MURS 2 = 151.8800
MURS 3 = 151.9400
MURS 4 = 154.5700
MURS 5 = 154.6000
In this case, the PD has no business claiming their territory since the FCC
has stated the frequency is open channel.
That's kind of like a PD using CB and demanding the citizens stay off the
channel.
richard
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> On Dec 30, 11:44 am, richard <mem...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 05:20:54 -0500, Roger wrote:
>>> "radioguy" <radioguy...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> On Dec 30, 11:44 am, richard <mem...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 05:20:54 -0500, Roger wrote:
>>> "radioguy" <radioguy...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> Not according to tjhe FCC which is FEDERAL law. There is a police
> department (located near a an interstate freeway) which uses the MURS
> channel 154.570 MHZ for it's daily police business.
>
> Although MURS isn't as heavily used as CB or frs, there are some
> users.
Dude, the FCC assigns who can use any frequency. MURS is not amateur radio.
The 2 meter amateur radio band consists of frequency between 144mhz and
148mz.
Just because you have a radio that can transmit outside that band, does not
grant you authority to do so.
Roger Wiseman
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Jim Hampton
Back when I was in college, the local police used 27 MHz CB. Open to all.
And one of the idiot students made a rude remark to one of the cops.
He was given a choice - resign and leave the school or face charges. He
dropped out.
MURS is not amateur. Nearest amateur is 2 meter (144-148 MHz). 70 CM is
the 440 MHz band. And in certain areas, it is highly regulated. Near
Arecibo is one for instance.
160 meters used to be highly regulated in some areas (including Rochester,
NY), due to LORAN.
Things change.
73 from Rochester, NY
Jim
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Not according to tjhe FCC which is FEDERAL law. There is a police
department (located near a an interstate freeway) which uses the MURS
channel 154.570 MHZ for it's daily police business.
Although MURS isn't as heavily used as CB or frs, there are some
users.
When travellers down the freeway using MURS radios (and perfectly
legal FCC-certified radios), they listen hear no one talking and
transmit when they need to, the the police department using the MURS
frequencies gets all P.O'ed and replies by raadio, tells them to stop
illegally transmitting on the police channel and to get off the police
channels, and if they don't they will arrrest and jail them and
confiscate their radios because their radios are illegal since they
are able to transmit on the police channel
and that if they don't have the proper paper license (isssued by that
police department) to allow them to transmit on that radio frequency,
the y WILL be jailed, after being arrested and fined for illegal
possesion of a radio capable of transmitting on police frequencies
which their state law specifically says is aagainst the lawe to have.
Acording to you and the police, I and everyon e else need a license to
transmit on the police frequency of 154.570 MHZ or we're not allowed
to transmit at all.
According to the FCC (which is FEDERAL law), NO ONE needs a license to
transmit their because every citizen of the U.S. is already licensed
by rule to transmit there.
According to you and the police, I and everyone else am not allowed to
have our MURS radios because it is illegal to ghave such a radio
sincer it can transmit on the police channel of 154.570 MHZ
being used by the police.
According to the FCC (which is FEDERAL law, the radios are NOT
illegal and are in fact perfectly LEGAL for EVERY citizen of the U.S.
to have and transmit on.
And no MURS frequencies will be assigned exclusively to one group or
one person or one agency. The channels MUST be SHARED. That is FEDERAL
law.
So once again, the police have absolutely no right arressting, fining,
or jailing me or anyone else, or confiscating mine or anyone else's
perfectly-legal FCC-approved radios just because the radios can
transmit on their police frequency ("police channel" of 154.570 MHZ
Furthermore, from everything I read, the FCC has never ever assigned
154.570 MHZ to any police or public safety groups.
The frequency was a business channel used by commercial businesses
before it was a MURS frequency.
Also, there were many cars made which came directly from the factory
with radios which could tune into the audio portion of the tv
broadcast stations and had the normal scan button to search them
(which also searched for am and fm radio broadcast stations if you
had it set for the am or fm band instead of the tv band.
Ever since the tv stations have been removed from that band by the FCC
last year (2009), those factory-installed car radios now tune into the
700 MHZ police channels instead of the 700 MHZ tv channels because
there aren't any tv stations on those channels anymore.
So now when the geberal public pushes the scan button to search for
their tv station audio, it only stops on police and public safety
channels and acts just like a scanner.
The cops will arrest you for having such a radio installed in your car
even though it was factory-installed in all those model cars by the
manufacturer before they were first sold by the manufacturer because
it violates their state laws of "you shall not equip, install, nor
have equipped or installed in your car any scanner which now or
hereafter recieves police frequencies now allocated or allocated in
the futture by the FCC or it's sucessor in your vehicle.
Even though it was installed in your car BEFORE the new rules (new
law) went into effect.
Which makes it an ex-post-facto law and a violation of the U.S.
Constitution.
So any cop or city arresting, fining, or jailing you for that is
holding you on an illegal ex-post-facto law.
illegaly
>
> Kentucky law, e.g., says that a scanning radio can be confiscated IF that
> radio transmits on public service channels. The exception being, a
> licensed
> amateur radio operator.
>
> Note the word IF. This does not mean the cop can legally take your betty
> bearcat scanner.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
See above
>
> Kentucky law, e.g., says that a scanning radio can be confiscated IF that
> radio transmits on public service channels. The exception being, a
> licensed
> amateur radio operator.
>
> Note the word IF. This does not mean the cop can legally take your betty
> bearcat scanner.- Hide quoted text -
Jim Hampton
Understand that there are no sanity tests required to get a license.
The guy is lucky that is all he got for a penalty.
BTW, that article is from 2003 .... uh ...???
73 from Rochester, NY
Jim
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Scott in Baltimore
Yes, you responded to a troll.
radioguy
Its not like them using CB. It IS them using CB and demanding the
citizens stay off the channel.
not only does the murs site state it is cb, so does the fcc on the fcc
website.
the fcc says it is a citizens band frequency
for all citizens no licensce req\uired
and that those frequencies will NOT be assigned to any one individual
or group.
radioguy
> ?That 156 MHz frequency is *not* an amateur frequency.
of course it isnt. It IS A CB frequency.
> Understand that there are no sanity tests required to get a license.
> The guy is lucky that is all he got for a penalty.
>
> BTW, that article is from 2003 .... uh ...???
>
> 73 from Rochester, NY
> Jim
>
> "richard" <mem...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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> > On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 11:05:05 -0900, you wrote:
>
> >> In article <xm7zcohixb8d$....@evanplatt.sux>,
> > As you can see, the FCC can yank your license if they want to.- Hide quoted text -
radioguy
> On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 05:20:54 -0500, Roger wrote:
> > "radioguy" <radioguy...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:3564d2b0-4fd8-4954...@g25g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>>>Just for the sake of argument let's say a cop pulls you over or otherwise
> >>>>you find yourself in a situation where >>>some authority discovers your
> >>>>radio transmits on public service frequencies. I wouldn't want to be in
> >>>>your >>>shoes when the poo hits the fan
>
> > Legal FCC-approved (federally-approved unmodified 70 centimeter ham
> > radios transmit on public service frequencies straight out of the box
> > directly from the factory or store.
>
> > Because under FEDERAL law, they are shared frequencies.
>
> > They are the SAME frequencies.
>
> > So the strupid idiotcops have absolutely NO business arresting,
> > fining, and jaiing hams just because their radios can transmit on
> > their police frequencies.
>
> > requirements constitutes only a minor misdemeanor.
> > Licensed Ham ops are allowed to have scanners and Ham rigs that can receive
> > pub service frequencies.
> > No Ham is allowed to TX on public service frequencies with his or her Ham
> > rig even if it can transmit there.
> > And, dumbass...most cops won't or don't have the knowledge to see or
> > determine if the radio in the car of a "pullover" can transmit on their
> > frequencies.
> > You are a Troll.
> > You should be ignored.
>
> If your radio is capable of transmitting on public service channels, and
> you do so, you are violating the law. For one, to do so you need to be
> authorized and have a license for that frequency.
>
> radio transmits on public service channels. The exception being, a licensed
> amateur radio operator.
definitely. the fcc preemtion sure didnt do that ham any good even
though his radio could not tx or rx on police frequencies and he had
legal help from the arrl and the cops could not reproduce what the
arresting cops claimed even from the same spot. and all the charges
from it except one stuck after it went to court.
the court dropped the "using a radio which can recieve police
transmissions" charge, however the kentucky court ruled that since
police use a walkie talkie that anyone carrying a walkie-talkie IS
illegally impersonating a polce officer and anyonne showing an ares
card is also illegally impersonating a police officer.
and ruled that the fcc has asolutely no authority over local laws
regarding impersonating a police office and that the fcc is oit of
their urisdiction and overstepping their jurisdiction y trying to
preemt local laws regarding whether a person is impersonating a cop or
not.
so that charge and another charge and the fine for for them stayed
even though he was operating completely legally according to fcc
rules. and was not dressed as a police officer.
te kentucky court claimed it is illegally since simply having a two
way radio is "illegally impersonating a police officer" since cops
carry two way radios (even though he was not dressed as a cop and did
not impersonate a cop, and did not transmit on any cop frequencies.
his radio was incapale of it and incapale o eing modifie to do so, and
he was only talking to other hams on it on ham frequencies.
so what good did the fcc preemtion do him? absoluteely nothing.
he got a raw deal. except for one, all the charges from him simply
legally talking to other hams on his ham radio stayed since the FCC
does not have any urisdiction over local laws aout imprtsonating
police officers.
>
> Note the word IF. This does not mean the cop can legally take your betty
> bearcat scanner.- Hide quoted text -
radioguy
so according to you, a police department can just decide to use the 27
mhz c channel 14 for all their communications and when some traveller
comes along , hears nothing and calls out eaker reaker 14 to his
friend, the police can claim ge interference and arrest him forr
interfereing with them since it is "unintentional interference"
ecause your state law says so even though the FCC says it is open to
ALL citizens of the U.S. and will NOT be assigned to any one
individual o one group?
where does your state get off superceding FEDERAL laws???
your police department wold sure have a field day setting up their
regular police operations on 27 mhz CB channel 19 ans arresting all
the truckers and other highway travelles who decide to transmit on
their "exclusive police frequency"' of CB channel 19 even though the
police werent talking at the time since it is "interfering with them"
to do so since they decided to use CB channel 19 as their main police
channel 24/7.
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radioguy
> On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 11:05:05 -0900, you wrote:
> > In article <xm7zcohixb8d$....@evanplatt.sux>,
> > richard <mem...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>
>
> >>> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> >>>>>>Just for the sake of argument let's say a cop pulls you over or otherwise
> >>>>>>you find yourself in a situation where >>>some authority discovers your
> >>>>>>radio transmits on public service frequencies. I wouldn't want to be in
> >>>>>>your >>>shoes when the poo hits the fan
>
> >>> Legal FCC-approved (federally-approved unmodified 70 centimeter ham
> >>> radios transmit on public service frequencies straight out of the box
> >>> directly from the factory or store.
>
> >>> Because under FEDERAL law, they are shared frequencies.
>
> >>> They are the SAME frequencies.
>
> >>> fining, and jaiing hams just because their radios can transmit on
> >>> their police frequencies.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
well, if they can afford it, someone is going to get sued if the FCC
yanks their license for simply possessing a radio which the FCC itself
said is perfectly legal for anyone to have.
when they did not make any illegal transmissions on any frequency at
all
when the cops confiscate it simply because it is capable of
transmitting on the police fequency which is either a ham radio
frequency in most of the nation or a CB frequeency in the entire
nation.
you
<b2c58093-bb94-4a1f...@fo10g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
radioguy <radio...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> so according to you, a police department can just decide to use the 27
> mhz c channel 14 for all their communications and when some traveller
> comes along , hears nothing and calls out eaker reaker 14 to his
> friend, the police can claim ge interference and arrest him forr
> interfereing with them since it is "unintentional interference"
> ecause your state law says so even though the FCC says it is open to
> ALL citizens of the U.S. and will NOT be assigned to any one
> individual o one group?
>
> where does your state get off superceding FEDERAL laws???
>
> your police department wold sure have a field day setting up their
> regular police operations on 27 mhz CB channel 19 ans arresting all
> the truckers and other highway travelles who decide to transmit on
> their "exclusive police frequency"' of CB channel 19 even though the
> police werent talking at the time since it is "interfering with them"
> to do so since they decided to use CB channel 19 as their main police
> channel 24/7.
Where do you come up with all this CRAP????
There is NO provision in CFR 47 Part 95 SubPart D for ANY local Police
Fire or other Public Safety Outfit to commandeer any authorized
Frequency for their specific use. Therefor your premise is BOGUS from
the get-go.. Any local LEO who tries to enforce, such a contingency,
will find him/her self in a serious confrontation with the local FCC
Office when it becomes know, and the local US Attorney soon there after.
I have known local Podunk Sheriffs, to be locked up in their own jails,
by a US Marshal, for tangling with FCC field Agents, about such
violations of CFR 47.
you
<73d6a706-dd02-452e...@f20g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>,
radioguy <radio...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jan 9, 2:42 am, "Jim Hampton" <aa...@frontiernet.net> wrote:
> > ?That 156 MHz frequency is *not* an amateur frequency.
>
> of course it isnt. It IS A CB frequency.
Sonny, you need to go back and reread CFR 47 Part 95 AGAIN.
the frequency above in NOT a CB (Citizens Band Radio Service) Frequency,
PERIOD. It is a MURS (Multi-Use Radio Service) Frequency, and th two are
totally different Radio Services in CFR 47 Part 95.... Lordy Your an
IDIOT....
kb9rqz
> In article
> <73d6a706-dd02-452e-b203-ddd45cef4...@f20g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>,
>
> radioguy <radioguy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Jan 9, 2:42 am, "Jim Hampton" <aa...@frontiernet.net> wrote:
> > > ?That 156 MHz frequency is *not* an amateur frequency.
>
> > of course it isnt. It IS A CB frequency.
>
> Sonny, you need to go back and reread CFR 47 Part 95 AGAIN.
> the frequency above in NOT a CB (Citizens Band Radio Service) Frequency,
> PERIOD. It is a MURS (Multi-Use Radio Service) Frequency, and th two are
> totally different Radio Services in CFR 47 Part 95.... Lordy Your an
> IDIOT....
Roger Wiseman
"radioguy" <radio...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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kb9rqz
> WTF don't you shut the hell up already?
hooked by a troll
>
> "radioguy" <radioguy...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:646ed542-45d7-4f5d...@l7g2000vbv.googlegroups.com...
kb9rqz
radioguy
>
> > > WTF don't you shut the hell up already?
>
> > hooked by a troll
>
>>
> of course it isnt. It IS A CB frequency.
<Sonny, you need to go back and reread CFR 47 Part 95 AGAIN.
<the frequency above in NOT a CB (Citizens Band Radio Service)
Frequency,
<PERIOD. It is a MURS (Multi-Use Radio Service) Frequency, and th two
are
<totally different Radio Services in CFR 47 Part 95.... Lordy Your an
<IDIOT
"4. Is MURS "VHF CB"?
Yes. MURS is the only "VHF Citizens Band" in the United States
available for general two-way voice and data communications.
MURS is one of five Citizens Band Radio Services. (See 95.401.) The
others are the (original) Citizens Band Radio Service at 27 MHz, the
Low Power Radio Service (LPRS) at 216-217 MHz, the Medical Implant
Communications Service (MICS), the Family Radio Service (FRS) at 460
MHz, and the Wireless Medical Telemetry Service (WMTS).
The General Mobile Radio Service (GMRS) at 460 MHz is sometimes (if
incorrectly) described as "the old UHF CB." That description has no
legal or historical basis in fact. GMRS is the former Class A of the
Citizens Radio Service, but was never "Citizens Band" as such.
LPRS, though legally a form of CB, allows only certain limited uses
including theft tracking, auditory and health care assistance devices
and control stations in automated maritime radio networks. No two-way
voice communications are permitted in LPRS.
MICS and WMTS, though also legally a form of CB, allow only certain
limited medical telemetry transmissions, usually in a hospital or
health-care setting.
The FCC is currently considering an additional CB service. "Personal
Locator Beacons" (PLBs) would be alerting devices that persons would
be able to use in remote areas to summon assistance in emergencies.
MURS, CB, GMRS, FRS, WMTS and LPRS are all members of the Personal
Radio Services as designated by the FCC. The Personal Radio Services
should not be confused with the Personal Communications Services (PCS)
in the 900 and 1900 MHz bands."
http://home.provide.net/~prsg/murs_faq.htm#Q4