[SI] Yet another bad one
Bowser
dickr2
Maybe it's just me, but I think some travel photos document places
you've been, people, sites and other shots that can be placed in an
album for reminiscing years from now. "Remember when you were standing
on that corner in San Francisco?" The photo certainly isn't an artistic
masterpiece, but it is a keepsake.
JMHO
Dick
Alan Browne
Certainly. And that's all the shot was meant to be.
But as a photo it's just horrible. Mid day. No fill flash. Backpack
hanging on the hydrant. Clutter. Other tourist making same shot
(backlit no less) on the edge of the frame. Ya-da-yada. Cliché of that
famous corner now a part of a tourist magnet with the same damned kind
of shops you find anywhere else in their tourist traps...
(I was rushed. To frame the street signs on the sun side of the shot I
was standing in the traffic flow of Ashbury ... I could practically hear
the regulars: "Ah, cripes not another fricken tourist standing in the
street again...".)
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Savageduck
> The latest addition to Bad Travel:
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> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/132292512
Crepe e
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tony cooper
<alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>On 2011.02.04 16:39 , dickr2 wrote:
>> Bowser wrote:
>>> The latest addition to Bad Travel:
>>>
>>> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/132292512
>>
>> Maybe it's just me, but I think some travel photos document places
>> you've been, people, sites and other shots that can be placed in an
>> album for reminiscing years from now. "Remember when you were standing
>> on that corner in San Francisco?" The photo certainly isn't an artistic
>> masterpiece, but it is a keepsake.
>
>Certainly. And that's all the shot was meant to be.
>
>But as a photo it's just horrible. Mid day. No fill flash. Backpack
>hanging on the hydrant. Clutter. Other tourist making same shot
>(backlit no less) on the edge of the frame. Ya-da-yada. Clich� of that
>famous corner now a part of a tourist magnet with the same damned kind
>of shops you find anywhere else in their tourist traps...
>
>(I was rushed. To frame the street signs on the sun side of the shot I
>was standing in the traffic flow of Ashbury ... I could practically hear
>the regulars: "Ah, cripes not another fricken tourist standing in the
>street again...".)
Not to mention no flowers in her hair.
Scott McKenzie did the iconic version of "If You Come To San
Francisco", but the Mamas & the Papas come to mind whenever I hear a
song from this era.
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Robert Coe
: The latest addition to Bad Travel:
:
: http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/132292512
Very nice! The picture is crooked, ugly, and poorly cropped. But the
outstanding touch is that the photographer under the "Crepe E" sign appears to
be a miniature figure mounted atop the pole beside the fire hydrant. All in
all, an exceptional response to the mandate.
At least Saint Frank has a street sign at the corner of Haight and Ashbury. In
Cambridge there's NO SIGN at the corner of Bow and Arrow Streets! :^(
Bob
Paul Furman
Did she have particularly ugly shoes that you didn't want to show?
<evil grin>
Bill Graham
I thought it was great. My wife lived two blocks from there for several
years. (Cole and Carl Sts) I fowarded it to her. It reminded us of the good
old days in SF.......
Bill Graham
Looks to me like it was either the shoes or the Haight-Ashbury sign........
Paul Furman
Back up and squat down or walk uphill some & use a longer lens?
Paul Furman
Back when you were producing rock concerts?
Savageduck
That is an amusing thought. Back then Bill was developing his intense
hatred of all things Californian; vehicle registration fees, State
taxes, Cal formula gas, smoking restrictions, everything but his job at
Stanford, and planning his escape to Oregon.
Bill why is it that after you abandoned California for Oregon, you are
nostalgic for old SF?
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Bill Graham
I wish....But then, He is dead. (screwing around with a helicopter in the
fog) and I am still alive......So maybe its good that I never made enough
money to play with helicopters.
Bill Graham
You said it right there. The operative phrase is, "Old SF". They destroyed
SF years ago when they replaced the old produce district with the
Embarcadero Center, and playland at the beach with those stupid condos that
nobody bought. Yes, I do have nostaglia for old SF. But then, I guess most
everyonein my age bracket has nostaglia for old, 'someplace or other.'
Paul Furman
> Savageduck wrote:
> Paul Furman said:
>>> Bill Graham wrote:
>>>
>>>> reminded us of the good old days in SF.......
>>>
>>> Back when you were producing rock concerts?
>>
>> That is an amusing thought. Back then Bill was developing his intense
>> hatred of all things Californian; vehicle registration fees, State
>> taxes, Cal formula gas, smoking restrictions, everything but his job
>> at Stanford, and planning his escape to Oregon.
>>
>> Bill why is it that after you abandoned California for Oregon, you are
>> nostalgic for old SF?
>
> You said it right there. The operative phrase is, "Old SF". They
> destroyed SF years ago when they replaced the old produce district with
> the Embarcadero Center, and playland at the beach with those stupid
> condos that nobody bought. Yes, I do have nostaglia for old SF. But
> then, I guess most everyonein my age bracket has nostaglia for old,
> 'someplace or other.'
The Embarcadero is great since the freeway came down due to the 89
quake. I can't believe the waterfront was ringed by a double decker
freeway before! You are probably talking about the Embarcadero Center
though. The produce market is south of Potrero Hill now, it's just a big
nasty industrial area for wholesale produce exchange but there are lots
of farmer's markets across town. Lots of improvements in recent years,
lots of good changes in the 23 years I've been here. The only real
negative I suppose is gentrification/expenisive-ication.
Bill Graham
Back in the old days, the produce district was where the Embarcadero Center
buildings are now. It was a wonderful place, full of little bistros and bars
and lawyers offices and little import-export houses manned by one or two
people, and bookstores and the like. It was my wife and I's favorite
playground. When they moved it to South City, the whole character of SF was
changed forever, and not for the better.
philo
> The latest addition to Bad Travel:
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> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/132292512
good memories
I was there for two weeks in '68
tony cooper
wrote:
I spent a week in San Francisco at the height of the, Flower Power,
hippie, Haight-Ashbury is the place to be time. The thing I remember
most about the girls I saw there was that their feet were dirty since
most were either barefoot or wearing sandals. It wasn't just that
day's dirt, either. Free love was in, but showers must have been out.
I did pay a visit to the Poets Plaza and to City Lights bookstore.
Never saw Ferlinghetti, though. Bought a copy of Ginsberg's "Howl" at
the City Lights just because it seemed the right thing to buy from
there. I still have it somewhere.
Paul Furman
> Paul Furman wrote:
>> Bill Graham wrote:
>>> Savageduck wrote:
>>> Paul Furman said:
>>>>> Bill Graham wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> reminded us of the good old days in SF.......
>>>>>
>>>>> Back when you were producing rock concerts?
>>>>
>>>> That is an amusing thought. Back then Bill was developing his
>>>> intense hatred of all things Californian; vehicle registration
>>>> fees, State taxes, Cal formula gas, smoking restrictions,
>>>> everything but his job at Stanford, and planning his escape to
>>>> Oregon. Bill why is it that after you abandoned California for
>>>> Oregon, you are nostalgic for old SF?
>>>
>>> You said it right there. The operative phrase is, "Old SF". They
>>> destroyed SF years ago when they replaced the old produce district
>>> with the Embarcadero Center, and playland at the beach
>>> with those stupid condos that nobody bought.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=San+Francisco,+CA&aq=0&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=73.086131,98.876953&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=San+Francisco,+California&ll=37.772123,-122.51016&spn=0.004609,0.006035&t=h&z=18
>>> Yes, I do have nostaglia for old SF.
>>> But then, I guess most everyone in my age bracket has nostaglia
>>> for old, 'someplace or other.'
I found the little house where we lived till I was two in downtown
Chicago, it's still there and looking great. I showed it to my 80-year
old mother on google street view and she freaked out because it was 100
years old when they bought it and they basically saved it from
demolition - it was already way too small and out of scale 47 years ago,
what a treat that it's still around and well maintained:
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=3158+N+Hudson+Ave+Chicago,+IL+60657&safe=off&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=3158+N+Hudson+Ave,+Chicago,+Cook,+Illinois+60657&gl=us&sqi=2&ll=41.93939,-87.640885&spn=0.002161,0.003017&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=41.939475,-87.640891&panoid=D9ntyWM0q17tQ1nP-6PGqw&cbp=12,226.59,,0,1.24
>> The Embarcadero is great since the freeway came down due to the 89
>> quake. I can't believe the waterfront was ringed by a double decker
>> freeway before! You are probably talking about the Embarcadero Center
>> though. The produce market is south of Potrero Hill now, it's just a
>> big nasty industrial area for wholesale produce exchange but there
>> are lots of farmer's markets across town. Lots of improvements in
>> recent years, lots of good changes in the 23 years I've been here.
>> The only real negative I suppose is gentrification/expenisive-ication.
>
> Back in the old days, the produce district was where the Embarcadero
> Center buildings are now. It was a wonderful place, full of little
> bistros and bars and lawyers offices and little import-export houses
> manned by one or two people, and bookstores and the like. It was my wife
> and I's favorite playground. When they moved it to South City, the whole
> character of SF was changed forever, and not for the better.
There are still lots of small local owned shops and neighborhoods with
their own character that evolve with time. The flower market is still
functioning, tons of farmer's markets, etc. Most of the big nasty public
housing projects have been replaced with mixed income condos more in
scale with the urban fabric. Probably you remember before those housing
projects, before the Embarcadero freeway, before Japantown flattened
that whole area with a mall, but it's worked out OK, the Japantown mall
is mostly small businesses, many of the small movie theaters are still
operating, there's even a small independent film theater in the
Embarcadero Center! I think the EC is cool, better than a lot of massive
60's/70's projects. That kind of downtown location just can't be used
for little 1 story shops. Jackson Square is still intact, Chinatown,
North Beach, basically the same rich fine textured urban fare.
Back on topic about photos, here's a pic of the Embarcadero Center
buildings: http://www.flickr.com/photos/edgehill/3491922830/
-I like how they broke up the axial side of the three buildings into
smaller scale slabs - better than most sky scrapers.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/edgehill/2841355517/
-that park was freeway!
More recently, the whole waterfront has been revamped for pedestrians:
http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=sunday+streets&w=21068427%40N08&page=3
-Sunday Streets, a new thing they are trying a few times each summer
across town for bikes & kids to enjoy the best of town car-free. The
Third Street corridor has a new light transit line from the new ballpark
downtown past the new medical campus to Bayview, the old trolleys are
runniing again up Market to Castro. Lots of new parks and miniparks, and
parking spaces reclaimed for cafe tables. Nothing to lament really. Some
things get destroyed but it's fun to watch it rebuild and evolve. The
ramshackle 1880's cottage I lived in 6 years ago was up 4 dozen steps
surrounded by vacant cliff lots 15 years ago and it's all built up now
but it was well built and still interesting.
Robert Coe
And a wider angle would have negated the miniature photographer on the pole
beside the hydrant. I think Alan did the worst he could have done under the
circumstances.
Bob
Alan Browne
Lens coverage angle does not change perspective.
Robert Coe
<alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
Imprecision on my part, I guess. I should have said "a wider-angle lens",
which would have made the photographer appear to be farther behind the hydrant
than she appears in your submitted shot.
Bob
George Kerby
On 2/4/11 6:50 PM, in article vb6dndCjTqcjA9HQ...@giganews.com,
"Bill Graham" <we...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 2011.02.04 16:39 , dickr2 wrote:
>>> Bowser wrote:
>>>> The latest addition to Bad Travel:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/132292512
>>>
>>> Maybe it's just me, but I think some travel photos document places
>>> you've been, people, sites and other shots that can be placed in an
>>> album for reminiscing years from now. "Remember when you were
>>> standing on that corner in San Francisco?" The photo certainly isn't
>>> an artistic masterpiece, but it is a keepsake.
>>
>> Certainly. And that's all the shot was meant to be.
>>
>> But as a photo it's just horrible. Mid day. No fill flash. Backpack
>> hanging on the hydrant. Clutter. Other tourist making same shot
>> (backlit no less) on the edge of the frame. Ya-da-yada. Clich� of
>> that famous corner now a part of a tourist magnet with the same
>> damned kind of shops you find anywhere else in their tourist traps...
>>
>> (I was rushed. To frame the street signs on the sun side of the shot
>> I was standing in the traffic flow of Ashbury ... I could practically
>> hear the regulars: "Ah, cripes not another fricken tourist standing
>> in the street again...".)
>
> I thought it was great. My wife lived two blocks from there for several
> years. (Cole and Carl Sts) I fowarded it to her. It reminded us of the good
> old days in SF.......
>
So you are THAT Bill Graham. Heavy, man!
George Kerby
On 2/4/11 6:54 PM, in article D8qdnXMl86pDAtHQ...@giganews.com,
"Paul Furman" <paul-@-edgehill.net> wrote:
> Bill Graham wrote:
>> Alan Browne wrote:
>>> On 2011.02.04 16:39 , dickr2 wrote:
>>>> Bowser wrote:
>>>>> The latest addition to Bad Travel:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/132292512
>>>>
>>>> Maybe it's just me, but I think some travel photos document places
>>>> you've been, people, sites and other shots that can be placed in an
>>>> album for reminiscing years from now. "Remember when you were
>>>> standing on that corner in San Francisco?" The photo certainly isn't
>>>> an artistic masterpiece, but it is a keepsake.
>>>
>>> Certainly. And that's all the shot was meant to be.
>>>
>>> But as a photo it's just horrible. Mid day. No fill flash. Backpack
>>> hanging on the hydrant. Clutter. Other tourist making same shot
>>> (backlit no less) on the edge of the frame. Ya-da-yada. Clich� of
>>> that famous corner now a part of a tourist magnet with the same
>>> damned kind of shops you find anywhere else in their tourist traps...
>>>
>>> (I was rushed. To frame the street signs on the sun side of the shot
>>> I was standing in the traffic flow of Ashbury ... I could practically
>>> hear the regulars: "Ah, cripes not another fricken tourist standing
>>> in the street again...".)
>>
>> I thought it was great. My wife lived two blocks from there for several
>> years. (Cole and Carl Sts) I fowarded it to her. It reminded us of the
>> good old days in SF.......
>
> Back when you were producing rock concerts?
Damn, beat me to it!
Robert Coe
wrote:
:
:
:
: On 2/4/11 6:50 PM, in article vb6dndCjTqcjA9HQ...@giganews.com,
All right, I'll bite: What Bill Graham is that?
I think we already knew he wasn't the preacher.
Bob
Savageduck
> On Sat, 05 Feb 2011 09:52:42 -0600, George Kerby <ghost_...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> :
> :
> :
> : On 2/4/11 6:50 PM, in article vb6dndCjTqcjA9HQ...@giganews.com,
> : "Bill Graham" <we...@comcast.net> wrote:
> :
> : > Alan Browne wrote:
> : >> On 2011.02.04 16:39 , dickr2 wrote:
> : >>> Bowser wrote:
> : >>>> The latest addition to Bad Travel:
> : >>>>
> : >>>> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/132292512
> : >>>
> < Le Snip>
> :
> : So you are THAT Bill Graham. Heavy, man!
>
> All right, I'll bite: What Bill Graham is that?
>
> I think we already knew he wasn't the preacher.
>
> Bob
The referred to Bill Graham was the Bay area rock concert promoter, of
Fillmore West & Fillmore East, Altamont, and Shoreline Amphitheater
fame. He was killed when his helicopter flew into a power line tower.
Our Bill, is the Bill Graham formerly of the Stanford University
Maintenance Department, and noted tax protestor fame.
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Regards,
Savageduck
Robert Coe
wrote:
Thanks for the clarification. It was a bit hard to imagine our Bill Graham as
a promoter of rock concerts. Not that I know that much about rock concerts;
I've never even been to one.
Bob
Bill Graham
If by, "That Bill Graham", you mean the rock group promoter, then no....I am
not he. He died in a helicopter accident about 20 years ago, and "Bill
Graham" wasn't his real name anyway. He was a Polish guy so his name was
probably nearly unpronounceable. No, I am just an average Bill Graham, who
lived and worked in Northern California for 40 years, and am now retired and
living in Salem, Oregon.
Bill Graham
My wife and I went to one at the, "Fillmore" many years ago, and saw, "Sha
Na Na" The Marijuana smoke inside the auditoriom got us high just trying to
breathe the air. We sure ate a big dinner at Vlastas Czech restaurant
afterward......
George Kerby
On 2/5/11 10:38 AM, in article
2011020508385899097-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom, "Savageduck"
<savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
Thank you, Mr. Duck, for representing my position in my absence.
George Kerby
On 2/5/11 5:21 PM, in article t6mdnYTrs7MLRtDQ...@giganews.com,
"Bill Graham" <we...@comcast.net> wrote:
That's OK, Bill. I'm not THAT George Kerby either, LOL!
Peter N
>>
>> Thanks for the clarification. It was a bit hard to imagine our Bill
>> Graham as a promoter of rock concerts. Not that I know that much
>> about rock concerts; I've never even been to one.
I've been to two. the first when dating my wife, who was 16 at the time.
The second many years later when our daughter, who worked for the
promoter at the time, got us VIP front row seats, complete with beverage
service. We were both hearing impaired for about a week after the event.
>
> My wife and I went to one at the, "Fillmore" many years ago, and saw,
> "Sha Na Na" The Marijuana smoke inside the auditoriom got us high just
> trying to breathe the air. We sure ate a big dinner at Vlastas Czech
> restaurant afterward......
You must be a hoot when high.
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Peter
Bowser
I am Spartacus!
Peter N
So that' why you slavishly work ant the SI.
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Peter
Annika1980
> The latest addition to Bad Travel:
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> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/132292512
Once the center of Free Love, now populated by old hookers.
otter
Back from your wanderings? Got anything new to show?
Peter N
I prefer the term "young at heart hookers."
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Peter
Savageduck
I sense an oncoming bout of the verbal expression of hormonal
distress(or is that whore moanal?) about to befall this NG.
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Regards,
Savageduck
Peter N
If you want to make a hormone, pinch her hard, in a sensitive spot.
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Peter
Peter N
A few years ago I heard one moan rather loudly. It happened at the Taj
in Atlantic City. She had just learned that her fee was paid with a
tournament chip.
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Peter
Savageduck
That is worth its weight in plastic.
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Savageduck
Peter N
Rich wouldn't agree. He would say it's not worth its weight.
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Peter
Tom Yost
xMmJ9NHQnZ2d...@giganews.com:
> The latest addition to Bad Travel:
>
> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/132292512
My first visit to San Francisco was in the summer of '68. I was a lad of 12
,travelling with my family on an epic Griswold-like western road trip of
four weeks duration.
I remember being in the lobby of a museum somewhere near the wharf. A
couple came in and approached the information booth and asked "Where do we
go to see the hippies?"
The info booth lady cheerfully pulled out a tour map and marked the
directions (to Haight-Ashbury, I assume)
I also remember spending my hard earned paper route money on some beads and
a peace sign.
That seems like a million years ago.
Bill Graham
In those days there was a store in SF called, "French's Furniture". They
were 10 percenters, and they had their office near where Mission street goes
under the freeway and turns South into the, "Mission District." they didn't
just deal in furniture, but could get you most anything for 10% over the
wholesale price. I bought several Hi-Fi items from them back in the 60's. I
wonder if they are still in business?