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nothermark

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Mar 20, 2016, 9:19:56 AM3/20/16
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Watching him on Meet the Press. The one thing that is clear is that
he has an ego bigger than the country. ;-)

George Anthony

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Mar 20, 2016, 10:45:57 AM3/20/16
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nothermark <nothe...@not.here> wrote:
> Watching him on Meet the Press. The one thing that is clear is that
> he has an ego bigger than the country. ;-)
>

He's a politician.

nothermark

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Mar 20, 2016, 11:04:13 AM3/20/16
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He is a politician's politician. Most of them do at least a bit of
humble. Not him.

Hank

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Mar 20, 2016, 4:56:15 PM3/20/16
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On Sunday, March 20, 2016 at 9:19:56 AM UTC-4, nothermark wrote:
> Watching him on Meet the Press. The one thing that is clear is that
> he has an ego bigger than the country. ;-)

He was pulled over by the police and given a ticket just before he was elected. After he was elected he called the cop an idiot at some function he was speaking at. Videos are available on u tube of the stop and the comments he made. He is not a big fan of cops/firefighters.

I waste my vote on a libertarian before I vote for him. :-)

Hank

George Anthony

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Mar 20, 2016, 5:03:26 PM3/20/16
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Not likely you will have to make that choice.

debbie

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Mar 20, 2016, 7:24:04 PM3/20/16
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On 3/20/2016 9:19 AM, nothermark wrote:
> Watching him on Meet the Press. The one thing that is clear is that
> he has an ego bigger than the country. ;-)
>
You mean much like the guy who is president now:)

nothermark

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Mar 20, 2016, 8:09:24 PM3/20/16
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On Sun, 20 Mar 2016 19:24:03 -0400, debbie <deb...@area51outreach.com>
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the mighty o is not even close to kasich

Lone Haranguer

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Mar 20, 2016, 8:35:52 PM3/20/16
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With a fairly decent track record.

LZ

debbie

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Mar 20, 2016, 8:50:04 PM3/20/16
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Matter of opinion. I am not a Kasich an, but I have never seen anyone
more arrogant or egotistical than the one in office now.

nothermark

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Mar 20, 2016, 9:04:18 PM3/20/16
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On Sun, 20 Mar 2016 20:50:04 -0400, debbie <deb...@area51outreach.com>
wrote:

>On 3/20/2016 8:09 PM, nothermark wrote:
>> On Sun, 20 Mar 2016 19:24:03 -0400, debbie <deb...@area51outreach.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/20/2016 9:19 AM, nothermark wrote:
>>>> Watching him on Meet the Press. The one thing that is clear is that
>>>> he has an ego bigger than the country. ;-)
>>>>
>>> You mean much like the guy who is president now:)
>>
>> the mighty o is not even close to kasich
>>
>Matter of opinion. I am not a Kasich an, but I have never seen anyone
>more arrogant or egotistical than the one in office now.

Start watching Kasich.

debbie

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Mar 20, 2016, 9:09:06 PM3/20/16
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I have not watched him but I did hear him on the radio and he is as you
say, but I still maintain the president we have now is worse. My opinion
is my own and I know you will disagree.

nothermark

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Mar 21, 2016, 9:26:35 AM3/21/16
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On Sun, 20 Mar 2016 21:09:04 -0400, debbie <deb...@area51outreach.com>
Your opinion is yours and you are welcome to it.

That said I have never heard O as arrogant as K. Enough said.

dm_callier

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Mar 21, 2016, 12:27:18 PM3/21/16
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I find it quite interesting folks describe the current President as "arrogant"...I hear an echo of "uppity" in there some where. When I look at Presidents during my short lifetime, I'd have to rate Nixon and Clinton as the most arrogant...and I voted for both of them...twice...

Major Oz

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Mar 21, 2016, 1:01:41 PM3/21/16
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On Monday, March 21, 2016 at 11:27:18 AM UTC-5, dm_callier wrote:
> I find it quite interesting folks describe the current President as "arrogant"...I hear an echo of "uppity" in there some where.

...and some hear the voices of gods and aliens....

> When I look at Presidents during my short lifetime, I'd have to rate Nixon and Clinton as the most arrogant...and I voted for both of them...twice...

Nixon was virtually terminally shy.......yes: shy. He was also a brilliant nerd, who had no clue of social niceties. My sources say, however, that he was as warm in person as LBJ or Reagan.

....

With few exceptions, those that reach the level of reaching for and sometimes attaining the presidency ARE -- kinda have to be -- somewhat arrogant, in the campaign.

Once in office, however, a level of adulthood should ensue.

Obama never achieved it.

...caveat: I realize that any criticism of The Messiah will be read, by the usual suspects, as racist. That speaks to them, not to me.

Where the media made the Kennedys into royalty and Hillary tried really hard for Bill -- and, by extension, her -- to be recognized as such, Obama did it for himself.

He has always seen himself as superior....above the "common folk". And if we have ever approached an Imelda Marcos, Michelle hit the jackpot.

Just observe his interaction with the military around him. See the looks on their faces (faces of all colors) when they are sure nobody is looking...


Ok, rev al, et all...........your turn.....

George Anthony

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Mar 21, 2016, 1:02:00 PM3/21/16
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...and if you include Obama, you're a three time loser. Obama is the most
self-important, pompous, arrogant individual to ever sit behind the
Resolute desk.

Owen McKenzie

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Mar 21, 2016, 2:48:40 PM3/21/16
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http://www.nationalreview.com/article/432981/barack-obamas-foreign-policy-narcissistic

--

Owen McKenzie

I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding
because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have
not a single political argument left.
Margaret Thatcher

dm_callier

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Mar 21, 2016, 3:47:46 PM3/21/16
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On Monday, March 21, 2016 at 10:01:41 AM UTC-7, Major Oz wrote:
<snip>
>
> Nixon was virtually terminally shy.......yes: shy. He was also a brilliant nerd, who had no clue of social niceties. My sources say, however, that he was as warm in person as LBJ or Reagan.

Really...well, shy or not, when he won re-election in a landslide he brought ruin upon himself by condoning and covering up a burglary by people who sought his re-election. Putting oneself above the law might qualify as arrogant.

Anywho...checking the InterWebs brought up some more tinder for the campfire; the following link doesn't even have the current President making the top 10:

http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2013/11/18/most-and-least-narcissistic-u-s-presidents/

But I'm sure you can find plenty of other sites that would disagree in the great echo chamber of the ether.

Enjoy the day...dmc

Major Oz

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Mar 21, 2016, 5:18:49 PM3/21/16
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Read the original, also.

First......it's psychology.

Second.....published in Psychological (giggle,giggle) SCIENCE.

....apparently by those who claim psych to be science.

As such, it is eminently dismissable....even if it wasn't agenda based.



I love shit like this.

Publish....something....get promoted...publish more shit....get tenure....

In a universe without without rigor.



...but....interesting aid to discussion, as long as we don't synonymize arrogance and narcissism.

George Anthony

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Mar 21, 2016, 5:28:00 PM3/21/16
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"dm_callier" wrote in message
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On Monday, March 21, 2016 at 10:01:41 AM UTC-7, Major Oz wrote:
<snip>
>
> Nixon was virtually terminally shy.......yes: shy. He was also a
> brilliant nerd, who had no clue of social niceties. My sources say,
> however, that he was as warm in person as LBJ or Reagan.

Really...well, shy or not, when he won re-election in a landslide he brought
ruin upon himself by condoning and covering up a burglary by people who
sought his re-election. Putting oneself above the law might qualify as
arrogant.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hmmm, seems like there's a democrat candidate running now that fits that
description.
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George Anthony

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Mar 21, 2016, 6:42:12 PM3/21/16
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They sit around harrumphing and harrumphing in their sports jackets with
the leather elbow pads, puffing on their pipes and waxing philosophically.
Not one has yet to contribute anything useful to society. People complain
about the cost of college education. Get rid of most of the administrators
and philosophers and tuition might be affordable. But... it's nice work if
you can get it.

nothermark

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Mar 21, 2016, 7:53:19 PM3/21/16
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You are really missing the point. Listen to O and listen to K and you
can see it if you want to.

debbie

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Mar 21, 2016, 8:23:07 PM3/21/16
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I have listened to both. My original thoughts have not changed. Enough
said.

Bruce

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Mar 21, 2016, 8:26:17 PM3/21/16
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On 3/21/2016 9:58 AM, George Anthony wrote:
> dm_callier <dm.ca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I find it quite interesting folks describe the current President as
>> "arrogant"...I hear an echo of "uppity" in there some where. When I look
>> at Presidents during my short lifetime, I'd have to rate Nixon and
>> Clinton as the most arrogant...and I voted for both of them...twice...
>>
>
> ....and if you include Obama, you're a three time loser. Obama is the most
> self-important, pompous, arrogant individual to ever sit behind the
> Resolute desk.

That's easy to say from your perspective of having seen only a dozen (or
fewer) presidents in action. From everything I have read and heard,
0bama is not near as bad as Theodore Roosevelt or Woodrow Wilson.

--
Bruce

"It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from it's
government." -- Thomas Paine

Bruce

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Mar 21, 2016, 8:33:15 PM3/21/16
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Since that list had best and worst 10 lists, I am inspired to recommend
a book I am reading:

9 Presidents Who Screwed Up America: And Four Who Tried to Save Her --
Brion McClanahan

This book is written from a slightly different perspective from other
Best and Worst Presidents lists in that is based on how well each of
them upheld their oath of office and fulfilled the duties and
limitations of the Constitution. Very different from the usual lists.

Vito

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Mar 21, 2016, 9:47:38 PM3/21/16
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On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 16:28:14 -0500, "George Anthony"
<gant...@gmail.org> wrote:

>
>
>"dm_callier" wrote in message
>news:7791d614-83d8-4cab...@googlegroups.com...
>
>On Monday, March 21, 2016 at 10:01:41 AM UTC-7, Major Oz wrote:
><snip>
>>
>> Nixon was virtually terminally shy.......yes: shy. He was also a
>> brilliant nerd, who had no clue of social niceties. My sources say,
>> however, that he was as warm in person as LBJ or Reagan.
>
>Really...well, shy or not, when he won re-election in a landslide he brought
>ruin upon himself by condoning and covering up a burglary by people who
>sought his re-election. Putting oneself above the law might qualify as
>arrogant.
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Hmmm, seems like there's a democrat candidate running now that fits that
>description.
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

True ... but Watergate did NOT bring down Nixon, he was re-elected
long after that scandal broke. Nobody cared because the Democrats had
done the exact same things and worse.

Vito

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Mar 21, 2016, 9:51:02 PM3/21/16
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On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 19:53:18 -0400, nothermark <nothe...@not.here>
wrote:
>You are really missing the point. Listen to O and listen to K and you
>can see it if you want to.

Only in the one we don't like. The other is a saint. Ask anybody.

George Anthony

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Mar 21, 2016, 9:59:49 PM3/21/16
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Bruce <bruce...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 3/21/2016 9:58 AM, George Anthony wrote:
>> dm_callier <dm.ca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I find it quite interesting folks describe the current President as
>>> "arrogant"...I hear an echo of "uppity" in there some where. When I look
>>> at Presidents during my short lifetime, I'd have to rate Nixon and
>>> Clinton as the most arrogant...and I voted for both of them...twice...
>>>
>>
>> ....and if you include Obama, you're a three time loser. Obama is the most
>> self-important, pompous, arrogant individual to ever sit behind the
>> Resolute desk.
>
> That's easy to say from your perspective of having seen only a dozen (or
> fewer) presidents in action. From everything I have read and heard,
> 0bama is not near as bad as Theodore Roosevelt or Woodrow Wilson.
>

Not surprising, they were both progressives. But I still can't imagine them
being more self-centered than the Egoist in Chief.

kmiller

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Mar 21, 2016, 11:19:32 PM3/21/16
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On 3/21/2016 11:49 AM, Owen McKenzie wrote:
> On 3/21/2016 9:26 AM, nothermark wrote:
>> On Sun, 20 Mar 2016 21:09:04 -0400, debbie <deb...@area51outreach.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/20/2016 9:04 PM, nothermark wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 20 Mar 2016 20:50:04 -0400, debbie <deb...@area51outreach.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 3/20/2016 8:09 PM, nothermark wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 20 Mar 2016 19:24:03 -0400, debbie <deb...@area51outreach.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/20/2016 9:19 AM, nothermark wrote:
>>>>>>>> Watching him on Meet the Press. The one thing that is clear is that
>>>>>>>> he has an ego bigger than the country. ;-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You mean much like the guy who is president now:)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the mighty o is not even close to kasich
>>>>>>
>>>>> Matter of opinion. I am not a Kasich an, but I have never seen anyone
>>>>> more arrogant or egotistical than the one in office now.
>>>>
>>>> Start watching Kasich.
>>>>
>>> I have not watched him but I did hear him on the radio and he is as you
>>> say, but I still maintain the president we have now is worse. My opinion
>>> is my own and I know you will disagree.
>>
>> Your opinion is yours and you are welcome to it.
>>
>> That said I have never heard O as arrogant as K. Enough said.
>>
> http://www.nationalreview.com/article/432981/barack-obamas-foreign-policy-narcissistic
>

http://www.cogwriter.com/barack-obama-prophecy-antichrist.htm

Vito

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Mar 22, 2016, 6:50:15 AM3/22/16
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On Mon, 21 Mar 2016 20:19:31 -0700, kmiller
<i09...@removethisspamblockerstuff-yahoo.com> wrote:

>http://www.cogwriter.com/barack-obama-prophecy-antichrist.htm

And then people wonder why I do not trust superstitious people.

debbie

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Mar 22, 2016, 7:44:17 AM3/22/16
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I knew a couple of people who thought Bill Gates was the anti-Christ.

nothermark

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On Tue, 22 Mar 2016 07:44:16 -0400, debbie <deb...@area51outreach.com>
wrote:
Nah, it's Balmer.

;-)

George Anthony

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Mar 22, 2016, 9:50:23 AM3/22/16
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Actually, if there is a such thing as an anti-Christ, it's liberalism.

Owen McKenzie

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Mar 22, 2016, 11:13:47 AM3/22/16
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On 3/21/2016 11:19 PM, kmiller wrote:
> On 3/21/2016 11:49 AM, Owen McKenzie wrote:
>>
>> http://www.nationalreview.com/article/432981/barack-obamas-foreign-policy-narcissistic
>>
>>
>
> http://www.cogwriter.com/barack-obama-prophecy-antichrist.htm

Nah. He's not fooling nearly enough people.

kmiller

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On 3/22/2016 8:14 AM, Owen McKenzie wrote:
> On 3/21/2016 11:19 PM, kmiller wrote:
>> On 3/21/2016 11:49 AM, Owen McKenzie wrote:
>>>
>>> http://www.nationalreview.com/article/432981/barack-obamas-foreign-policy-narcissistic
>>>
>>>
>>
>> http://www.cogwriter.com/barack-obama-prophecy-antichrist.htm
>
> Nah. He's not fooling nearly enough people.
>

How many is "enough"?

Lone Haranguer

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Mar 22, 2016, 11:34:43 AM3/22/16
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As bad as those two were, Obama is more arrogant when it comes to
ignoring the Constitution and adding to his presidential powers.

When it comes to dealing with other heads of state, he's a toady.

LZ

Lone Haranguer

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Mar 22, 2016, 5:24:49 PM3/22/16
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I don't wonder about that...but I do wonder about your choices of
reading material.

A psychiatrist would have some definite conclusions about your choices.

LZ

Vito

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Mar 22, 2016, 7:35:44 PM3/22/16
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The Bible????

Lone Haranguer

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Mar 23, 2016, 10:33:40 AM3/23/16
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Especially your fascination with passages that contradict each other.

LZ

Hunter Hampton

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Mar 23, 2016, 1:03:49 PM3/23/16
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On 3/20/2016 8:50 PM, debbie wrote:
> Matter of opinion. I am not a Kasich an, but I have never seen anyone
> more arrogant or egotistical than the one in office now.


You need to get out more...... meet Donald Trump.

Hunter

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nothermark

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Mar 23, 2016, 1:54:48 PM3/23/16
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The difference is that Trump says "I should get the nomination because
I have almost half the delegates". Kasich says "I should get the
nomination because I am the better man".

Lone Haranguer

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On 3/23/2016 10:03 AM, Hunter Hampton wrote:
> On 3/20/2016 8:50 PM, debbie wrote:
>> Matter of opinion. I am not a Kasich an, but I have never seen anyone
>> more arrogant or egotistical than the one in office now.
>
>
> You need to get out more...... meet Donald Trump.
>
> Hunter
>
The thing is, I think Trump knows he's an egotistical windbag whereas
Obama views himself as a royal personage.

LZ

Frank Howell

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Mar 23, 2016, 4:26:30 PM3/23/16
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NO, NO, it's who has the biggest hands that will win!

--
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Hank

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Mar 23, 2016, 5:07:15 PM3/23/16
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On Wednesday, March 23, 2016 at 4:26:30 PM UTC-4, Frank Howell wrote:

> > The difference is that Trump says "I should get the nomination because
> > I have almost half the delegates". Kasich says "I should get the
> > nomination because I am the better man".
> >
> NO, NO, it's who has the biggest hands that will win!
>
> --
> Frank Howell

Oh, I get it now. That must be the reason Carly Fiorina dropped out. My dad always told me to marry a girl with small hands because the small hands make your dick look bigger. I should've listened to him.

Hank

Lone Haranguer

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Mar 23, 2016, 7:44:04 PM3/23/16
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I've heard that if you hit it with a hammer a few times it will swell up.

LZ

RMcBane

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Mar 24, 2016, 12:48:07 AM3/24/16
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Are you sure you want her hand to swell up?



--
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Technobarbarian

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Mar 24, 2016, 9:51:20 AM3/24/16
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"Hunter Hampton" <airstrea...@geemail.com> wrote in message
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> On 3/20/2016 8:50 PM, debbie wrote:
>> Matter of opinion. I am not a Kasich an, but I have never seen anyone
>> more arrogant or egotistical than the one in office now.
>
>
> You need to get out more...... meet Donald Trump.

That's the thing that kills me about this discussion. A certain
amount of narcissism is pretty much a job requirement for our politicians,
but Trump blows the top off the charts. He makes Obama, Kasich, and the rest
look shy and retiring. I would have expected anyone who leans Republican to
lose interest in this subject. By nominating Trump they have, in effect,
decided that this isn't an important problem and might even be a positive
attribute even though they've been whinging about narcissism for the last 8
years. Instead they're pointing everywhere but the orange elephant in the
room.

Vito

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Mar 24, 2016, 10:32:08 AM3/24/16
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IMHO most of Trump's abrasive demeanor is the result of living in NYC
vs narcissim. It's a cultural thing vs a personal thing. What is
considered normal in NYC could get you a broken face in SW Texas. NYrs
I have worked with sound just like Trump but in fact are teddy bears.
From the news, that goes for Trump too.

It's moot anyway. The GOP would rather see Hillary as president than
risk Trump putting them in prison.

debbie

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Mar 24, 2016, 10:48:41 AM3/24/16
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No fan of his, but he just seems like a typical New Yorker to me.
Abrasive and pushy.

nothermark

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Mar 24, 2016, 12:08:20 PM3/24/16
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On Thu, 24 Mar 2016 06:51:18 -0700, "Technobarbarian"
<Technobarbar...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
From my perspective Trump has the cattle. Kasich just has a hat.

Hunter Hampton

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On 3/24/2016 10:48 AM, debbie wrote:
> No fan of his, but he just seems like a typical New Yorker to me.
> Abrasive and pushy.


LOL..... as I said, You need to get out more. New Yorkers give what
they get.

Major Oz

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Mar 24, 2016, 1:54:53 PM3/24/16
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Everyone running for office MUST exhibit characteristics many interpret as narcissism. Having it after election is a pathological problem, as is apparent in the current resident of OUR White House.

der D's narcissism is, IMO, 90% bluster, and I view that as just fine.

(In the old days, Rush was 99% bluster, but, over the years, began to take himself seriously.)

D, however is brilliant man. You may not like him, but he is brilliant. He gets shit done. Were he to be the same blustery braggart in genuine, closed door, negotiations, he would never be able to pull of his successes.

So, for those who worry how he would deal with Merkel, Putin, Xi Jinping, or ISIS.........not to worry.

Major Oz

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Mar 24, 2016, 1:56:58 PM3/24/16
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On Thursday, March 24, 2016 at 11:20:36 AM UTC-5, Hunter Hampton wrote:
> On 3/24/2016 10:48 AM, debbie wrote:
> > No fan of his, but he just seems like a typical New Yorker to me.
> > Abrasive and pushy.
>
>
> LOL..... as I said, You need to get out more. New Yorkers give what
> they get.

So does most anyone.....NY CITIERS, however, are simply louder and nastier about it.

Technobarbarian

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"debbie" <deb...@area51outreach.com> wrote in message
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You can defend, define and "explain" it any way you like. The mystery
remains the same. Republicans have been telling us what a terrible fault
this was in Obama, even though he isn't outstandingly narcissistic when
measured against other Presidents and many other politicians, and now that
Trump has taken that same trait to a whole new level it's seen as something
positive--for Trump, but only Trump. Normally I would expect Republicans to
either have a good explanation or shut up about the subject, and yet, here
we are with people going on about minor league narcissists like Trump wasn't
sitting in there in the middle of the subject in all his orange glory.

Vito

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Mar 24, 2016, 2:56:56 PM3/24/16
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I think that many see Trump as having earned the right to be bossy and
narcisstic by having been successful in business. None of the others
have been. They are only successful at feeding on the public. That
may be an incorrect assessment of Trump but I think that is why many
are willing to forgive the same trait they condemn in, say, Obama.

Unknown

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Mar 24, 2016, 3:16:27 PM3/24/16
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I wonder if the REPUBLICANS in Alabama are going to willing to
"forgive" their "family values" Governor?

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/alabamas-family-values-governor-mired-sex-scandal


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nothermark

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Mar 24, 2016, 3:39:39 PM3/24/16
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On Thu, 24 Mar 2016 14:56:17 -0400, Vito <vi...@cfl.rr.com> wrote:

Anybody can buy the hat. Some have the cattle and some don't. ;-)

Lone Haranguer

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Mar 24, 2016, 5:29:20 PM3/24/16
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Not if she only has one of them.

LZ

debbie

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Mar 24, 2016, 5:46:29 PM3/24/16
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I am by no means defending any candidate. I do not like a single one
running. I am not a Republican, although in some ways I am a
conservative. That being said, I have voted for Democrats when I thought
they were not the worst choice.

Lone Haranguer

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Mar 24, 2016, 6:20:33 PM3/24/16
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Oh Yah? When did that happen?

LZ

Technobarbarian

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"debbie" <deb...@area51outreach.com> wrote in message
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Actually you did exactly that, but I'm not trying to single you out.
This whole thread is pretty insane, even by RORT standards. I thought Hunter
did a pretty good job of pointing that out.

George Anthony

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Mar 24, 2016, 7:58:18 PM3/24/16
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They are ALWAYS the worst choice.

Hunter Hampton

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Mar 24, 2016, 8:16:48 PM3/24/16
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On 3/24/2016 5:46 PM, debbie wrote:
> I am by no means defending any candidate. I do not like a single one
> running. I am not a Republican, although in some ways I am a
> conservative. That being said, I have voted for Democrats when I thought
> they were not the worst choice.


Good, we can count on your vote then.

Major Oz

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Mar 24, 2016, 8:24:39 PM3/24/16
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Sam Nunn ?

Major Oz

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Mar 24, 2016, 8:29:49 PM3/24/16
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On Thursday, March 24, 2016 at 4:46:29 PM UTC-5, debbie wrote:
>
> I am by no means defending any candidate. I do not like a single one
> running. I am not a Republican, although in some ways I am a
> conservative. That being said, I have voted for Democrats when I thought
> they were not the worst choice.

That is what all intelligent people do.

I voted for Dixie Lee Ray for gov the same year I voted for Gerald Ford.

She won....he didn't.

Next time around, I voted for her and Reagan.

He won....she didn't (but I met them both, in person)

George Anthony

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Mar 24, 2016, 8:45:49 PM3/24/16
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I live in the present.

Major Oz

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Mar 24, 2016, 9:32:38 PM3/24/16
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...uh...ok...

Apparently ALWAYS includes ONLY the present.

...nice to know for future discussions....

Max

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Mar 24, 2016, 10:16:37 PM3/24/16
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On Sunday, March 20, 2016 at 6:50:04 PM UTC-6, debbie wrote:
> On 3/20/2016 8:09 PM, nothermark wrote:
> > On Sun, 20 Mar 2016 19:24:03 -0400, debbie <deb...@area51outreach.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 3/20/2016 9:19 AM, nothermark wrote:
> >>> Watching him on Meet the Press. The one thing that is clear is that
> >>> he has an ego bigger than the country. ;-)
> >>>
> >> You mean much like the guy who is president now:)
> >
> > the mighty o is not even close to kasich
> >
> Matter of opinion. I am not a Kasich an, but I have never seen anyone
> more arrogant or egotistical than the one in office now.

The Donald.

Max

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Mar 24, 2016, 10:18:37 PM3/24/16
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On Monday, March 21, 2016 at 12:48:40 PM UTC-6, Owen McKenzie wrote:
> On 3/21/2016 9:26 AM, nothermark wrote:
> > On Sun, 20 Mar 2016 21:09:04 -0400, debbie <deb...@area51outreach.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 3/20/2016 9:04 PM, nothermark wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 20 Mar 2016 20:50:04 -0400, debbie <deb...@area51outreach.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 3/20/2016 8:09 PM, nothermark wrote:
> >>>>> On Sun, 20 Mar 2016 19:24:03 -0400, debbie <deb...@area51outreach.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 3/20/2016 9:19 AM, nothermark wrote:
> >>>>>>> Watching him on Meet the Press. The one thing that is clear is that
> >>>>>>> he has an ego bigger than the country. ;-)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> You mean much like the guy who is president now:)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> the mighty o is not even close to kasich
> >>>>>
> >>>> Matter of opinion. I am not a Kasich an, but I have never seen anyone
> >>>> more arrogant or egotistical than the one in office now.
> >>>
> >>> Start watching Kasich.
> >>>
> >> I have not watched him but I did hear him on the radio and he is as you
> >> say, but I still maintain the president we have now is worse. My opinion
> >> is my own and I know you will disagree.
> >
> > Your opinion is yours and you are welcome to it.
> >
> > That said I have never heard O as arrogant as K. Enough said.
> >
> http://www.nationalreview.com/article/432981/barack-obamas-foreign-policy-narcissistic
>
> --
>
> Owen McKenzie
>
> I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding
> because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have
> not a single political argument left.
> Margaret Thatcher

Where's the "like" button? ;-)

George Anthony

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Mar 24, 2016, 10:25:37 PM3/24/16
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I'll give you Sam Nunn but, by today's pants on fire liberal democrat party
standards, he would be as persona non grata as Ted Cruz. He is probably the
last of a dying breed of DINO, southern Blue Dog democrats.

George Anthony

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Mar 24, 2016, 10:25:37 PM3/24/16
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Nope. Obama wins hands down. What do you think that nose in the air pose he
always strikes is?

Vito

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On Thu, 24 Mar 2016 19:16:35 -0700 (PDT), Max <gmd...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Naw, asomebody else noted, he's just a typical New Yorker.

nothermark

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Mar 25, 2016, 7:44:01 AM3/25/16
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If they were then the Conservatives would win more often, ;-)

Dusty

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Mar 25, 2016, 10:06:53 AM3/25/16
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It's hard to "win" when the simple minded can be so easily convinced
that something promised to them is FREE, because it was fleeced from
some working stiff that they already know has too much. Too many of our
folks think that there really IS such a thing as a FREE LUNCH! As
always, this election, like all others, will inevitably come down to the
differences in the choices between the makers and the takers. Sadly, as
history continues to show us, it's always harder to get/make/create
makers, than it is to find willing takers.

Dusty
--
"Belief is the blissful twilight that those without the courage of true
convictions cling to in order to escape the sometimes harsh
understanding of reality that comes with truth." -- Dusty 2006

Unknown

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Mar 25, 2016, 10:38:08 AM3/25/16
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On Thu, 24 Mar 2016 17:24:37 -0700 (PDT), Major Oz <ozm...@gmail.com>
wrote:
OZ, Sam Nunn was as corrupt, if not more corrupt, than any Senator of
his time.

When they went about Closing bases during his reign they did not close
bases in Georgia instead they made them larger. Think Kings Bay!

Back in my working days I was eyeball deep in that stuff!

Lone Haranguer

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Mar 25, 2016, 10:53:10 AM3/25/16
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On 3/24/2016 5:16 PM, Hunter Hampton wrote:
> On 3/24/2016 5:46 PM, debbie wrote:
>> I am by no means defending any candidate. I do not like a single one
>> running. I am not a Republican, although in some ways I am a
>> conservative. That being said, I have voted for Democrats when I thought
>> they were not the worst choice.
>
>
> Good, we can count on your vote then.
>
> Hunter

Who should she choose for a Democrat nominee? The criminal or the
socialist?

LZ

Lone Haranguer

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Mar 25, 2016, 11:26:05 AM3/25/16
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Obama studied movies of other dictators. He didn't like Hitler's but
Mussolini's poses were just what he was looking for.

Obama is Il Duce the second.

LZ

George Anthony

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Mar 25, 2016, 12:14:30 PM3/25/16
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One and the same. Hillary steals and acts covertly and Bernie wants to
steal overtly. It all stealing. BUT... as long as they are democrats
(socialists, liberals, Marxists, etc) the obliviot entitled will vote for
them.

Hunter Hampton

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Mar 25, 2016, 1:39:41 PM3/25/16
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On 3/25/2016 10:06 AM, Dusty wrote:
> It's hard to "win" when the simple minded can be so easily convinced
> that something promised to them is FREE, because it was fleeced from
> some working stiff that they already know has too much. Too many of our
> folks think that there really IS such a thing as a FREE LUNCH! As
> always, this election, like all others, will inevitably come down to the
> differences in the choices between the makers and the takers. Sadly, as
> history continues to show us, it's always harder to get/make/create
> makers, than it is to find willing takers.
>
> Dusty


Yeah. I'm sure that's why Bill Gates is a liberal, and Warren
Buffet..... they are both hoping to get free stuff.....

Fact is liberals care about people, righties care about money, guns and
Jesus....

HUnter

Major Oz

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Mar 25, 2016, 1:50:13 PM3/25/16
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On Friday, March 25, 2016 at 12:39:41 PM UTC-5, Hunter Hampton wrote:
> On 3/25/2016 10:06 AM, Dusty wrote:
> > It's hard to "win" when the simple minded can be so easily convinced
> > that something promised to them is FREE, because it was fleeced from
> > some working stiff that they already know has too much. Too many of our
> > folks think that there really IS such a thing as a FREE LUNCH! As
> > always, this election, like all others, will inevitably come down to the
> > differences in the choices between the makers and the takers. Sadly, as
> > history continues to show us, it's always harder to get/make/create
> > makers, than it is to find willing takers.
> >
> > Dusty
>
>
> Yeah. I'm sure that's why Bill Gates is a liberal, and Warren
> Buffet..... they are both hoping to get free stuff.....
>
> Fact is liberals care about people, righties care about money, guns and
> Jesus....

...kinda like saying: birds have feet and fish have eyes.

There's more to each.

Lone Haranguer

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Mar 25, 2016, 3:30:45 PM3/25/16
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On 3/25/2016 10:39 AM, Hunter Hampton wrote:
> On 3/25/2016 10:06 AM, Dusty wrote:
>> It's hard to "win" when the simple minded can be so easily convinced
>> that something promised to them is FREE, because it was fleeced from
>> some working stiff that they already know has too much. Too many of our
>> folks think that there really IS such a thing as a FREE LUNCH! As
>> always, this election, like all others, will inevitably come down to the
>> differences in the choices between the makers and the takers. Sadly, as
>> history continues to show us, it's always harder to get/make/create
>> makers, than it is to find willing takers.
>>
>> Dusty
>
>
> Yeah. I'm sure that's why Bill Gates is a liberal, and Warren
> Buffet..... they are both hoping to get free stuff.....
>
> Fact is liberals care about people, righties care about money, guns and
> Jesus....
>
> HUnter

Liberals are Communists in sheep's clothing. Once they gain power they
all emulate Josef Stalin...who created a paradise for his true believers.

"Dyadkin estimated that the USSR suffered 56 to 62 million "unnatural
deaths" during that period, with 34 to 49 million directly linked to
Stalin. In “Europe A History,” British historian Norman Davies counted
50 million killed between 1924-53, excluding wartime casualties.Mar 5, 2013"
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=how+many+deaths+are+attributed+to+joseph+stalin%3F
*******************************
Liberals care about people alright...Old Josef loved his people to death.

LZ
>

bill horne

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Mar 25, 2016, 4:36:02 PM3/25/16
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Lone Haranguer wrote:
> On 3/25/2016 10:39 AM, Hunter Hampton wrote:
>> On 3/25/2016 10:06 AM, Dusty wrote:
>>> It's hard to "win" when the simple minded can be so easily convinced
>>> that something promised to them is FREE, because it was fleeced from
>>> some working stiff that they already know has too much. Too many
>>> of our
>>> folks think that there really IS such a thing as a FREE LUNCH! As
>>> always, this election, like all others, will inevitably come down
>>> to the
>>> differences in the choices between the makers and the takers.
>>> Sadly, as
>>> history continues to show us, it's always harder to get/make/create
>>> makers, than it is to find willing takers.
>>>
>>> Dusty
>>
>>
>> Yeah. I'm sure that's why Bill Gates is a liberal, and Warren
>> Buffet..... they are both hoping to get free stuff.....
>>
>> Fact is liberals care about people, righties care about money, guns and
>> Jesus....
>>
>> HUnter
>
> Liberals are Communists in sheep's clothing. Once they gain power
> they all emulate Josef Stalin...who created a paradise for his true
> believers.

Yep.
-------------------------------------------------------------
After someone wrote “Trump 2016” in colored chalk around campus,
several dozen student demonstrators objected that the banal campaign
message scared, upset, or offended them, and administrators responded
by going Orwellian.

The Emory Wheel reports that Wagner will review footage from campus
security cameras to uncover who made the chalkings. “He added that if
they’re students, they will go through the conduct violation process,”
the newspaper stated, “while if they are from outside of the
University, trespassing charges will be pressed.” Ponder the
precedent. An academic authority figure will use surveillance to track
down and punish someone for urging support for a political candidate.
If possible, he will marshal criminal law to do so.
----------------------------------------------------------
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/03/a-letter-to-emory-please-stop-fueling-trumpism/475356/

> "Dyadkin estimated that the USSR suffered 56 to 62 million "unnatural
> deaths" during that period, with 34 to 49 million directly linked to
> Stalin. In “Europe A History,” British historian Norman Davies counted
> 50 million killed between 1924-53, excluding wartime casualties.Mar 5,
> 2013"
> https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=how+many+deaths+are+attributed+to+joseph+stalin%3F
>
> *******************************
> Liberals care about people alright...Old Josef loved his people to death.
>
> LZ
>>
>


--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

Dusty

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Mar 25, 2016, 5:05:23 PM3/25/16
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On 25-Mar-16 10:39, Hunter Hampton wrote:
> On 3/25/2016 10:06 AM, Dusty wrote:
>> It's hard to "win" when the simple minded can be so easily convinced
>> that something promised to them is FREE, because it was fleeced from
>> some working stiff that they already know has too much. Too many of our
>> folks think that there really IS such a thing as a FREE LUNCH! As
>> always, this election, like all others, will inevitably come down to the
>> differences in the choices between the makers and the takers. Sadly, as
>> history continues to show us, it's always harder to get/make/create
>> makers, than it is to find willing takers.
>>
>> Dusty
>
>
> Yeah. I'm sure that's why Bill Gates is a liberal, and Warren
> Buffet..... they are both hoping to get free stuff.....
>
> Fact is liberals care about people, righties care about money, guns and
> Jesus....
>
> HUnter
To be sure Gates and Buffet are certainly on the "takers" side...which
is probably how they managed to get to where they are today. Sadly, I
don't recollect saying that there's a hard and fast line between those
that make and those that take. As with most things...that distinction
seems to be both soft and flexible. I was speaking about the
majorities, not every darn one of 'em. Then again, I'm sure that for
them it would seem to be good marketing PR to be ready and willing to
stand with their most ardent customers.

Liberals care about people? I can kind of agree with that. They seem
to think that if they'll just say and show that they care, it's the same
thing as actually doing something noteworthy or worthwhile for them.
Could you possibly help me out, my lady? Please point out any liberal
policy success stories? I've looked both high and low...and seem to
have missed 'em. So your help would be MOST appreciated.

Take care and be well all,

Dusty

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Mar 25, 2016, 5:06:17 PM3/25/16
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Yep! Exactly! Well put, Oz.

George Anthony

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Mar 25, 2016, 7:05:23 PM3/25/16
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You have to excuse the twins. They are operating without a functioning
brain.

Owen McKenzie

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Mar 26, 2016, 3:10:16 PM3/26/16
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On 3/25/2016 1:39 PM, Hunter Hampton wrote:
>
> Fact is liberals care about people,
>
> HUnter
>
> ---
> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
>
Liberals care about people, using other peoples money.

kmiller

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Mar 26, 2016, 4:13:55 PM3/26/16
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On 3/26/2016 12:10 PM, Owen McKenzie wrote:
> On 3/25/2016 1:39 PM, Hunter Hampton wrote:
>>
>> Fact is liberals care about people,
>>
>> HUnter
>>
>> ---
>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
>>
> Liberals care about people, using other peoples money.
>

Churches care about people, using other people's money...

Businesses care about people, until they've taken all the people's money...

Conservatives care about people, unless they have no money...

Owen McKenzie

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Mar 26, 2016, 4:50:15 PM3/26/16
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On 3/26/2016 4:13 PM, kmiller wrote:
> On 3/26/2016 12:10 PM, Owen McKenzie wrote:
>> On 3/25/2016 1:39 PM, Hunter Hampton wrote:
>>>
>>> Fact is liberals care about people,
>>>
>>> HUnter
>>>
>>> ---
>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
>>>
>> Liberals care about people, using other peoples money.
>>
>
> Churches care about people, using other people's money...
Voluntary contributions...
>
> Businesses care about people, until they've taken all the people's money...
>
> Conservatives care about people, unless they have no money...


Hunter Hampton

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Mar 26, 2016, 5:44:06 PM3/26/16
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On 3/26/2016 3:10 PM, Owen McKenzie wrote:
>>
> Liberals care about people, using other peoples money.


What percentage of your money actually goes to helping people?

What percentage actually goes to hurting people?

What percentage of the military, both active and veterans are getting
snap benefits?

You can no issue with huge corporations getting billions in tax breaks,
many making billions and paying no taxes...... and churches who pay no
taxes.....

"A married person with one child who makes $50,000 a year will pay
$36.82 in taxes to ensure the food stamp program is fully funded. But
wait, there is more. That $36.82 is not only for food stamps. Indeed,
that money is allocated to two other programs that include the school
lunch program, and the special supplemental food program for women,
infants and children. Keep in mind, this comprises the totality of the
costs associated with the program including administrative."

Poor you, having to give someone a hand up.

Hunter

kmiller

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Mar 26, 2016, 6:29:22 PM3/26/16
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On 3/26/2016 1:50 PM, Owen McKenzie wrote:
> On 3/26/2016 4:13 PM, kmiller wrote:
>> On 3/26/2016 12:10 PM, Owen McKenzie wrote:
>>> On 3/25/2016 1:39 PM, Hunter Hampton wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Fact is liberals care about people,
>>>>
>>>> HUnter
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
>>>>
>>> Liberals care about people, using other peoples money.
>>>
>>
>> Churches care about people, using other people's money...
> Voluntary contributions...

if tithing is a part of what you believe and if you also believe that, if you don't believe, you are damned to hell forever and ever and ever with no
chance of parole then it's not voluntary. Or, perhaps it's voluntary in the same way that you pay your taxes voluntarily...

nothermark

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Mar 26, 2016, 6:30:57 PM3/26/16
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On Sat, 26 Mar 2016 15:10:15 -0400, Owen McKenzie
<owenwmc...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 3/25/2016 1:39 PM, Hunter Hampton wrote:
>>
>> Fact is liberals care about people,
>>
>> HUnter
>>
>> ---
>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
>>
>Liberals care about people, using other peoples money.

That's the best kind. ;-)

Major Oz

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Mar 26, 2016, 6:42:15 PM3/26/16
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On Saturday, March 26, 2016 at 4:44:06 PM UTC-5, Hunter Hampton wrote:
> On 3/26/2016 3:10 PM, Owen McKenzie wrote:
> >>
> > Liberals care about people, using other peoples money.
>
>
> What percentage of your money actually goes to helping people?
>
> What percentage actually goes to hurting people?
>
> What percentage of the military, both active and veterans are getting
> snap benefits?
>
> You can no issue with huge corporations getting billions in tax breaks,
> many making billions and paying no taxes...... and churches who pay no
> taxes.....
>
> "A married person with one child who makes $50,000 a year will pay
> $36.82 in taxes to ensure the food stamp program is fully funded. But
> wait, there is more. That $36.82 is not only for food stamps. Indeed,
> that money is allocated to two other programs that include the school
> lunch program, and the special supplemental food program for women,
> infants and children. Keep in mind, this comprises the totality of the
> costs associated with the program including administrative."
>
> Poor you, having to give someone a hand up.

You seem to have something to say..........but you never said it.

None of the points have meaning without details.

Owen McKenzie

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Mar 26, 2016, 7:12:58 PM3/26/16
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I'm sure your definitions of helping and hurting would differ
significantly, so my answers would not make sense to you.

Suffice it to say that I contribute more weekly to things I feel are
helpful to the community, including food banks, than your married person
pays in taxes for in a year.

You have no idea how many people I've given a hand up. Not a hand out.
And I do it voluntarily, with my own money, not someone elses.

Owen McKenzie

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Mar 26, 2016, 7:16:19 PM3/26/16
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On 3/26/2016 6:29 PM, kmiller wrote:
> On 3/26/2016 1:50 PM, Owen McKenzie wrote:
>> On 3/26/2016 4:13 PM, kmiller wrote:
>>> On 3/26/2016 12:10 PM, Owen McKenzie wrote:
>>>> On 3/25/2016 1:39 PM, Hunter Hampton wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Fact is liberals care about people,
>>>>>
>>>>> HUnter
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
>>>>>
>>>> Liberals care about people, using other peoples money.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Churches care about people, using other people's money...
>> Voluntary contributions...
>
> if tithing is a part of what you believe and if you also believe that,
> if you don't believe, you are damned to hell forever and ever and ever
> with no chance of parole then it's not voluntary. Or, perhaps it's
> voluntary in the same way that you pay your taxes voluntarily...
>
I'm sorry Kevin, but your comment has no basis in truth. For a Christian
ALL giving is voluntary, and has nothing to do with your salvation.

>>>
>>> Businesses care about people, until they've taken all the people's
>>> money...
>>>
>>> Conservatives care about people, unless they have no money...
>>
>>
>


Bruce

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Mar 26, 2016, 8:20:59 PM3/26/16
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On 3/26/2016 12:10 PM, Owen McKenzie wrote:
> On 3/25/2016 1:39 PM, Hunter Hampton wrote:
>>
>> Fact is liberals care about people,
>>
>> HUnter
>>
>> ---
>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
>>
> Liberals care about people, using other peoples money.

If liberals cared about people, they'd be capitalists.

--
Bruce

"It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from it's
government." -- Thomas Paine

nothermark

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Mar 26, 2016, 8:46:22 PM3/26/16
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On Sat, 26 Mar 2016 17:21:01 -0700, Bruce <bruce...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On 3/26/2016 12:10 PM, Owen McKenzie wrote:
>> On 3/25/2016 1:39 PM, Hunter Hampton wrote:
>>>
>>> Fact is liberals care about people,
>>>
>>> HUnter
>>>
>>> ---
>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
>>>
>> Liberals care about people, using other peoples money.
>
>If liberals cared about people, they'd be capitalists.

Many are. Probably about as many as Conservatives. ;-)

Frank Howell

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Mar 26, 2016, 8:52:17 PM3/26/16
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Tsk tsk, shame on you using your own money and time instead of joining
groups that attempt to make everyone else without their consent, give
their money and time to your cause.

--
Frank Howell

Max

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Mar 26, 2016, 9:51:49 PM3/26/16
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On Thursday, March 24, 2016 at 8:25:37 PM UTC-6, George Anthony wrote:
> Max <gmd...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Sunday, March 20, 2016 at 6:50:04 PM UTC-6, debbie wrote:
> >> On 3/20/2016 8:09 PM, nothermark wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 20 Mar 2016 19:24:03 -0400, debbie <deb...@area51outreach.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 3/20/2016 9:19 AM, nothermark wrote:
> >>>>> Watching him on Meet the Press. The one thing that is clear is that
> >>>>> he has an ego bigger than the country. ;-)
> >>>>>
> >>>> You mean much like the guy who is president now:)
> >>>
> >>> the mighty o is not even close to kasich
> >>>
> >> Matter of opinion. I am not a Kasich an, but I have never seen anyone
> >> more arrogant or egotistical than the one in office now.
> >
> > The Donald.
> >
>
> Nope. Obama wins hands down. What do you think that nose in the air pose he
> always strikes is?

Your perception.

Max

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Mar 26, 2016, 9:58:31 PM3/26/16
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On Saturday, March 26, 2016 at 2:50:15 PM UTC-6, Owen McKenzie wrote:
> On 3/26/2016 4:13 PM, kmiller wrote:
> > On 3/26/2016 12:10 PM, Owen McKenzie wrote:
> >> On 3/25/2016 1:39 PM, Hunter Hampton wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Fact is liberals care about people,
> >>>
> >>> HUnter
> >>>
> >>> ---
> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> >>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
> >>>
> >> Liberals care about people, using other peoples money.
> >>
> >
> > Churches care about people, using other people's money...


> Voluntary contributions...

Coercion wears many costumes.




>
> Owen McKenzie
>

George Anthony

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Mar 26, 2016, 10:12:29 PM3/26/16
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Yep. My perception that he is a pompous ass, self-centered egoist just
happens to be correct.

Dusty

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Mar 26, 2016, 11:29:42 PM3/26/16
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Dittos that, Owen. Well done! It's what we do here too. Sadly, there
are so few others.
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