Ricky Nelson: Rock-A-Billy???
Cathy D888
Nelson. During the program they referred to Ricky several times as a
Rock-A-Billy artist. Any comments, opinions on this? Was Rick at any point in
his career a Rock-A-Billy artist? I, for one, have never thought of him as
such. Even his first few records don't sound like RAB to me.
Cathy :)
Roger Ford
In short...............no!
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P. M. Eaton
4500I was watching VH1's "Behind the Music" this evening. They were featuring
4500 Ricky
4500Nelson. During the program they referred to Ricky several times as a
4500Rock-A-Billy artist. Any comments, opinions on this? Was Rick at any point
4500 in
4500his career a Rock-A-Billy artist? I, for one, have never thought of him as
4500such. Even his first few records don't sound like RAB to me.
4500
4500Cathy :)
Hi Cathy:
Everyone defines all these R&R--R&Billy--R&B names to what , sometines is
subjective, to say the least. Yes, I would say that IMO with James Burton in
the very beginning of Nelson's career a few would be classified as
Rock-A-Billy. Sorry about that Rog. But as always, my word isn't gospel, nor
is yours. Hope you enjoyed your vacation. Oh by the by, (e.g. "Be-Bop Baby"
could start the discussion.) If I had all the data bases I could probably look
up some more. I'll leave that to you posting all 100 or so! >:)
PME
P. M. Eaton
4500 Ricky
4500Nelson. During the program they referred to Ricky several times as a
4500Rock-A-Billy artist. Any comments, opinions on this? Was Rick at any point
4500 in
4500his career a Rock-A-Billy artist? I, for one, have never thought of him as
4500such. Even his first few records don't sound like RAB to me.
4500
4500Cathy :)
Sorry Cathy:
A question, if I may. What do you feel are some RAB songs by anyone? I know it
has been defined on this newsgroup over and over, and I use to sing these
songs on stage, and I'm still confused with the RAB wording and who makes the
decision of what is and what isn't. Besides our english friend, Rog. :>) I
know your still somehat new on here Cat, and I'm not trying to put you on the
spot, but I would be pleased and appreciate your input on this. You did make
the post first about Ricky Nelson.
Keep that smile behind your name. >:)
PME
Jim Colegrove
How do you take a rockabilly band and make it a rock-n-roll band?
The answer appears to be simply change the lead singer. Change Bob
Luman and substitute Ricky Nelson.
In my opinion many of the early Nelson tracks with this band are RAB.
Jim Colegrove
co...@thecoolgroove.com
P. M. Eaton
4500On 10 Aug 2001 04:46:49 GMT, cath...@aol.com (Cathy D888) wrote:
4500
4500>I was watching VH1's "Behind the Music" this evening. They were featuring
4500 Ricky
4500>Nelson. During the program they referred to Ricky several times as a
4500>Rock-A-Billy artist. Any comments, opinions on this? Was Rick at any point
4500 in
4500>his career a Rock-A-Billy artist? I, for one, have never thought of him as
4500>such. Even his first few records don't sound like RAB to me.
4500>
4500>Cathy :)
4500
4500How do you take a rockabilly band and make it a rock-n-roll band?
4500
4500The answer appears to be simply change the lead singer. Change Bob
4500Luman and substitute Ricky Nelson.
I agree with your thoughts also Jim. But may I ask your opinion on which ones
you might feel are RAB from all those earlier sessions with Burton, Osborne,
Johnson & one pretty good drummer, Richie Frost?
Regards
PME
4500In my opinion many of the early Nelson tracks with this band are RAB.
4500Jim Colegrove
4500...@thecoolgroove.com
Jim Colegrove
wrote:
>In article <v5m7ntkuue17a24ge...@4ax.com>, Jim Colegrove <co...@thecoolgroove.com> wrote:
>4500On 10 Aug 2001 04:46:49 GMT, cath...@aol.com (Cathy D888) wrote:
>4500
>4500>I was watching VH1's "Behind the Music" this evening. They were featuring
>4500 Ricky
>4500>Nelson. During the program they referred to Ricky several times as a
>4500>Rock-A-Billy artist. Any comments, opinions on this? Was Rick at any point
>4500 in
>4500>his career a Rock-A-Billy artist? I, for one, have never thought of him as
>4500>such. Even his first few records don't sound like RAB to me.
>4500>
>4500>Cathy :)
>4500
>4500How do you take a rockabilly band and make it a rock-n-roll band?
>4500
>4500The answer appears to be simply change the lead singer. Change Bob
>4500Luman and substitute Ricky Nelson.
>
>
>I agree with your thoughts also Jim. But may I ask your opinion on which ones
>you might feel are RAB from all those earlier sessions with Burton, Osborne,
>Johnson & one pretty good drummer, Richie Frost?
>
"Boppin' The Blues," "Your True Love," "Shirley Lee," "Good Rockin'
Tonight" to name a few. As far as I know, the band that came from
Luman aka "The Shadows," was Burton and James Kirkland on slap bass.
Ricky wanted him to paint his bass pink and black. Butch White played
drums but was replaced by Richie Frost with Gene Garr (or Garf) on
piano. Joe Osborne replaced James Kirkland later. Of course, Earl
Palmer was also listed as a drummer on those sessions.
I don't know who Johnson is.
Anyway, that band backs Luman in the Roger Corman film "Carnival
Rock."
Jim Colegrove
co...@thecoolgroove.com
EVIL REV
to argue ???
"Shirley Lee", IMHO, beats a LOT of what is thrown on rockabilly
compilations
P. M. Eaton
4500On Fri, 10 Aug 2001 17:57:36 GMT, pm...@charter.net (P. M. Eaton)
4500>In article <v5m7ntkuue17a24ge...@4ax.com>, Jim Colegrove
4500 <co...@thecoolgroove.com> wrote:
4500>4500On 10 Aug 2001 04:46:49 GMT, cath...@aol.com (Cathy D888) wrote:
4500>4500
4500>4500>I was watching VH1's "Behind the Music" this evening. They were
4500 featuring
4500>4500 Ricky
4500>4500>Nelson. During the program they referred to Ricky several times as a
4500>4500>Rock-A-Billy artist. Any comments, opinions on this? Was Rick at any
4500 point
4500>4500 in
4500>4500>his career a Rock-A-Billy artist? I, for one, have never thought of
4500 him as
4500>4500>such. Even his first few records don't sound like RAB to me.
4500>4500>
4500>4500>Cathy :)
4500>4500
4500>4500How do you take a rockabilly band and make it a rock-n-roll band?
4500>4500
4500>4500The answer appears to be simply change the lead singer. Change Bob
4500>4500Luman and substitute Ricky Nelson.
4500>I agree with your thoughts also Jim. But may I ask your opinion on which
4500 ones
4500>you might feel are RAB from all those earlier sessions with Burton,
4500 Osborne,
4500>Johnson & one pretty good drummer, Richie Frost?
4500"Boppin' The Blues," "Your True Love," "Shirley Lee," "Good Rockin'
4500Tonight" to name a few. As far as I know, the band that came from
4500Luman aka "The Shadows," was Burton and James Kirkland on slap bass.
4500Ricky wanted him to paint his bass pink and black. Butch White played
4500drums but was replaced by Richie Frost with Gene Garr (or Garf) on
4500piano. Joe Osborne replaced James Kirkland later. Of course, Earl
4500Palmer was also listed as a drummer on those sessions.
4500I don't know who Johnson is.
4500
4500Anyway, that band backs Luman in the Roger Corman film "Carnival
4500Rock."
4500Jim Colegrove
4500...@thecoolgroove.com
Yep, jim that is what I had wondered. Did someone else remember these songs. I
also agree if I have to use the RAB theme that Nelson was and did many in his
beginning. Thanks for the info on the other band artists. Anyone know why I'm
getting all these "4500"s in my replies. Quite irritating.
Thank again for the info & input
Pat
PhillyGuy
depth-wise, or more, no); but forming my image from his hit records,
I'm more comfortable automatically thinking of him as early
country-rock, like the Everly Brothers. That is, using the term
country-rock, as opposed to term sort of like a synonym for
rockabilly: country-boy rock and roll. That certain down-home rebel
edge or raw or rough-around-the-edges quality even in persona
(personal style), things I associate with rockabilly artists, didn't
seem to be there for me when I would think of him. He came from
sophisticates after all; his parents were accomplished musicians,
Ozzie led one of the more significant big bands in the 30's and 40's
("Says My Heart", etc.); Harriet being the "girl singer" in the band.
Despite, or perhaps helped by that, he developed good r&r credentials
to have unquestioned cachet with teenagers when we were young. It
speaks well of his r&r credentials that he had the services and
friendship of a skillful James Burton, one with r&r feeling, and he
worked hard to put his art over and grow it in many other respects. I
take nothing away from him as a musician, not averring for his RAB
credentials, even if he had some good ones from the early days I don't
know about; I have enormous respect for him in that regard, especially
that he kept working on his craft and his growth as a musician
throughout his tragically shortened life which was also ended in the
cruel month of December, like many others in his business.
- Tom
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Bill Bugge
"PhillyGuy" <tomfro...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Not being deeply familiar with his catalogue (a la boxed-set
> depth-wise, or more, no); but forming my image from his hit records,
> I'm more comfortable automatically thinking of him as early
> country-rock, like the Everly Brothers. That is, using the term
> country-rock, as opposed to term sort of like a synonym for
> rockabilly: country-boy rock and roll. That certain down-home rebel
> edge or raw or rough-around-the-edges quality even in persona
> (personal style), things I associate with rockabilly artists, didn't
> seem to be there for me when I would think of him.
As much as it pains me, one who is inclusive rather than exclusive when it
comes to categories, I must agree with this assessment 100%.
--
Bill Bugge
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Roger Ford
<Tired...@SorryFolks.com> wrote:
>"Roger Ford" <mari...@bblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:3b736d4...@news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>> On 10 Aug 2001 04:46:49 GMT, cath...@aol.com (Cathy D888) wrote:
>>
>> >....Was Rick at any point in
>> >his career a Rock-A-Billy artist? I, for one, have never thought of him
>as
>> >such. Even his first few records don't sound like RAB to me.
>> >
>
>> In short...............no!
>>
>
>----------
>Not even "Shirley Lee?"
>--
Not even "Shirley Lee".
If I can find it over the weekend I'll post the Bobby Lee Trammell
original for you to compare.
Cathy D888
To me RAB is a little more raw sounding the R&R. "Be-Bop Baby" may have an RAB
"feel" to it, but Ricky just sounds too innocent when singing for it to seem
like RAB to me. He also does't have the "look" of a RAB artist. He has a clean
cut, neighbor-next-door image. The type of boy your parents would approve of,
whereas as RAB artists come across with an "edge" to them-- your parents
definitely wouldn't approve of you bringing them home!!! The lyrics also make a
difference to me. Ricky is singing about a girl who is "as sweet as she can
be," and that his love for her is "tender and sweet." Perhaps the problem is
that I have trouble thinking of Ricky as anything other than a "teen idol." :)
I also don't think of Gene Vincent or Eddie Cochran as RAB although I know a
lot of people do consider them RAB. I can understand why people would consider
them RAB, and, to me, they both come much closer to what I think of as RAB (in
both singing style and image) then Ricky does.
>Keep that smile behind your name. >:)
I will! :)
Cathy :)
Jim Colegrove
wrote:
>Not being deeply familiar with his catalogue (a la boxed-set
>depth-wise, or more, no); but forming my image from his hit records,
>I'm more comfortable automatically thinking of him as early
>country-rock, like the Everly Brothers. That is, using the term
>country-rock, as opposed to term sort of like a synonym for
>rockabilly: country-boy rock and roll.
Thinking of Ricky's style that developed in the 1950s as early
country-rock is on target since his later Stone Canyon Band was
exactly that! However, the style that was to be termed "country-rock"
did not come into its own until the late sixties and early 1970s.
Jim Colegrove
co...@thecoolgroove.com
Bill Bugge
"Norm Katuna" <no...@operamail.com> wrote in message
news:2uubntsprudp568o3...@4ax.com...
> I always thought "Shirley Lee" was really close, and I just listened to a
couple
> of cuts from his first EPs which came from his first album called "Ricky"
and
> two of the cuts are really close also, in fact I'm going to say that his
version
> of "Boppin' The Blues" is RAB, and "If You Can't Rock Me" is also, and
does have
> a nice RAB style guitar break.
>
> Those songs are more RAB than anything Johnny Cash ever did, sans "Get
Rhythm".
>
Yeah, but Johnny Cash had the bad boy personna required by many of us to be
considered Rockabilly, while Ricky had the squeaky clean image of a Teen
Idol.
Bill Bugge
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> "Bill Bugge" <bug...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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> >
> >
> >
> > Yeah, but Johnny Cash had the bad boy personna required by many of us to
> be
> > considered Rockabilly, while Ricky had the squeaky clean image of a Teen
> > Idol.
> ---------------
> Aw, come on. Isn't the sound more important than the image?
Of course, but image can be the determining factor in my opinion.
Do you really
> know what kind of an image some of these more obscure guys had? Billy
> Wallace? Junior Thompson? Art Adams?
No, and I don't care. I haven't classified anything by them as anything.
If you found out Junior Thompson was
> a Sunday-school teacher, would that make "Raw Deal" any the less
rockabilly?
Who? Might depend on his stage personna. The whole point I'm making and
others have made is Rockabilly has a rawness which you don't find in Ricky
Nelson or the Everly Brothers.
Rockabi101
know what kind of an image some of these more obscure guys had? Billy Wallace?
Sunday-school teacher, would that make "Raw Deal" any the less rockabilly?
>DianeE
>
>
And, many of them did. Billy Adams (Rock Pretty Mama; Gotta Have a Ducktail),
Jimmie Rodgers Snow (It Won't Do No Good), and Deacon of Deacon & the Rock &
Rollers (Rockin' On the Moon) come immediately to mind. However, I know there
were quite a few others (heck, Jerry Lee went to Southwestern Bible Institute.)
There wasn't such a distance between rockabilly and the church.
Cathy D888
>On 10 Aug 2001 04:46:49 GMT, in rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1950s,
cath...@aol.com
>(Cathy D888), wrote:
>
>>I was watching VH1's "Behind the Music" this evening. They were featuring
>Ricky
>>Nelson. During the program they referred to Ricky several times as a
>>Rock-A-Billy artist. Any comments, opinions on this? Was Rick at any point
>in
>>his career a Rock-A-Billy artist? I, for one, have never thought of him
>as
>>such. Even his first few records don't sound like RAB to me.
>>
>>Cathy :)
>
>I always thought "Shirley Lee" was really close, and I just listened to a
couple
>of cuts from his first EPs which came from his first album called "Ricky"
>and two of the cuts are really close also, in fact I'm going to say that his
>version of "Boppin' The Blues" is RAB, and "If You Can't Rock Me" is also, and
does
>have a nice RAB style guitar break.
I don't believe I've ever heard the songs you mentioned (could you e-mail me an
mp3 of the best one of the three?), but regardless of how they sound I still
have a hard time thinking of Ricky as RAB because of his image-- he's just too
clean-cut to be a Rock-A-Billy artist!
Cathy :)
Cathy D888
>"Bill Bugge" <bug...@optonline.net> wrote in message
>news:N7vd7.22448$vp.35...@news02.optonline.net...
>>
>>
>> "Norm Katuna" <no...@operamail.com> wrote in message
>> news:2uubntsprudp568o3...@4ax.com...
>> > I always thought "Shirley Lee" was really close, and I just listened
>to
>a
>> couple
>> > of cuts from his first EPs which came from his first album called
>"Ricky"
>> and
>> > two of the cuts are really close also, in fact I'm going to say that
>his
>> version
>> > of "Boppin' The Blues" is RAB, and "If You Can't Rock Me" is also, and
>> does have
>> > a nice RAB style guitar break.
>> >
>> > Those songs are more RAB than anything Johnny Cash ever did, sans "Get
>> Rhythm".
>> >
>>
>>
>> Yeah, but Johnny Cash had the bad boy personna required by many of us to be
>> considered Rockabilly, while Ricky had the squeaky clean image of a Teen
>> Idol.
>---------------
>Aw, come on. Isn't the sound more important than the image? Do you really
>know what kind of an image some of these more obscure guys had? Billy
>Wallace? Junior Thompson? Art Adams? If you found out Junior Thompson
>was a Sunday-school teacher, would that make "Raw Deal" any the less
rockabilly?
I think image has to *lot* to do with music styles such as Rock And Roll and
R0ck-A-Billy. Even with artists you've never seen you tend to picture them as
having a certain "image." And it's not just the artists image the lyrics have
an effect in determing which genre an artist belongs in. Now, I'm sure I
haven't heard as many RAB songs as most RAB fans on this newsgroup, but the
songs I am familiar with the lyrics tend to be about fast cars, fast women and
the like. :)
Cathy :)
Spade
"Cathy D888" <cath...@aol.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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posting three Versions of If Your Can't Rock Me
The Strikes (Imperial 5433) RAB ?
The Strikes (Lin 5003) RAB ?
Ricky Nelson (?) RAB ?
what now "RAB" is
Spade
--
So keep on rockin' and stay crazy--Spade
"Spade" sp...@t-online.de
Steve C.
>From: tomfro...@yahoo.com (PhillyGuy)
>Date: 8/10/01 10:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <9aedb077.01081...@posting.google.com>
>
>Not being deeply familiar with his catalogue (a la boxed-set
>depth-wise, or more, no); but forming my image from his hit records,
>I'm more comfortable automatically thinking of him as early
>country-rock, like the Everly Brothers. That is, using the term
>country-rock, as opposed to term sort of like a synonym for
>rockabilly: country-boy rock and roll. That certain down-home rebel
>edge or raw or rough-around-the-edges quality even in persona
>(personal style), things I associate with rockabilly artists, didn't
>seem to be there for me when I would think of him. He came from
>sophisticates after all; his parents were accomplished musicians,
>Ozzie led one of the more significant big bands in the 30's and 40's
>("Says My Heart", etc.); Harriet being the "girl singer" in the band.
>Despite, or perhaps helped by that, he developed good r&r credentials
>to have unquestioned cachet with teenagers when we were young. It
>speaks well of his r&r credentials that he had the services and
>friendship of a skillful James Burton, one with r&r feeling, and he
>worked hard to put his art over and grow it in many other respects. I
>take nothing away from him as a musician, not averring for his RAB
>credentials, even if he had some good ones from the early days I don't
>know about; I have enormous respect for him in that regard, especially
>that he kept working on his craft and his growth as a musician
>throughout his tragically shortened life which was also ended in the
>cruel month of December, like many others in his business.
>
>- Tom
Tom, I have to say a few things here. Having found this on Google search, I
must say regarding Ricky being from sophisticates. Don't let Benny Goodman (in
the big bandroom in sky) or Stan Kenton (in the progressive celestial fields)
catch you calling Ricky a sophisticate..or his family, otuside the college
graduate context regarding Ozzie. By the time Ricky appeared he would be
regarded a cornball or a square (objective observation..).
That said, I agree with your response.
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>> If you found out Junior Thompson was a
>>Sunday-school teacher, would that make "Raw Deal" any the less rockabilly?
>>
>And, many of them did.
>(heck, Jerry Lee went to Southwestern Bible Institute.)
> There wasn't such a distance between rockabilly and the church.
And he left convinced he was going to hell...
Bob Roman
