Writing for Presley movies

[xpen...@gmail.com]

It was demoralizing. They'd show us these scripts that were just
godawful and they got worse by the time they got to the screen
.......Mike Stoller

[Michael Pendragon]

Mike Stoller wrote some great r'n'r songs ... and some not-so-great r'n'r songs.

AFAIK he never wrote, produced, or directed a motion picture.

[xpen...@gmail.com]

You have any quotes by anyone that says they were good movies, Mooch?

[Michael Pendragon]

They tend to average 3 out of 5 stars on IMDB.

[xpen...@gmail.com]

On Tue, 14 Jun 2016 06:00:31 -0700 (PDT), Michael Pendragon

<michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 8:08:42 AM UTC-4, xpen...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 08:04:17 -0700 (PDT), Michael Pendragon
>> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 10:55:47 AM UTC-4, xpen...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> It was demoralizing. They'd show us these scripts that were just
>> >> godawful and they got worse by the time they got to the screen
>> >> .......Mike Stoller
>> >
>> >Mike Stoller wrote some great r'n'r songs ... and some not-so-great r'n'r songs.
>> >
>> >AFAIK he never wrote, produced, or directed a motion picture.
>>
>> You have any quotes by anyone that says they were good movies, Mooch?
>
>They tend to average 3 out of 5 stars on IMDB.

Who did the reviews, Mooch?

L&S could have made plenty of money had written for them because there
were/are Presleyholics would buy anything. However they didn't want to
be associated with them.

[Michael Pendragon]

On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 3:46:54 PM UTC-4, xpen...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Jun 2016 06:00:31 -0700 (PDT), Michael Pendragon
> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 8:08:42 AM UTC-4, xpen...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 08:04:17 -0700 (PDT), Michael Pendragon
> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 10:55:47 AM UTC-4, xpen...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >> It was demoralizing. They'd show us these scripts that were just
> >> >> godawful and they got worse by the time they got to the screen
> >> >> .......Mike Stoller
> >> >
> >> >Mike Stoller wrote some great r'n'r songs ... and some not-so-great r'n'r songs.
> >> >
> >> >AFAIK he never wrote, produced, or directed a motion picture.
> >>
> >> You have any quotes by anyone that says they were good movies, Mooch?
> >
> >They tend to average 3 out of 5 stars on IMDB.
>
> Who did the reviews, Mooch?

People who enjoyed the movies, Dud.

> L&S could have made plenty of money had written for them because there
> were/are Presleyholics would buy anything. However they didn't want to
> be associated with them.

That's nice. What kind of films does Mike Stoller watch?

Last night I watched "The Patsy," 1928, dir. King Vidor, starring Marion Davies & Marie Dressler.

The night before I watched "The Red Mill," 1927, dir. William Goodrich (Fatty Arbuckle), also starring Davies.

Sunday I watched "Clash by Night," 1952, dir. Fritz Lang, starring Barbara Stanwyck, Robert Ryan, Paul Douglas & Marilyn Monroe.

[Jim Colegrove]

On Tue, 14 Jun 2016 13:03:40 -0700 (PDT), Michael Pendragon

"Clash by Night" -- Fritz Lang, on my list of faves. Don't have a
copy. Thanks for reminding me.




Jim Colegrove
http://www.thecoolgroove.com/menofextinction.html
https://www.facebook.com/menofextinction

[Michael Pendragon]

Mine too. That was the third time I've seen it.

[xpen...@gmail.com]

On Tue, 14 Jun 2016 13:03:40 -0700 (PDT), Michael Pendragon

<michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 3:46:54 PM UTC-4, xpen...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Tue, 14 Jun 2016 06:00:31 -0700 (PDT), Michael Pendragon
>> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 8:08:42 AM UTC-4, xpen...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 08:04:17 -0700 (PDT), Michael Pendragon
>> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 10:55:47 AM UTC-4, xpen...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> >> It was demoralizing. They'd show us these scripts that were just
>> >> >> godawful and they got worse by the time they got to the screen
>> >> >> .......Mike Stoller
>> >> >
>> >> >Mike Stoller wrote some great r'n'r songs ... and some not-so-great r'n'r songs.
>> >> >
>> >> >AFAIK he never wrote, produced, or directed a motion picture.
>> >>
>> >> You have any quotes by anyone that says they were good movies, Mooch?
>> >
>> >They tend to average 3 out of 5 stars on IMDB.
>>
>> Who did the reviews, Mooch?
>
>People who enjoyed the movies, Dud.
>
>> L&S could have made plenty of money had written for them because there
>> were/are Presleyholics would buy anything. However they didn't want to
>> be associated with them.
>
>That's nice. What kind of films does Mike Stoller watch?

What movies Stoller watches or doesn't watch is of no consequence. He
didn't want his music to be associated/ part of the Presley movies.

>
>Last night I watched "The Patsy," 1928, dir. King Vidor, starring Marion Davies & Marie Dressler.
>
>The night before I watched "The Red Mill," 1927, dir. William Goodrich (Fatty Arbuckle), also starring Davies.
>
>Sunday I watched "Clash by Night," 1952, dir. Fritz Lang, starring Barbara Stanwyck, Robert Ryan, Paul Douglas & Marilyn Monroe.
>

What wonderful life you have, Mooch.

[Michael Pendragon]

Of course it does. As far as you know, Stoller doesn't know jack about movies. Why should I take his opinion for fact?

> >Last night I watched "The Patsy," 1928, dir. King Vidor, starring Marion Davies & Marie Dressler.
> >
> >The night before I watched "The Red Mill," 1927, dir. William Goodrich (Fatty Arbuckle), also starring Davies.
> >
> >Sunday I watched "Clash by Night," 1952, dir. Fritz Lang, starring Barbara Stanwyck, Robert Ryan, Paul Douglas & Marilyn Monroe.
> >
> What wonderful life you have, Mooch.

Yes, Dud. I enjoy watching classic films.

[xpen...@gmail.com]

On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 06:53:51 -0700 (PDT), Michael Pendragon
<michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> What movies Stoller watches or doesn't watch is of no consequence. He
>> didn't want his music to be associated/ part of the Presley movies.
>
>Of course it does. As far as you know, Stoller doesn't know jack about movies. Why should I take his opinion for fact?

Doesn't make any difference, he didn't want his music associated with
Presley's movies which progressively drew less goers and sold less
albums. Presley himself said the music was "shit". People who were
there at the time and in the industry said the same. You got anyone
that says differently, Mooch.

>
>> >Last night I watched "The Patsy," 1928, dir. King Vidor, starring Marion Davies & Marie Dressler.
>> >
>> >The night before I watched "The Red Mill," 1927, dir. William Goodrich (Fatty Arbuckle), also starring Davies.
>> >
>> >Sunday I watched "Clash by Night," 1952, dir. Fritz Lang, starring Barbara Stanwyck, Robert Ryan, Paul Douglas & Marilyn Monroe.
>> >
>> What wonderful life you have, Mooch.
>
>Yes, Dud. I enjoy watching classic films.

Classic to who, Mooch?

[Michael Pendragon]

On Saturday, June 18, 2016 at 8:44:06 AM UTC-4, xpen...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 06:53:51 -0700 (PDT), Michael Pendragon
> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> What movies Stoller watches or doesn't watch is of no consequence. He
> >> didn't want his music to be associated/ part of the Presley movies.
> >
> >Of course it does. As far as you know, Stoller doesn't know jack about movies. Why should I take his opinion for fact?
>
> Doesn't make any difference, he didn't want his music associated with
> Presley's movies which progressively drew less goers and sold less
> albums. Presley himself said the music was "shit". People who were
> there at the time and in the industry said the same.

Name them.

> You got anyone
> that says differently, Mooch.

Sure. Just look at the cast and crew members who worked on each film for a list.

> >> >Last night I watched "The Patsy," 1928, dir. King Vidor, starring Marion Davies & Marie Dressler.
> >> >
> >> >The night before I watched "The Red Mill," 1927, dir. William Goodrich (Fatty Arbuckle), also starring Davies.
> >> >
> >> >Sunday I watched "Clash by Night," 1952, dir. Fritz Lang, starring Barbara Stanwyck, Robert Ryan, Paul Douglas & Marilyn Monroe.
> >> >
> >> What wonderful life you have, Mooch.
> >
> >Yes, Dud. I enjoy watching classic films.
>
> Classic to who, Mooch?

Those of us who appreciate the art form.

[xpen...@gmail.com]

On Sat, 18 Jun 2016 11:12:20 -0700 (PDT), Michael Pendragon

<michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, June 18, 2016 at 8:44:06 AM UTC-4, xpen...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 06:53:51 -0700 (PDT), Michael Pendragon
>> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> What movies Stoller watches or doesn't watch is of no consequence. He
>> >> didn't want his music to be associated/ part of the Presley movies.
>> >
>> >Of course it does. As far as you know, Stoller doesn't know jack about movies. Why should I take his opinion for fact?
>>
>> Doesn't make any difference, he didn't want his music associated with
>> Presley's movies which progressively drew less goers and sold less
>> albums. Presley himself said the music was "shit". People who were
>> there at the time and in the industry said the same.
>
>Name them.
>
>> You got anyone
>> that says differently, Mooch.
>
>Sure. Just look at the cast and crew members who worked on each film for a list.

Really, Mooch? Presley said they were shit.
Lets see the quotes and the source(s), Mooch.

>
>> >> >Last night I watched "The Patsy," 1928, dir. King Vidor, starring Marion Davies & Marie Dressler.
>> >> >
>> >> >The night before I watched "The Red Mill," 1927, dir. William Goodrich (Fatty Arbuckle), also starring Davies.
>> >> >
>> >> >Sunday I watched "Clash by Night," 1952, dir. Fritz Lang, starring Barbara Stanwyck, Robert Ryan, Paul Douglas & Marilyn Monroe.
>> >> >
>> >> What wonderful life you have, Mooch.
>> >
>> >Yes, Dud. I enjoy watching classic films.
>>
>> Classic to who, Mooch?
>
>Those of us who appreciate the art form.

Like the Presley movies, Mooch?

[Michael Pendragon]

On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 8:49:36 AM UTC-4, xpen...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Jun 2016 11:12:20 -0700 (PDT), Michael Pendragon
> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Saturday, June 18, 2016 at 8:44:06 AM UTC-4, xpen...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 06:53:51 -0700 (PDT), Michael Pendragon
> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >> What movies Stoller watches or doesn't watch is of no consequence. He
> >> >> didn't want his music to be associated/ part of the Presley movies.
> >> >
> >> >Of course it does. As far as you know, Stoller doesn't know jack about movies. Why should I take his opinion for fact?
> >>
> >> Doesn't make any difference, he didn't want his music associated with
> >> Presley's movies which progressively drew less goers and sold less
> >> albums. Presley himself said the music was "shit". People who were
> >> there at the time and in the industry said the same.
> >
> >Name them.
> >
> >> You got anyone
> >> that says differently, Mooch.
> >
> >Sure. Just look at the cast and crew members who worked on each film for a list.
>
> Really, Mooch? Presley said they were shit.
> Lets see the quotes and the source(s), Mooch.

You're the one who'd claimed that "People who were there at the time and in the industry said the same [that they were shit]."

The only people who were both "there at the time" and "in the industry" would be the cast and crew members for his films.

Since I have stated that they *didn't* call the movies "shit," there is obviously nothing for me to quote.

Since you *did* claim that they called the movies "shit," I once again ask you to provide the quotes.

> >> >> >Last night I watched "The Patsy," 1928, dir. King Vidor, starring Marion Davies & Marie Dressler.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >The night before I watched "The Red Mill," 1927, dir. William Goodrich (Fatty Arbuckle), also starring Davies.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Sunday I watched "Clash by Night," 1952, dir. Fritz Lang, starring Barbara Stanwyck, Robert Ryan, Paul Douglas & Marilyn Monroe.
> >> >> >
> >> >> What wonderful life you have, Mooch.
> >> >
> >> >Yes, Dud. I enjoy watching classic films.
> >>
> >> Classic to who, Mooch?
> >
> >Those of us who appreciate the art form.
>
> Like the Presley movies, Mooch?

Natch.

[tr...@iwvisp.com]

On Saturday, June 18, 2016 at 11:12:21 AM UTC-7, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Saturday, June 18, 2016 at 8:44:06 AM UTC-4, xpen...@gmail.com wrote:

> > You got anyone
> > that says differently, Mooch.

Are you suggesting that the crew chose to work on the Presley films because the films were good/popular?

Or, are you suggesting that the grips, gaffers, Hair & Makeup, caterers, etc., of the Presley films stated their opinions somewhere concerning the quality of the films?

Funny stuff Michael.

Ray Arthur

[Michael Pendragon]

Not at all, Ray. You need to scroll up to the previous two posts.

Doug stated that people who were "there" (involved to some degree in Elvis' films as his example, Mike Stoller) all thought that said films were "shit."

I asked Doug for quotes. In the portion you've quoted, Doug is asking me to provide the quotes that I'd asked him for.

I don't expect Doug to present any such quotes, because I highly doubt that any such quotes exist. That's the point.

[xpen...@gmail.com]

On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 11:06:01 -0700 (PDT), Michael Pendragon
<michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 11:47:34 AM UTC-4, tr...@iwvisp.com wrote:
>> On Saturday, June 18, 2016 at 11:12:21 AM UTC-7, Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> > On Saturday, June 18, 2016 at 8:44:06 AM UTC-4, xpen...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> > > You got anyone
>> > > that says differently, Mooch.
>>
>> Are you suggesting that the crew chose to work on the Presley films because the films were good/popular?
>>
>> Or, are you suggesting that the grips, gaffers, Hair & Makeup, caterers, etc., of the Presley films stated their opinions somewhere concerning the quality of the films?
>>
>
>Not at all, Ray. You need to scroll up to the previous two posts.
>
>Doug stated that people who were "there" (involved to some degree in Elvis' films as his example, Mike Stoller) all thought that said films were "shit."
>
>I asked Doug for quotes. In the portion you've quoted, Doug is asking me to provide the quotes that I'd asked him for.

I already gave you the quotes from Stoller and Stoker. Read the book
Elvis and the Memphis Mafia and you'll see what Billy Smith ( cousin),
Lamar Fike and Marty Lacker. If I find the time I'll dig up what
Scotty Moore had to say too.

Why do you lie so much, Mooch?

[Michael Pendragon]

On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 5:06:56 PM UTC-4, xpen...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 11:06:01 -0700 (PDT), Michael Pendragon
> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 11:47:34 AM UTC-4, tr...@iwvisp.com wrote:
> >> On Saturday, June 18, 2016 at 11:12:21 AM UTC-7, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >> > On Saturday, June 18, 2016 at 8:44:06 AM UTC-4, xpen...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >> > > You got anyone
> >> > > that says differently, Mooch.
> >>
> >> Are you suggesting that the crew chose to work on the Presley films because the films were good/popular?
> >>
> >> Or, are you suggesting that the grips, gaffers, Hair & Makeup, caterers, etc., of the Presley films stated their opinions somewhere concerning the quality of the films?
> >>
> >
> >Not at all, Ray. You need to scroll up to the previous two posts.
> >
> >Doug stated that people who were "there" (involved to some degree in Elvis' films as his example, Mike Stoller) all thought that said films were "shit."
> >
> >I asked Doug for quotes. In the portion you've quoted, Doug is asking me to provide the quotes that I'd asked him for.
>
> I already gave you the quotes from Stoller and Stoker. Read the book
> Elvis and the Memphis Mafia and you'll see what Billy Smith ( cousin),
> Lamar Fike and Marty Lacker. If I find the time I'll dig up what
> Scotty Moore had to say too.
>

Keep going, Dud.

Your statement ("People who were there") implies "all" or "most" -- not a half dozen.

Go down the cast & crew credits at IMdB and see how many out of the 1,000s of people who worked with him you've actually got quotes from.

[xpen...@gmail.com]

On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 06:21:38 -0700 (PDT), Michael Pendragon

<michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 8:49:36 AM UTC-4, xpen...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Sat, 18 Jun 2016 11:12:20 -0700 (PDT), Michael Pendragon
>> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Saturday, June 18, 2016 at 8:44:06 AM UTC-4, xpen...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 06:53:51 -0700 (PDT), Michael Pendragon
>> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >> What movies Stoller watches or doesn't watch is of no consequence. He
>> >> >> didn't want his music to be associated/ part of the Presley movies.
>> >> >
>> >> >Of course it does. As far as you know, Stoller doesn't know jack about movies. Why should I take his opinion for fact?
>> >>
>> >> Doesn't make any difference, he didn't want his music associated with
>> >> Presley's movies which progressively drew less goers and sold less
>> >> albums. Presley himself said the music was "shit". People who were
>> >> there at the time and in the industry said the same.
>> >
>> >Name them.
>> >
>> >> You got anyone
>> >> that says differently, Mooch.
>> >
>> >Sure. Just look at the cast and crew members who worked on each film for a list.
>>
>> Really, Mooch? Presley said they were shit.
>> Lets see the quotes and the source(s), Mooch.
>
>You're the one who'd claimed that "People who were there at the time and in the industry said the same [that they were shit]."
>
>The only people who were both "there at the time" and "in the industry" would be the cast and crew members for his films.

Presley was there as were Fike, Lacker and Smith. Gordon Stoker said
Presley told him that he thought they were shit. Gave you a quote from
Mike Stoller saying the same. Neither did Leiber want to be associated
with the Presley movies.

>
>Since I have stated that they *didn't* call the movies "shit," there is obviously nothing for me to quote.


>
>Since you *did* claim that they called the movies "shit," I once again ask you to provide the quotes.
>
>
>> >> >> >Last night I watched "The Patsy," 1928, dir. King Vidor, starring Marion Davies & Marie Dressler.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >The night before I watched "The Red Mill," 1927, dir. William Goodrich (Fatty Arbuckle), also starring Davies.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Sunday I watched "Clash by Night," 1952, dir. Fritz Lang, starring Barbara Stanwyck, Robert Ryan, Paul Douglas & Marilyn Monroe.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> What wonderful life you have, Mooch.
>> >> >
>> >> >Yes, Dud. I enjoy watching classic films.
>> >>
>> >> Classic to who, Mooch?
>> >
>> >Those of us who appreciate the art form.
>>
>> Like the Presley movies, Mooch?
>
>Natch.

A few of the classic movies that yo watch, Mooch.

[xpen...@gmail.com]

On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 14:50:24 -0700 (PDT), Michael Pendragon

<michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 5:06:56 PM UTC-4, xpen...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 11:06:01 -0700 (PDT), Michael Pendragon
>> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 11:47:34 AM UTC-4, tr...@iwvisp.com wrote:
>> >> On Saturday, June 18, 2016 at 11:12:21 AM UTC-7, Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> >> > On Saturday, June 18, 2016 at 8:44:06 AM UTC-4, xpen...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > > You got anyone
>> >> > > that says differently, Mooch.
>> >>
>> >> Are you suggesting that the crew chose to work on the Presley films because the films were good/popular?
>> >>
>> >> Or, are you suggesting that the grips, gaffers, Hair & Makeup, caterers, etc., of the Presley films stated their opinions somewhere concerning the quality of the films?
>> >>
>> >
>> >Not at all, Ray. You need to scroll up to the previous two posts.
>> >
>> >Doug stated that people who were "there" (involved to some degree in Elvis' films as his example, Mike Stoller) all thought that said films were "shit."
>> >
>> >I asked Doug for quotes. In the portion you've quoted, Doug is asking me to provide the quotes that I'd asked him for.
>>
>> I already gave you the quotes from Stoller and Stoker. Read the book
>> Elvis and the Memphis Mafia and you'll see what Billy Smith ( cousin),
>> Lamar Fike and Marty Lacker. If I find the time I'll dig up what
>> Scotty Moore had to say too.
>>
>
>Keep going, Dud.
>
>Your statement ("People who were there") implies "all" or "most" -- not a half dozen.

It implies no such thing. I said people who were there and preceded to
name those people, Mooch. I felt like spending the time I could
probably find Hal Wallis saying as much too.

[Michael Pendragon]

I heard you the first 6 times, Dud. If you haven't got anything else, quit flapping your gums.

> >Since I have stated that they *didn't* call the movies "shit," there is obviously nothing for me to quote.
>
>
> >
> >Since you *did* claim that they called the movies "shit," I once again ask you to provide the quotes.
> >
> >
> >> >> >> >Last night I watched "The Patsy," 1928, dir. King Vidor, starring Marion Davies & Marie Dressler.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >The night before I watched "The Red Mill," 1927, dir. William Goodrich (Fatty Arbuckle), also starring Davies.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Sunday I watched "Clash by Night," 1952, dir. Fritz Lang, starring Barbara Stanwyck, Robert Ryan, Paul Douglas & Marilyn Monroe.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> What wonderful life you have, Mooch.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Yes, Dud. I enjoy watching classic films.
> >> >>
> >> >> Classic to who, Mooch?
> >> >
> >> >Those of us who appreciate the art form.
> >>
> >> Like the Presley movies, Mooch?
> >
> >Natch.
>
> A few of the classic movies that yo watch, Mooch.

Last night I watched "Tell It to the Marines," dir. George W. Hill, 1926.

Sunday night I watched "La Kermesse Héroïque," dir. Jacques Feyder, 1935.

Saturday my wife, my daughter and I watched "La Traversée de Paris," dir. Claude Autant-Lara, 1956.

Saturday night I watched "Gribiche," dir. Jacques Feyder, 1928.

[Michael Pendragon]

So what you meant to say was about a half dozen of the 1,000s of individuals who'd worked on Elvis' films didn't like them.

I can see that. I'm sure there are people who don't like pizza too.

[tr...@iwvisp.com]

The vast majority of crew who work on films do not choose a film because they think they'll like it. They take a job for which they applied or have been offered to feed their families. The exceptions might be Director, A D, D P, and a couple of others who could be handpicked by the producer(s) or Director. The remaining crew are craftspeople and laborers who work on as many projects as possible to generate as much income as possible. It's really that simple. I was fortunate to work on/with about 20 features. Jurassic Park, Tim Burton's Planet of the Apes, Dinosaur, Holes, Hidalgo were all very cool. Some more successful/popular than others. Cyborg 3, Pet Shop, The Brave ... not so much.

The overwhelming consensus is that most of Elvis's movies were crap that made money. IMO, if you were to ask their crews about those movies most would say, it was a good experience, the check didn't bounce, Elvis was nice, Ann-Margret was beautiful. The film sucked but I stayed for the credits to make sure they spelled my name correctly, for my kids!

Ray Arthur

[Michael Pendragon]

I'm not implying that the cast and crew chose to work on the films. I'm not even implying that they liked them.

I'm merely asking for proof that they *disliked* them.

Without proof you're merely projecting your own reactions.

> The overwhelming consensus is that most of Elvis's movies were crap that made money. IMO, if you were to ask their crews about those movies most would say, it was a good experience, the check didn't bounce, Elvis was nice, Ann-Margret was beautiful. The film sucked but I stayed for the credits to make sure they spelled my name correctly, for my kids!
>

Elvis' movies were certainly made for money. And they followed a proven formula for making money: small budget, Big star, lots of songs, a little romance, an obligatory fist fight, and an exciting vehicle of some sort (race car, air plane, helicopter, speedboat, motorcycle, etc.).

Many of Elvis' films were produced by Hal B. Wallis ("Casablanca," "Dark Victory," "Gunfight at the O.K. Corral") and helmed by veteran director Norman Taurog ("Skippy," "Boys Town," "The Big Broadcast of 1936"). Wallis and Taurog had also teamed up for the Martin & Lewis films, which Elvis films bear a striking resemblance to (with Elvis in the Dean Martin role and Jerry Lewis having gone AWOL).

Nobody has ever accused the Martin & Lewis films as being cinematic works of art, or even great comedy films; but audiences found them hilariously funny and like Elvis films, M&L films were guaranteed box office hits.

About 2 or 3 years ago, I watched (and/or rewatched) all of the M&L films. Around the same time I also watched (and/or rewatched) all of the Elvis films.

I enjoyed watching them and would watch them again, because they're fun to watch. I think they've held up very well considering that they're lightweight musical comedies (both of which can age very fast).

Elvis didn't hate his films because they were "crap." He hated them because they kept him from becoming a "serious" actor. Dean Martin had scored some critical success in several serious films ("The Young Lions," "Some Came Running," "Toys in the Attic") and Elvis wanted to go a similar route. Elvis had a natural acting ability, but his more serious films that strayed farthest from the formula ("Flaming Star," "Wild in the Country") weren't big hits, and he never got the chance to become a serious actor.

Critics and fans who do knock Elvis films do so for similar reasons.

But for good lightweight entertainment, Elvis films deliver -- even after multiple viewings.

[xpen...@gmail.com]

On Tue, 21 Jun 2016 09:06:54 -0700 (PDT), Michael Pendragon
<michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> >The only people who were both "there at the time" and "in the industry" would be the cast and crew members for his films.
>>
>> Presley was there as were Fike, Lacker and Smith. Gordon Stoker said
>> Presley told him that he thought they were shit. Gave you a quote from
>> Mike Stoller saying the same. Neither did Leiber want to be associated
>> with the Presley movies.
>
>I heard you the first 6 times, Dud. If you haven't got anything else, quit flapping your gums.

You are the one that keeps on asking who said the movies were shit,
Mooch.

How about start practicing netquette editing the posts so I and others
don't continuously have to wade through your nonsense. Didn't your
parents teach manners. Oops, I forget that you were raised by wild
dogs.

>
>> >Since I have stated that they *didn't* call the movies "shit," there is obviously nothing for me to quote.

All the people I mentioned and more called them shit. Gordon Stoker
said that Presley said they were shit too. IMO those movies were
never intended to be good but to suck money from mindless Presleyniks
that would pay to see anything he was in. They simply went from bad to
badder, to terrible. The same with the soundtracks. They dwindling
grosses and sales attest to the fact. It's beyond who with single
functioning brain cell would watch one of them these days. Yet you the
classic film buff watches them. Probably all and multiple times.

>>
>>
>> >
>> >Since you *did* claim that they called the movies "shit," I once again ask you to provide the quotes.

I provided the quotes and you, see towards the beginning of the posts,
yet when I do so you get upset, Mooch.

>> >
>> >
>> >> >> >> >Last night I watched "The Patsy," 1928, dir. King Vidor, starring Marion Davies & Marie Dressler.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >The night before I watched "The Red Mill," 1927, dir. William Goodrich (Fatty Arbuckle), also starring Davies.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Sunday I watched "Clash by Night," 1952, dir. Fritz Lang, starring Barbara Stanwyck, Robert Ryan, Paul Douglas & Marilyn Monroe.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> What wonderful life you have, Mooch.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Yes, Dud. I enjoy watching classic films.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Classic to who, Mooch?
>> >> >
>> >> >Those of us who appreciate the art form.
>> >>
>> >> Like the Presley movies, Mooch?
>> >
>> >Natch.
>>
>> A few of the classic movies that yo watch, Mooch.
>
>Last night I watched "Tell It to the Marines," dir. George W. Hill, 1926.
>
>Sunday night I watched "La Kermesse Héroïque," dir. Jacques Feyder, 1935.
>
>Saturday my wife, my daughter and I watched "La Traversée de Paris," dir. Claude Autant-Lara, 1956.
>
>Saturday night I watched "Gribiche," dir. Jacques Feyder, 1928.

Where are Presley flicks?

[xpen...@gmail.com]

>> It implies no such thing. I said people who were there and preceded to
>> name those people, Mooch. I felt like spending the time I could
>> probably find Hal Wallis saying as much too.
>
>So what you meant to say was about a half dozen of the 1,000s of individuals who'd worked on Elvis' films didn't like them.

I doubt that were thousands that worked on the Presley movies, Mooch.
If there were the people that put up the money etc were stupid.

[xpen...@gmail.com]

On Tue, 21 Jun 2016 11:09:10 -0700 (PDT), Michael Pendragon
<michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Nobody has ever accused the Martin & Lewis films as being cinematic works of art, or even great comedy films; but audiences found them hilariously funny and like Elvis films, M&L films were guaranteed box office hits.
>

M&L films were similar crap. I never understood how anyone ever found
Jerry Lewis to be funny. Do you find retarded people funny to watch,
Mooch?

[Michael Pendragon]

On Wednesday, June 22, 2016 at 12:19:01 PM UTC-4, xpen...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Jun 2016 09:06:54 -0700 (PDT), Michael Pendragon
> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >The only people who were both "there at the time" and "in the industry" would be the cast and crew members for his films.
> >>
> >> Presley was there as were Fike, Lacker and Smith. Gordon Stoker said
> >> Presley told him that he thought they were shit. Gave you a quote from
> >> Mike Stoller saying the same. Neither did Leiber want to be associated
> >> with the Presley movies.
> >
> >I heard you the first 6 times, Dud. If you haven't got anything else, quit flapping your gums.
>
> You are the one that keeps on asking who said the movies were shit,
> Mooch.
>
> How about start practicing netquette editing the posts so I and others
> don't continuously have to wade through your nonsense. Didn't your
> parents teach manners. Oops, I forget that you were raised by wild
> dogs.

Google automatically hides the previous posts.

> >> >Since I have stated that they *didn't* call the movies "shit," there is obviously nothing for me to quote.
>
> All the people I mentioned and more called them shit. Gordon Stoker
> said that Presley said they were shit too. IMO those movies were
> never intended to be good but to suck money from mindless Presleyniks
> that would pay to see anything he was in. They simply went from bad to
> badder, to terrible. The same with the soundtracks. They dwindling
> grosses and sales attest to the fact. It's beyond who with single
> functioning brain cell would watch one of them these days. Yet you the
> classic film buff watches them. Probably all and multiple times.

Last I checked "Live Little, Love a Little" was playing at TCM on demand. "It Happened at the World's Fair" was offered there last week.

> >> >Since you *did* claim that they called the movies "shit," I once again ask you to provide the quotes.
>
> I provided the quotes and you, see towards the beginning of the posts,
> yet when I do so you get upset, Mooch.

Don't flatter yourself, Dud.

> >> >> >> >> >Last night I watched "The Patsy," 1928, dir. King Vidor, starring Marion Davies & Marie Dressler.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >The night before I watched "The Red Mill," 1927, dir. William Goodrich (Fatty Arbuckle), also starring Davies.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >Sunday I watched "Clash by Night," 1952, dir. Fritz Lang, starring Barbara Stanwyck, Robert Ryan, Paul Douglas & Marilyn Monroe.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> What wonderful life you have, Mooch.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Yes, Dud. I enjoy watching classic films.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Classic to who, Mooch?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Those of us who appreciate the art form.
> >> >>
> >> >> Like the Presley movies, Mooch?
> >> >
> >> >Natch.
> >>
> >> A few of the classic movies that yo watch, Mooch.
> >
> >Last night I watched "Tell It to the Marines," dir. George W. Hill, 1926.
> >
> >Sunday night I watched "La Kermesse Héroïque," dir. Jacques Feyder, 1935.
> >
> >Saturday my wife, my daughter and I watched "La Traversée de Paris," dir. Claude Autant-Lara, 1956.
> >
> >Saturday night I watched "Gribiche," dir. Jacques Feyder, 1928.
>
> Where are Presley flicks?

I watched/rewatched *all* of them about 2 or 3 years ago. Never saw any of the above films before.

[Michael Pendragon]

Elvis Presley ... Rusty Wells
Shelley Fabares ... Valerie
Harold J. Stone ... Big Frank
Gary Crosby ... Andy
Joby Baker ... Wilbur
Jimmy Hawkins ... Doc
Nita Talbot ... Sunny Daze
Mary Ann Mobley ... Deena
Fabrizio Mioni ... Romano
Jackie Coogan ... Sgt. Benson
Peter Brooks ... Brentwood Von Durgenfeld
John Fiedler ... Mr. Penchill
Chris Noel ... Betsy
Lyn Edgington ... Laurie
Gail Gilmore ... Nancy
Pamela Curran ... Bobbie
Rusty Allen ... Linda
Beverly Adams ... Girl #2
George Cisar ... Bartender at the Kit Kat Club
Theresa Cooper ... Girl
Nancy Czar ... Blonde on Beach
Stasa Damascus ... Girl #3
Jim Dawson ... Muscle Boy
Mike De Anda ... Burt - Bartender at the Sandbar Club
Darren Dublin ... Driver
Tommy Farrell ... Louie
Ted Fish ... Garbageman
Milton Frome ... Police Captain
Norman Grabowski ... 'Wolf Call' O'Brien
Dan Haggerty ... Charlie
Alan Hanley ... 1st Waiter at 77 Club
Hank Jones ... Boy
Ralph Lee ... Officer Jones
Kent McCord ...(uncredited)
Julie Payne ...Girl #1
Richard Reeves ... Officer Wilkins
Olan Soule ... 2nd Waiter at 77 Club
Les Tremayne ...Opening Narrator (voice)
Red West ... Extra in Kit Kat Club

Joe Pasternak...producer
Music by George Stoll
Robert Van Eps
Philip H. Lathrop...director of photography
Film Editing by Rita Roland
Art Direction by George W. Davis
Addison Hehr
Set Decoration by Henry Grace
Hugh Hunt
Makeup Department
Sydney Guilaroff ... hair stylist
William Tuttle ... makeup supervisor
Ron Berkeley ... makeup artist
Larry Geller ... hair designer: Elvis Presley
Production Management
Lindsley Parsons Jr. ... assistant production manager: MGM )
Al Shenberg ... unit production manager
Second Unit Director or Assistant Director
Jack Aldworth ... assistant director
Wally Jones ... assistant director
Art Department
Jim Luttrell ... property master
Sound Department
Franklin Milton ... recording supervisor
Larry Hadsell ... boom operator
Larry Jost ... sound mixer
Bruce Wright ... sound recordist
Stunts
Lightning Bear ... stunts
Bob Herron ... stunts
Camera and Electrical Department
Cliff King ... assistant camera
Bill Norton ... camera operator
Perry O'Brien ... gaffer
Dale Varnum ... assistant camera
Costume and Wardrobe Department
Lambert Marks ... wardrobe
Elva Martien ... wardrobe
Music Department
The Jordanaires ... vocal backgrounds
Ethmer Roten ... musician
Robert Van Eps ... orchestrator
Other crew
Tom Parker ... technical advisor (as Colonel Tom Parker)
Cleo Anton ... script supervisor
David Winters ... choreographer

That's the cast & crew for "Girl Happy." Multiply that by 31 (number of Elvis films) and you've got a total of 2325.

[Michael Pendragon]

On Wednesday, June 22, 2016 at 12:28:37 PM UTC-4, xpen...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Jun 2016 11:09:10 -0700 (PDT), Michael Pendragon
> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Nobody has ever accused the Martin & Lewis films as being cinematic works of art, or even great comedy films; but audiences found them hilariously funny and like Elvis films, M&L films were guaranteed box office hits.
> >
>
> M&L films were similar crap. I never understood how anyone ever found
> Jerry Lewis to be funny. Do you find retarded people funny to watch,
> Mooch?

As evidenced by this thread, I obvious find it amusing to converse with them.

[xpen...@gmail.com]

On Wed, 22 Jun 2016 10:14:21 -0700 (PDT), Michael Pendragon
<michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> How about start practicing netquette editing the posts so I and others
>> don't continuously have to wade through your nonsense. Didn't your
>> parents teach manners. Oops, I forget that you were raised by wild
>> dogs.
>
>Google automatically hides the previous posts.

Get a real newsreader, Mooch.

>

>
>Last I checked "Live Little, Love a Little" was playing at TCM on demand. "It Happened at the World's Fair" was offered there last week.

As I said there are some Presley fans that will watch or by anything
associated with him. IRRC TMC stands for Turner Classic Movies. Are
you saying the Presley movies are classics, Mooch?
>
<snip>

[xpen...@gmail.com]

On Wed, 22 Jun 2016 10:31:45 -0700 (PDT), Michael Pendragon

<michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, June 22, 2016 at 12:28:37 PM UTC-4, xpen...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2016 11:09:10 -0700 (PDT), Michael Pendragon
>> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Nobody has ever accused the Martin & Lewis films as being cinematic works of art, or even great comedy films; but audiences found them hilariously funny and like Elvis films, M&L films were guaranteed box office hits.
>> >
>>
>> M&L films were similar crap. I never understood how anyone ever found
>> Jerry Lewis to be funny. Do you find retarded people funny to watch,
>> Mooch?
>
>As evidenced by this thread, I obvious find it amusing to converse with them.

You see in others as you see in yourself, Mooch. I believe that's
called projecting.

[Michael Pendragon]

On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 8:36:39 AM UTC-4, xpen...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Jun 2016 10:14:21 -0700 (PDT), Michael Pendragon
> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> How about start practicing netquette editing the posts so I and others
> >> don't continuously have to wade through your nonsense. Didn't your
> >> parents teach manners. Oops, I forget that you were raised by wild
> >> dogs.
> >
> >Google automatically hides the previous posts.
>
> Get a real newsreader, Mooch.
> >
>
> >
> >Last I checked "Live Little, Love a Little" was playing at TCM on demand. "It Happened at the World's Fair" was offered there last week.
>
> As I said there are some Presley fans that will watch or by anything
> associated with him. IRRC TMC stands for Turner Classic Movies. Are
> you saying the Presley movies are classics, Mooch?
> >

"TMC" stands for "The Movie Channel," Dud.

"Turner Classic Movies" is "TCM."

[xpen...@gmail.com]

On Fri, 24 Jun 2016 05:45:03 -0700 (PDT), Michael Pendragon
<michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>"TMC" stands for "The Movie Channel," Dud.
>
>"Turner Classic Movies" is "TCM."

They're all the same to me.

[Michael Pendragon]

Reason number 1,427 why Dud Peneny is an idiot.

[xpen...@gmail.com]

On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 19:46:02 -0700 (PDT), Michael Pendragon

<michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, June 25, 2016 at 5:31:54 PM UTC-4, xpen...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Fri, 24 Jun 2016 05:45:03 -0700 (PDT), Michael Pendragon
>> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"TMC" stands for "The Movie Channel," Dud.
>> >
>> >"Turner Classic Movies" is "TCM."
>>
>> They're all the same to me.
>
>Reason number 1,427 why Dud Peneny is an idiot.

The only idiots are the ones that watch reruns of Presley movies
Mooch. Perhaps some day Mooch your intelligence will increase to a one
with Downs Syndrome.

[Michael Pendragon]

It's called Down Syndrome, you idiot.

[xpen...@gmail.com]

On Sun, 26 Jun 2016 17:58:19 -0700 (PDT), Michael Pendragon

<michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, June 26, 2016 at 2:43:05 PM UTC-4, xpen...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 19:46:02 -0700 (PDT), Michael Pendragon
>> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Saturday, June 25, 2016 at 5:31:54 PM UTC-4, xpen...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 24 Jun 2016 05:45:03 -0700 (PDT), Michael Pendragon
>> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >"TMC" stands for "The Movie Channel," Dud.
>> >> >
>> >> >"Turner Classic Movies" is "TCM."
>> >>
>> >> They're all the same to me.
>> >
>> >Reason number 1,427 why Dud Peneny is an idiot.
>>
>> The only idiots are the ones that watch reruns of Presley movies
>> Mooch. Perhaps some day Mooch your intelligence will increase to a one
>> with Downs Syndrome.
>
>It's called Down Syndrome, you idiot.

As one that has it Mooch, you would know!

[Michael Pendragon]

I spent several years editing medical textbooks; however, I believe most people are familiar with the proper name for this condition.

[Frank]

I know this has been asked before, but can't you guys keep your endless quibbling to just one thread since it's obvious neither of you will stop. Thank you in advance if you ever take such a suggestion to heart.

[Michael Pendragon]

I have no need to converse with Dud at all.

If he had the resolution to keep his New Year's resolution, there wouldn't be any problem.

[Frank]

Ok so he broke his New Year resolution. If you have no need to converse with him, then stop doing it.

[Michael Pendragon]

Likewise, I have no need to stop.

Dud offers a convenient means of passing the time during the slow periods at work, or at home when may family has gone to sleep.

Dud may be convenient, but truly a dud when it comes to the art of conversation. If you want me to stop responding to Dud, you need only keep me engaged in on-topic discussions.

[Unknown]

On Mon, 27 Jun 2016 14:02:04 -0700 (PDT), Frank <espo...@comcast.net>
wrote:

>> If he had the resolution to keep his New Year's resolution, there wouldn't be any problem.
>
> Ok so he broke his New Year resolution. If you have no need to converse with him, then stop doing it.

Cause he's addicted to the attention, even if it is negative, since he
gets none anywhere else, Frank.

[Unknown]

On Mon, 27 Jun 2016 14:21:53 -0700 (PDT), Michael Pendragon
<michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Ok so he broke his New Year resolution. If you have no need to converse with him, then stop doing it.
>>
>
>Likewise, I have no need to stop.
>
>Dud offers a convenient means of passing the time during the slow periods at work, or at home when may family has gone to sleep.

What's "may family, " Mooch?

[Frank]

And you can help him break his addiction by not responding Doug

[Unknown]

On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 05:33:05 -0700 (PDT), Frank <espo...@comcast.net>

wrote:

>On Wednesday, June 29, 2016 at 7:57:20 AM UTC-4, nor...@googlegroups.com wrote:
>> On Mon, 27 Jun 2016 14:02:04 -0700 (PDT), Frank <espo...@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >> If he had the resolution to keep his New Year's resolution, there wouldn't be any problem.
>> >
>> > Ok so he broke his New Year resolution. If you have no need to converse with him, then stop doing it.
>>
>>
>> Cause he's addicted to the attention, even if it is negative, since he
>> gets none anywhere else, Frank.
>
>
>And you can help him break his addiction by not responding Doug

I did for five months, but it made no difference, Frank.

[Frank]

Sure it did Doug. Even if he kept blasting you, he never got a reaction back so you were winning and thoses who follow this melodrama knew it.