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[Mark Kleinhaut]

farewell friends and fiends alike. The discourse here has gotten too low and too much for even me- one of the thickest skinned folks I know. It's just all too stupid to get into even... Y'all know who and what I'm talking about. Have a good one.

[rpjazzguitar]

On Thursday, July 16, 2015 at 12:00:20 PM UTC-7, Mark Kleinhaut wrote:
> farewell friends and fiends alike. The discourse here has gotten too low and too much for even me- one of the thickest skinned folks I know. It's just all too stupid to get into even... Y'all know who and what I'm talking about. Have a good one.

Understood. Thanks for your participation.

[Nil]

On 16 Jul 2015, Mark Kleinhaut <markkl...@hotmail.com> wrote in
rec.music.makers.guitar.jazz:

If you would just use a newsreader with a real killfile/filter feature
rather than Google Groups, you'd find this place much more pleasant.
There are bigots and nutcases like what you're seeing here everywhere
in the world. Fortunately, there's a way to deal with them here if you
use the available tools.

[Docbop]

On Thursday, July 16, 2015 at 12:00:20 PM UTC-7, Mark Kleinhaut wrote:

> farewell friends and fiends alike. The discourse here has gotten too low and too much for even me- one of the thickest skinned folks I know. It's just all too stupid to get into even... Y'all know who and what I'm talking about. Have a good one.

A huge loss to this group your posts were always valuable. It's a shame Google lets this off-topic crap go on.

[Nil]

On 16 Jul 2015, Docbop <doc...@gmail.com> wrote in
rec.music.makers.guitar.jazz:

> A huge loss to this group your posts were always valuable. It's
> a shame Google lets this off-topic crap go on.

This is Usenet, a global peered discussion network. Google has nothing
to do with it and no say in the matter, except to possibly censure
(which almost never happens) those that post through its own system.

[Arthur Quinn]

Don't do that.
Avoid the Google usurpation of Usenet.
Get a proper newsreader such as Unison (free) and subscribe via Eternal
September (free).
Then you can choose not to see the crap.

Nil carborundum illegitemi !

Arthur

--
Arthur Quinn
real-email arthur at bellacat dot com

[David J. Littleboy]

"Mark Kleinhaut" wrote in message
news:c19f6520-8062-4d8f...@googlegroups.com...

There's technology for that: it's called the _killfile_. Works great. I
haven't seen a post by LV or dan in years.

--
David J. Littleboy
Tokyo, Japan

[Docbop]

> rec.music.makers.guitar.jazz:
>
> > A huge loss to this group your posts were always valuable. It's
> > a shame Google lets this off-topic crap go on.
>
> This is Usenet, a global peered discussion network. Google has nothing
> to do with it and no say in the matter, except to possibly censure
> (which almost never happens) those that post through its own system.

Cool didn't find the newsreader you mentioned but found another that looks good Xpn. Getting configured for eternal-september so all will be good soon. Thanks.

[Gerry]

And don't forget, things change every few months...
--
Music is the best means we have of digesting time. -- W. H. Auden

[Gerry]

Google is the reason to use a dedicated newsreader with plenty of killfiles.

[Gerry]

It will make your usenet experience *markedly* better.

[Andrew Schulman]

On Thursday, July 16, 2015 at 3:00:20 PM UTC-4, Mark Kleinhaut wrote:
> farewell friends and fiends alike. The discourse here has gotten too low and too much for even me- one of the thickest skinned folks I know. It's just all too stupid to get into even... Y'all know who and what I'm talking about. Have a good one.

Mark, it's no use. This is what's going to happen:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPw-3e_pzqU

Andrew

[2cts]

Hehe Andrew, thanks for all your much very instant and interrestring info!
You even do not rely on what level the response income wouled matter very.

[bb3...@gmail.com]

Ha, funny be that--fortunately I've seen Mark's posts, especially his recent run of solo guitar posts which I also went out of my way to listen to and comment on as I enjoyed them... How curious it is that in strongly opposing a thing you become the thing itself simply by the degree of your opposition and general association to the mess of it, but that's a life lesson I've learned here and part of the sad hypocrisy that runs rampant on this list. And unlike LV, whose trail is littered with the same cookie-cutter junk everywhere he goes, it is something I've never experienced even a pinch of anywhere else on the net I've posted peacefully on a variety of topics and forums over decades of posting now. And this is the reaction here among those like David, who I imagine fancies himself a thinking individual. Oh well, live and learn....not all musicians are as cool---and especially *open-minded*---as they'd like you to think they are or perhaps as someone like myself would hope they'd be.

FWiW, Good luck Mark, and sorry we never got to meet when you were in Maine or that you never got to hook up with Paul Erlich in Boston to try out some of his microtonal guitars... onward and forward, and may creativity and open-mindedness be at your sails

[Mr. Maj6th]

Dan who?

Maj6th

[Nil]

On 16 Jul 2015, Gerry <add...@domain.com> wrote in
rec.music.makers.guitar.jazz:

> On 2015-07-16 19:33:41 +0000, Nil said:
>>
>> This is Usenet, a global peered discussion network. Google has
>> nothing to do with it and no say in the matter, except to
>> possibly censure (which almost never happens) those that post
>> through its own system.
>
> Google is the reason to use a dedicated newsreader with plenty of
> killfiles.

I don't find that to be necessarily true. The most clueless posters
probably originate at google, but so do a lot of people who are
otherwise good citizens, those who are thoughtful and considerate but
maybe aren't that computer literate or are forced to use google. I find
that most of the really vicious trolls know their way around the
Internet pretty well, and that includes knowing about Usenet readers
and services.

I'm not one of these guys who killfile all google group posters on one
blow, though it's silly easy to do. That would eliminate too many
people who I enjoy talking to. I killfile on a case by case basis. If I
find that their contributions are consistently worthless and
destructive, in they go. When I spend more time hitting the delete key
than reading what they post, that's when I let the computer do the work
for me.

[Gerry]

On 2015-07-17 00:43:24 +0000, Nil said:

> On 16 Jul 2015, Gerry <add...@domain.com> wrote in
> rec.music.makers.guitar.jazz:
>
>> On 2015-07-16 19:33:41 +0000, Nil said:
>>>
>>> This is Usenet, a global peered discussion network. Google has
>>> nothing to do with it and no say in the matter, except to
>>> possibly censure (which almost never happens) those that post
>>> through its own system.
>>
>> Google is the reason to use a dedicated newsreader with plenty of
>> killfiles.
>
> I don't find that to be necessarily true.

Yeah, it's an exaggeration.

[bb3...@gmail.com]

ha, yup that guy...Mister Min2nd

[Andrew Schulman]

On Thursday, July 16, 2015 at 8:28:00 PM UTC-4, 2cts wrote:
> Hehe Andrew, thanks for all your much very instant and interrestring info!
> You even do not rely on what level the response income wouled matter very.

Vielen Dank, 2cts. Ich würde nie auf das einkommen eines Gitarristen verlassen, schließlich bin ich ein Gitarrist.

Andrew

[Stringswinger]

On Thursday, July 16, 2015 at 12:00:20 PM UTC-7, Mark Kleinhaut wrote:

> farewell friends and fiends alike. The discourse here has gotten too low and too much for even me- one of the thickest skinned folks I know. It's just all too stupid to get into even... Y'all know who and what I'm talking about. Have a good one.

Yep, I came back her after a few years away and have certainly found that this is a pretty awful place to discuss jazz guitar these days.

The forum at jazzguitar.be is a way better place

[jazzpierce]

On Thursday, July 16, 2015 at 2:00:20 PM UTC-5, Mark Kleinhaut wrote:
> farewell friends and fiends alike. The discourse here has gotten too low and too much for even me- one of the thickest skinned folks I know. It's just all too stupid to get into even... Y'all know who and what I'm talking about. Have a good one.

Mark., I lurk here and have always enjoyed your playing that you have posted.
Sorry to see you go but completely understand given the individuals who post
that apparently have no life other than spending all of their time posting
idiotic rhetoric. Continue to play and enrich peoples lives with your talent.

[Rondo]

Just put them all in the bozo bin in your newsreader. Don't leave. Lurker
that I am, I appreciate your contributions. I ignore the 'royalty' and
techno-dweebs and other pontificators - all the stuff that has NOTHING to do
with jazz guitar.

Your point of view is much appreciated and valuable. You and Jimmy (haven't
seen him in a while) and others make it worthwhile.

[Mark Kleinhaut]

Thanks for the comments guys. I downloaded a newsreader ap to my iPhone but I guess I'm too dumb to get it working. I haven't used a compute on the web in years and don't expect to. Seems like it's Google groups or nothing. I'll be around on facebook groups and jazzguitar.be.

[Gerry]

On 2015-07-17 20:42:00 +0000, Mark Kleinhaut said:

> I downloaded a newsreader ap to my iPhone but I guess I'm too dumb to
> get it working.

Most people who don't use a dedicated newsreader poop out during the
set-up phase. Be strong! I use NewsTap when on the iphone--but only
when I'm out of town. It does killfiles.

> I haven't used a compute on the web in years and don't expect to.

I'm not following: You have used a computer on the web? But ggroups
*is* on the web. Do you mean you only use in iphone for web access?

> Seems like it's Google groups or nothing. I'll be around on facebook
> groups and jazzguitar.be.

Ah; do what you gotta do.

[Joey Goldstein]

On 2015-07-16 3:00 PM, Mark Kleinhaut wrote:
> farewell friends and fiends alike. The discourse here has gotten too low and too much for even me- one of the thickest skinned folks I know. It's just all too stupid to get into even... Y'all know who and what I'm talking about. Have a good one.
>

I hear ya.

[hw]

Am Freitag, 17. Juli 2015 02:20:30 UTC+2 schrieb Gerry:
> On 2015-07-16 19:04:03 +0000, rpjazzguitar said:
>
> > On Thursday, July 16, 2015 at 12:00:20 PM UTC-7, Mark Kleinhaut wrote:
> >> farewell friends and fiends alike. The discourse here has gotten too
> >> low and too much for even me- one of the thickest skinned folks I know.
> >> It's just all too stupid to get into even... Y'all know who and what
> >> I'm talking about. Have a good one.
> >
> > Understood. Thanks for your participation.
>
> And don't forget, things change every few months...

no, they don't. rmmgj has long gone to the shizzers. imo it all started when jurupari got bullied away from this place many moons ago. these days you guys seem to be happy just to beat on stearns as hard as possible.
i realize that dan has some mental issues (which he adressed here iirc) that seem to allow for even the weakest to find some sort of satisfaction piling up on him. mcnamara the psychologist seems to be especially keen on totally destroying him. i'm sure he's a warm and caring person in his dayjob,lol.

regarding LV he was only the last nail in the coffin for rmmgj. the fact that formerly respected rmmgj'ers decided to welcome him with open arms and even offering to test-drive his amps was downright disgusting. kleinhaut and zucker, i'm looking at you. what's next, a shopping trip to dr. mengele's outlet shop?

right now it would apear that you guys deserve each other's company. the interesting people have all long gone and what's left are the clowns like nil, maj6th, LV, et al., "people" (and i use the term pretty loosely here) who've yet to make a meaningful post on this ng.

[Mr. Maj6th]

On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 01:32:23 -0700 (PDT), hw <in...@holgerweber.com>
wrote:

This clown wants to know if you are crying as you write this?

Maj6th

[Lord Valve]

MmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmENGELE! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!

This dude's really special! (The Lord desperately flails at
His right arm, which is trying to fly upward. "Mein F...
mmmph...gack...) In some fetid swamp in parts of South
America unknown, the Evil Amp Nazi turns out diabolical
clones from cells scraped from the corpse of von Leo der
Verstärkerfuhrer, selling them to unsuspecting musicians
who have no idea what the evil circuits might do to their
earnest efforts to produce cheerful leftist propaganda
jingles; the burghers mutter dispiritedly in the background,
torches and pitchforks at half-staff, hoping against hope for
the success of another in a decades-long string of attempts
to banish the evil genius from their environs, knowledge of
their swift and sure defeat etched upon their sweaty countenances.
"Der weiße Engel, der weiße Engel!" screeches a gray-haired
harpy, to no avail. The burghers know whom it is they face;
death from natural causes is the worst they can wish upon der
Elektron-meister, and waiting is the only defense they can
muster at this point.

At the end of a long night spent torturing hapless electrons
to make them act in ways those with a more conventional
education would swear are impossible, der Oberrohrenfuhrer,
smirking, retires after a light repast to fall into a deep
and untroubled slumber.

Elrod Vavle, ThD
Amp Wizard

Special thanks to "The Boys from Brazil," "Dr. Strangelove,"
"Frankenstein," and "Marathon Man."

Is it safe?

[Lord Valve]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnmIoF_2Q4Y

[Lord Valve]

On Thursday, July 16, 2015 at 1:00:20 PM UTC-6, Mark Kleinhaut wrote:
> farewell friends and fiends alike. The discourse here has gotten too low and too much for even me- one of the thickest skinned folks I know. It's just all too stupid to get into even... Y'all know who and what I'm talking about. Have a good one.

Another tearful cybersuicide announcement. "Goodbye, cruel world!"

Can I pull the flusher for you, sir? Nothing
more entertaining than a Final Swirl.


Lord Kevorkian
Always glad to help...

[Lord Valve]

Osculari asinum!

LV

[Joey Goldstein]

Semper ubi sub ubi!!!

[Lord Valve]

On Thursday, July 16, 2015 at 1:00:20 PM UTC-6, Mark Kleinhaut wrote:

> farewell friends and fiends alike. The discourse here has gotten too low and too much for even me- one of the thickest skinned folks I know. It's just all too stupid to get into even... Y'all know who and what I'm talking about. Have a good one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bh4se9YMV3A

[Gerry]

On 2015-07-18 08:32:23 +0000, hw said:

> Am Freitag, 17. Juli 2015 02:20:30 UTC+2 schrieb Gerry:
>> On 2015-07-16 19:04:03 +0000, rpjazzguitar said:
>>
>>> On Thursday, July 16, 2015 at 12:00:20 PM UTC-7, Mark Kleinhaut wrote:
>>>> farewell friends and fiends alike. The discourse here has gotten too>
>>>> >> low and too much for even me- one of the thickest skinned folks I
>>>> know.> >> It's just all too stupid to get into even... Y'all know who
>>>> and what> >> I'm talking about. Have a good one.
>>>
>>> Understood. Thanks for your participation.
>>
>> And don't forget, things change every few months...
>
> no, they don't. rmmgj has long gone to the shizzers. imo it all started
> when jurupari got bullied away from this place many moons ago. these
> days you guys seem to be happy just to beat on stearns as hard as

> possible.i realize that dan has some mental issues (which he adressed

> here iirc) that seem to allow for even the weakest to find some sort of
> satisfaction piling up on him. mcnamara the psychologist seems to be
> especially keen on totally destroying him. i'm sure he's a warm and
> caring person in his dayjob,lol.

LOL indeed: Dan comes here with incendiary posts and a fire breaks
out--who could have predicated it?!

> regarding LV he was only the last nail in the coffin for rmmgj. the
> fact that formerly respected rmmgj'ers decided to welcome him with open
> arms and even offering to test-drive his amps was downright disgusting.
> kleinhaut and zucker, i'm looking at you. what's next, a shopping trip
> to dr. mengele's outlet shop?
> right now it would apear that you guys deserve each other's company.
> the interesting people have all long gone and what's left are the
> clowns like nil, maj6th, LV, et al., "people" (and i use the term
> pretty loosely here) who've yet to make a meaningful post on this ng.

Come on, man, now you're happy to be beating on them as hard as
possible despite their mental issues? ;-)

[Tim McNamara]

I tried the Usenet apps for iOS and didn't have much success with it.
There's not enough of a market for anyone to really develop a good app
for reading newsgroups. A computer really is the way to go, and
computers are gradually going the way of the dodo with tablets and
smartphones. I know a lot of people now who don't even hve a laptop-
just their phone and/or tablet. Of course 90% of their Internet usage
is Facebook and other social media; I am still an old style Internet
user from 25 years ago. The Web is still a newfangled contraption to
me. ;-)

See you over on jazzguitar.be! I am allergic to Facebook and refuse to
use it, so I won't see you there.

[Tim McNamara]

On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 01:32:23 -0700 (PDT), hw <in...@holgerweber.com>
wrote:

Thanks for the constructive contribution to our civil discourse!

[bb3...@gmail.com]

wow, and I thought I'd never see another poster like this here again, well, ever..... now I'm only 99.9% alone in some long held POV here, FWiW, made my day, here in jazzguitarHell anyway

[Nil]

On 18 Jul 2015, Tim McNamara <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote in
rec.music.makers.guitar.jazz:

> I tried the Usenet apps for iOS and didn't have much success with
> it. There's not enough of a market for anyone to really develop a
> good app for reading newsgroups.

That seems to be true of Android, too. I've tried a couple of Android
newsreaders, but they were half-baked and unusable and seem to be
abandoned by their authors already.

[clevelandjazz]

holger weber, you never fail to get mean spirited and ugly. You must have missed the part where after someone posted quotes from LV using the "N" word I described my involvement in civil rights, how I spent time in jail over that and took back my offer saying I did not do business with racists and that it's a deal breaker for me.

But, instead of trying to point out something privately you choose to get ugly in a public forum with accusations and finger pointing.

Frankly you are one of the biggest offenders here and never fail to devolve into mean spirited name calling and finger pointing.

[hw]

Am Sonntag, 19. Juli 2015 17:49:41 UTC+2 schrieb clevelandjazz:
> holger weber, you never fail to get mean spirited and ugly. You must have missed the part where after someone posted quotes from LV using the "N" word I described my involvement in civil rights, how I spent time in jail over that and took back my offer saying I did not do business with racists and that it's a deal breaker for me.
>
> But, instead of trying to point out something privately you choose to get ugly in a public forum with accusations and finger pointing.
>
> Frankly you are one of the biggest offenders here and never fail to devolve into mean spirited name calling and finger pointing.

jack zucker, you're on the record for endorsing lord valve on several newsgroups for over a decade now. a quick google search finds you characterizing him as follows: "Lord Valve is very knowledgeable and anything but foolish".

so please do not be disappointed if i don't loose any sleep over you disliking me. given your skills at judging characters i wouldn't want it any other way.

[Lord Valve]

Hey, *I* know: Let's start a club! We (I use the term loosely)
can have a tree house and a secret handshake and elect a President
(or a Grand Pooh-Bah or an Imperial Wizard or Great Supreme Kingfish
or something) and have meetings and *everything*! It'll be so COOL!
We can put playing cards in our bike spokes and tassels on the
handlebars and maybe even a raccoon tail on the back fender! And
once a week we can all get together and argue about who hates LV
the most, and have awards and prizes and stuff!

Hey - can I join?


His High Holy Thermionic Radiance, Lord Valve, ThD
Oberrohrenführer, Thousand Year Glass Reich
Founding Member, Vast Rightwing Conspiracy
Wing Commander, Black Helicopter Squadron 7734
Founder, Million Dollar Snob Team (defunct)
Founder, HARM (Heavily Armed Rightwing Maniacs)
Grand Dragoon, Knights of the Vakuum Klan
Destroyer of Worlds
Generally Mean Sumbitch
And So Forth

[Mr. Maj6th]

Can we wear our propeller bennie?

Maj6th

[clevelandjazz]

On Sunday, July 19, 2015 at 3:03:17 PM UTC-4, hw wrote:

> so please do not be disappointed if i don't loose any sleep over you disliking me.

Bwhahahaha. Now that's funny. How about you telling me what you did for civil rights other than quack about it in a newsgroup Holger Weber? You're on record for over a decade for being one of the most disagreeable folks in this newsgroup's history so excuse me for not losing any sleep over your negative portrayal of anyone.

[charlieguitar]

And thus your case has been made. Farewell.......Charlie

[Gerry]

On 2015-07-19 20:54:18 +0000, clevelandjazz said:

> On Sunday, July 19, 2015 at 3:03:17 PM UTC-4, hw wrote:
>
>> so please do not be disappointed if i don't loose any sleep over you
>> disliking me.
> Bwhahahaha. Now that's funny. How about you telling me what you did for
> civil rights other than quack about it in a newsgroup Holger Weber?

What the hell have civil rights got to do with this newsgroup? Is that
the credentials we have to have now for either a) discussing jazz
guitar or b) being dissapointed how many hand jobs people give to LV?
I mean, I wouldn't be surprised, but it would be nice to know.

> You're on record for over a decade for being one of the most
> disagreeable folks in this newsgroup's history so excuse me for not
> losing any sleep over your negative portrayal of anyone.

I disagree completely. I've found his remarks quite worthwhile before
he stopped attending. So let's stop comparing--at least stop comparing
the two of you.

[Lord Valve]

Who's "bennie?" Somebody sneak in? And why does he get
to make rules? He's a noob!

LV

[Lord Valve]

On Sunday, July 19, 2015 at 1:03:17 PM UTC-6, hw wrote:

> jack zucker, you're on the record for endorsing lord valve on several newsgroups for over a decade now.

Ruh-oh...Scooby in trouble! Ghosts?

a quick google search finds you characterizing him as follows: "Lord Valve is very knowledgeable and anything but foolish".

Hmmmm...I smell a History Adjustment. *You* know, the kind
they used to do in the old SovBloc back in the cold war days;
all of a sudden, some poor sumbitch who had cracked wrong (or
banged a Politburo bigwig's daughter or his wife or something)
was suddenly disappeared - they cut his picture out of books
and magazines, removed all references to him from newspapers,
and the KGB started sniffing around all of his former "friends"
to make sure none of them also smelled funny. Paleo-PC, as it
were.

It's a bit harder to do this sort of thing now, what with every
fart anyone cuts still stinking on a thousand servers until the
end of time (which might not be all that far away, since we have
a fool at our helm who is trying to kill the United States, last
bastion against the third-world commie and musloid hordes) but
nonetheless Mr. Zucker must be seen to have made the attempt;
propriety (and his own internal programming and worldview) demand
it, as do his luntzmen. Since he's seen fit to use the R-word,
a rapid and complete disengagement on all fronts is now called
for: NO, LV *isn't* "very knowledgeable and anything but foolish,"
what could he *possibly* have been thinking? Penance is required;
he must light a candle in front of the velvet painting of The
Immaculated One in his home shrine and say twelve Hail Moochelles.

This is a time-honored traditional leftist pastime, the alteration
of perceived reality (or the definition thereof) based on "new"
information. It's a fun game - let's play! Thomas Edison, for
instance; hated Jews and black people, so he didn't *really*
invent the vacuum tube, and if he *did*, all you lefty geetah-
pickahs gonna have to stop usin' em. Light bulbs and sound
recording devices, too. Damn, that smarts! And any of you cats
drivin' Fords? Yep - ol' Henry was a Jew-hater too, so...better
go trade 'em in for Smart Cars. (Hmmmm...careful with that one;
might be a Nazi or two in *that* woodpile...) Come to think of
it, 'ol Hank invented the assembly line too, so anything that's
mass produced also gotta go. Damn, if we play this game to its
logical (ROFLMBFAO!) conclusion, you poor schmucks will wind
up sitting in the forest beating on hollow logs and howling at
the moon. William Shockley, inventor of the point-contact
transistor and many other SS devices (and a Nobel Prize winner
in physics) thought black people were genetically inferior and
of low intelligence, and wrote several papers to that effect.
Damn - no transistors for the Politically Correct! Maybe you
can all glue megaphones to your guitars...yeah, that's the ticket...

It's fun, of course, to play this game on the micro level...
picking out various historical figures and busting them for
"racism" (or any of the other popular isms) but the macro
level is quite a bit more interesting. Hey - any of you cats
have any Japanese gear? The Japanese might not be the top
racists on the planet, but they're up there; did you know
that Japanese citizens of Korean descent whose ancestors
have been born in the country for three generations carry
ID that describes them as Koreans? And we don't *even*
want to talk about the Burakumin, the Japanese undercaste.

Speaking of castes, time for a trip to India! Some of 'em
wear marks on their foreheads which identify them as being
from the superior level of Indian society; the Indian caste
system, a form of rigidly structured institutional classism
(and in some cases, racism) which has existed for centuries
(if not millennia) will *never* be deconstructed, but hey...
we can do business with 'em, right? And the Koreans...mein
Gott in Himmel (a little Kraut lingo, there) you'd be hard
put to find a group of people who were more convinced of
their innate superiority anywhere on this poor globally-
warmed orb, but...Korean stuff is pretty cool, so we'll
give 'em a pass, eh? And speaking of the Krauts, they
were so sure they were the cat's meow they started a war
that killed over sixty million people, but...Fahrvergnügen,
eh? Rev up that Beemer!

Yes, it's certainly fun to cop righteous attitude and get
all puffed up about who you won't do business with based
on some societal programming instilled by your parents
or the NEA or the people you hang with or even the government,
isn't it? What, the asshole who runs Chick fil A is a Christian?
Fuck HIM, gimme a McChicken! What, those assholes won't bake
cakes for queers? MAKE 'EM DO IT! THREATEN 'EM! FINE 'EM! JAIL
'EM! 'Cuz I know if *I* was a queer, I'd certainly want to eat
a cake that was baked for me at gunpoint by someone who didn't
want to do it - right? But it works so much better on the
micro level...much easier to pick a small company or an individual
one can point a convenient finger at; instant gratification,
instant justification for one's worldview, instant warm tribal
feelings. So good, so nice...you're the BEST! You're superior!
You're righteous! You're better than him/her/them!

Hey, wait a minute... isn't this where we came in? I smell a fish...


Lord Valve, ThD
"Racist"

[bb3...@gmail.com]

I saw it and said exactly what I thought about it to no response from either the racist or the ego maniac of course...so I ask you Jack Zucker---and what end did that come to exactly? Did you un-endoese yourself from buttering his bread? Nack off from associating yourself with him? Get a wonderful explanation that cleared everything up? Inquiring minds what to know.... and I for one am so glad someone with REAL backbone like Holger is telling it like it is and NOT just paying lip service to it to save face for Christ's sake!!! one fucking person out of dozens regularly posting here in this hell hole, amazing.

[Lord Valve]

Write it all down in a tear-stained letter and send it to
DownBeat. Wait - you did that already, right? I think it's
scheduled for publication around July 2031.

I'll try not to hold my breath...


Fuck you. (Nothing personal - everybody gets one.)