easter love,
chrisTiaN
--
" Winners don't do drugs...They just sell them. "
I saw it yesterday and I thought it was awesome.Really dark and weird.If
there is such a thing as an industrial movie,this might be it.But who
cares what it is,as long as it's good,right?And emmmm....Easter love to
you too,I guess.
belladonna.
> pretty simple message here. go see the movie crash. it's, um, stranger
> than fuck. with a lot of fucking ironically. (but cronenberg/burg
> always uses sexual overtones in his movies...)
don't let thee inclusion ov sex fool yeou younguns out there (this is for
yeou brandon) do *not* go expecting this to be a porn...it's not...thee
sex is *very* un-erotic, and all ov it serves a higher purpose. it's a
masterpiece.
-downfall
"the man has no sense of reality at all" - george drakoulias
: -downfall
Oh, so it's JUST LIKE porn!
:^)
Dan
Did it speak to your own perverse nature?
YESYESYES- it was theee movie of '96 (erm, maybe Breaking the Waves was, but
still ...); Cronenberg is back in great shape. Funnily, I found that of all ppl
I spoke to who'd seen the film, about 95 per cent thought it was utter shite
while 5 per cent thought it was mind-blowing. No in-betweens. Worse than old and
new school industrialists. Fantastic.
>
> don't let thee inclusion ov sex fool yeou younguns out there (this is for
> yeou brandon) do *not* go expecting this to be a porn...it's not...thee
> sex is *very* un-erotic, and all ov it serves a higher purpose. it's a
> masterpiece.
Erm ... _un_erotic??? _very_ _un_erotic?????? I have to disagree here. Porns are
unerotic. Big ugly wet dicks in an ugly lighting are unerotic, CRASH has an
awesome weird eroticism I still cannot fathom out. The mechanical sex acts
between Ballard and Catherine - and ultimately between all of the protagonists
display a kind of eroticism unseen before. Even the vagina-like scar of the
crash victim is in an unsettling twisted way - maybe not erotic, but definitely
not un-erotic. BTW, Downfall, what's the higher purpose? I was deeply disturbed
and desperately needed a cigarette when I came out of the cinema; ain't that
purpose enough to be fucked up by a film for a while?
A little anecdote: A few days after seeing the film I was driving back from a
band rehearsal with a friend. I got really scared when we passed the airport,
the concrete blocks, the mulitiplicity of complex motorway interesctions, dozens
of lanes merging splitting darkness thousands of cars, us driving along at 90
mph. Then he said: "Have you seen Crash?" He had thought the same. Metropolitan
freeways will never be the same again ...
Erm, and read the _book_!
BTW, why do they screen American films in America half a year after they were
shown in Germany? Did nobody want to distribute the film?
ufo (who was really expecting The Normal's _Warm Leatherette_ to be the
soundtrack - shame ...)
that's the way it is with art-films. the US gets them long after
everybody else. on the other hand, everybody else gets the massive
hollywood blockbusters long after the US.
sk
Actually, with this film in particular, the distributor saw it and
freaked. Said it was perverse and refused to distribute it. For some
reason i want to say Ted Turner was somehow involved with the decision,
but I'm not sure about that. It took this long to re-jockey the release
in the US.
Trevor Elkington
Any opinions?
>Any opinions?
Hmmm.... I only own a few cover comps, but here it goes:
1. Assemblage 23 - I Ran (Flock Of Seagulls)
2. Informätik - Immigrant Song (Led Zeppelin)
3. Coil - Tainted Love (Not Soft Cell, but some old singer I forget)
4. Numb - Push It (Salt N. Peppa)
5. :wumpscut: - Crate (the terminator theme!)
Thats it. I don't think I could come up with 10. If I bothered to do a
number 6, it would have been Christ Analogue's Natural Born Killaz, but thats
it for now.
np: battery: transit
1. Sympathy for the Devil- LAIBACH
2. Supernaut- 1000 HOMO DJS
3. Gangsta's Paradise- BATTERY
4. Get Down, Make Love- NIN
5. Rawhide- DEATHLINE INTERNATIONAL
6. Smothered Hope- MINISTRY (hard to find but worth it)
7. Fire- AMGOD
8. Gubert Einer Nation- LAIBACH
9. Do Ya Think I'm Sexy?- REVOLTING COCKS
10. Tequila- KLUTE
web on the web
Burn me to ashes
Reduce me to tears
Confirm all my doubts
And feed all my fears
Well, it was really a Canadian film - it was released there way back. I'd
also imagine that the US distributors wanted to see what happened overseas
before releasing it. Fr'example, if it caused riots in a relatively
easy-going country like the Netherlands, it probably wouldn't go down too
well with the Moral Moronity here in the US. Or, to look at it a little
more cynically, if it caused riots overseas, they could then stir up a
whole bunch of controversy at home, which'd lead to more people going to
see it. I suspect if they'd released it first in the US, it'd have shown
quietly at smaller arty cinemas then disappeared without trace.
> ufo (who was really expecting The Normal's _Warm Leatherette_ to be the
> soundtrack - shame ...)
Have to say that, although I've not actually seen the film, I was also a
little saddened to hear that the soundtrack didn't include any of the many
tracks that've been inspired by the book. "Warm Leatherette" is the most
obvious, but there's a few others out there, like John Foxx's "Underpass"
(and a good chunk of the entire _Metamatic_ album - Foxx was *heavily* into
J.G. Ballard at the time).
Al
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: 2. Supernaut- 1000 HOMO DJS
: 3. Gangsta's Paradise- BATTERY
: 4. Get Down, Make Love- NIN
: 9. Do Ya Think I'm Sexy?- REVOLTING COCKS
Yes to these, along with Coil's Tainted Love, Numb's Push It, the cover of
Madonna's Vogue on the Shut Up Kitty comp. (Bigod 20?), Bauhaus' Ziggy
Stardust, Love & Rockets' Ball of Confusion, Babyland's Burnin' Up, any
cover by Foetus (Puppet Man especially), and a few others I'm sure I've
forgotten.
Dan
Anxiously awaiting Pig's version of War Pigs.
Yes to most of these, and Einsturzende Neubauten's Sand, Coil's Who By
Fire, Meat Beat Manifesto's Asbestos Lead Asbestos, and especially
Laibach's One Vision. And Nine Inch Nails' poppy re-working of Dig It.
Bill
--
"May all your problems be little ones as one child molester say to the
other"
-Naked Lunch
> Erm ... _un_erotic??? _very_ _un_erotic?????? I have to disagree here.
perhaps thee problem is thee way i *stated* wot i meant...wot i meant was
that thee sex in crash is not *intended* to be erotic...though, if viewed
in a certain light (as yeou did) i guess it could be looked upon as a high
art porno...
> BTW, Downfall, what's the higher purpose? I was deeply disturbed and
> desperately needed a cigarette when I came out of the cinema; ain't that
> purpose enough to be fucked up by a film for a while?
it, as any form ov art, has a deep subtext, and should be figured out on
yeour own...trying thinking about what this film is saying about humanity,
and it's obsessions...try viewing thee film again. (i *refuse* to tell
anyone wot "meaning" a piece ov art has...as it should be attained on
yeour own.)
> BTW, why do they screen American films in America half a year after they were
> shown in Germany? Did nobody want to distribute the film?
thee lack ov showing in america has to do with thee media scumbag/self
appointed censor ted turner...he believed that crash had *no* artistic
merit and served to only glorify violence...one ov his numerous film
companies owned thee rights to thee film, and he refused to release it.
-downfall
"the man has no sense of reality" - george drakoulias
SMG's strange days
christ analogue's natural born killaz
bigod 20's like a prayer madonna cover
1000 homo dj's supernaut
institute of technology's king of rock
im sure theres more...
--
Cubano
http://www.students.uiuc.edu/~ihadad/
10. Human League, "You've Lost That Loving Feeling"
9. Cabaret Voltaire, "A Touch of Evil"
8. Coil, "Tainted Love"
7. Cabaret Voltaire, "No Escape"
6. Fini Tribe, "I Want More"
5. Braindead Sound Machine, "Walking After Midnight"
4. Einsturzende Neubauten, "Sand"
3. Laibach, "Life Is Life"
2. Laibach, _Let It Be_
1. Big Black, "The Model"
Honorable mention to the most innovative cover band of all time, This
Mortal Coil.
LAter,
Fran "don't argue" Connor
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Einstuerzende Neubauten - 'Je t'aime...moi non plus' (Serge Gainsbourg)
Sonic Youth - 'Into the groovey' (Madonna)
Coil - 'Who by fire' (Leonard Cohen)
Laibach - 'Sympathy for the devil (Rolling Stones)
Sister of Mercy - 'Sister Ray' (Velvet Underground?)
Here's a couple:
1. Laibach-Sympathy for the Devil
2. Coil-Tainted Love
ufo
in no particular order except for IT and Babyland
: YESYESYES- it was theee movie of '96 (erm, maybe Breaking the Waves was, but
: still ...); Cronenberg is back in great shape. Funnily, I found that of all ppl
: I spoke to who'd seen the film, about 95 per cent thought it was utter shite
: while 5 per cent thought it was mind-blowing. No in-betweens. Worse than old and
: new school industrialists. Fantastic.
maybe someone could explain to me why a movie made in america by an
american director would open almost a year ahead of america, in germany or
europe in general. I've noticed this happens quite frequently with
independent type movies.
: Erm, and read the _book_!
: BTW, why do they screen American films in America half a year after they were
: shown in Germany? Did nobody want to distribute the film?
oh didn't see this, yeh what he said.
Guess its the same as when an american band can't find a label in america
and has to release in europe. But i'd think cronenberg would have a large
enough american audience.
: ufo (who was really expecting The Normal's _Warm Leatherette_ to be the
: soundtrack - shame ...)
that would have bee nice.
Paradigm
coil 'tainted love' (natch)
amgod 'fire!'
index 'canon' (sic)
non aggression pact 'boy'
tilt! 'running up that hill'
babyland 'pink frost'
dive 'twilight fields'
runes order 'the last farewell' / swirling swastikas 'death is the martyr
of beauty.'
the tear garden 'the center bullet' (does this count?)
claus larsen wins points for covering himself for about 5 years,
but loses them all for not covering himself in that dreadful
'legacy of hate and lust' photo.
honorable mention (only because i haven't heard them):
lassigue bendthaus' alleged collection of covers
skinny puppy performing a fifteen-minute version of 'the end' by
the doors in hawaii. it was supposed to be on 'brap', o well...
and o yes, ministry's version of 'smothered hope', sacreligious,
lacking subtlety, but still the best thing al and crew ever did in
my opinion.
yours,
niall.
Play this for anyone who actually appreciates Madonna (a sister,
acquaintence, or someone you really don't like). At first, they have a look
of apprehension as if the opening, although isn't too harsh, is going
somewhere they don't want to be. But the best is seeing them squirm and
writhe as the song they loved is permutated into something from their worst
nightmare........
I love this song. :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>+<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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Brian Corbett (bcor...@chat.carleton.ca) writes:
> JackieBlue (god...@planetc.com) wrote:
>> BiGod20's version of "Like a Prayer". Without a doubt.
>
> Play this for anyone who actually appreciates Madonna (a sister,
> acquaintence, or someone you really don't like). At first, they have a look
> of apprehension as if the opening, although isn't too harsh, is going
> somewhere they don't want to be. But the best is seeing them squirm and
> writhe as the song they loved is permutated into something from their worst
> nightmare........
>
> I love this song. :)
>
Actually I've played this for two Madonna fans, one of which was a
die-hard..and I mean *die*-hard madonna fan (no I don't understand) and I
gotta say...they liked it. Mind you they were aquainted with that style
of music somewhatedly through me. It is a *much* more danceable version
of the song.
No the cover of "Vogue" on Shut Up Kitty on the other hand....
eXniHILio
--
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-The Tick
"You must un-learn..what you have learned..."
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Yes, I played this for my Madonna-and-Prince obsessed roommate a few
years ago. After he'd already classified Ministry as "homicide music".
The look on his face when the guttural "NOW I'M DANCING!" came on was
priceless. Wish I'd taken pictures.
blue. (np: My Bloody Valentine "I Believe")
http://members.tripod.com/~spill/index.html
: maybe someone could explain to me why a movie made in america by an
: american director would open almost a year ahead of america, in germany or
: europe in general. I've noticed this happens quite frequently with
: independent type movies.
First of all, Cronenberg is Canadian and the movie was made in Canada.
Your question has been answered in just about every review of the film:
Ted Turner managed to keep it out of the country for a year because he
thought it was to explicit, graphic, etc. I don't know exactly why or how
they finally managed to get it here.
-greebo
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> where is everyone seeing this movie??? is it out in the US yet???
> argh....
Hah! You're trapped in Milwaukee, too :-) Milwaukee is a pathetic place
for independent and challenging films, having only two theatres that cater
to intelligent cinema. It'll probably take another couple of months for
Crash to make it here, if it does at all. Breaking The Waves just made it
here last week, and that film has been out for months elsewhere around the
country!
BTW, whoever was it on this thread that said Breaking The Waves was the
movie of 1996, I just want to say I TOTALLY agree with you! Very
powerful.
Stef
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summon up the courage
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and to create something everlasting
--Drown For Resurrection
: Guess its the same as when an american band can't find a label in america
: and has to release in europe. But i'd think cronenberg would have a large
: enough american audience.
:
In particular, Ted Turner (who has a large part in the company that
distributes it or something) was not impressed with it, and didn't feel
that it was an acceptable film. Which is why it went through the first
run, second run, and then onto Video here before you guys got it. (=
F.
--
Erm... Yeah. Whatever.
Laibach: The Final Countdown (by Europe)!!
The Industrial Tribute to AC / DC cd
Merzbow covering a Throbbing Gristle song
That's all I can think of right now...
---Eric
1. Big Black - The Model
2. Tuxedomoon - I Heard It Through The Grapevine
3. Laibach - Geburt einer Nation
4. The Residents - It's A Man's World
5. Cabaret Voltaire - No Escape
6. Sigillum S - Radioactivity E.P.
7. Plastic Noise Experience - Smalltown Boy
8. Coil - Tainted Love
9. Death In June - Brown Book (erm, maybe too sick)
10. Einstuerzende Neubauten - Morning Dew
... but what about Snakefinger's The Model, Diamanda Galas' rendering of gospel
songs and all the other Laibach cobvers?? Complicated task ...
ufo
Yes, we have thought about it. And there's a damn good reason why no
one's listed it...
Later,
Fran "Bad idea; bad execution" Connor
: >I don't have many, but I'll contribute.
: >1. Martyr Colony - ina godda da vida
: >2. Informatik - Immigrant Song
: >3. (I forgot who did it. It's one of those Reconstriction bands) -
: 1. Laibach-Sympathy for the Devil
: 2. Coil-Tainted Love
I'd like to point out that I'm STILL waiting for someone to do a nice
crunchy cover of "staying alive". There's a rap version by N-Trance which
is far from good, but suffices as a proof-of-concept.
--
the Meow Mix jingle by Napalm Death would be good, too.
I appreciate some Madonna, including Like a Prayer. And the Bigod 20 version
doesn't bother me one bit.
phoenix.hawk
It is the second best cover, first is Bigod 20`s Like a Prayer.
3 is Coil-Tainted Love
KaT1
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(np: "Collapse" -- Plotkin/Harris)
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elitist, abrasive and hate-filled. the more you're willing to flame, the
better you are. live with it. it's not going to change, nor should it change."
thus spake downfall of the lower case letters.
This new music just ain't got the same air,
I like that old Cabaret Voltaire.
I hate to think about the days of hair
metal bands, gimme Cabaret Voltaire.
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>I'd like to point out that I'm STILL waiting for someone to do a nice
>crunchy cover of "staying alive". There's a rap version by N-Trance which
>is far from good, but suffices as a proof-of-concept.
Anal Cunt did a cover of it already. Although they aren't even close
to industrial music, it's still funny! I think MZ-412 would do a nice
cover of it....
---Eric
Francis X. Connor (wax...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu) writes:
> March A. Briner (m_br...@oz.plymouth.edu) wrote:
> : Have anyone thought of the covers on the Die Krupps "Tribute to Metallica"
> : album? Or, have I missed some key posts earlier int his thread?
>
> Yes, we have thought about it. And there's a damn good reason why no
> one's listed it...
>
> Later,
> Fran "Bad idea; bad execution" Connor
AMEN!
eXniHILio
(np: Alien Crossing-Project Pitchfork)
if you find it for $2 its worth the curiosity of track 9 but don't pay a
cent more
later,
IV
english 101. when someone says "stranger than fuck. with a lot of
fucking..." that's an ironic statement. why? because you're using the
word "fuck" to describe a movie that contains a lot of....yep, you got
it, fucking. now, go back to bed...
> (but cronenberg/burg
> > > always uses sexual overtones in his movies...) that song, and video, by
> > > korN would fit the movie well. and yes, i do like some of the groups on
> > > MTV. if that makes me "non-industrial," then my goal has been achieved.
> > >
> > > easter love,
> > >
> > > chrisTiaN
> > > --
> > > " Winners don't do drugs...They just sell them. "
i just love this fucking newsgroup. you post a message, and you've got
the fucking mafia after you. criticism, fine. degradation, go to hell.
quality is job one,
chrisTiaN
I did like "Do Ya Think I'm Sexy"... Connelly's deadpan sarcasm was
brilliant.
Cheers.
How origanlly wrote this?
numb
numb
now spinnig:
Panic on the Titanic- The Logical Song.
dave
Opus, a cheesy Austrian rock band attempting to be a stadium rock band;
the original was released in 1984 (I think), complete with a crowd
clapping and singing along to the tune. It was a #1 hit around Europe
then. BTW, the original is called "Live Is Life"
ufo
>hmm lessee- no particular order, but here are my faves:
All this talk of industrial bands covering more mainstream stuff got me
thinking. Have any bands in a genre other than electro-industrial done covers
of industrial stuff? I know there's tribute albums to 242 and throbbing
gristle, but their mostly electro industrial bands.
np: zero defects: flat lux
> All this talk of industrial bands covering more mainstream stuff got me
> thinking. Have any bands in a genre other than electro-industrial done covers
> of industrial stuff? I know there's tribute albums to 242 and throbbing
> gristle, but their mostly electro industrial bands.
Fatima Mansions did a fine cover of "Stigmata" by Ministry on an EP;
they also did a very pointed deconstruction of "Shiny Happy People" by
REM on the same disc. Both are worth hearing. The US release is titled
<Timo Mansio Dump the Dead> -- Donald R. Harvill
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are they from?' That was my first reaction upon hearing Cabaret
Voltaire's 1979 record 'Nag Nag Nag,' and this has been the overriding
factor and key influence upon my musical taste, preferences, and ideas
ever since." -- Tim Gane of Stereolab
> James Cooney wrote:
>
> > All this talk of industrial bands covering more mainstream stuff got me
> > thinking. Have any bands in a genre other than electro-industrial done
> > covers of industrial stuff? I know there's tribute albums to 242 and
> > throbbing gristle, but their mostly electro industrial bands.
>
> Fatima Mansions did a fine cover of "Stigmata" by Ministry on an EP
I've seen Primus do Stigamta live, actually it might have been Thieves.
And The Urge used to do a bit of Stigmata in concert.
flail (who would like to hear Primus do Neubauten for some reason)
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>while you're at it, anal cunt's cover of 'unbelievable"...
> niall.
When I saw them live, they even did a cover of MC-Hammer's "Hammer
Time"!! Seth rolled around on the floor and threw things at us.
---Eric
um, my guess is that because of the content there might have been a
problem, but most likely a distributing problem. which is strange
because it is a canadian movie. i saw it in germany as well, last
october when i was living in hamburg, and i didn't expect the film to
take this long to hit the states. (not to mention how cool i felt
telling my friend's here that i saw it last year in germany)
read the book!! one of my favourites as well...
-n.-
>Any opinions?
Not many people outside of Germany will know trhis, but one of the best EBM
/ Industrial covers in the world is "Dich zu lieben" by Genital A-Tech. The
original song is by Roland Kaiser, a German schmaltz singer (think a blue
jeans version of Engelbert Humperdinck and you know what I mean). The cover
really twists the song into something sick and warped. I love it!
Raist
Ein Neuer Mensch ist unsichtbar, Neuer Mensch ist schoen
Neuer Mensch ist kampfbereit, Neuer Mensch ist grausam kalt
>In article <3349AE...@washington.xtn.net>,
>poohn...@washington.xtn.net wrote:
>
>> James Cooney wrote:
>>
>> > All this talk of industrial bands covering more mainstream stuff got me
>> > thinking. Have any bands in a genre other than electro-industrial done
>> > covers of industrial stuff?
>I've seen Primus do Stigamta live, actually it might have been Thieves.
>And The Urge used to do a bit of Stigmata in concert.
SOD (an Anthrax side project) do both Theives and Stigmata.
A better question might be, does anyone cover anything BESIDES
Stigmata?
>
>flail (who would like to hear Primus do Neubauten for some reason)
>
Me too. Let's think of some others...
Tori Amos- Dead Boys Don't Say No
They Might Be Giants- Go To Hell
DC Talk-Days Of Swine & Roses (Just kidding!)
;p
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> flail (who would like to hear Primus do Neubauten for some reason)
Heehee. Yü Güng would become "Leggo my Eggo." Now, that I'd like to
hear.
-Chris Randall
-Who all of the sudden finds himself with a hell of a lot of free
time...
<
<
<Any opinions?
I like Templebeat's cover of "She's lost control" Makes me almost
want to listen to Joy Division.
Love and Peace
Aak
1] "Accross the Universe" is the only Beatles cover that I honestly think
is better than the original, and
2] "For You Blue" is beautiful in a way that defies description. As a
friend of mine said when she first heard it "It's like a symphony... with
a beat...?"
-Le Penguin
"Remember, damaged people are dangerous...
... they know they can survive."
In article <5i171o$c...@nnrp1.news.primenet.com>, Soren Ragsdale <so...@primenet.com> writes:
[snip]
> I'd like to point out that I'm STILL waiting for someone to do a nice
> crunchy cover of "staying alive". There's a rap version by N-Trance which
> is far from good, but suffices as a proof-of-concept
And I'm also waiting for someone to cover The Strangler's _Nice & Sleazy_
(guess I'll be waiting a long time...)
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