Film India - Baburao Patel
jamalf...@googlemail.com
I have a number of Film India magazines in good condition ranging from
1948 to 1954. Would anyone be interested in buying any? I can give a
full list of magazines I have if you're interested. I am based in the
UK and can post out the magazines anyway in the world.
Thanks
Jamal
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Afzal A. Khan
Mr. Jamal,
I have a suggestion, though I am not sanguine that you would
accept it.
Why not donate these magazines ?
This is a group of genuine film music lovers and many of them
(if not most) have spent a great deal of their time (and money
too) to keep this Newsgroup active for nearly two decades.
It is due to their unstinting efforts that the annals of this
NG have acquired an archival value.
You may perhaps get a few hundred pounds (if that) if you sell
them to somebody. That kind of money is soon spent. Would it not
be far better if you donated them to somebody (one or more
deserving people) from this Newsgroup itself ? One name I can
readily recommend is that of Prof. Surjit Singh. He is a
physicist and has also taught with distinction. And yet he has
dedicated himself to creating and maintaining a Website that is
a heaven for music and film lovers. I am of course referring to
the earlier era --- thirties, forties and fifties. I am giving
below the URL of his Website and request you to please visit it
and see for yourself the tremendous work he has done through all
these years. Many collectors have already donated their
collections to him, like Mr. Kamalakar Pasupuleti etc.
http://films.hindi-movies.songs,com/index.html
I would request you to please give my appeal due consideration.
Thanks.
Afzal A. Khan
jamalf...@googlemail.com
Hi Afzal Sahib,
If I was in a position to donate I most definitely would. I know
Surjit Sahib and would gladly donate them to him. I have been
following this newsgroup for the passed 7 years and really appreciate
the knowledge I have gained from the posts here. I am also a genuine,
music and film lover and have shared my collection for free on a
number of occasions.
Circumstances are such that finances are a bit tight and I am selling
off a lot of items I have accumulated over the years - the magazines
being part of the these. I actually bought these a number of years
back from a collector. I thought this forum would be the best place to
sell them as I know they would genuinely go to a good home.
Thank you for your suggestion though and believe me if circumstances
were different I would most definitely follow your request. Anyone
from this newsgroup that knows me will know that I have never stinted
from sharing my collection. I have posted numerous rare songs on
hamaraforums.com and provided rare photographs and articles.
Thank you.
Jamal
Afzal A. Khan
Mr. Jamal,
Thanks for your response.
I understand your position. Financial crises do force people
to do things that they would not dream of doing otherwise.
But let us consider for a moment the economics of your proposal.
Let us assume that you have some issues (say, 50 in number) of
this magazine alone ("Film India") and you offer them on eBay.
It has to be recognized that the market for this magazine is very
very limited. There aren't too many people (apart from our News -
group) that may be interested in music and films of that era when
this magazine flourished. So how much would you expect to collect
per issue ? Maybe one pound (if that) ? So your complete
collection would fetch you, say, 50 or 60 Pounds. That kind of
money may be sufficient for a couple of dinners/movies. Maybe
you can watch a Wimbledon match (from earlier rounds only !).
I do not visit hamaraforums website, but I have no doubt that you
have posted numerous rare songs and provided rare photographs etc.
But still.........
Maybe there is an alternate available. You can provide details of
the magazines you wish to sell (dates etc.) and place a target
price for the entire set (within a reasonable range). And then
perhaps members of our NG can make individual contributions to
add up to that figure and allow the set as a whole to be placed in
the custody of someone like Prof. Surjit Singh. This way, their
contents can be posted on the NG from time to time. This is only
a suggestion and I do not presume any authority to speak on behalf
of other RMIMers.
I am of course aware that, even in the forties, the above magazine
was highly priced (and prized). It had a select clientele. I
recall buying it for one rupee per issue. And there are quite a
few issues (some dating back to 1942 and 1943) lying around in my
house back in India.
I would request other RMIMers also to please furnish their opinion
in regard to Mr. Jamal's proposal.
Afzal
UVR
>
> But let us consider for a moment the economics of your proposal.
> Let us assume that you have some issues (say, 50 in number) of
> this magazine alone ("Film India") and you offer them on eBay.
> It has to be recognized that the market for this magazine is very
> very limited. There aren't too many people (apart from our News -
> group) that may be interested in music and films of that era when
> this magazine flourished. So how much would you expect to collect
> per issue ? Maybe one pound (if that) ? So your complete
> collection would fetch you, say, 50 or 60 Pounds. That kind of
> money may be sufficient for a couple of dinners/movies. Maybe
> you can watch a Wimbledon match (from earlier rounds only !).
>
> Maybe there is an alternate available. You can provide details of
> the magazines you wish to sell (dates etc.) and place a target
> price for the entire set (within a reasonable range). And then
> perhaps members of our NG can make individual contributions to
> add up to that figure and allow the set as a whole to be placed in
> the custody of someone like Prof. Surjit Singh. This way, their
> contents can be posted on the NG from time to time. This is only
> a suggestion and I do not presume any authority to speak on behalf
> of other RMIMers.
>
Afzal saahib,
While I do think that the magazines might fetch considerably
more than £1 if auctioned on eBay and noticed by the right
bidders, that's not what I wanted to say in this post!
What I wanted to say is that I, for one, would wholeheartedly
support the alternative you have proposed above -- RMIMers
pooling money to acquire the collection. If RMIM decides to
go this route, I'll happily contribute my share to the acquisition
of Mr. Jamal Akbar's collection.
It seems to me that Dr. Singh would be one of the best persons
to vouchsafe such an acquisition to, but RMIMers could also
discuss other options -- e.g., if the entire collection could be
digitally copied (microfilm or microfiche, or even just simply
good quality jpegs!), the whole thing could be made available
(via Dr. Singh's website) to the entire world, as it were. And
then, to widen the reach even more, the original magazines
could be donated to a library "network" such as that of the
University of California (or another), which can appreciate
the potential value of the donation and properly preserve
the magazines.
-UVR.
Satish Kalra
news:1178734782....@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
Afzal saahib,
-UVR.
I echo UVR's feelings on this.
--
Happy Listenings.
Satish Kalra
Abhay Phadnis
(snip)
> Mr. Jamal,
>
> Thanks for your response.
>
> I understand your position. Financial crises do force people
> to do things that they would not dream of doing otherwise.
>
> But let us consider for a moment the economics of your proposal.
> Let us assume that you have some issues (say, 50 in number) of
> this magazine alone ("Film India") and you offer them on eBay.
> It has to be recognized that the market for this magazine is very
> very limited. There aren't too many people (apart from our News -
> group) that may be interested in music and films of that era when
> this magazine flourished. So how much would you expect to collect
> per issue ? Maybe one pound (if that) ? So your complete
> collection would fetch you, say, 50 or 60 Pounds. That kind of
> money may be sufficient for a couple of dinners/movies. Maybe
> you can watch a Wimbledon match (from earlier rounds only !).
>
> I do not visit hamaraforums website, but I have no doubt that you
> have posted numerous rare songs and provided rare photographs etc.
> But still.........
I have never met Jamal in person but known him over email for almost
10 years now. I have been the fortunate and grateful recipient of his
generosity several times in this period. A stray request posted by me
for a Noor Jehan song on this forum brought from Jamal not just the
song I wanted but three tapes filled with rare Noor Jehan songs. All
this done at his own initiative and at his own cost (not just copying
the tapes but sending them to me from the UK to where I then was in
the USA) with my offer of reimbursing any costs brushed aside saying
that he was happy to share his music with fellow fans of the singer.
His contribution to the Noor Jehan RMIM commemorative CD has been
substantial. His generous sharing of his collection on Hamara Forum -
online and offline - has been a boon for several lovers of Pakistani
film music. Again, this is out of a desire to share what he has and
for any return.
This is the person you choose to instruct on what he should sell and
what he should donate? I found your first post presumptuous; your
second one is worse than presumptuous: it is intrusive and offensive.
What gives you the right to decide what sum of money is important for
someone else? What gives you the right to lecture Jamal on what he
should do with his possessions? It is a testimony to Jamal's
gentlemanliness that he did not tell you to mind your own business.
Even granting that your original suggestion might have some merit, it
would have been more seemly for you to have sent it to Jamal by email
rather than posting your sermon on a public forum and forcing him to
respond as he has. That you chose, even after his response, to persist
with your sermonising is beyond comprehension.
I think you owe Jamal an apology.
Warm regards,
Abhay
Abhay Phadnis
(snip)
> I have never met Jamal in person but known him over email for almost
> 10 years now. I have been the fortunate and grateful recipient of his
> generosity several times in this period. A stray request posted by me
> for a Noor Jehan song on this forum brought from Jamal not just the
> song I wanted but three tapes filled with rare Noor Jehan songs. All
> this done at his own initiative and at his own cost (not just copying
> the tapes but sending them to me from the UK to where I then was in
> the USA) with my offer of reimbursing any costs brushed aside saying
> that he was happy to share his music with fellow fans of the singer.
> His contribution to the Noor Jehan RMIM commemorative CD has been
> substantial. His generous sharing of his collection on Hamara Forum -
> online and offline - has been a boon for several lovers of Pakistani
> film music. Again, this is out of a desire to share what he has and
> for any return.
That last line should read "...and *not* for any return." My apologies
for the typo.
Warm regards,
Abhay
Inaam
Very well said,Abhay!. Jaml is a very generous gentleman. He has
contributed a lot at HF, and personally I know that he has sent so
many valuable videos and rare audio CDs as a gift to many friends. (I
am one of them).
Neha Desai
>
> > jamalf.ak...@googlemail.com wrote:
> > > Hi all,
>
> > > I have a number of Film India magazines in good condition ranging from
> > > 1948 to 1954. Would anyone be interested in buying any? I can give a
> > > full list of magazines I have if you're interested. I am based in the
> > > UK and can post out the magazines anyway in the world.
>
Jamal Saahib,
I have great interest in movies and music of yesteryears.
I sent you an email. I hope you will reply.
Thanks,
Neha
Sukesh
But why should the magazines be donated to University of California or any
other body outside India? There are enough reputed private colleges and
institutions who would be happy to receive and preserve them.
If it has to remain in private hands, that is another matter.
Regards
Sukesh
UVR
> What Mr. Jamal does with his collection is entirely his personal business.
>
Yes, of course. But are you, in principle, against a group of us
banding
together to purchase the collection (if, indeed, that is what ends up
happening)?
> But why should the magazines be donated to University of California or any
> other body outside India? There are enough reputed private colleges and
> institutions who would be happy to receive and preserve them.
I said "(or another)". That you have chosen to ignore it is enough to
show me that I need not answer the above question.
> If it has to remain in private hands, that is another matter.
-UVR.
Shalini
"Abhay Phadnis" <apha...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Well said, Abhay and bravo to you for actually having the courage to say it.
Shalini
> Warm regards,
> Abhay
>
Ritu
> "Abhay Phadnis" <aphad...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I second Shalini on that... what Mr Jamaal does with his collection is
his business and he should be allowed to do so without making him feel
guilty about it. Kudos Abhay for standing up for that.
Having said that.. Afzal saab's idea of pooling in resources and
getting it to Professor saab's site is a good one. I would be willing
to pool into the effort.
Regards,
Ritu
jamalf...@googlemail.com
Thanks for your support Abhay and Inaam bhai. It was very much
appreciated. As for Afzal sahib, really no offence was taken, I was a
little taken aback but no harm done. As Ritu pointed out I can see the
good intention behind Afzal Sahib's email so really no need for an
apology. He is more senior than me and an apology would really make me
feel bad.
As for the magazines - I have 16 in my possession and have emailed the
interested parties (wasn't expecting so many people to be interested).
I will compile a list of issue dates and price. As I said in my email
- I'm not quite sure how this will work now as I would like to be fair
with everybody who has shown an interest. I'm hoping something will
work out.
Thanks
Jamal
surjit singh
Great! It looks like one way or the other, RMIMers will have access to
this material. may need help in scanning, but will be happy to host it
on my wbsite.
Continue to be extremely busy, so look forward to more stuff fron
collectors! After Hyderabad, perhaps Indore :)
> Thanks
> Jamal
Tushar Samant
Sorry, I am changing the subject here ... Is it possible to
obtain this CD? If so, how? I searched on google groups but
didn't get anything specific ...
Ketan
>I second Shalini on that... what Mr Jamaal does with his collection is
>his business and he should be allowed to do so without making him feel
>guilty about it. Kudos Abhay for standing up for that.
Ritu,
RMIM should be proud to have fine ladies like you and Shalini around. The kind
who are usually found in the streets of India, soon after an autorickshaw has
unsuccesfully tried to go through a car instead of around it, and are found
screaming "maaro", "peeto" at no one in particular.
As for Abhay, Afzalsaab's over the line comments could have been responded to by
a little less "over the top reaction". I haven't seen you defend Jayraman this
vociferously when others were attacking him for using RMIM to peddle his wares.
I don't know Jamalsaab from Adam, and while I have the highest regard for him
and the greatest sympathies for his situation, I wish he had exercised more
restraint in revealing his financial conditions on a PUBLIC forum where people
might be tempted to pass many comments. Maybe an off-line email to Afzalsaab
explaining his needs could have had better results. Afzalsaab's comments may
have been injudicious but I doubt they were malicious. He seems to have gotten
carried away by the desire to obtain the magazines for the sake of RMIM, rather
than any for personal gain. Hence his suggestion later on (after the injudicious
comment) to post them on Surjitji's site and asking Jamalsaab to set a target
price. Did you even notice it or were you all so caught up with a few comments
that you decided to ignore the rest of the post? And what's so wrong with the
suggestion? Isn't that what people have been asking, begging, pleading,
demanding and ordering Jayraman to do for eons now? Why isn't it considered
intrusive, presumptuous and offensive to tell Jayraman what he should do with
his possessions? Ok so Afzalsaab put his foot in his mouth. We have all done
that at some point or the other. Atleast his heart's in the right place and he
is trying to do something for RMIM. I doubt that calls for recommending the
French cure for a headache--the guillotine.
Now can we all go back to our respective corners for the next round?
Ketan
Abhay Phadnis
> In article <1178815207.371497.269...@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, Ritu says...
I ignored Afzal-saab's first post even though I thought it was a
message that could have been better communicated in an email. What
made me see red - and still makes me angry - is his follow-up to
Jamal's response: I stand by every word I wrote about that second
post. I did *not* impute malice to Afzal-saab - I imputed presumption
and insensitivity. I did not comment on his suggestion about RMIMers
banding together to buy the stuff because that was a suggestion to
others on RMIM and was thus not relevant to the thrust of my post. I
consider Jamal a friend and did what I thought was right.
You may have missed it, but I *have* stood up even for Jayaraman -
whom I don't know from Adam - when I felt others were being
unreasonable in their criticism of him. The last time I can remember
doing so was around last year's RMIM Meet - check it out for yourself.
That said, I do not claim to be a crusader against every unreasonable
post I see here: not only would I then be treating this as a day job,
I would also have to take up cudgels against some (very few, I hope!)
of my own posts.
Warm regards,
Abhay
Narsingh
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Hi folks,
I am willing to put up some money towards the purchase of these
magazines, to be housed with Surjit Singh. Hopefully, these will be
scanned and made available on his site. Count me in for one hundred
dollars.
Narsingh
kcp
> I am of course aware that, even in the forties, the above magazine
> was highly priced (and prized). It had a select clientele. I
> recall buying it for one rupee per issue. And there are quite a
> few issues (some dating back to 1942 and 1943) lying around in my
> house back in India.
>
> I would request other RMIMers also to please furnish their opinion
> in regard to Mr. Jamal's proposal.
>
What would be the value of one rupee of the late forties - today ?
also I would add the expenses ( ofcourse - this is just an approximate
value ) which Mr Jamal or his father might have taken for preserving
the magazines for these many years. a little bit of margin on that and
there you are !!
I am willing to buy all/few magazines depending on the value Mr Jamal
quotes.
If there is a possibility of pooling money by RMIM then I am open to
that option too...and ready to share the website hosting charges
KCP
Sukesh
Regards
Sukesh
Tushar Samant
> Today's equivalent of Re 1/- in the 40s is roughly Rs 170/-
What's the equivalent of that in London? :-)
surjit singh
Mr. Jamal Akbar has sent me 4 sample pages and has quoted a price. I
have decided not to go for it. However, my offer to host the scans on
my website still stands.
>
> Thanks
> Jamal
Niketan
Regards
Niketan
Parry
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Yes it can be donated to Pune Film Institute's Archives section for
general public, after digitising for Dr.Singh's website.
Gurcharan S Sandhu
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Be advised that Pune Film Institute has already got the 'entire'
set, donated by Baburao Patel. The are in very good condition
and bound in volumes comprising 6 magazines each.
Regards
Gurcharan
khetan...@gmail.com
> Hi all,
>
> I have a number of Film India magazines in good condition ranging from
> 1948 to 1954. Would anyone be interested in buying any? I can give a
> full list of magazines I have if you're interested. I am based in the
> UK and can post out the magazines anyway in the world.
>
> Jamal
My dear,
i am interested to buy these magazines film india . will you guide me how i will et
Thanks
suresh khetan
+91 9820036750
khetan...@yahoo.com