FALLEN ANGELS streaming on NPR

[Janice]

The new album FALLEN ANGELS is streaming all the tracks on NPR -

http://www.npr.org/2016/05/12/477069552/first-listen-bob-dylan-fallen-angels


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[Rachel]

I have this book, Growing Up, by Russell Baker, which I read.

For some reason, I associate it with Lake Wobegon, or Prairie Home Companion, or Garrison Keillor, or NPR. And for the life of me, I don't know, and can't find any kind of confirmation of WHY, on google. Like maybe it was mentioned or something? And if I am wrong, can anyone figure out why in the world I may have (mistakenly) thought this???

anyone? (it's probably a mistake on my part!)

[chris]

Thanks for the link! I only tried Old Black Magic and the polka dot song. I'll wait for the rest. Such a different path.

[Janice]

On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 3:09:57 PM UTC-7, Janice wrote:

> The new album FALLEN ANGELS is streaming all the tracks on NPR -
>
> http://www.npr.org/2016/05/12/477069552/first-listen-bob-dylan-fallen-angels

Hey, is that a ukulele I hear in All Or Nothing At All?


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Etta James The Very Thought of You
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[Willie]

On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 6:57:36 PM UTC-4, Janice wrote:
> Hey, is that a ukulele I hear in All Or Nothing At All?

Seems to be. Thanks for posting the link. Delightful stuff. Much of it drives me to other versions, like Louis Prima and Keely Smith for Old Black Magic, and Jimmy Durante (since I was reminded of that version) for Young at Heart). This, paired with Shadows in the Night are like Linda Rondstadt's trilogy with Nelson Riddle in the 80's (pointed out elsewhere, I'm sure). Will, you'll be delighted to hear that he's next doing an album of German Lieder.

[Dr_dudley]

well don't that beat all?

[Rachel]

they were talking about npr and possibly the show itself (in aapc, the other group i now frequent), and someone wrote about growing up, probably a coincidence, but all these things couldn't help me to think about it, ykwim...

[Will Dockery]

On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 6:47:33 PM UTC-4, chris wrote:
> Thanks for the link! I only tried Old Black Magic and the polka dot song. I'll wait for the rest. Such a different path.

And we thought Nashville Skyline was "out there".

:)

[gj]

I just can't get into it. But it doesn't suck, and his voice sounds
pretty fair. It didn't help that I gave BoB a rare listen this
morning before listening to this. This is novelty crap compared to
that. I'm guessing he just wants his name on a bunch of old
standards, so that maybe in the far future people will think he wrote
them. More of his love and theft in a kinda-sorta way. I can't
imagine ever wanting to hear any of this twice.

-GJ 2.1

[Will Dockery]

Sorry to report that I have to agree, andf agreed since the last album. Listened to that one once on the ride back from Auburn Alabama (it was so short it barely last the 30 minutes or son that the drive from there took, then gave it to my friend Robbie after he fixed my brakes for me that night.

I figured I'd buy another one but so far haven't felt the desire for one.

[Just Walkin']

On Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 4:58:41 PM UTC-5, Gemini Jackson wrote:
> On Wed, 18 May 2016 09:19:35 -0700 (PDT), Will Dockery
>

> >On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 6:47:33 PM UTC-4, chris wrote:
> >> Thanks for the link! I only tried Old Black Magic and the polka dot song. I'll wait for the rest. Such a different path.
> >
> >And we thought Nashville Skyline was "out there".
>
> I just can't get into it. But it doesn't suck, and his voice sounds
> pretty fair. It didn't help that I gave BoB a rare listen this
> morning before listening to this. This is novelty crap compared to
> that. I'm guessing he just wants his name on a bunch of old
> standards, so that maybe in the far future people will think he wrote
> them. More of his love and theft in a kinda-sorta way. I can't
> imagine ever wanting to hear any of this twice.
>
> -GJ 2.1

I guess that's what happens when you outlive the historic importance of your own songs and still want to stay in the business; you become a cover artist.

Sure beats becoming a nostalgia act at the state fair.

[gj]

Does he still own that castle? I hear they're not cheap. A man like
Bob requires a castle.

>Sure beats becoming a nostalgia act at the state fair.

But it's still nostalgia music, only he's doing what's nostalgia to
him. But hey, I'm glad he out and about. We've lost some great ones
this year. Maybe anything is better than nothing.

-GJ 2.1

[Rachel]

THAT'S THE *ONE* THING I DON'T HAVE IN MY FREEZER, AND YOU MADE ME WANT ONE FOR DINNER!!!!!!!!! ARRRRRRRRRRG!!!!!!!!!! (i could walk to gelson's, i'm just scared about my knee, and the skin scraped off the top of my foot from my crocs) AND WHEN I TYPED IN STATE FAIR TO FIND THIS POST, A HOT DOG COMMERCIAL (HEBREW NATIONAL) CAME ON MSNBC.

THIS POST IS NOT A JOKE OR A METAPHOR.

[Rachel]

actually, they don't really carry state farm corn dogs anymore, but it's kinda like kleenex, or kotex, (which i don't use), but i that's sort of what i call corn dogs. i think they're chicken foster farms now.

hey, i COULD order from yummy. but they have a hefty minimum, and that's the only thing i want.

[Rachel]

actually, i don't have lobster ravioli from trader joe's either. it's on my trader joe's list for when i think i can/should/am able to get them. (i might eat the whole thing. :-//// )

those are very good, too...

[Rachel]

it's not that i can't have ff corn dogs, it's just, i went through a pack of them semi-recently, and then a pack of applegate hot dogs, so i was just taking a break.

the lobster ravioli are hard to keep around... :-///

hey i have sweet potato fries in my freezer! that's a big surprise! that i can keep them!

[M. Rick]

On Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 4:30:51 PM UTC-7, Gemini Jackson wrote:
> Does he still own that castle? I hear they're not cheap. A man like Bob requires a castle.

Dracula had a nice castle. A little drafty.

[Rachel]

hey, wanna hear something SHOCKING?!?!? i don't remember how or why this could have been true, but i know when i was STARVING myself through bulimia, i couldn't even keep MAYONNAISE in the house/fridge!!!!!! g-d only knows how or why i could have eaten it, and with WHAT!!!! GROSS, huh!?!?!?

i have it now. :-) (just recently) (eat it with my sweet potato fries. that and ketchup, mixed. :-) ) (even finally went and bought a medium jar, as opposed to keeping left-over little what d'ya call 'em? those little tiny side cups with tops from delivery, usually from sweet potato fries, that for quite a while now. but i'm just so proud of myself. i kinda have a semi-"normal" kitchen, with my very own normal condiment jar of MAYONNAISE, but still, very ascetic, very strict, no goodies, no carbs...and when i think i can, and buy them, i'm wrong, and f*ck up, and eat the whole box or whatever of whatever it was that very night. :-((( occasionally, it manages to last for a little while....)(i know this sounds weird and crazy and inconsistent, but i've had butter forever. i guess it was just that thought in my mind, that mayonnaise is "very bad.")(butter was kept mostly for binges, and occasional treat if i had something as a treat that could use butter.)

[gj]

On Thu, 19 May 2016 07:57:46 -0700 (PDT), Rachel <rach...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>hey, wanna hear something SHOCKING?!?!? i don't remember how or why this could have been true, but i know when i was STARVING myself through bulimia, i couldn't even keep MAYONNAISE in the house/fridge!!!!!! g-d only knows how or why i could have eaten it, and with WHAT!!!! GROSS, huh!?!?!?

mayonnaise is the most vile food I can think of.

-GJ 2.1

[Rachel]

i used to think that, too. because of my brother! he made something, when i was in third grade (library) and there was SO MUCH MAYONNAISE, it made me SICK. SICK SICK SICK SICK SICK SICK SICK.

i didn't eat it again, until much much much much much much later. let's see.....belgium fries....but then not in high school, either, not even at hoagie haven, discovered later, i got the twelve, the cheese one, not with mayo, but the oil and vinegar dressing. delicious!

i don't even remember when i started again. more recently, maybe la????

it was all because of my brother!!!!

[Janice]

On Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 4:30:51 PM UTC-7, Gemini Jackson wrote:

...

> >I guess that's what happens when you outlive the historic importance of your own songs and still want to stay in the business; you become a cover artist.

. . .

> >Sure beats becoming a nostalgia act at the state fair.
.
> But it's still nostalgia music, only he's doing what's nostalgia to
> him. But hey, I'm glad he out and about. We've lost some great ones
> this year. Maybe anything is better than nothing.

I'm kind of discouraged by these comments, because this "nostalgia music" is so much more sophisticated than anyone seems to be aware of. Bob has never been stupid about the music he makes - quite the opposite. Keeping his whole career in mind, there's never been a time when the music itself hasn't improved. Even the 80s had its good moments. I've always had the sense that Bob was a perfectionist, whether with his music or with his version of other music. I don't see why that should suddenly stop.

What does change is people's understanding of what Bob's up to. For instance, he'll make an album everybody hates, and then 2 years later, or 10 years later, or whatever, suddenly its genius is discovered. It happens time and time again. He changes people, and music. It will be interesting to see how these last two albums are viewed a decade from now.


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[Will Dockery]

I put them with Self Portrait, "1973 Dylan" and the two folkie covers albums of the 1990s... okay enough, but not what I come to Dylan for, and have for over 40 years.

Hopefully there will be another album of original songs from Bob Dylan one day soon, which is really what he's always been about to me, from the start.

[Just Walkin']

The music business has been stagnant for years. Recycled product is hardly an inspiration. Now all that's left is the fan's affinity for the artist's charisma and the nostalgia of fading memories registered as sales. Change is and has always been but a fantasy for those captivated by the sound; a fleeting promise of something more that never materializes, mobilizes or motivates.

Aye, the sing-a-long has been dead for quite a while.

[gj]

Yes, I now see 'froggy went a-courting' for the genius that it was.

-GJ 2.1

[Rachel]

On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 10:51:52 PM UTC-7, Dr_dudley wrote:
> well don't that beat all?

hi doodles! (i'm not sure what you are referring to here? ??? which post?? what beats all??)(first thing that pops into my head is a piece or a part beats all. that's a different way to think! think different! oh well...... :-( ) (good-bye macintosh computer...good-bye hard drive by accident...good-bye all my work and writing...good-bye dreams...good-bye everything...good-bye afterlife...good-bye Heaven...good-bye adolf...good-bye elvis...good-bye................never mind. never say good-bye. not like that. i'm gonna need help. :-((( death is so sad. it's too awful. it's just too awful, isn't it? or am i being juvenile, like my mother says?)

i wanted to tell you this a long time ago, but i didn't wanna hurt your feelings, or be inappropriate or anything. but maybe it's okay now....i'm not sure...

the day after you posted about your mommy...

i was taking a walk, on fountain, and a car went by with the license plate (i don't consciously watch them much at all, and when i do, nothing happens, like waiting for a pot to boil, or toast to pop up, or l'eggo's, or whatever other crap you are putting in there. (pop tarts, those are good, actually... every now and then... :-///// but very bad! :)? )(i like the sinoman one)(or is that sinnerman, or what?)(or sinoemen?) ANYWAY...

so the license plate (as best as i can recall) said MOMMONY.

i thought of you.

just a little story for grandpa doodles! :-)

[Willie]

On Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 7:55:43 PM UTC-4, Janice wrote:

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> What does change is people's understanding of what Bob's up to.
> For instance, he'll make an album everybody hates, and then
> 2 years later, or 10 years later, or whatever, suddenly its
> genius is discovered. It happens time and time again.
> He changes people, and music. It will be interesting to
> see how these last two albums are viewed a decade from now.

I'm not sure I agree that Bob is ahead of the curve and it takes repeated listening, even years of them, for the music to take hold. I can't think of a record where, for me, that happened. But I definitely agree that these two albums are gems. But that's probably because I love those songs by their original artists, and some were even new to me. And as you wrote about the first one, Janice, he brings an immediacy (intimacy?) to them.

I think gone are the days when we get albums that are great in their entirety. Can anyone think of one is recent years that they put on and listen to all the way through (after the first time or two, of course). I've liked particular songs on Bob's albums since John Wesley Harding, but that's probably the last one I played repeatedly in its entirety (and that includes Blood On the Tracks).

But these last two are good throughout, I think, and that's because he had an entire genre to pick from. And as we know from Theme Time Radio, the man has superb taste and knowledge of music of many kinds.

[Rachel]

oops! typo! sinomen for the last one! :-////////////

[Rachel]

yeah, i thought it was froggie.

are yo mentally ill?!?!??!?

[gj]

It probably am.

I probably is.

-GJ 2.1

[Rachel]

ya *think*?!?!?!

[Just Walkin']

To me, it sounds like he's said all he has to say.

At least on these two albums he's not repeating himself.

[JD Chase]

Really wish that Bob would cover more contemporary material... Or at least songs that were more creative, imaginative, ambiguous, surreal, hallucinatory etc...

[Just Walkin']

On Friday, May 20, 2016 at 4:12:21 PM UTC-5, JD Chase wrote:
> Really wish that Bob would cover more contemporary material... Or at least songs that were more creative, imaginative, ambiguous, surreal, hallucinatory etc...

With the wholesale conversion of anti-war boomers into supporters of the biggest hawk in a generation simply to keep a nascent fascist threat out of the White House, I now wonder what it is that Bob Dylan actually accomplished in his time as "voice of a generation" and leading songwriter of his era. Isn't he every bit a part of what we've become?

[JD Chase]

It is rather sad and pathetic, isn't it? Bernie would represent true progress... But there is a bright side to this... All hope is not lost. Bernie HAS already accomplished quite a bit... He has inspired a LOT of people and introduced important progressive views to millions of people, including the idea that being a "socialist" is NOT a bad thing... Hopefully, Bernie will start a petition grew dive movement after November, no matter what happens...

[Will Dockery]

On Friday, May 20, 2016 at 5:12:21 PM UTC-4, JD Chase wrote:
> Really wish that Bob would cover more contemporary material... Or at least songs that were more creative, imaginative, ambiguous, surreal, hallucinatory etc...

Have you listened to the recent Leonard Cohen album?

I heard several cuts from it the other night, and it really sounds good, all original material from a fellow poet even older than Dylan, I forget the exact age he is, but Cohen is in his 80s.

Bob Dylan may have some new stuff for us yet, there's still plenty of time...

:)

[Rachel]

THERE IS *NOT* PLENTY OF TIME. HE'S SEVENTY-FOUR YEARS OLD AND HE SMOKES AND TAKES MORPHINE.

THIS ISN'T FUNNY ANYMORE. IT NEVER REALLY WAS.

THE_END.

[JD Chase]

Thanks Will! As a huge LC fan, I can't believe I haven't heard it yet! Will give it a listen soon... ☺️

[Will Dockery]

It took me a while to hear it, also... Robert Wright, guitarist in my band, sat me down and played some of it for me the other night, after telling me for several weeks that I needed to hear it.

He was correct.

:)

[Just Kidding]

On Thu, 19 May 2016 12:28:32 -0400, gj <geminij...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

So I guess you don't like potato salad?

[Rachel]

i always liked potato salad (in small doses). the mayo is so mixed in and up with other flavors and food stuffs, it's kinda a new thing...

like the way eggplant absorbs the flavors of the foods you cook it with. can't stand it plain.

but this woman, a friend of my mom, i forget where she was from, but she made two different eggplant dishes that were out of this world. i always regret that i never got the recipe, or know who she was, to find out.

btw, i swear to g-d, i think this was on the outing from the hospital (horsham), where i listened to dylan on my walkman lying on the grass in the sun, and it wasn't painful. "it was just music," as i reported back in my paperwork i had to fill out, upon my return. i'm not sure, though. that eggplant thing in the park with a lake i believe, near the edge of it, may have been an outing while we were staying at the cabin.

but the dylan thing was definitely in a similar type situation, in a big park, with a lake, and grass, and picnic table, slt, lying in the sun, slt.

i may be conflating two very similar settings both on a warm pleasant day.

[Just Kidding]

More exaggeration and generalization. What is it that "we" have
become? Ae "we" all the same to you?

[Janice]

On Monday, May 23, 2016 at 9:28:29 AM UTC-7, Just Kidding wrote:
> On Fri, 20 May 2016 15:24:40 -0700 (PDT), "Just Walkin'"

.

> >With the wholesale conversion of anti-war boomers into supporters of the biggest hawk in a generation simply to keep a nascent fascist threat out of the White House, I now wonder what it is that Bob Dylan actually accomplished in his time as "voice of a generation" and leading songwriter of his era. Isn't he every bit a part of what we've become?

.

> More exaggeration and generalization. What is it that "we" have
> become? Ae "we" all the same to you?

Well, JW is a perennial pessimist and resident rmd cynic. I think the best recipe for what ails you, JW, is to scoop up the one you love and dance your way through Fallen Angels...

Actually, everybody should grab their sweethearts and dance... a sure remedy for hearts of stone.

Good reviews for the album since this weekend's release -

Bob Dylan's Fallen Angels Receives Critical Raves
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/bob-dylans-fallen-angels-receives-critical-raves-300273124.html

Review: Bob Dylan returns to the Great American Songbook in 'Fallen Angels'
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/la-et-ms-bob-dylan-fallen-angels-review-20160517-snap-story.html


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Heaven, I'm in heaven
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOYzFKizikU

[Just Walkin']

On Monday, May 23, 2016 at 11:28:29 AM UTC-5, Just Kidding wrote:
> On Fri, 20 May 2016 15:24:40 -0700 (PDT), "Just Walkin'"

>

> >On Friday, May 20, 2016 at 4:12:21 PM UTC-5, JD Chase wrote:
> >> Really wish that Bob would cover more contemporary material... Or at least songs that were more creative, imaginative, ambiguous, surreal, hallucinatory etc...
> >
> >With the wholesale conversion of anti-war boomers into supporters of the biggest hawk in a generation simply to keep a nascent fascist threat out of the White House, I now wonder what it is that Bob Dylan actually accomplished in his time as "voice of a generation" and leading songwriter of his era. Isn't he every bit a part of what we've become?
>
> More exaggeration and generalization. What is it that "we" have
> become? Ae "we" all the same to you?

What we have become...as a nation. Are you excluding yourself?

[Will Dockery]

On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 6:09:57 PM UTC-4, Janice wrote:
> The new album FALLEN ANGELS is streaming all the tracks on NPR -
>
> http://www.npr.org/2016/05/12/477069552/first-listen-bob-dylan-fallen-angels
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Reposted from elsewhere:

With Fallen Angels due any moment now (I'm knee-jerk with new Dylan albums, since Planet Waves and "1973 Dylan", I've bought the new albums as soon as possible, and doubt I'll ever change that habit) I decided to put on my favorite Sinatra record, or more accurately, a favorite of mine from his proto-Wilburys team, the Rat Pack... and man, that disc grooves with swinging, Beat-like abandon...

Opening drum roll... and Dean Martin kicks the show off with a rapid fire medley and ongoing monologue/comedy routine, and is soon joined by Frank Sinatra and Sammy Davis Jr. singing the now Dylanesque standards, any and all of which could very well become a part of the Bob Dylan cannon, circa 2016.

Really enjoyable stuff, and I can see why Dylan loves it, really.

:D

[Just Kidding]

You forgot the other part of the question -- what is it that "we" have
become? Is the nation so homogeneous that we've all become the same
thing?

[Just Walkin']

On Monday, May 23, 2016 at 4:52:24 PM UTC-5, Just Kidding wrote:
> On Mon, 23 May 2016 11:18:33 -0700 (PDT), "Just Walkin'"

>

The answer is "yes." What is the point in defining each others' differences by the products we use?

[Just Kidding]

Speak for yourself, please.