Linda Ronstadt is a big fat communist cow*************

[pwalsh67]

She's the female version of michael moore. Like him, she's probably
cheering at each beheading. What is up with all these big fat liberal
traitors nowadays? It used to be just jane fonda, but now it's big fat
slobs like michael moore, linda ronstadt, ted "killer" kennedy, etc.
The liberals did nothing when the USS Cole got bombed, or when the WTC
was bombed and now they are mad at Bush for fighting back!!!

[Brett Dale]

pwal...@hotmail.com (pwalsh67) wrote in message news:<b0085f1f.04072...@posting.google.com>...

Factual Back-Up For Fahrenheit 9/11: Section One

Section One covers the facts in Fahrenheit 9/11 from the 2000 election
to George W. Bush's extended visit to Booker Elementary on the morning
of September 11th.

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: Fox was the first network to call Florida for Bush.
Before that, some other networks had called Florida for Gore, and they
changed after Fox called it for Bush.

"With information provided from the Voter News Service, NBC was the
first network to project Gore the winner in Florida at 7:48 pm. At
7:50 pm ,CNN and CBS project Gore the winner in Florida as well." By
8:02 pm , all five networks and the Associated Press had called Gore
the winner in Florida. Even the VNS called Gore the winner at 7:52 pm.
At 2:16 am, Fox calls Florida for Bush, NBC follows at 2:16 am. ABC is
the last network to call the Florida for Bush, at 2:20 am, while AP
and VNS never call Florida for Bush. CNN:
http://www.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/stories/02/02/cnn.report/cnn.pdf

Ten minutes after the top of the hour, network excitement was again
beginning to build. At 2:16 a.m., the call was made: Fox News Channel,
with Bush's first cousin John Ellis running its election desk, was the
first to project Florida -- and the presidency -- for the Texas
governor. Within minutes, the other networks followed suit. "George
Bush, Governor of Texas will become the 43rd President of the United
States," CNN's Bernard Shaw announced atop a graphic montage of a
smiling Bush. "At 18 minutes past two o'clock Eastern time, CNN
declares that George Walker Bush has won Florida's 25 electoral votes
and this should put him over the top."PBS:
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/media/election2000/election_night.html

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: The man who was in charge of the decision desk at FOX
on election night was Bush's first cousin, John Ellis.
"John Ellis, a first cousin of George W. Bush, ran the network's
Ĺdecision desk' during the 2000 election, and Fox was the first to
name Bush the winner. Earlier, Ellis had made six phone calls to
Cousin Bush during the vote-counting." William O'Rourke, "Talk Radio
Key to GOP Victory," Chicago Sun-Times, December 3, 2002.

A Fox News consultant, John Ellis, who made judgments about
presidential Ĺcalls' on Election Night admits he was in touch with
George W. Bush and FL Gov. Jeb Bush by telephone several times during
the night, but denies breaking any rules. CNN, November 14, 2000;
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000/11/14/politics/main249357.shtml.

John Ellis, the Fox consultant who called Florida early for George
Bush, had to stop writing about the campaign for the Boston Globe
because of family Ĺloyalty' to Bush. CBS News,
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000/11/14/politics/main249357.shtml,
November 14, 2000.

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: "Make sure the chairman of your campaign is also the
vote countin' woman and that her state has hired a company that's
gonna knock voters off the rolls who aren't likely to vote for you.
You can usually tell them by the color of their skin."

"The vote total was certified by Florida's secretary of state,
Katherine Harris, head of the Bush campaign in Florida, on behalf of
Gov. Jeb Bush, the candidate's brother." Mark Zoller Seitz, "Bush Team
Conveyed an Air of Legitimacy," San Diego Union-Tribune, December 16,
2000.

The Florida Department of State awarded a $4 million contract to the
Boca Raton-based Database Technologies Inc. (subsidiary of
ChoicePoint). They were tasked with finding improperly registered
voters in the state's database, but mistakes were rampant. "At one
point, the list included as felons 8,000 former Texas residents who
had been convicted of misdemeanors." St. Petersburg Times (Florida),
December 21, 2003.

Database Technologies, a subsidiary of ChoicePoint, "was responsible
for bungling an overhaul of Florida's voter registration records, with
the result that thousands of people, disproportionately black, were
disenfranchised in the 2000 election. Had they been able to vote,
they might have swung the state, and thus the presidency, for Al Gore,
who lost in Florida. Oliver Burkeman, Jo Tuckman, "Firm in Florida
Election Fiasco Earns Millions from Files on Foreigners," The
Guardian, May 5, 2003
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,949709,00.html.

Atlanta-Journal-Constitution, May 28, 2001.
In 1997, Rick Rozar, the late head of the company bought by
ChoicePoint, donated $100,000 to the Republican National Committee.
Melanie Eversley, "Atlanta-Based Company Says Errors in Felon Purge
Not Its Fault," Atlanta Journal-Constitution, May 28, 2001. Frank
Borman of Database Technologies Inc. has donated extensively to New
Mexico Republicans, as well as to the Presidential campaign of George
W. Bush. Opensecrets.org, "Frank Borman."

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: Gore got the most votes in 2000.
[A] consortium [Tribune Co., owner of the Times; Associated Press;
CNN; the New York Times; the Palm Beach Post; the St. Petersburg
Times; the Wall Street Journal; and the Washington Post] hired the
NORC [National Opinion Research Center, a nonpartisan research
organization affiliated with the University of Chicago] to view each
untallied ballot and gather information about how it was marked. The
media organizations then used computers to sort and tabulate votes,
based on varying scenarios that had been raised during the
post-election scramble in Florida. Under any standard that tabulated
all disputed votes statewide, Mr. Gore erased Mr. Bush's advantage and
emerged with a tiny lead that ranged from 42 to 171 votes. Donald
Lambro, "Recount Provides No Firm Answers," Washington Times, November
12, 2001.

"The review found that the result would have been different if every
canvassing board in every county had examined every undervote, a
situation that no election or court authority had ordered. Gore had
called for such a statewide manual recount if Bush would agree, but
Bush rejected the idea and there was no mechanism in place to conduct
one." Martin Merzer, "Review of Ballots Finds Bush's Win Would Have
Endured Manual Recount," Miami Herald, April 4, 2001.

See also, the following article by one of the Washington Post
journalists who ran the consortium recount. The relevant point is
made in Table I of the article.
http://www.aei.org/docLib/20040526_KeatingPaper.pdf

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: Congressional Black Caucus members tried to object to
the election outcome on the floor of the House; no Senator would sign
the objections.

"While Vice President Al Gore appeared to have accepted his fate
contained in two wooden ballot boxes, Democratic members of the
Congressional Black Caucus tried repeatedly to challenge the
assignment of Florida's 25 electoral votes to Bushů. More than a dozen
Democrats followed suit, seeking to force a debate on the validity of
Florida's vote on the grounds that all votes may not have been counted
and that some voters were wrongly denied the right to vote." Susan
Milligan, "It's Really Over: Gore Bows Out Gracefully," Boston Globe,
January 7, 2001.

The Congressional Black Caucus effort failed for "lack of the
necessary signature by any senator." Sen. Minority Leader Tom Daschle
(D-SD) had previously advised Democratic senators not to cooperate.
ĹThey did not.'" Robert Novak, "Sweeney Link Won't Help Chao," Chicago
Sun-Times, January 14, 2001.

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: "On the day George W. Bush was inaugurated, tens of
thousands of Americans poured into the streets of D.C. They pelted
Bush's limo with eggs."

"Shouting slogans like ĹHail to the Thief' and ĹSelected, Not
Elected,' tens of thousands of protesters descended on George W.
Bush's inaugural parade route yesterday to proclaim that he and Vice
President Dick Cheney had Ĺstolen' the election." Michael Kranish and
Sue Kirchhoff, "Thousands Protest ĹStolen' Election," Boston Globe,
January 21, 2001.
"Scuffles erupted between radicals and riot police while an egg struck
the bullet-proof presidential limousine as it carried Mr. Bush and
wife Laura to the White House." Damon Johnston, "Bush Pledges Justice
as Critics Throw Eggs," The Advertisers, January 22, 2001.
See also film footage.

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: "The inauguration parade was brought to a halt and
the traditional walk to the White House was scrapped."

Bush made one concession to the weather -- or to security concerns: He
stayed in his limousine nearly the entire length of the mile-long
inaugural parade, waving through a slightly foggy window. He got out
to walk only for a brief distance when his motorcade reached the VIP
grandstands in front of the Treasury Department and the White House.
Doyle McManus, et al., "Bush Vows to Bring Nation Together," Los
Angeles Times, January, 21, 2001.
Bush's limo, which traveled most of the route at a slow walking pace,
stopped dead just before it reached the corner of 14th St. and
Pennsylvania Ave., where most of the protesters had congregated. Then
it sped up dramatically, and Secret Service agents protecting the car
on foot had to follow at a full run. When they reached a section of
the parade route where the sidewalks were restricted to official
ticketholders, Bush and his wife, Laura, who wore a flattering
electric turquoise suit, got out of the limo to walk and greet
supporters. Helen Kennedy, "Bush Pledges a United US," New York Daily
News, January 21, 2001.

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: "For the next eight months, it didn't get any better
for George W. Bush."

In a poll conducted September 5 to September 9, 2001, Investor's
Business Daily and the Christian Science Monitor showed President
Bush's approval rating at 45%, down from 52% in May ( Investor's
Business Daily/Christian Science Monitor Poll, conducted by TIPP, 9/5
to 9/9, 2001). Zogby's polling had Bush at 47% in late July 2001, down
from 57% in February (Zogby, 7/26 to 7/29, 2001).

In June 2001, a Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll showed President
Bush's approval rating at 50 percent, which was the lowest
presidential approval rating in five years. Richard L. Berke, "G.O.P.
Defends Bush in Face of Dip in Poll Ratings," The New York Times, June
29 2001

On July 26, 2001, in an article entitled "Bush Lacks the Ability To
Force Action on Hill," Dana Milbank of the Washington Post wrote, " It
may be premature to conclude that Bush has lost control of his agenda,
but lawmakers and strategists in both parties said that Bush's next
year is much more likely to look like the fractious month of July than
like the orderly march toward Bush's tax cut this spring.ů The
troubles began, of course, with Vermont Sen. James M. Jeffords'
departure from the GOP, giving control of the Senate to the Democrats.
But the problems are nearly as bad in the House, where moderates who
supported Bush's tax cut are proving recalcitrant on other issues.
They rebelled against GOP leaders on campaign finance reform and held
up Bush's "faith-based" legislation over concerns about
discrimination. Next week, they're likely to oppose Bush's proposal to
drill in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge."
California energy crisis also took a toll on Bush's approval ratings.
Due to rolling blackouts and rising utility bills Bush's ratings took
a toll among Californians. The poll showed that almost as many
Californians disapproved of the President's job as approved of it with
an approve/disapprove of 42/40. "Calif. Governor Says He'll Sue to
Force Government Action," The Houston Chronicle, May 30, 2001.

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: "In his first eight months in office before September
11, George W. Bush was on vacation, according to the Washington Post,
forty-two percent of the time."

"News coverage has pointedly stressed that W.'s month-long stay at his
ranch in Crawford is the longest presidential vacation in 32 years.
Washington Post supercomputers calculated that if you add up all his
weekends at Camp David, layovers at Kennebunkport and assorted to-ing
and fro-ing, W. will have spent 42 percent of his presidency Ĺat
vacation spots or en route.'" Charles Krauthammer, "A Vacation Bush
Deserves," The Washington Post, August 10, 2001.

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: Bush relaxes at Camp David, Kennebunkport and his
ranch in Crawford Texas.
As of April 2004, President Bush had made 33 trips to Crawford during
his presidency, bringing his total to more than 230 days at the ranch
in just over three years. "Add his 78 trips to Camp David and five to
his family's compound at Kennebunkport, Maine, and Bush has spent all
or part of 500 days ľ or about 40 percent of his presidency ľ at one
of these his three retreats." "Bush Retreats to a Favorite Getaway:
Crawford ranch," Houston Chronicle, April 11, 2004.

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: On Sept. 10, 2001 , Bush joined his brother in
Florida where he slept the night in "a bed made of fine French
linens."

Bush has not been bashful about visiting Florida, ground zero in the
vote-recount battle that followed last year's election. On this trip,
he was spending a good deal of time with his brother, Gov. Jeb Bush. "
President to Push Congress on Education in Fourth Florida Visit,"
Associated Press, September 10, 2001; See also, CNN Inside Politics,
September 10, 2001.
Two individuals prepared the president's room "and made the bed with
some of the family's fine French linens." Tom Bayles, "The Day Before
Everything Changed, President Bush Touched Locals' Lives," Sarasota
Herald-Tribune, September 10, 2002.
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: "As the attack took place, Mr. Bush was on his way
to an elementary school in Florida . When informed of the first plane
hitting the World Trade Center, where terrorists had struck just eight
years prior, Bush just decided to go ahead with his photo
opportunity."

NOTE: It should be emphasized that at the time Bush was notified of
the first plane attack, he (unlike the rest of America) was already
aware that Osama bin Laden was planning to attack America by hijacking
airplanes, per the August 6, 2001 Presidential Daily Brief (PDB). He
was also aware, of course, that the World Trade Center had been
historically a target for terrorist attacks. He nonetheless went ahead
with this photo opportunity in a school full of children.

"Mr. Bush arrived at the school, just before 9 am, expecting to be
met by its motherly principal, Gwen Rigell. Instead he was pulled
sharply aside by the familiar, bulky figure of 51-year-old Karl Rove,
a veteran political fixer and trusted aide of both Mr. Bush and his
father, George Sr. Mr. Rove, a fellow Texan with an expansive manner
and a colorful turn of phrase, told the President that a large
commercial airliner (American Flight 11) had crashed into the North
Tower of the World Trade Centre . Mr. Bush clenched his teeth, lowered
his bottom lip and said something inaudible. Then he went into the
school." William Langley, "Revealed: What Really Went on During
Bush's ĹMissing Hours,'" The Telegraph, December 16, 2001.

"The airborne attack on the World Trade Center was at least the second
terrorist attempt to topple the landmarks. In 1993, terrorists sought
to bomb one building so that it would explode and fall into the other.
The plot did not succeed, but six people were killed and more than
1,000 injured." Cragg Hines, "Terrorists Strike from Air; Jetliners
Slam into Pentagon, Trade Center" The Houston Chronicle, September 11,
2001.

August 6, 2001 Presidential Daily Brief (PDB), "Bin Ladin Determined
to Strike Inside US": "Al-Qa'ida members -- including some who are US
citizens -- have resided in or traveled to the US for years, and the
group apparently maintains a support structure that could aid attacksů
FBI information since that time indicates patterns of suspicious
activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings
or other types of attacks, including recent surveillance of federal
buildings in New York." August 6, 2001, Bin Ladin Determined to Strike
Inside US, http://www.cnn.com/2004/images/04/10/whitehouse.pdf

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: "When the second plane hit the tower, his chief of
staff entered the classroom and told Mr. Bush the nation is under
attack."

"At 9:05 a.m., the White House chief of staff, Andrew H. Card Jr.,
stepped into the classroom and whispered into the president's right
ear, ĹA second plane hit the other tower, and America's under
attack.'" David E. Sanger and Don Van Natta Jr., "After The Attacks:
The Events; In Four Days, A National Crisis Changes Bush's
Presidency," The New York Times, September 16, 2001.

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: "Mr. Bush just sat there and continued to read My Pet
Goat."

"It was while attending a second-grade reading class at Emma E. Booker
Elementary School in Sarasota, Fla., to promote his education reforms
that President Bush learned America was under attack. In the presence
of her VIP guest, teacher Sandra Kay Daniels, 45, conducted the day's
lesson, which centered on a story about a pet goat." "9/11: A Year
After," Los Angeles Times, September 11, 2002.

President Bush listened to 18 Booker Elementary School second-graders
read a story about a girl's pet goat Tuesday before he spoke briefly
and somberly about the terrorist attacks. "Bush hears of attack while
visiting Booker," Sarasota Herald-Tribune, September 12, 2001.
See also film footage.

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: "Nearly seven minutes passed with nobody doing
anything."

"[H]e lingered in the room for another six minutes [after being
informed of the second plane]ů [At] 9:12, he abruptly retreated,
speaking to Mr. Cheney and New York officials." David E. Sanger and
Don Van Natta Jr., "After The Attacks: The Events;In Four Days, A
National Crisis Changes Bush's Presidency," The New York Times,
September 16, 2001 .

"Mr. Bush remained in the elementary school for nearly a half an hour
after Andy Card whispered in his ear." Michael Kranish, "Bush: US To
Hunt Down Attackers," Boston Globe, September 11, 2001.

Factual Back-Up for Fahrenheit 9/11: Section Two

Section Two covers the facts in Fahrenheit 9/11 from Bush's failure to
meet with Richard Clarke, to the August 6th memo, and ends with the
Saudi flights out of the US after 9/11.

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: "Should he have held at least one meeting since
taking office to discuss the threat of terrorism with his head of
counterterrorism?"

"[T]hey didn't allow me to brief him on terrorism. You know, they're
saying now that when I was afforded the opportunity to talk to him
about cybersecurity, it was my choice. I could have talked about
terrorism or cybersecurity. That's not true. I asked in January to
brief him, the president, on terrorism, to give him the same briefing
I had given Vice President Cheney, Colin Powell and Condi Rice. And I
was told, ĹYou can't do that briefing, Dick, until after the policy
development process.'" Richard Clarke interview with Tim Russert on
NBC's Meet the Press, March 28, 2004.

"Clarke asked on several occasions for early Principals Committee
meetings on these issues [outlined in his January 25, 2001 memo] and
was frustrated that no early meeting was scheduled. He wanted
principals to accept that al Qaeda was a Ĺfirst order threat' and not
a routine problem being exaggerated by Ĺchicken little' alarmists. No
Principals Committee meetings on al Qaeda were held until September 4,
2001." National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United
States, Threats and Responses in 2001, Staff Statement No. 8,
"National Policy Coordination," pp 9-10;
http://www.9-11commission.gov/hearings/hearing8/staff_statement_8.pdf

See Testimony of Richard A. Clarke before the National Commission on
Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, March 24, 2004:
MR. ROEMER: Okay. Let's move into, with my 15 minutes, let's move into
the Bush administration. On January the 25th, we've seen a memo that
you had written to Dr. Rice, urgently asking for a principals review
of al Qaeda. You include helping the Northern Alliance, covert aid,
significant new '02 budget authority to help fight al Qaeda --

MR. CLARKE: Uh-huh.

MR. ROEMER: -- and response to the U.S.S. Cole. You attached to this
document both the Delenda Plan of 1998 and a strategy paper from
December 2000. Did you get a response to this urgent request for a
principals meeting on these, and how does this affect your time frame
for dealing with these important issues?

MR. CLARKE: I did geta response. The response was that in the Bush
administration I should, and my committee, the counterterrorism
security group, should report to the deputies committee, which is a
sub-cabinet level committee, and not to the principals, and that
therefore it was inappropriate for me to be asking for a principals
meeting. Instead, there would be a deputies meeting.

MR. ROEMER: So, does this slow the process down to go to the deputies
rather than to the principals or a small group, as you had previously
done?

MR. CLARKE: It slowed it down enormously, by months. First of all, the
deputies committee didn't meet urgently in January or February. Then,
when the deputies committee did meet, it took the issue of al Qaeda as
part of a cluster of policy issues, including nuclear proliferation in
South Asia, democratization in Pakistan, how to treat the problems,
the various problems, including narcotics and other problems in
Afghanistan, and, launched on a series of deputies meetings extending
over several months to address al Qaeda in the context of all of those
interrelated issues. That process probably ended, I think, in July of
2001, so we were readying for a principals meeting in July, but the
principals' calendar was full, and then they went on vacation, many of
them, in August, so we couldn't meet in August, and therefore the
principals met in September.

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: "Maybe Mr. Bush was wondering why he had cut
terrorism funding from the FBI."

"This question of resources will also come up in the commission's
questioning of Attorney General John Ashcroft, who was brand-new on
the job in the fall of 2001 and on September 10th cut the FBI's
request for new counterterrorism money by 12 percent." John Dimsdale,
"Former FBI Director Louis Freeh and Attorney General John Ashcroft to
appear before 9/11 commission tomorrow," NPR Radio: Marketplace, April
12, 2004. See also, 2001 budget documents including Attorney General
John Ashcroft FY 2003 budget request to Office of Management and
Budget, September 10, 2001, showing $65 million offset in the FBI
budget for counter-terrorism equipment grants:
http://www.americanprogress.org/atf/cf/%7BE9245FE4-9A2B-43C7-A521-5D6FF2E06E03%7D/FY03ASHCROFT.PDF

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: The security briefing that was given to him on
August 6, 2001, said that Osama bin Laden was planning to attack
America by hijacking airplanes.

August 6, 2001 Presidential Daily Brief (PDB): "Al-Qa'ida members --
including some who are US citizens -- have resided in or traveled to
the US for years, and the group apparently maintains a support
structure that could aid attacks. Two al-Qa'ida members found guilty
in the conspiracy to bomb our Embassies in East Africa were US
citizens, and a senior EIJ member lived in California in the
mid-1990s. A clandestine source said in 1998 that a Bin Ladin cell in
New York was recruiting Muslim-American youth for attacks. We have
not been able to corroborate some of the more sensational threat
reporting, such as that from a ... (redacted portion) ... service in
1998 saying that Bin Ladin wanted to hijack a US aircraft to gain the
release of ĹBlind Shaykh' 'Umar 'Abd al-Rahman and other US-held
extremists. Nevertheless, FBI information since that time indicates
patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with
preparations for hijackings or other types of attacks, including
recent surveillance of federal buildings in New York." August 6, 2001,
Bin Ladin Determined to Strike Inside US,
http://www.cnn.com/2004/images/04/10/whitehouse.pdf

"The Aug. 6, 2001, document, known as the President's Daily Brief,
has been the focus of intense scrutiny because it reported that bin
Laden advocated airplane hijackings, that al-Qaida supporters were in
the United States and that the group was planning attacks here."
Clarke J. Scott, "Clarke Gave Warning on Sept. 4, 2001; Testimony
Includes Apology to Families of Sept. 11 Victims, Associated Press,
March 25, 2004.

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: On August 6 th, 2001, George W. Bush went fishing.

"President Bush swung into vacation mode Monday, fishing for bass in
his pond, strolling the canyons on his 1,600-acre ranch, taking an
early-morning run. Associated Press, "President Bush Vacationing in
Texas," August 6, 2001.

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: "Was it the guy my daddy's friends delivered a lot of
weapons to?"

In 1995, a member of Reagan's National Security Council and co-author
of his National Security Directives, Howard Teicher, signed a sworn
affidavit stating: "From early 1982 to 1987, I served as a Staff
Member to the United States National Security Council.ů In June, 1982,
President Reagan decided that the United States could not afford to
allow Iraq to lose the war to Iran. President Reagan decided that the
United States would do whatever was necessary and legal to prevent
Iraq from losing the war with Iran. Pursuant to the secret NSDD, the
United States actively supported the Iraqi war effort by supplying the
Iraqis with billions of dollars of credits, by providing U.S. military
intelligence and advice to the Iraqis, and by closely monitoring third
country arms sales to Iraq to make sure that Iraq had the military
weaponry required. This message was delivered by Vice President Bush
who communicated it to Egyptian President Mubarak, who in turn passed
the message to Saddam Hussein. Under CIA Director Casey and Deputy
Director Gates, the CIA made sure that non-U.S. manufacturers
manufactured and sold to Iraq the weapons needed by Iraq. In certain
instances where a key component in a weapon was not readily available,
the highest levels of the United States government decided to make the
component available, directly or indirectly, to Iraq. I specifically
recall that the provision of anti-armor penetrators to Iraq was a case
in point. The United States made a policy decision to supply
penetrators to Iraq." Affidavit of former Howard Teicher, UNITED
STATES OF AMERICA v. CARLOS CARDOEN et al, January 31, 1995.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1413.htm

"Questions have been raised about whether the United States not only
ignored foreign arms shipments to Iraq, but actually encouraged or
even arranged them. A former National Security Council official,
Howard Teicher, said in a 1995 court affidavit that the CIA made sure
Iraq received weapons from non-U.S. manufacturers." Ken Guggenheim,
"War Crimes Trial for Saddam Could Reveal Details of Past U.S. Help,"
Associated Press, January 24, 2004.
"There is ample documentation demonstrating that the Reagan and Bush
administrations supplied critical military technologies that were put
directly to use in the construction of the Iraqi war machine. There is
also strong evidence indicating that the executive branch's failure to
crack down on illegal weapons traffickers or keep track of third party
transfers of U.S. weaponry allowed a substantial flow of U.S.-origin
military equipment and military components to make their way to Iraq."
William D. Hartung, Weapons at War; A World Policy Institute Issue
Brief, May 1995. See also, Alan Friedman, Spider's Web: The Secret
History of How the White House Illegally Armed Iraq, (Bantam Books,
1993); Kenneth R. Timmerman, The Death Lobby: How the West Armed Iraq,
(Houghton, Mifflin, 1991).

"Rep. Dante Fascell, D-Fla., chairman of the House Foreign Affairs
Committee, said ů that the United States could not Ĺmake a claim for
purity' on arms sales, since the U.S. government has sold weapons to
Iran, Iraq Ĺand everybody else in the world.'" Robert Shepard,
"Congress Approves Aid for Former Soviet Republics," United Press
International, October 3, 1992.

"A covert American program during the Reagan administration provided
Iraq with critical battle planning assistance at a time when American
intelligence agencies knew that Iraqi commanders would employ chemical
weapons in waging the decisive battles of the Iran-Iraq war, according
to senior military officers with direct knowledge of the program.
Those officers, most of whom agreed to speak on the condition that
they not be identified, spoke in response to a reporter's questions
about the nature of gas warfare on both sides of the conflict between
Iran and Iraq from 1981 to 1988. Iraq's use of gas in that conflict is
repeatedly cited by President Bush and, this week, by his national
security adviser, Condoleezza Rice, as justification for "regime
change" in Iraq. The covert program was carried out at a time when
President Reagan's top aides, including Secretary of State George P.
Shultz, Defense Secretary Frank C. Carlucci and Gen. Colin L. Powell,
then the national security adviser, were publicly condemning Iraq for
its use of poison gas, especially after Iraq attacked Kurds in Halabja
in March 1988." Patrick E. Tyler, "Officers Say U.S. Aided Iraq in War
Despite Use of Gas," The New York Times, August 18, 2002.

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: "Was it that group of religious fundamentalists who
visited my state when I was governor?"

"A senior delegation from the Taleban movement in Afghanistan is in
the United States for talks with an international energy company that
wants to construct a gas pipeline from Turkmenistan across Afghanistan
to Pakistan. A spokesman for the company, Unocal, said the Taleban
were expected to spend several days at the company's headquarters in
Sugarland, Texas." "Taleban in Texas for talks on Gas Pipeline," BBC
News, December 4, 1997 (Sugarland is 22 miles outside Houston.)

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: "Or was it the Saudis? Damn, it was them."

"The 27 classified pages of a congressional report about Sept. 11
depict a Saudi government that not only provided significant money and
aid to the suicide hijackers but also allowed potentially hundreds of
millions of dollars to flow to Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups
through suspect charities and other fronts, according to sources
familiar with the document. One U.S. official who has read the
classified section said it describes Ĺvery direct, very specific
links' between Saudi officials, two of the San Diego-based hijackers
and other potential co-conspirators Ĺthat cannot be passed off as
rogue, isolated or coincidental.'" Of all the hijackers, 15 of the 19
were Saudi. Josh Meyer, "Report Links Saudi Government to 9/11
Hijackers, Sources Say," Los Angeles Times, August 2, 2003.

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: "In the days following September 11th , all
commercial and private airline traffic was grounded."

"On the morning of September 11th, there were 4,873 instrument flight
rule (IFR) flights operating in U.S. airspace. As soon as Secretary
Mineta was aware of the nature and scale of the terrorist attack on
New York and Washington -- that we were faced with, not one, but four
possible hijackings, and several other rumors of missing or
unidentified aircraft -- the Secretary ordered the air traffic system
shut down for all civil operations. Jane F. Garvey on Aviation
Security Following the Terrorist Attack on September 11th, September
21, 2001; http://www.faa.gov/newsroom/testimony/2001/testimony_010921.htm;
see also, "Airports to Remain Closed, Mineta Says," Department of
Transportation Press Release, September 12, 2001

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: "The White House approved planes to pick up the bin
Ladens and numerous other Saudis."

Fearing reprisals against Saudi nationals, the Saudi government asked
for help in getting some of its citizens out of the country. National
Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, Threats and
Responses in 2001, Staff Statement No. 10, The Saudi Flights, p. 12;
http://www.9-11commission.gov/hearings/hearing10/staff_statement_10.pdf
"Now, what I recall is that I asked for flight manifests of everyone
on board and all of those names need to be directly and individually
vetted by the FBI before they were allowed to leave the country. And
I also wanted the FBI to sign off even on the concept of Saudis being
allowed to leave the country. And as I recall, all of that was done.
It is true that members of the Bin Laden family were among those who
left. We knew that at the time. I can't say much more in open
session, but it was a conscious decision with complete review at the
highest levels of the State Department and the FBI and the White
House." Testimony of Richard Clarke, Former Counterterrorism Chief,
National Security Council, before The Senate Judiciary Committee,
September 3, 2003.

"I was making or coordinating a lot of decisions on 9/11 and the days
immediately after. And I would love to be able to tell you who did
it, who brought this proposal to me, but I don't know. Since you
pressed me, the two possibilities that are most likely are either the
Department of State, or the White House Chief of Staff's Office. But I
don't know." Testimony of Richard A. Clarke before the National
Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, March 24,
2004.

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: "At least six private jets and nearly two dozen
commercial planes carried the Saudis and the bin Ladens out of the
U.S. after September 13th. In all, 142 Saudis, including 24 members
of the bin Laden family, were allowed to leave the country."

NOTE: It should be noted that even though the film does not make the
allegation, strong evidence has recently come to light that at least
one private plane flew to pick up Saudi nationals while private
flights were still grounded. Moreover, for nearly three years, the
White House has denied that this flight existed. This was reported in
the June 9, 2004 St. Petersburg Times article cited below.

After the airspace reopened, six chartered flights with 142
people,mostly Saudi Arabian nationals, departed from the United States
between September 14 and 24. One flight, the so-called Bin Ladin
flight, departed the United States on September 20 with 26 passengers,
most of them relatives of Usama Bin Ladin. National Commission on
Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, Threats and Responses in
2001, Staff Statement No. 10, The Saudi Flights, p. 12;
http://www.9-11commission.gov/hearings/hearing10/staff_statement_10.pdf
It should be noted that the US Customs and Border Protection document
released by the Department of Homeland Security under the FOIA, Feb
24, 2004 lists 162 Saudi Nationals who flew out of the country between
9/11/2001 and 9/15/2001, departing from New York's Kennedy airport,
Washington's Dulles, and Dallas Fort Worth.
http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2004/homelandsecurity.pdf.

For an official list of Saudi Passport holders (names redacted) who
flew out of the country between 9.11.2001 ľ 9.15.2001, see US Customs
and Border Protection document released by the Department of Homeland
Security under the FOIA, Feb 24, 2004;
http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2004/homelandsecurity.pdf.

TheSt. Petersburg Times reported on Jun 9, 2004:
o "Two days after the Sept. 11 attacks, with most of the nation's air
traffic still grounded, a small jet landed at Tampa International
Airport, picked up three young Saudi men and left. The men, one of
them thought to be a member of the Saudi royal family, were
accompanied by a former FBI agent and a former Tampa police officer on
the flight to Lexington, Ky. The Saudis then took another flight out
of the country."

o Moreover: "For nearly three years, White House, aviation and law
enforcement officials have insisted the flight never took place and
have denied published reports and widespread Internet speculation
about its purposeů The terrorism panel, better known as the 9/11
Commission, said in April that it knew of six chartered flights with
142 people aboard, mostly Saudis, that left the United States between
Sept. 14 and 24, 2001. But it has said nothing about the Tampa flightů
The 9/11 Commission, which has said the flights out of the United
States were handled appropriately by the FBI, appears concerned with
the handling of the Tampa flight.

o "Most of the aircraft allowed to fly in U.S. airspace on Sept. 13
were empty airliners being ferried from the airports where they made
quick landings on Sept. 11. The reopening of the airspace included
paid charter flights, but not private, nonrevenue flights." Jean
Heller, "TIA now verifies flight of Saudis; The government has long
denied that two days after the 9/11 attacks, the three were allowed to
fly." St. Petersburg Times, June 9, 2004

Factual Back-Up for Fahrenheit 9/11: Section Three

Section Three covers the facts in Fahrenheit 9/11 from Osama's
relations with his family through Bush's military records and ends
with Bush's business history, including Arbusto, Harken and the
Carlyle Group.

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: In 2001, one of Osama's sons got married in
Afghanistan; several family members attended the wedding.

"Bin Laden as well as his mother, two brothers and a sister, who flew
from Saudi Arabia, attended the wedding of one of his sons, Mohammad,
in the Afghan city of Kandahar on Monday, the Arabic daily Al-Hayat
said.ů Another of bin Laden's sons married one of al-Masri's daughters
in January. Al-Hayat said several members of the bin Laden family, who
run a major construction company in Saudi Arabia, also traveled from
the kingdom to attend the wedding. Agence France Presse, "Bin Laden
Full of Praise for Attack on USS Cole at Son's Wedding", Thursday,
March 1, 2001.

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: "We held hundreds of people" immediately after 9/11.

"More than 1,200 foreigners have been detained as part of the
government's investigation into the terror attacks, some spending
months in prison. Some civil liberties advocates have complained, but
government officials insist they are simply enforcing long-standing
immigration laws." "A Nation Challenged," New York Times, November
25, 2001.

"The Department of Homeland Security announced new rules yesterday
designed to prevent a recurrence of the lengthy detention of hundreds
of foreign nationals, many of whom were prevented from making
telephone calls or contacting lawyers for months after they were
jailed in the wake of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. The guidelines,
made public yesterday by Asa Hutchinson, the department's
undersecretary for border and transportation security, were welcomed
by civil rights groups that had bitterly denounced the detention of
762 immigration violators after the attacks, based on sometimes
ill-founded FBI suspicions that they had links to terrorism. The new
rules are a response to a highly critical 198-page report last June by
Glenn A. Fine, the Justice Department's inspector general. It
concluded that in the chaotic aftermath of the terrorist strikes on
the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, hundreds of Arab and South
Asian men who had committed sometimes minor immigration violations
languished in jail without timely review by U.S. officials. Guards
mistreated some of them. The average detention lasted three months,
and the longest was 10 months before the immigrants were cleared of
terrorism ties and released from jail." John Mintz,
"New Rules Shorten Holding Time for Detained Immigrants," Washington
Post, April 14, 2004.
"In the days, weeks and months following the tragic events of
September 11, 2001, hundreds of American immigrants were rounded up
and detained, often under harsh or abusive conditions, in the name of
keeping America safe. Not because of evidence (or even sound hunches)
that they were involved in the terrorist attacks that brutally ended
the lives of more than 3,100 people. Not because they were found to
have ties to ľ or even knowledge of ľ terrorist groups who might
threaten American security in the future. Instead, hundreds of
immigrants were arbitrarily snared in this dragnet, marked for arrest
and thrown (literally, at times) in jail. The exact number is unknown,
because the government refuses to release that information. They had
one thing in common: Almost all were Arab or South Asian men, and
almost all were Muslim... Once arrested, many immigrants were labeled
"of interest" to the September 11 investigation and thrown into legal
limbo ľ detained for weeks or months in connection with a criminal
investigation, but denied the due process rights that they would have
been entitled to had they actually been charged with crimes." ACLU,
"America's Disappeared: Seeking International Justice for Immigrants
Detained after September 11," January 2004.

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: The FBI conducted "a little interview, check[ed] the
passport."

Last year, the National Review reported that the FBI conducted brief,
day-of-departure interviews with the Saudis -- in the words of an FBI
spokesman, "at the airport, as they were about to leave." Experts
interviewed by the National Review called the FBI's actions "highly
unusual" given the fact that those departing were actually members of
Osama bin Laden's family. "They [the FBI] could not have done a
thorough and complete interview," said John L.Martin, the former head
of internal security at the Justice Department. "The Great Escape :
How did assorted bin Ladens get out of America after September 11?"
National Review, September 29, 2003.

"Thirty of the 142 people on these flights were interviewed by the
FBI, including 22 of the 26 people (23 passengers and 3 private
security guards) on the Bin Ladin flight. Many were asked detailed
questions. None of the passengers stated that they had any recent
contact with Usama Bin Ladin or knew anything about terrorist
activity." National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United
States, Threats and Responses in 2001, Staff Statement No. 10, The
Saudi Flights, p. 12;
http://www.9-11commission.gov/hearings/hearing10/staff_statement_10.pdf

"I talked to several people who were with the FBI during the actual
repatriation. And they told me there was a lot of back-and-forth
between the FBI and the Saudi Embassy. And the Saudi Embassy tried to
get people to leave without even identifying them. The FBI succeeded
in identifying people and going through their passports. But, in many
cases, you had the FBI meeting people for the first time on the tarmac
or on the planes themselves as they were departing. That was not time
for a serious interview or a serious interrogation." Interview with
Craig Unger, CNN, September 4, 2003.

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: White House released records in response to Moore's
charge of deserter.

Left-leaning filmmaker Michael Moore got the discussion started in
January, when he endorsed Clark for president and called the president
a Ĺdeserter.' The White House responded by releasing the president's
service records, including an honorable discharge. James Rainey,
"Who's the Man? They Are; George Bush and John Kerry Stand Shoulder to
Shoulder in One Respect: Macho is Good. Very Good. It's Been That Way
Since Jefferson's Day," Los Angeles Times, March 18, 2004.

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: There is one glaring difference between the records
released in 2000 and those he released in 2004. A name had been
blacked out. In 1972, two airmen were suspended for failing to take
their medical examination. One was George W. Bush and the other
wasJames R. Bath.

See National Guard Bureau, Aeronautical Orders Number 87, September
29, 1972, Attachment B, paragraph 7 (original document):
The Document as Released in 2000: Page 1 | Page 2

The Document as Released in 2004: Page 1 | Page 2

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: James R. Bath was the Texas money manager for the
Bin Laden family.

See Notarized Trust Agreement, Harris County, Texas, signed by Salem
M. Binladen, July 8, 1976 (original document), Attachment C ("I, Salem
M. Binladen, do hereby vest unto James Reynolds Bath, 2330
Bellefontaine, Houston, Texas, full and absolute authority to act on
my behalf in all matters relating to the business and operation of
Binladen-Houston offices in Houston, Texas." Notarized Trust
Agreement, Harris County, Texas, July 8, 1976.

"According to a 1976 trust agreement, drawn shortly after [George H.
W.] Bush was appointed director of the Central Intelligence Agency,
Saudi Sheik Salem M. Binladen appointed Bath as his business
representative in Houston. Binladen, along with his brothers, owns
Binladen Brothers Construction, one of the largest construction
companies in the Middle East." Jerry Urban, "Feds Investigate
Entrepreneur Allegedly Tied to Saudis," Houston Chronicle, June 4,
1992.

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: George W. Bush and James R. Bath had become good
friends.

"Bath, 55, acknowledges a friendship with George W. Bush that stems
from their service together in the Texas Air National Guard." Jonathan
Beaty, "A Mysterious Mover of Money and Planes," Time Magazine,
October 28, 1991.

"In a copy of the record released by the National Guard in 2000, the
man in question, James R. Bath, was listed as being suspended from
flying for the National Guard in 1972 for failing to take a medical
exam next to a similar listing for Mr. Bush. It has been widely
reported that the two were friends and that Mr. Bath invested in Mr.
Bush's first major business venture, Arbusto Energy, in the late
1970's after Mr. Bath began working for Salem bin Laden." Jim
Rutenberg, "A Film to Polarize Along Party Lines," New York Times, May
17, 2004.

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: "After they were discharged, when Bush's dad was head
of the CIA, Bath opened up his own aviation business, after selling a
plane to a man by the name of Salem bin Laden, heir to the second
largest fortune in Saudi Arabia, the Saudi bin Laden Group."

"Bath opened his own aircraft brokerage firm in 1976." Jonathan Beaty,
"A Mysterious Mover of Money and Planes," Time Magazine, October 28,
1991. (Bush was CIA director, 1976-1977.)
"Sometime around 1974ů Bath was trying to sell a F-27 turboprop, a
sluggish medium-range plane that was not exactly a hot ticket in those
days, when he received a phone call that changed his life. The voice
no the other end belonged to Salem bin Ladenů Bath not only had a
buyer for a plane no one else seemed to want, he had also stumbled
upon a source of wealth and power that was certain to pique the
interest of even the brashest Texas oil baron." Craig Unger, House of
Bush, House of Saud, pp,19-20 (Scribner: New York, 2004).

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: "George W. Bush founded an oil company, a drilling
company, out in west Texas called Arbusto, which was very good at
drilling dry holes."

"After graduating from the Harvard Business School, Bush organized his
first company, Arbusto Energy (Arbusto is Spanish for Bush) in 1977 on
the eve of a run for Congress. According to records on file with the
Securities and Exchange Commission, Arbusto didn't start active
operations until March 1979.ů According to 1984 securities filings,
Bush's limited partners had invested $4.66 million in Bush's various
drilling programs but they had received cash distributions of only
$1.54 million. However, Bush's CFO stated, ĹWe didn't find much oil
and gas,' adding ĹWe weren't raising any money.' George Lardner Jr.
and Lois Romano, "Bush Name Helps Fuel Oil Dealings," Washington Post,
July 30, 1999.

"Bush eventually renamed his company Bush Exploration and later merged
with a firm called Spectrum 7. Documents filed with the Securities
and Exchange Commission show that the firm lost money from 1979 to
1982 and that investors who put in nearly $4.7 million got back just
$1.5 million. Published reports contend that Bush Exploration was
salvaged by Cincinnati oilmen Bill DeWitt and Mercer Reynolds. Bush
today says otherwise, that his company was on firm financial footing
and that the merger was a strategic one. Either way, George W.
drilled his fair share of dry holes. As Conaway rues to this day, the
company Ĺnever hit . . . the Big Kahuna.'" Maria La Ganga, "Bush
Finesses Texas 2-Step Of Privilege, Personality," Los Angeles Times,
March 2, 2000.

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: "There is no indication that daddy wrote a check to
start Bush off in his company."

"Seed money, upward of $4 million, was largely raised between 1979 and
1982 with the help of [Bush's] uncle, financier Jonathan Bush. The
Arbusto investor list is filled with family and famous friends. His
grandmother, Dorothy W. Bush, chipped in $25,000. Corporate
luminaries like George L. Ball, chief executive of Prudential-Bache
Securities, invested $100,000. Macomber and William H. Draper III,
who invested more than $125,000, were later named presidents of the
U.S. Export-Import Bank during the Reagan and Bush administrations."
Maria La Ganga, "Bush Finesses Texas 2-Step Of Privilege,
Personality," Los Angeles Times, March 2, 2000.

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: "Bush's good friend James Bath was hired by the bin
Laden family to manage their money in Texas and invest in businesses.
And James Bath himself, in turn, invested in George W. Bush."

See Notarized Trust Agreement, Harris County, Texas, signed by Salem
M. Binladen, July 8, 1976 (original document), Attachment C ("I, Salem
M. Binladen, do hereby vest unto James Reynolds Bath, 2330
Bellefontaine, Houston, Texas, full and absolute authority to act on
my behalf in all matters relating to the business and operation of
Binladen-Houston offices in Houston, Texas." Notarized Trust
Agreement, Harris County, Texas, July 8, 1976.
See 1981 Schedule 4 spreadsheet showing $50,000 investment by James
Bath in George W. Bush's Arbusto Exploration, Attachment D (original
document).

Bath's business relationship with Salem bin Laden, and other wealthy
Saudi businessmen, has been well documented. See, e.g., Mike Ward,
"Bin Laden Relatives Have Ties to Texas," Austin American-Statesman,
November 9, 2001; Jerry Urban, "Feds Investigate Entrepreneur
Allegedly Tied to Saudis," Houston Chronicle, June 4, 1992; Thomas
Petzinger Jr., et al., "Family Ties: How Oil Firm Linked to a Son of
Bush Won Bahrain Drilling Pact," The Wall Street Journal, December 6,
1991.

"[E]arly 1980s tax records reviewed by TIME show that Bath invested
$50,000 in Bush's energy ventures and remained a stockholder until
Bush sold his company to Harken in 1986." Jonathan Beaty, "A
Mysterious Mover of Money and Planes," Time Magazine, October 28,
1991.

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: "Bush ran Arbusto nearly into the ground, as he did
every other company he was involved in until finally one of his
companies was bought by Harken Energy and they gave him a seat on
their board."

"Bush's name ůwas to help rescue him, just as it had attracted
investors and helped revive his flagging fortunes throughout his years
in the dusty plains city of Midland. A big Dallas-based firm, Harken
Oil and Gas, was looking to buy up troubled oil companies. After
finding Spectrum, Harken's executives saw a bonus in their target's
CEO, despite his spotty track record. By the end of September 1986,
the deal was done. Harken assumed $ 3.1 million in debts and swapped $
2.2 million of its stock for a company that was hemorrhaging money,
though it had oil and gas reserves projected to produce $ 4 million in
future net revenue. Harken, a firm that liked to attach itself to
stars, had also acquired Bush, whom it used not as an operating
manager but as a high-profile board member.ů It was one of the biggest
breaks of Bush's life. Still, the Harken deal completed a
disappointing reprise of what was becoming a familiar pattern. As an
oilman, Bush always worked hard, winning a reputation as a
straight-shooter and a good boss who was witty, warm and immensely
likable. Even the investors who lost money in his ventures remained
admirers, and some of them are now raising money for his presidential
campaign. But the story of Bush's career in oil, which began
following his graduation from Harvard Business School in the summer of
1975 and ended when he sold out to Harken and headed for Washington,
is mostly about his failure to succeed, despite the sterling
connections his lineage and Ivy League education brought him." George
Lardner Jr. and Lois Romano, "Bush Name Helps Fuel Oil Dealings,"
Washington Post, July 30, 1999.

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: Bush was investigated by the S.E.C. The James Baker
law partner who helped Bush beat the rap from the SEC was a man by the
name of Robert Jordon, who, when George W. became president was
appointed ambassador to Saudi Arabia.

"A week before George W. Bush's 1990 sale of stock in Harken Energy
Co., the firm's outside lawyers cautioned Bush and other directors
against selling shares if they had significant negative information
about the company's prospects. The sale came a few months before
Harken reported significant losses, leading to an investigation by the
Securities and Exchange Commission. The June 15, 1990, letter from
the Haynes and Boone law firm wasn't sent to the SEC by Bush's
attorney Robert W. Jordan until Aug. 22, 1991, according to a letter
by Jordan. That was one day after SEC staff members investigating the
stock sale concluded there was insufficient evidence to recommend an
enforcement action against Bush for insider trading." Peter Behr,
"Bush Sold Stock After Lawyers' Warning," Washington Post, November 1,
2002.

"President Bush has chosen as ambassador to Saudi Arabia a Dallas
attorney who represented him against ů allegations arising from his
sale of stock in Harken Energy Co. 11 years ago." G. Robert Hillman,
"Bush Taps Dallas Attorney to be Ambassador to Saudi Arabia," The
Dallas Morning News, July 21, 2001.

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: "After the Harken debacle, the friends of Bush's dad
got him a seat on another board, of a company owned by the Carlyle
Group."

"Fred Malek, a senior advisor to Carlyle, who also served as the
director of the 1988 Republican Convention, suggested to Carlyle that
the President's eldest son, George W. Bush, would Ĺbe a positive
addition to Caterair's board.' Mr. Malek was also a Caterair director
and vice chairman of Northwest Airlines, a major Caterair customer.
ĹI thought George W. Bush could make a contribution to Caterair,'
stated Malek. Malek further claimed, ĹHe would be on the board even
if his father weren't President.'" Kenneth N. Gilpin, "Little-Known
Carlyle Scores Big," New York Times, March 26, 1991

Co-Founder of Carlyle Group, David Rubenstein, talking about setting
up Cater Air after Carlyle acquired it: "When we're putting together
the board," Rubenstein said, Ĺsomebody came to me and said ĹLook,
there is a guy who would like to be on the board. He's kind of down on
his luck a bit. Needs a job. Needs some board positions. Could you
put him on the board? Pay him a salary and he'll be a good board
member and be a loyal vote for the management and so forth.' ůWe put
him on the board and (he) spent three years. Came to all the
meetings. ů And after a while I kind of said to him, after about
three years ľ ĹYou know, I'm not sure this is really for you. Maybe
you should do something else. Because I don't think you're adding
much value to the board. You don't know that much about the company.'
The board member told him, Rubenstein said, ĹWell I think I'm getting
out of this business anyway. I don't really like it that much. So I'm
probably going to resign from the board.' And I said, 'Thanks.' Didn't
think I'd ever see him again. His name is George W. Bush,' Rubenstein
said. ĹHe became president of the United States. So if you said to
me, name 25 million people who would be president of the United
States, he wouldn't be in that category. So you neverknow." Nicholas
Horrock, "White House Watch: With Friends Like These," UPI, July 16,
2003 .

Factual Back-Up for Fahrenheit 9/11:

Section Four covers the facts in Fahrenheit 9/11 covers the Carlyle
Group and Saudi money in the United States and its connection to the
Bush family, their friends and associates.

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: "The Carlyle group is a multinational conglomerate
that invests in heavily government-regulated industries like
telecommunications, healthcare and, particularly, defense."

"The Carlyle Group is one of the world's largest private equity firms,
with more than $18.3 billion under management. With 23 funds across
five investment disciplines (management-led buyouts, real estate,
leveraged finance, venture capital and turnaround), Carlyle combines
global vision with local insight, relying on a top-flight team of
nearly 300 investment professionals operating out of offices in 14
countries to uncover superior opportunities in North America, Europe,
and Asia.

Carlyle focuses on sectors in which it has demonstrated expertise:
aerospace & defense, automotive & transportation, consumer, energy &
power, healthcare, industrial, real estate, technology & business
services, and telecommunications & media." Carlyle Group web site,
http://www.thecarlylegroup.com/eng/company/index.html FAHRENHEIT 9/11:
The Bin Laden and Bush families were both connected to the Carlyle
Group, as were many of the Bush family's friends and associates.

In the early 1990s, George W. Bush served on the board of directors
for CaterAir, an airline catering company. CaterAir was owned by the
Carlyle Group. Kenneth N. Gilpin, "Little-Known Carlyle Scores Big,"
The New York Times, March 26, 1991. "George W. Bush left the company
in 1994, a year after his father's presidency ended." Ross Ramsey, et
al., "Campaign '94 Fisher's Staff Slips Up On Spanish," The Houston
Chronicle, September 17, 1994.

In the mid-1990s, George H.W. Bush joined up with the Carlyle Group.
"Under the leadership of ex-officials like Baker and former Defense
Secretary Frank C. Carlucci, Carlyle developed a specialty in buying
defense companies and doubling or quadrupling their value. The
ex-president not only became an investor in Carlyle, but a member of
the company's Asia Advisory Board and a rainmaker who drummed up
investors. Twelve rich Saudi families, including the Bin Ladens, were
among them.

In 2002, the Washington Post reported, ĹSaudis lose to Prince Sultan,
the Saudi defense minister ... were encouraged to put money into
Carlyle as a favor to the elder Bush.' Bush retired from the company
last October, and Baker, who lobbied U.S. allies last month to forgive
Iraq's debt, remains a Carlyle senior counselor. Kevin Phillips, "The
Barreling Bushes; Four Generations of the Dynasty Have Chased Profits
Through Cozy Ties with Mideast Leaders, Spinning Webs of Conflicts of
Interest," Los Angeles Times, January 11, 2004.

The bin Laden family first invested in Carlyle in 1994. Representing
Carlyle's Asia Board, George H.W. Bush visited the bin laden family's
headquarters in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Kurt Eichenwald, "Bin Laden
Family Liquidates Holdings With Carlyle Group," The New York Times,
October 26, 2001.

James Baker was a Carlyle Senior Counselor beginning in 1993. Carlyle
Group web site, http://www.thecarlylegroup.com/eng/team/l5-team391.html.
Bush's OMB chief, Richard Darman, was with Carlyle by 1994. Bob Cook,
Mergers & Acquisitions Report, December 12, 1994.

George W. Bush was with Caterair -- owned by Carlyle -- until 1994,
after Fred Malek, a senior advisor to Carlyle, who also served as the
director of the 1988 Republican Convention, suggested to Carlyle that
the President's eldest son would "be a positive addition to Caterair's
board." Kenneth N. Gilpin, "Little-Known Carlyle Scores Big," New
York Times, March 26, 1991.

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: "Carlyle Group was holding its annual investor
conference on the morning of September 11th in the Ritz Carlton Hotel
in Washington, D.C. At that meeting were all of the Carlyle regulars,
James Baker, likely John Major, definitely George H. W. Bush, though
he left the morning of September 11th. Shafiq bin Ladin, who is Osama
bin Laden's half-brother, and was in town to look after his family's
investments in the Carlyle Group. All of them, together in one room,
watching as the uh the planes hit the towers."

On the morning of September 11, 2001, "in the plush setting of the
Ritz-Carlton hotel in Washington, DC, the Carlyle Group was holding
its annual international investor conference. Frank Carlucci, James
Baker III, David Rubenstein, William Conway, and Dan D'Aniellow were
together, along with a host of former world leaders, former defense
experts, wealthy Arabs from the Middle East, and major international
investors as they terror played out on television. There with them,
looking after the investments of his family was Shafiq bin Laden,
Osama bin Laden's estranged half-brother. George Bush Sr. was also at
the conference, but Carlyle's spokesperson says the former president
left before the terror attacks, and was on an airplane over the
Midwest when flights across the country were grounded on the morning
of September 11.

In any circumstance, a confluence of such politically complex and
globally connected people would have been curious, even newsworthy.
But in the context of the terrorist attacks being waged against the
United States by a group of Saudi nationals led by Osama bin Laden,
the group assembled at the Ritz-Carlton that day was a disconcerting
and freakish coincidence." Dan Briody, The Iron Triangle, John Wiley
& Sons, Inc., 2003, p. 139-140. See also, Melanie Warner, "What do
George Bush, Arthur Levitt, Jim Baker, Dick Darman, and John Major
Have in Common? (They All Work for the Carlyle Group)," Fortune, March
18, 2002,

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: "With all the weapons companies it owned, The Carlyle
Group was in essence, the 11th largest defense contractor in the
United States."

"By virtue of its holdings in companies like U.S. Marine Repair and
United Defense Industries, Carlyle is the equivalent of the
eleventh-largest defense contractor in the nation. It has $16.2
billion under management and claims an average annual return of 35%."
Phyllis Berman, "Lucky Twice," Forbes, December 8, 2003.

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: "It owned United Defense, makers of the Bradley
armored fighting vehicle. September 11th guaranteed that United
Defense was going to have a very good year. Just 6 weeks after 9-11
Carlyle filed to take United Defense public and in December made a one
day profit of $237 million dollars."

"On a single day last month, Carlyle earned $237 million selling
shares in United Defense Industries, the Army's fifth-largest
contractor. The stock offering was well timed: Carlyle officials say
they decided to take the company public only after the Sept. 11
attacks. ů On Sept. 26, [2001], the Army signed a $665-million
modified contract with United Defense through April 2003 to complete
the Crusader's development phase. In October, the company listed the
Crusader, and the attacks themselves, as selling points for its stock
offering. Mark Fineman, "Arms Buildup is a Boon to Firm Run by Big
Guns," Los Angeles Times, January 10, 2002.

"Still, in its annual report for 2001, United announced that it had
been awarded a three-year, $697 million contract to complete full
upgrading of 389 Bradley units and had added a $ 655 million contract
modification to complete the Crusader's 'definition and risk-reduction
phase contract,' which would be worth $ 1.7 billion through 2003.
Together, the Crusader and Bradley programs contributed 41 percent of
United sales in 2001, the report said. With Crusader and the Bradley
upgrade in hand, a decision was made to sell United stock to the
public in late 2001." Walter Pincus, "Crusader a Boon to Carlyle Group
Even if Pentagon Scraps Project," Washington Post, May 14, 2002.

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: "With so much attention focused on the bin Laden
family being important Carlyle investors, the bin Ladens eventually
had to withdraw."

"Following the attacks on September 11, the bin Laden family's
investments in the Carlyle Group became an embarrassment to the
Carlyle Group and the family was forced to liquidate their assets with
the firm." Kurt Eichenwald, "Bin Laden Family Liquidates Holdings
with Carlyle Group," The New York Times, October 26, 2001.

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: "Bush's dad stayed on as Senior Advisor to Carlyle's
Asia Board for another 2 years."

"Former President Bush was at one time the Senior Advisor to the
Carlyle Asia Advisory Board but retired from that position in October
2003. He holds no other positions at Carlyle."
http://www.thecarlylegroup.com/eng/news/l4-presskit681.html#8
"The former president is no longer a company adviser, but he still has
investments there,
Mr. Ullman (vice president for corporate communications) said." Dallas
Morning News, "Michael Moore keeps heat on at premiere", May 18, 2004
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: George H. W. Bush receives daily CIA briefings.

"One of the people who corresponded with [former ambassador Joseph]
Wilson is George H. W. Bush, the only president to have been head of
the C.I.A.-- he still receives regular briefings from Langley." Vicky
Ward, "Double Exposure," Vanity Fair, January 2004.
Former President Bush has made efforts to keep abreast of foreign
affairs, partly by exercising his right to be briefed by CIA personnel
about developments around the globe. Ha'aretz, "George Bush Sr.
Vouches for Son's Support of Israel to the Saudis", July 16, 2001.

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: "They are benefiting from the confusion that arises
when George H. W. Bush visits Saudi Arabia, on behalf of Carlyle, and
meets with the royal family and meets with the bin Laden family. Is he
representing the United States of America, or is he representing an
investment firm in the United States of America or is he representing
both?"

Few firms could have rivaled the Carlyle Group for its array of
high-powered friends. The Washington-based venture capital house had
been likened to a retirement home for Gulf War veterans, and the likes
of George Bush Sr, James Baker, and John Major Ĺcan take credit for
its rapid rise.' The Observer noted in a profile, "It used to be
fashionable to deride Carlyle as a second-rate influence-peddler and
dismiss its stable of retired politicians as superannuated Ĺaccess
capitalists.'" ů Carlyle had sponsored visits by Bush Sr. to South
Korea and China, and his clout with the Saudi government ľ perhaps
Carlyle's most important customer ľ is also likely to be valued. Conal
Walsh, "The Carlyle Controversy: With Friends in High Places: Former
World Leaders Give Carlyle Group Unrivalled Prowess in Lobbying for
Business," The Observer, September 15, 2002.

"'It should be a deep cause for concern that a closely held company
like Carlyle can simultaneously have directors and advisers that are
doing business and making money and also advising the president of the
United States,' says Peter Eisner, managing director of the Center for
Public Integrity, a non-profit-making Washington think-tank. ĹThe
problem comes when private business and public policy blend together.
What hat is former president Bush wearing when he tells Crown Prince
Abdullah not to worry about US policy in the Middle East? What hat
does he use when he deals with South Korea, and causes policy changes
there? Or when James Baker helps argue the presidential election in
the younger Bush's favour? It's a kitchen-cabinet situation, and the
informality involved is precisely a mark of Carlyle's success.'"
Oliver Burkeman Julian Borger, "The Winners: The Ex-Presidents' Club,"
The Guardian, October 31, 2001.

"The Saudi family of Osama bin Laden is severing its financial ties
with the Carlyle Group, a private investment firm known for its
connections to influential Washington political figuresů In recent
years, Frank C. Carlucci, the chairman of Carlyle and a former
secretary of defense, has visited the family's headquarters in Jeddah,
Saudi Arabia, as have former President George Bush and James A. Baker
III, the former secretary of state. Mr. Bush works as an adviser to
Carlyle, and Mr. Baker is a partner in the firm." Kurt Eichenwald,
"Bin Laden Family Liquidates Holdings With Carlyle Group," New York
Times, October 26, 2001.
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: "Another group of people invest in you, your friends,
and their related businesses $1.4 billion over a number of years."

"In all, at least $1.46 billion had made its way from the Saudis to
the House of Bush and its allied companies and institutions." Craig
Unger, House of Bush, House of Saud, p. 200, (Scribner: New York,
2004). For a complete breakdown of the investments, see Unger's
Appendix C, pp. 295-298.

This number includes investments made and contracts awarded at the
time that Bush's friends were involved in the Carlyle Group:
James Baker was a Carlyle Senior Counselor beginning in 1993. Carlyle
Group web site, http://www.thecarlylegroup.com/eng/team/l5-team391.html.

Bush's OMB chief, Richard Darman, was with Carlyle by 1994. Bob Cook,
Mergers & Acquisitions Report, December 12, 1994.

George W. Bush was with Caterair -- owned by Carlyle -- until 1994,
after Fred Malek, a senior advisor to Carlyle, who also served as the
director of the 1988 Republican Convention, suggested to Carlyle that
the President's eldest son would "be a positive addition to Caterair's
board." Kenneth N. Gilpin, "Little-Known CarlyleScores Big," New York
Times, March 26, 1991

Bush Sr. was first involved in Carlyle by the mid-1990s and no later
than 1997.Kevin Phillips, "The Barreling Bushes; Four Generations of
the Dynasty Have Chased Profits Through Cozy Ties with Mideast
Leaders, Spinning Webs of Conflicts of Interest," Los Angeles Times,
January 11 , 2004; Dan Briody, The Iron Triangle, John Wiley & Sons,
Inc., 2003.

Additional back up for these numbers is as follows:
Saudi investments in the Carlyle Group worth $80,000,000. Craig
Unger, "Saving the Saudis," Vanity Fair, October 2003. The number was
reported to Unger by the head of Carlyle, David Rubenstein, in an
interview.

In 1994, Carlyle owned military contractor BDM was "awarded a contract
to provide technical assistance and logistics support to the Royal
Saudi Air Force." Worth: $46,200,000. PR Newswire, "BDM Federal
Awarded $46 Million Contract To Support Royal Saudi Air Force,"
October 27, 1994.

During the 1990s, the Vinnell Corporation (a BDM subsidiary) held
contracts to train the Saudi Arabian National Guard, worth
$819,000,000. Robert Burns, "US Advises Saudi Military On Range Of
ThreatsŚIncluding Terrorism," Associated Press, November 13, 1995.

In 1995, BDM collected a contract to "augment Royal Saudi Air Force
staff in developing, implementing, and maintaining logistics and
engineering plans and programs." Worth: $32,500,000. Defense Daily,
"Defense Contracts," June 23, 1995, as cited by Craig Unger.

In 1996, BDM was awarded a contract "to provide construction of 110
housing units at the MK-1 Compound, Khamis Mushayt, Saudi Arabia, for
Technical Support Program personnel assisting the Royal Saudi Air
Forceů. This effort supports foreign military sales to Saudi Arabia."
Worth: $44,397,800. Department of Defense News Release, "BDM Federal,
Incorporated," April 1, 1996.

During the late 1990s, Vinnell was awarded a contract "for the Saudi
Arabian National Guard (SANG) Modernization Program. The three-year
contract, awarded competitively, calls on Vinnell to continue to
support SANG training operations and related activities." Worth:
$163,300,000 . PR Newswire, "Vinnell Selected for Award of $163.3
Million Contract for Saudi Arabian National Guard Modernization
Program," May 3, 1995. Kashim Al-An, "Saudi Guard Gets Quiet Help from
US Firm with Connections," Associated Press, March 22, 1997.

In 1997, BDM was awarded a contract "to provide for 400 contractor
personnel to support the Royal Saudi Air Force in developing,
implementing, and maintaining logistics, supply, computer,
reconnaissance, intelligence and engineering plans and programs."
Worth: $18,728,682 (note: this is a "face value increase to a firm
fixed price contract"). Defense Daily, "Defense Contracts," February
4, 1997.

Note: Carlyle purchased BDM and its subsidiary Vinnell in 1992 and
sold it to TRW in Dec, 1997.

In November 2001, Dick Cheney's former company Halliburton was awarded
"a contract to provide services for the Saudi Arabian Oil Company's
(Saudi Aramco) Qatif Field development project in the eastern province
of Saudi Arabia." Worth: $140 million. Halliburton press release,
"Halliburton Awarded $140 Million Contract by Saudi Aramco," November
14, 2001.

The same month, a consortium of three companies led by Halliburton
subsidiary KBR won a "contract for engineering, procurement, and
construction of an ethylene plant for Jubail United Petrochemcial
Company, a wholly owned company of Saudi Basic Industries
Corporation." Worth: $40 million. MaggieMulvihill, et al., "Bush
Advisers Cashed in on Saudi Gravy Train," Boston Herald, December 11,
2001 ; Halliburton press release, "Halliburton KBR, Chiyoda, and
Mitsubishi Win SaudiArabian Ethylene Project," November 19, 2001.
(Note: The $40 million figure cited for this contractin all likelihood
is much too low. Three separate energy industry journals place the
value of the contract at $350 million. While there are two other
companies involved, all reports point out that Halliburton KBR led the
consortium and thus, if the contract were $350 million, it is likely
that their cut would beŚas lead contractorŚsignificantly more than $40
million. See, Petroleum Economist, "News in Brief," January 14, 2002;
Chemical Week, "KBR, Chiyoda, Mitsubishi Win Jubail Ethylene
Contract," December 5, 2001; Middle East Economic Digest, "Projects
Update: Petrochemicals," March 7, 2000.

Soon after Harken bought out George W. Bush's company Spectrum 7 in
1986 and placed Bush on their board of directors, a Saudi sheik
swooped in to save the troubled Harken. Abdullah Taha Bakhsh purchased
a 17% stake in the company. Worth: $25,000,000. Thomas Petzinger Jr.,
et al., "Family Ties: How Oil Firm Linked to a Son of Bush Won Bahrain
Drilling Pact; Harken Energy Had a Web of Mideast Connections; In the
Background: BCCI; EntrÚe at the White House," Wall Street Journal,
December 6, 1991.

In 1989 Saudi Arabia's King Fahd donated money to the Barbara Bush
Foundation for Family Literacy. At the time, Ms. Bush was the First
Lady of the United States. The King's contribution represented almost
half the amount the organization was able to raise that year. Worth:
$1,000,000. Thomas Ferraro, "Saudi King also Contributed to Barbara
Bush's Foundation," United Press International, March 13, 1990.

Following George H. W. Bush's departure from office, Saudi Ambassador
to the United States, Prince Bandar, donated money to the Bush Sr.
Presidential Library fund. Worth: At least $1,000,000. Dave
Montgomery, "Hail to a Former Chief," Fort Worth Star-Telegram,
November 7, 1997.

Both George H. W. Bush and George W. Bush attended the elite Phillips
Andover Academy in Massachusetts. In the summer of 2002 the Academy
announced it had established a scholarship in Bush Sr.'s name. Saudi
Prince Alwaleed binTalal bin Adul Aziz Alsaud -- the same Prince who
bailed out EuroDisney in the mid-Nineties -- was among the donors to
the scholarship. Worth $500,000. Phillips Academy-Andover press
release, "A Statement from Phillips Academy-Andover Regarding the Bush
Scholars Program," December 31, 2002.

Among the many presents George W. Bush has received from foreign
leaders and dignitaries during his term as President, perhaps none is
grander than the one Prince Bandar bestowed upon him. Bandar gave the
current president a "C.M. Russell oil canvas painting of a native
American buffalo huntů." Worth: $1,000,000. Siobhan McDonough, "Gifts
to President are Gratefully Received, Quickly Carted into Storage,"
Associated Press, July 14, 2003.

Factual Back-Up for Fahrenheit 9/11:

Section Six covers the facts in Fahrenheit 9/11 from the Patriot Act
through the war in Iraq.

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: "Bush also appointed as our envoy to Afghanistan
Zalmay Khalilzad, who was also a former Unocal advisor."

"Mr. Khalilzad himself knows how compasses change. In the mid-1990's,
he briefly defended the Taliban while working as a consultant for
Unocal, the oil company that was then trying to build a pipeline
through Afghanistan. He later became one of the Taliban's fiercest
critics." Amy Waldman, "Afghan Returns Home as American Ambassador,"
New York Times, April 19, 2004.

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: "Afghanistan signed the agreement to build a pipeline
through its country carrying natural gas from the Caspian Sea ."

"The framework agreement defines legal mechanisms for setting up a
consortium to build and operate the long-delayed US$3.2-billion
natural gas pipeline, known as the Trans-Afghanistan Pipeline, which
would carry gas from energy-rich Turkmenistan to Pakistan. It would be
one of the first major investment projects in Afghanistan in decades."
Baglia Bukharbayeva "Pakistani, Turkmen, Afghan Leaders Sign US$3.2
Billion Pipeline Deal," Associated Press, December 27, 2002.

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: "In the year 2000, [John Ashcroft] was running for
re-election as Senator from Missouri against a man who died the month
before the election. The voters preferred the dead guy."

"Sen. John Ashcroft on Wednesday graciously conceded defeat in his
re-election campaign against the late Gov. Mel Carnahan and urged
fellow Republicans to call off any legal challenges." Eric Stern,
"Ashcroft Rejects Challenge To Election; Senator Says He Hopes
Carnahan's Victory Will Be ĹOf Comfort' To Widow,"St. Louis
Post-Dispatch, November 9, 2000 .
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: "During the summer before 9/11, Ashcroft told acting
FBI director Thomas Pickard that he didn't want to hear anything more
about terrorist threats."

"Former interim FBI chief Thomas Pickard testified Tuesday that Atty.
Gen. John Ashcroft didn't want to hear about terrorism when Pickard
tried to brief him during the summer of 2001, as intelligence reports
about terrorist threats were reaching a historic level." Cam Simpson,
"Ashcroft Ignored Terrorism, Panel Told; Attorney General Denies
Charges, Blames Clinton," Chicago Tribune, April 14, 2004.
See also film footage.

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: "His own FBI knew that summer that there were al
Qaeda members in the U.S. , and that bin Laden was sending his agents
to flight schools throughout the country."

[T]he July 2001 ĹPhoenix' memo, written by an FBI agent in Arizona,
warned about Ĺan inordinate number of individuals of investigative
interest' taking flight training. It urged the agency to collect data
on flight schools and foreign students, and to discuss the potential
threat with other intelligence agencies. ...[O]ne of the men mentioned
in the memo was arrested in Pakistan in 2002 with a senior al Qaeda
facilitator, Abu Zubayda. R. Jeffrey Smith, "A History of Missed
Connections; U.S. Analysts Warned of Potential Attacks but Lacked
Follow-Through," Washington Post, July 25, 2003.

Excerpt from "Phoenix Memo": "The purpose of this communication is to
advise the Bureau and New York of the possibility of a coordinated
effort by USAMA BIN LADEN (UBL) to send students to the United States
to attend civil aviation universities and colleges. Phoenix has
observed an inordinate number of individuals of investigative interest
who are attending or who have attended civil aviation universities and
colleges in the State of Arizona." Read the entire Phoenix Memo at:
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/serialset/creports/911.html
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: "[T]he photo of the man in the newspaper was not the
Aaron Stokes they had come to know, [a member of Peace Fresno]. He was
actually Deputy Aaron Kilner. And he had infiltrated their group."

"Aaron Kilner, 27, who joined the force in June 1999 and had been
assigned the last 18 months to the anti-terrorist team under the
vice-intelligence unit, apparently was killed instantly when his blue
Yamaha motorcycle slammed into the right front side of a 1999 Buick,
Fresno police said." Louis Galvan, "Crash Kills Off-Duty Detective,
Victim Joined Fresno County Force in 1999," Fresno Bee, August 31,
2003.
"It remains unclear why the Fresno County Sheriff's Department
infiltrated the peace group there, but Pierce said his department's
actions were legal. ĹWe can be anywhere we want to that's open to the
public,' Pierce said in a telephone interview from his Fresno office."
Sam Stanton and Emily Bazar, "More Scrutiny of Peace Groups, Public
Safety Justifies Surveillance Since 9/11, Authorities Say," Sacramento
Bee, November 9, 2003.
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: Barry Reingold's story.

"Then there's San Franciscan Barry Reingold, who was awakened from his
afternoon nap by a buzzing intercom on Oct. 23. He called down to the
street to find out who it was. ĹThe FBI,' was the response. He buzzed
the two men up, but decided to meet them in the hall. ĹI was a little
bit shaken up,' says Mr. Reingold. ĹI mean, why would the FBI be
interested in me, a 60-year-old retired phone company worker?' When
they asked if he worked out at a certain gym, he realized the reason
behind the visit. The gym is where he lifts weights -- and expounds on
his political views." Kris Axtman, "Political Dissent Can Bring
Federal Agents to Door," Christian Science Monitor, January 8, 2002.
See also, Sam Stanton, Emily Bazar, "Security Collides With Civil
Rights, War On Terrorism Has Unforeseen Results," Modesto Bee,
September 28, 2003.

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: Congress did not read the Patriot Act before voting
on it.

"Later that morning [of October 12], the House voted 337-79 to pass
the bill. The outraged dissenters complained that no one could
possibly have had the time to read the enormously complex 342-page law
that amended fifteen different federal statutes and that had only been
printed out hours before." Steven Brill, After; How America Confronted
the September 12 Era, (Simon & Schuster, NY: 2003).

"Many lawmakers were outraged that a bipartisan bill, which had passed
the Judiciary Committee by a unanimous vote, was set aside for
legislation negotiated at the last minute by a very small group.
Members rose to say that almost no one had read the new bill, and
pleaded for more time and more deliberation.... Asked about complaints
that lawmakers were being asked to vote on a bill that they had not
read, the chairman of the Rules Committee, Representative David
Dreier, Republican of California, replied, ĹIt's not unprecedented.'"
Robin Toner & Neil A. Lewis, "House Passes Terrorism Bill Much Like
Senate's, but With 5-Year Limit," The New York Times, October 13,
2001.
See also film footage of Congressmen Conyers and McDermott.

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: Transportation Security Agency says it's okay to take
four books of matches and two butane lighters in your pockets as you
board an airplane.

"Consistent with Department of Transportation regulations for
hazardous materials, passengers also are permitted to carry no more
than four books of matches (other than strike anywhere matches) and no
more than two lighters for individual use, if the lighters are fueled
with liquefied gas (BIC-or Colibri-type) or absorbed liquid
(Zippo-type).'' 49 CFR 1540;
http://www.tsa.gov/interweb/assetlibrary/68_FR_9902.pdf
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: "Thanks to the budget cuts, Trooper Kenyon had to
come in on his day off to catch up on some paperwork."

"Budget cuts that laid off 129 Oregon State Police officers earlier
this year have left a single trooper to cover the 1,400-square-mile
territory and 100 miles of state roads around this city on Oregon's
central coast." "Layoffs Leave Oregon Trooper Alone in Big Coastal
Territory," Seattle Times, October 6, 2003.
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: "On March 19th, 2003, George W. Bush and the United
States military invaded Iraq, which had never attacked or threatened
to attack the United States. A nation that had never murdered a single
American citizen."

"Iraq has never threatened nor been implicated in any attack against
U.S. territory and the CIA has reported no Iraqi-sponsored attacks
against American interests since 1991." Stephen Zunes, "An Annotated
Overview of the Foreign Policy Segments of President George W. Bush's
State of the Union Address," Foreign Policy In Focus, January 29,
2003. Segments of President George W. Bush's State of the Union
Address," Foreign Policy In Focus, January 29, 2003

"Iraq never threatened U.S.security. Bush officials cynically attacked
a villainous country because they knew it was easier than finding the
real 9/11 villain, who had no country. And now they're hoist on their
own canard." Maureen Dowd, "We're Not Happy Campers," The New York
Times, September 11, 2003.

"Iraq never threatened the US, let alone Australia. The basic
consideration was and remains the perception of America's wider
strategic interest in the Middle East." Richard Woolcott, "Thread bare
Basis To The Homespun Yarn That Led Us Into Iraq," Sydney Morning
Herald, November 26, 2003Ś(Woolcott was Australia's Secretary of the
Department of Foreign Affairs And Trade during the first Gulf War.)

For definition of murder of civilians (as opposed to combatants), see
Article 3 of the Geneva Convention . ("For persons taking no active
part in the hostilities, the following acts are and shall remain
prohibited at any time (a) Violence to life and person, in particular
murder of all kinds.")

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: The Coalition of the Willing included Palau, Costa
Rica, Iceland, Romania, The Netherlands, and Afghanistan.

White House list of Coalition members, March 20th, 2003:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/03/print/20030320-11.html

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: Morocco , according to one report, offered to send
2,000 monkeys to help detonate landmines.

"The administration has even turned to the animal kingdom for help in
the war. First came the dolphins, those really smart mammals recruited
to help clear mines at the Iraqi port of Umm Qasr. Then came word that
Morocco was offering 2,000 monkeys to help detonate land mines." Al
Kamen, "They Got the ĹSlov' Part Right," Washington Post, March 28,
2003.

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: "The government would not allow any cameras to show
the coffins coming home."

"For the past 13 years, the Pentagon has barred reporters from
witnessing the transport of soldiers' flag-draped coffins to Dover Air
Force Base in Delaware." Amanda Ripley, "An Image of Grief Returns,"
Time, May 3, 2004.

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: "At the end of January, of '04, the unemployment rate
in Flint was actually 17 percent."

Flint City, Jan 04, Unemployment Rate, 17.0%. Office of Labor Market
Information, Michigan State Government.
http://www.michlmi.org/LMI/lmadata/laus/lausdocs/049lf04.htm
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: Bush "proposed cutting the soldiers' combat bonus pay
33 percent and assistance to their families by 60 percent."

The Bush administration announced that it would roll-back Ĺmodest'
increases of benefits to troops. The Army Times noted, "the
administration announced that on Oct. 1 it wants to roll back recent
modest increases in monthly imminent-danger from $225 to $150 (a cut
of 33%) and family-separation allowances from $250 to $100 (a cut of
60%) for troops getting shot at in combat zones."
http://www.armytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292259-1989240.php

"Thanks to a law passed this year, troops in Iraq, Afghanistan and
other high-risk areas now receive $225 a month in supplemental pay.
That's an increase of $75 from the previous amount for combat pay.
Under that same law, soldiers who have been forced to leave behind
spouses and children receive $250 a month in additional separation pay
to help cover child care and other additional expenses caused by
assignment overseas. That's an increase of $150 over the previous
supplement. ... In its 2004 budget request, the Pentagon asked
Congress to cut both combat pay and separation pay back to the
previous levels." "Our Opinions: Proposal to Reduce Pay No Way to
Salute Military," Atlanta Journal Constitution, August 15, 2003.

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: "He proposed cutting $1.3 billion in veterans' health
care and closing seven veteran's hospitals. He tried to double the
prescription drug costs for veterans and opposed full benefits for
part time reservist."

"On Nov. 12, the Office of Management & Budget opposed restoring $1.3
billion in funding for Veterans Administration hospitals that the
House Appropriations Committee had cut. ''It's as if they're not even
aware [that] there's a war on terror going on,' says Steve Thomas, an
American Legion spokesman and Navy vet who notes casualties in Iraq
could make demand for VA services soar." Stan Crock in Washington,
with William C. Symonds in Boston, "Will The Troops Salute Bush In
'04?," Business Week, December 8, 2003.

"The White House had expressed its Ĺstrong opposition' to the Senate's
effort to expand military health benefits to reservists and National
Guard members, and boost 'veterans' health care spending by $1.3
billion." Jonathan Weisman, "Bush Aides Threaten Veto of Iraqi Aid
Measure," Washington Post, October 22, 2003.

In early 2003, the Bush administration announced that it was closing
"seven of its 163 veteran's hospitals in an effort to Ĺrestructure'
the Department of Veterans Affairs." Suzanne Gamboa, "VA Proposes
Overhaul, 13 Facilities Would Close or See Major Changes," Associated
Press, August 4, 2003.

In 2003, the Bush administration proposed increasing prescription drug
costs for veterans, a proposal that would have doubled the cost of
prescription drugs. "The Bush plan would have included a new $250
enrollment fee and a co-pay increase from $7 to $15 for veterans
earning over $24,000." The House amended the proposal to reject the
Bush administration's fee increases and to recoup the $264 million in
costs by reducing administrative funding for the VA. "Panel Rejects
Extra Funds for AmeriCorps," Washington Post, July 22, 2003.

"The Bush administration is flatly opposed to giving the Guard and
Reserve access to the Pentagon's health system." Opinion, The Daily
News Leader (Staunton, VA), October 25, 2003.
"U.S. Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., has helped push a bill through the
Senate to improve the health care benefits of Guard and Reserve
members. This bill has had broad bipartisan support since it was
introduced in May. Last week Graham had his health care plan attached
as an amendment to the $87 billion supplemental appropriations bill
that President Bush is seeking to pay for ongoing operations in Iraq
and Afghanistan. The House should take up the amendment next week.
Strangely, the Bush administration has opposed this new benefit for
Guard and Reserve members, arguing that it would be too expensive."
Staff, "Helping our Guard and Reserve," The Greenville News, October
16, 2003.

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: Nearly 5,000 wounded in the war.

"A year ago at this time, more than 160 American soldiers had been
killed in Iraq. The total since has risen to more than 800, and last
week the Pentagon reported that the number wounded in action is
approaching 4,700." Pete Yost, "Bush Hails U.S. War Dead and
Veterans," Associated Press, June 1, 2004.
FAHRENHEIT 9/11: "Out of the 535 members of Congress, only one had an
enlisted son in Iraq."

"Only four of the 535 members of Congress have children in the
military; only one, Sen. Tim Johnson, D-S.D., has a child who fought
in Iraq." Kevin Horrigan, "Hired Guns," St. Louis Post-Dispatch, May
11, 2003.

[Timothy Horrigan]

thisisonl...@yahoo.co.nz (Brett Dale) wrote in message news:<5489eb.040720...@posting.google.com>...
> pwal...@hotmail.com (pwalsh67) wrote in message > Factual Back-Up For Fahrenheit 9/11: Section One

>
>
> Section One covers the facts in Fahrenheit 9/11 from the 2000 election
> to George W. Bush's extended visit to Booker Elementary on the morning
> of September 11th.
>
>

Usually the pro-Bush arguments comes down to 3 factors.

1. 9/11: Moore does address this one.

2 & 3: Sadaam Hussein and Bill Clinton: Moore pretty much ignores both
these guys, choosing instead to make a movie which is strictly about
Bush II and his wars. He deliberately condemns Bush II for lying
while dismissing the fact that Clinton also told lies. He also feels
free to condemn the Saudis and Bush for being corrupt while not even
getting into the fact that Sadaam was corrupt!

[MykeCol]

Thank God for people like Linda Ronstadt, who are willing to speak their minds.
The fact that you call her "a big fat communist cow" tells me all I need to
know about you.

-- Mike in DC

["MIDIcian" (tm)]

And American citizens have the right of protest. Check out the first
amendment.

Stan

[Bill T.]

That's what the hotel guests were doing to her, you POS!

[Bigolhomo]

I don't know that breaking stuff is considered a protest.

Bigolhomo

[Hanity]

Bigolhomo wrote:

When it happens to be blacks, you liberals fall all over yourself to
blame everyone else for their barbaric behavior.

["MIDIcian" (tm)]

"Hanity" <fairand...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:36oLc.2659$BX.2514@lakeread08...

> When it happens to be blacks, you liberals fall all over yourself to
> blame everyone else for their barbaric behavior.

Straw man (aimed at blacks) and a red-herring (designed to distract from the
failures of the "vast right-wing conspiracy".)

Stan

[NoRepliesPleeze]

>From: mykecol@

>The fact that you call her "a big fat communist cow" tells me all I need to
>know about you.<

He's a former Russian rancher ? :)

[Bigolhomo]

I've never voted in my life and could give a flying fuck about
politics. I'm just smart enough to know that breaking stuff isn't
really protest, it's just breaking stuff. And smart enough to not
assume I know somebody's political views from one sentence.

Bigolhomo

[Twinslo]

"\"MIDIcian\" \(tm\)" <St...@NeverFalls.com> wrote in message news:<cdl8db$6u1$0...@pita.alt.net>...

Straw man argument/attack.

[~^Johnny^~]

On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 17:30:47 GMT, Bigolhomo <br...@noparticulardomain.com>
wrote:

>I've never voted in my life and could give a flying fuck about

>politics. I'm just smart enough...

And I'm smart enough to recognize an anarchist by one written paragraph... er,
I mean, sentence.

--
-john
wide-open at throttle dot info

~~~~~~
"Smith did such an impressive job you expected Twain
to give her the hook at any moment"
-Larry Pynn, Vancouver Sun.
http://www.bobbi-smith.com/
~~~~~~

[Bobby Fischler]

"\"MIDIcian\" \(tm\)" <St...@NeverFalls.com> wrote in message news:<cdkqs1$3n1$0...@pita.alt.net>...

> And American citizens have the right of protest. Check out the first
> amendment.
>
>
> Stan

Why are all the liberal kooks all fat tubs of crap: Natalie Dixie
Slut, Linda, Michael Moore, Al Franken, Ben & Jerry. Maybe fat old
Linda can marry Michael Moore.

[Bob Curtin]

On 23 Jul 2004 10:25:09 -0700, franc...@yahoo.co.nz (Bobby
Fischler) wrote:

Jeez! That conjures up visions I never ever wanted to imagine. Two
huge blobs of quivering blubber trying to procreate! Ghastly.

Bob Curtin

[Bobby Fischler]

pwal...@hotmail.com (pwalsh67) wrote in message news:<b0085f1f.04072...@posting.google.com>...

She is fat slob & a parrot for the liberals like Natalie "Dixie Chick"
Slut, Whoopie Goldberg, Michael Moore, Teddy Kennedy, Al Franken, Ben
& Jerry, the list is endless.

[Gladys Friday]

Bobby Fischler wrote:
>
> Why are all the liberal kooks all fat tubs of crap

I give up. Why?

[Hound Dog]

"Bobby Fischler" <franc...@yahoo.co.nz> wrote in message
news:ae681794.0407...@posting.google.com...

Yep! You're correct. The list IS endless and those on that list, like all
reasoning people, will be voting against nut-case Bush come November.

[A. Dulcimer]

On 23 Jul 2004 11:27:33 -0700, franc...@yahoo.co.nz (Bobby
Fischler) wrote:

LOL!!
This is the only argument the neo-cons . Oh! yeah ! She or he is fat!!

What a pathetic bunch of immature little bushbot assholes we have
posting here.

Pathetic.

--

"It is not possible to find a leader more foolish then Bush, who deals
with matters by force rather than wisdom. Kerry will kill our nation
while it sleeps because he and the Democrats have the cunning to
embellish blasphemy and present it to the Arab and Muslim nations as
civilisation. Because of this we desire Bush to be elected."

al Qaeda statement, 3/17/04

[Rockabi101]

>Why are all the liberal kooks all fat tubs of crap: Natalie Dixie Slut, Linda,
Michael Moore, Al Franken, Ben & Jerry. Maybe fat old Linda can marry Michael
Moore.
>

What about liberals like Emmylou Harris? Some of the most intelligent, classy
and beautiful women in the world are liberals.

[~^Johnny^~]

Q: What sound does a blob of liberal poop make when it hits the floor?

A: =GOP!=

On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:35:45 -0400, Gladys Friday <gladys...@happyhour.net>
wrote:

>Bobby Fischler wrote:
>>
>> Why are all the liberal kooks all fat tubs of crap
>
>I give up. Why?

--

[Bobby Fischler]

Gladys Friday <gladys...@happyhour.net> wrote in message news:<41015A81...@happyhour.net>...

> Bobby Fischler wrote:
> >
> > Why are all the liberal kooks all fat tubs of crap
>
> I give up. Why?

Try zero discipline to start.

[Gladys Friday]

Rockabi101 wrote:
>
> What about liberals like Emmylou Harris? Some of the most intelligent, classy
> and beautiful women in the world are liberals.

"Intelligent liberal" is an oxymoron, moron. :)

[Gladys Friday]

That's a pretty good start. What else?

[~^Johnny^~]

On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 19:35:12 -0400, Gladys Friday <gladys...@happyhour.net>
wrote:

>Rockabi101 wrote:

So is "criminal justice", but I see they let you go loose.

[Gladys Friday]

~^Johnny^~ wrote:
>
> So is "criminal justice", but I see they let you go loose.

Who are "they"?

[XSweetSue]

She is fat slob & a parrot for the liberals like Natalie "Dixie Chick"
Slut, Whoopie Goldberg, Michael Moore, Teddy Kennedy, Al Franken, Ben
& Jerry, the list is endless.

what's with you bushbots that you have to resort to mocking and insulting a
person's looks rather than address the issues?

[XSweetSue]

Why are all the liberal kooks all fat tubs of crap: Natalie Dixie
Slut, Linda, Michael Moore, Al Franken, Ben & Jerry. Maybe fat old
Linda can marry Michael Moore.

oh grow the hell up !!!

[Barbara Sherrill]

"XSweetSue" <xswe...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040723225152...@mb-m15.aol.com...

Learn to post!! The way you post, it looks like you are talking to yourself!

[Barbara Sherrill]

"XSweetSue" <xswe...@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20040723225021...@mb-m15.aol.com...

There you go fighting with yourself again. Can't you make up your mind what
*side* you are on?

Learn how to post right....

["MIDIcian" (tm)]

"Bobby Fischler" <franc...@yahoo.co.nz> wrote in message
news:ae681794.0407...@posting.google.com...

I'm sorry vice-President Cheney, what did you say?

["MIDIcian" (tm)]

"Gladys Friday" <gladys...@happyhour.net> wrote in message

news:4101C20B...@happyhour.net...
> Who are "they"?

You.

Stan,
www.thesequencers.us/DarkSide
'Us and Them'

[XSweetSue]

with the moronic bushbots here, I may as well be talking ( or posting) to
myself...

[XSweetSue]

> She is fat slob & a parrot for the liberals like Natalie "Dixie Chick"
> Slut, Whoopie Goldberg, Michael Moore, Teddy Kennedy, Al Franken, Ben
> & Jerry, the list is endless.
>
> what's with you bushbots that you have to resort to mocking and insulting
a
> person's looks rather than address the issues?

There you go fighting with yourself again. Can't you make up your mind what
*side* you are on?

Learn how to post right...

...or post left or post upside down...I shall post as I see fit. If it's a
problem with you, killfile me :) be my guest.
Linda Ronstadt will always be a most talented artist.

[Barbara Sherrill]

"XSweetSue" <xswe...@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20040724120450...@mb-m12.aol.com...

There you go again. Try to have the persons name at the top when replying
and make sure it's the RIGHT person.

Make sure your post is clear to everyone reading it.. the way you did this..
You were answering yourself again.

I was fustrated with the world last night and got upset with your postings.
Sorry about that....

have >>> on the other person post and you post under that... You replied to
my rant post and I couldn't figure out what was yours or someone elses...

[XSweetSue]

> >
> > Why are all the liberal kooks all fat tubs of crap: Natalie Dixie
> > Slut, Linda, Michael Moore, Al Franken, Ben & Jerry. Maybe fat old
> > Linda can marry Michael Moore.
> >
> > oh grow the hell up !!!
>
> Learn to post!! The way you post, it looks like you are talking to
yourself!
>
> with the moronic bushbots here, I may as well be talking ( or posting) to
> myself...

There you go again. Try to have the persons name at the top when replying
and make sure it's the RIGHT person.

Make sure your post is clear to everyone reading it.. the way you did this..
You were answering yourself again.

are you the self-appointed school marm here?

[Barbara Sherrill]

"XSweetSue" <xswe...@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20040724163227...@mb-m18.aol.com...

trying to make it easier on everyone; including yourself. The way you post
it looks like you are having a one sided conversation..... forgive me for
trying to help you... trying to make it easier to read for all....

[Peter H Proctor]

On 23 Jul 2004 16:06:40 -0700, franc...@yahoo.co.nz (Bobby
Fischler) wrote:

Showing my age: When Linda Ronstadt started out with the Stone Ponies
in her early 20's, she was fatter than she is right now. She later
slimmed down considerably and stayed that way for quite a while. Age
fattened her up, as it does most of us.

PHP

[james]

In article <ae681794.04072...@posting.google.com>,

And where does that leave opiate-addicted right wing fascists?

[Rick and Debbie Caudill]

What I don't understand is if she is heavier, big deal, does it change
her talent or her voice any? Nope......so it's silly to even discuss
it......who cares what someone looks like, or how they're built, it's
their talent that matters.

[Morton Davis]

"Rick and Debbie Caudill" <d.ca...@fuse.net> wrote in message
news:l0s5g05hl98ngi9df...@4ax.com...

When they stick to it.

-*MORT*-

[mslinda]

Woman haters always drag out the "fat and ugly" rant against strong
women who disagree with them. Many batterers call their victems fat even
if they're not. It does show the vile hate in their souls, doesn't it?

Linda C.

[Barbara Sherrill]

"mslinda" <msl...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:41030BDC...@earthlink.net...

Yea it does and the sad thing is women haters come in all shapes, size,
forms and lifestyles. Too bad the women haters are not all fat men with pig
noses that we can easily see.

[Rick and Debbie Caudill]

>>
>> What I don't understand is if she is heavier, big deal, does it change
>> her talent or her voice any? Nope......so it's silly to even discuss
>> it......who cares what someone looks like, or how they're built, it's
>> their talent that matters.
>>
>
>Woman haters always drag out the "fat and ugly" rant against strong
>women who disagree with them. Many batterers call their victems fat even
>if they're not. It does show the vile hate in their souls, doesn't it?
>
>Linda C.

I get sick of hearing about how women should be stick thin......ya
know I manage a Subway, it's well known that young teenage girls, well
teens in particular love Subway so I get alot in there.....these
little girls come in, and for the most part, basically eat turkey subs
with just lettuce, when ya ask if they want mayo or cheese, these
skinny little things tell ya, no, I gotta lose weight......it's just
sickening to watch them destroy themselves. And it's all because
nowadays that's the image of a woman, what they see on tv.....thin,
anorexic looking women.......

And your right Linda......my ex, who was abusive used that routine all
the time despite the fact that I was never fat or really
overweight....of course batterers do that to keep their victims
there...they know if they convince you that you're fat, that no one
else will want you....it's emotional abuse.

[Rick and Debbie Caudill]

LOL,, most of the men I've heard who are constantly talking about a
womans weight are ugly or overweight themselves......and have very low
self esteem........they have to control the woman and emotionally
abuse the woman so that they feel more macho.........

[mslinda]

Rick and Debbie Caudill wrote:

>>>What I don't understand is if she is heavier, big deal, does it change
>>>her talent or her voice any? Nope......so it's silly to even discuss
>>>it......who cares what someone looks like, or how they're built, it's
>>>their talent that matters.
>>>
>>
>>Woman haters always drag out the "fat and ugly" rant against strong
>>women who disagree with them. Many batterers call their victems fat even
>>if they're not. It does show the vile hate in their souls, doesn't it?
>>
>>Linda C.
>
> I get sick of hearing about how women should be stick thin......ya
> know I manage a Subway, it's well known that young teenage girls, well
> teens in particular love Subway so I get alot in there.....these
> little girls come in, and for the most part, basically eat turkey subs
> with just lettuce, when ya ask if they want mayo or cheese, these
> skinny little things tell ya, no, I gotta lose weight......it's just
> sickening to watch them destroy themselves. And it's all because
> nowadays that's the image of a woman, what they see on tv.....thin,
> anorexic looking women.......
>

Those girls are going to have osteoporosis when they get older because
they're not getting what it takes to build their bones.

> And your right Linda......my ex, who was abusive used that routine all
> the time despite the fact that I was never fat or really
> overweight....of course batterers do that to keep their victims
> there...they know if they convince you that you're fat, that no one
> else will want you....it's emotional abuse.
>

Sadly, you're right on that one.

Linda C.

[~^Johnny^~]

On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 17:24:38 -0500, Peter H Proctor <d...@drproctor.com> wrote:

You are partly correct. You show our ignorance, here.
When Silk Purse came out, Linda was pleasingly plump.
No arguments there! She was sitting in a pigsty (literally).
She looked good. In teh late '70s, she had slimmed down considerably.
She still looked good, however. Now, she looks good as ever, ATC.
You see, she suffers from Hashimoto's disease. It attacks the thyroids.
Metabolism swings like a pendulum. Weight does on, but doesn't come off that
readily, before it goes on again. EVEN SO, Linda looks pretty darn good at
58!

And now, that it seems that the media may have misquoted her, I am already
befuddled enough. PLease don't add to it.

Hashimoto's syndrome is no laughing matter. Linda will have to deal with it
for the rest of her life. PLease don't add your negative insults to her
dealings.

YEs, I'm befuddled. I'm not really sure WHAT Linda actually said, that
night in Las Vegas. Lord help me.

-----
And, Stanley Rosenthal, before you get any ideas, STFU!
It was a knee-jerk reaction. LIVE WITH IT!
No "straw man" argument about it!
-----

I still love Linda.
THERE'S NO GETTING OVER IT!

Long Live Linda!

--
-john
wide-open at throttle dot info

~~~~~~~~
I don't know of anybody that has a perfect life
- Marie Osmond
~~~~~~~~

[~^Johnny^~]

Agreed!

Rita rules! What pipes!

http://www.ritamacneil.com/

--
-john
wide-open at throttle dot info

~~~~~~

[~^Johnny^~]

On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 02:55:49 GMT, mslinda <msl...@earthlink.net> wrote:

>Those girls are going to have osteoporosis when they get older because
>they're not getting what it takes to build their bones.

That's right!

Principally, they are getting too much protein.
Worst, is uncomplemented proteins, since amino acids, in excess, block
calcium reuptake in the nephrons. The more excess amino acids, the more
acidic the kidneys, which, ironically, makes it more alkaline in the
tubules (ammonia). Calcium is finiky. If the kidneys are too busy dumping
ammonia, calcium goes out with it. It is not reabsorbed - it is depleted.
No amount of dietary calcium supplement will offset this effect. Osteoporosis
is imminent. Therefore, [especially] older women should limit their protein!

Don't believe me? Google!

Dr. Atkins is a heretic.
His diet KILLS.
HEED this warning.

--
-john
wide-open at throttle dot info

~~~~~~~~
A little knowledge that acts is worth infinitely
more than much knowledge that is idle. -Kahlil Gibran
~~~~~~~~

["MIDIcian" (tm)]

The "~^Johnny^~" <nos...@gyrogearloose.com> right-wing extremist ~rolly~
~polly~ <x head "flame baits" -

["MIDIcian" (tm)]

"~^Johnny^~" <nos...@gyrogearloose.com> wrote in message
news:vu96g0tc95g4gjffo...@4ax.com...
> Rita rules!

Rhonstadt rules.

Stan

[XSweetSue]

What I don't understand is if she is heavier, big deal, does it change
her talent or her voice any? Nope......so it's silly to even discuss
it......who cares what someone looks like, or how they're built, it's
their talent that matters.

why is it that almost every female artist is expected to be sexy & beautiful as
well as talented...ooops ! even talent can be a non-issue. Look at all the hype
surrounding Shania and all her awards. IMHO Linda Ronstadt has a much better
voice.

[XSweetSue]

>
LOL,, most of the men I've heard who are constantly talking about a
womans weight are ugly or overweight themselves......and have very low
self esteem........they have to control the woman and emotionally
abuse the woman so that they feel more macho.........

>> thats all around women from all directions ! stand at the supermarket
checkout and observe the same old #$%^ in "women's " magazines about " how to
lose 15 lbs. in 5 days.." I remember seeing those same stories standing in line
w/my own mother 40 years ago ! Now Iam called a feminazi for pointing these
little facts out by those who want to keep women down.

["MIDIcian" (tm)]

"XSweetSue" <xswe...@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20040725002202...@mb-m02.aol.com...

> IMHO Linda Ronstadt has a much better
> voice.

I don't know about that. I think she just has a larger range *IN HER
VOCALS* (just so no-one thinks this is some kind of 'Fat' joke. ;-) )

Stan

[XSweetSue]

On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 02:55:49 GMT, mslinda <msl...@earthlink.net> wrote:

>Those girls are going to have osteoporosis when they get older because
>they're not getting what it takes to build their bones.

That's right!

Principally, they are getting too much protein.
Worst, is uncomplemented proteins, since amino acids, in excess, block
calcium reuptake in the nephrons. The more excess amino acids, the more
acidic the kidneys, which, ironically, makes it more alkaline in the
tubules (ammonia). Calcium is finiky. If the kidneys are too busy dumping
ammonia, calcium goes out with it. It is not reabsorbed - it is depleted.
No amount of dietary calcium supplement will offset this effect. Osteoporosis
is imminent. Therefore, [especially] older women should limit their protein!

who cares as long as women are considered eye candy to men <NOT>

[Rick and Debbie Caudill]

On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 02:55:49 GMT, mslinda <msl...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

>>>Linda C.
>>
>> I get sick of hearing about how women should be stick thin......ya
>> know I manage a Subway, it's well known that young teenage girls, well
>> teens in particular love Subway so I get alot in there.....these
>> little girls come in, and for the most part, basically eat turkey subs
>> with just lettuce, when ya ask if they want mayo or cheese, these
>> skinny little things tell ya, no, I gotta lose weight......it's just
>> sickening to watch them destroy themselves. And it's all because
>> nowadays that's the image of a woman, what they see on tv.....thin,
>> anorexic looking women.......
>>
>Those girls are going to have osteoporosis when they get older because
>they're not getting what it takes to build their bones.

Not only that, but it's sort of an emotional thing also......think of
the girls who cannot get that slim, they're destined to a life of name
calling because they cannot be anorexic.......

>
>> And your right Linda......my ex, who was abusive used that routine all
>> the time despite the fact that I was never fat or really
>> overweight....of course batterers do that to keep their victims
>> there...they know if they convince you that you're fat, that no one
>> else will want you....it's emotional abuse.
>>
>Sadly, you're right on that one.
>
>Linda C.
>

Been there, done that, got the tshirt.........

[Rick and Debbie Caudill]

I can only assume that it stems from Entertainment people on tv and in
the movies and models who are reed thin. They're reed thin, so
therefore the rest of us should be........

What I can't understand is why it's socially acceptable for a man to
be overweight but not a woman......

Deb-shaking her head.

[~^Johnny^~]

My DW and I are both overweight.

Acceptance? We have our problems, but "fat acceptance"
bears little weight on our issues. :-)

In a nutshell: Our weight is about THE LAST THING we have to worry about.

There is more than one way to spell "waistline".

...yeah, we gotta get that down, too.

--
-john
wide-open at throttle dot info

~~~~~~~~

[XSweetSue]

What I can't understand is why it's socially acceptable for a man to
be overweight but not a woman......

Deb-shaking her head.

it comes down to $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
females, esp. young impressionable ones, buy LOTS of cosmetics and clothes,
watch MTV and read Cosmo.
Not all do this, however but peer pressure and a desire to be accepted and male
attention plus hormones...and the advertizers zoom in on this like a laser beam
and there you have it.
Eating disorders often follow the chain of events.
Meat is for men and bones are for DOGS!

[Rick and Debbie Caudill]

Long as you're both happy, that should be all that matters!

[~^Johnny^~]

On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 16:09:12 -0400, Rick and Debbie Caudill
<d.ca...@fuse.net> wrote:

I'm not really overweight that =much=. :-)

A few pounds (literally). I must confess, I was prodding the fat-bashers.
Anything for a diversionary small talk. :-) My email box, just in this past
few days, has been flooded with hundreds and hundreds of messages re: Linda
Ronstadt and the Aladdin... it was getting ridiculous!

Crazy, because I was getting ready to filter by subject line, and Ronstadt
would be about the second artist I have killfiled in here (I filtered Dixie
Chicks a couple of years back, just to restore sanity to my inbox). Just too
ironic...

--
-john
wide-open at throttle dot info

~~~~~~

[Rick and Debbie Caudill]

On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 14:11:19 -0700, ~^Johnny^~
<nos...@gyrogearloose.com> wrote:

>>>In a nutshell: Our weight is about THE LAST THING we have to worry about.
>>>
>>>There is more than one way to spell "waistline".
>>>
>>>...yeah, we gotta get that down, too.
>>Long as you're both happy, that should be all that matters!
>
>
>I'm not really overweight that =much=. :-)
>
>A few pounds (literally). I must confess, I was prodding the fat-bashers.
>Anything for a diversionary small talk. :-) My email box, just in this past
>few days, has been flooded with hundreds and hundreds of messages re: Linda
>Ronstadt and the Aladdin... it was getting ridiculous!
>
>
>Crazy, because I was getting ready to filter by subject line, and Ronstadt
>would be about the second artist I have killfiled in here (I filtered Dixie
>Chicks a couple of years back, just to restore sanity to my inbox). Just too
>ironic...

Right now I'm about 10lbs less than I was when I was a senior in high
school......so after all these years if I stick around this weight, I
figger I'm supposed to be the way I am.....I would like to lose about
20 though......

Yeah I attempted to killfile the politics shit, but there's
tooooooooooo many words! LOL

["MIDIcian" (tm)]

"~^Johnny^~" <nos...@gyrogearloose.com> wrote in message

news:16sag01viiufdjk10...@4ax.com...

> Crazy, because I was getting ready to filter by subject line, and
Ronstadt
> would be about the second artist I have killfiled in here (I filtered
Dixie
> Chicks a couple of years back, just to restore sanity to my inbox). Just
too
> ironic...

"Hiding people, with your heads in the ground
Hey brother, where you bound
Say brother, where you bound" - Supertramp

[~^Johnny^~]

"It so logical..."

["MIDIcian" (tm)]

"~^Johnny^~", part of the "vast crime of the century" (tm) -

> On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 23:00:29 -0500, "\"MIDIcian\" \(tm\)"
> <St...@NeverFalls.com> wrote:
>
> >"~^Johnny^~" <nos...@gyrogearloose.com> wrote in message
> >news:16sag01viiufdjk10...@4ax.com...
> >> Crazy, because I was getting ready to filter by subject line, and
> >Ronstadt
> >> would be about the second artist I have killfiled in here (I filtered
> >Dixie
> >> Chicks a couple of years back, just to restore sanity to my inbox).
Just
> >too
> >> ironic...
> >
> >"Hiding people, with your heads in the ground
> >Hey brother, where you bound
> >Say brother, where you bound" - Supertramp
>
> "It so logical..."

"It's digital" - Supertramp ('The Logical Song') (StanNote: Listen
carefully to that song for that line, it's towards the end, from my
recollection.)

Stan,
www.thesequencers.us
"And, 1 AND 1 don't make 2
1 AND 1 make 1" - the Who

["MIDIcian" (tm)]

Let me tell you something I know about Texas cowboys: they're open-minded.

I know this because I'm a Texas hippie.

Stan
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"\"MIDIcian\" \(tm\)" <St...@NeverFalls.com> wrote in message news:<cea25r$n3q$0...@pita.alt.net>...

> Let me tell you something I know about Texas cowboys: they're open-minded.
>
> I know this because I'm a Texas hippie.
>
>
> Stan
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>

Straw man(s)

[SiskoKids Fan]

On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 00:32:46 -0500, "\"MIDIcian\" \(tm\)"
<St...@NeverFalls.com> wrote:

> I'm a Texas hippie.

And all this time I thought you were just an
alternative-country-techno-geek. :-)

--
-john
wide-open at throttle dot info

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