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Jennifer Grucza

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There's always so many discussions of what the top violin, cello, and
piano concertos are, but I never see any about the unjustly neglected
viola. So how about listing your top 10 or so favorite VIOLA
concertos? :) It might give me an idea about what to play next!

Here's a few of mine, in no particular order (and they aren't
necessarily real concertos, but they're viola solo with orchestra,
close enough).

Berlioz Harold in Italy
Bartok
Bruch Romanze
Walton
Joseph Jongen Suite
Hindemith Der Schwanendreher

arg, there must be more I know.. there's also Telemann, Stamitz,
Hoffmeister, Weber, I guess, among others.

Jennifer


Pelleas

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May 8, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/8/98
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This are the others interesting viola concerto of the XX century
The more interesting are ZIMMERMANN and SCHNITTKE
and TOMASI (no CD)

HINDEMITH musique de concert pour alto
HOLST lyric movement for viola
LEMELAND concerto pour alto & cordes
MARTIN Frank ballade pour alto et orchestre
MARTINU rapsodie concertante alto & orch
MILHAUD concertino d'été
MILHAUD concerto pour alto & orch n°1
MILHAUD concerto pour alto & orch n°2
SCHMITT légende pour alto & orch
SCHNITTKE concerto pour alto et orch
TOMASI concerto pour alto et orch
VAUGHAN WILLIAMS Suite for viola and orch
ZIMMERMANN Antiphonen pour alto et orch

--
With best regards from PARIS .
Claude MICHEL
those happy, few lovers of rare music who are interested in out of print
French classical music of the golden age"

Jennifer Grucza <jgr...@mit.edu> a écrit dans l'article
<6it3kf$9...@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>...

Bryan Ho

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Jennifer Grucza <jgr...@mit.edu> wrote:
: There's always so many discussions of what the top violin, cello, and

: piano concertos are, but I never see any about the unjustly neglected
: viola. So how about listing your top 10 or so favorite VIOLA
: concertos? :) It might give me an idea about what to play next!

: Here's a few of mine, in no particular order (and they aren't
: necessarily real concertos, but they're viola solo with orchestra,
: close enough).

: Berlioz Harold in Italy
: Bartok
: Bruch Romanze
: Walton
: Joseph Jongen Suite
: Hindemith Der Schwanendreher

: arg, there must be more I know.. there's also Telemann, Stamitz,
: Hoffmeister, Weber, I guess, among others.

: Jennifer

Are there even 10 viola concertos? (Just kidding, I'm a violist
myself). The sad thing is, the most well-known one that I know is the
Telemann viola concerto in C major. Oh well, I guess you can take any of
the violin concertos and transcribe it a fifth down (I actually had to do
this for an audition).

Bryan


Rob Barnett

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The viola - one of my favourite instruments

best concertos?

Walton
Arthur Benjamin (this awaits first recording) it is an arrangemetn of
his voila sonata and is also known as Overture Elegy and Scherzo.
Bax's Phantasy for viola and orchestra is a concerto

A completely unknown quantity but likely to be good is the viola
concerto by William Henry Bell - Brit expatriate who lived in S Africa.

Try also Gosta Nystroem's Viola Concerto on BIS CD
There is an Allan Pettersson Concerto as well.

Rob


Mario Taboada

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Harbison
Martinu
Walton
Bartok/Serly
Hindemith

I know I'm forgetting several great ones, maybe they'll come to me
later. But you *must* listen to the Harbison work, marvellous,
marvellous.

Regards,

Mario Taboada

Clovis Lark

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Missing are

Rihm
Takemitsu: A String Around Autumn
Davies
Blacher
Penderecki

The Takemitsu is one of the most beautiful pieces ever written.

In article <01bd7aa5$28e17a60$b26a...@week.club-internet.fr>,


Pelleas <we...@club-internet.fr> wrote:
>This are the others interesting viola concerto of the XX century
>The more interesting are ZIMMERMANN and SCHNITTKE
>and TOMASI (no CD)
>
>HINDEMITH musique de concert pour alto
>HOLST lyric movement for viola
>LEMELAND concerto pour alto & cordes
>MARTIN Frank ballade pour alto et orchestre
>MARTINU rapsodie concertante alto & orch
>MILHAUD concertino d'été
>MILHAUD concerto pour alto & orch n°1
>MILHAUD concerto pour alto & orch n°2
>SCHMITT légende pour alto & orch
>SCHNITTKE concerto pour alto et orch
>TOMASI concerto pour alto et orch
>VAUGHAN WILLIAMS Suite for viola and orch
>ZIMMERMANN Antiphonen pour alto et orch
>
>--
>With best regards from PARIS .
>Claude MICHEL
>those happy, few lovers of rare music who are interested in out of print
>French classical music of the golden age"
>
>Jennifer Grucza <jgr...@mit.edu> a écrit dans l'article
><6it3kf$9...@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>...

Russ & Martha Oppenheim

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Jennifer Grucza wrote:
>
> There's always so many discussions of what the top violin, cello, and
> piano concertos are, but I never see any about the unjustly neglected
> viola. So how about listing your top 10 or so favorite VIOLA
> concertos? :) It might give me an idea about what to play next!
>
> Here's a few of mine, in no particular order (and they aren't
> necessarily real concertos, but they're viola solo with orchestra,
> close enough).
>
> Berlioz Harold in Italy
> Bartok
> Bruch Romanze
> Walton
> Joseph Jongen Suite
> Hindemith Der Schwanendreher
>
> arg, there must be more I know.. there's also Telemann, Stamitz,
> Hoffmeister, Weber, I guess, among others.
>
> Jennifer

There's a good one by Morton Gould that I don't think anyone mentioned.

----------------------
Russ Oppenheim
mopp...@ix.netcom.com
----------------------

Jicotea

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Rob, Eric is going to get after you!
WHERE'S EDMUND RUBBRA? I expect this thread
to disgorge his lovely Viola Concerto much earlier.
and
don't tell me "on tour with Lady Beecham."

bad-tempered john

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John Grabowski

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Jennifer Grucza wrote:
>
> There's always so many discussions of what the top violin, cello, and
> piano concertos are, but I never see any about the unjustly neglected
> viola. So how about listing your top 10 or so favorite VIOLA
> concertos? :) It might give me an idea about what to play next!

I know it's not a viola concerto per se, but the Sinfonia Concertante K.
364 by Mozart has some of my favorite viola music in it.

John

--
I think my brother has a lot more going for him than that. He shouldn't
have been wasting his time playing that kind of music (with Sting). I
mean, could you see John Coltrane playing with Elvis because he would
have reached more kids? --Wynton Marsalis.

Eric Schissel

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I don't know about the Gould- I've heard it once, and it was too
rebarbative for me. But I was a different (musical and otherwise) person
then. May as well give it another try :)

Yeah, Rob, why .didn't. you mention the Rubbra? *vbg*
-Eric Schissel

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http://www.lightlink.com/schissel ICQ#7279016
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Eric Schissel

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Rosenberg anyone?
Did anyone mention Bacewicz?

Eric Schissel

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or Pettersson?

Eric Schissel

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Ok, last post- the two by Holmboe.
-Eric Schissel, embarrassed that he didn't think of these sooner.
(ex-violist.)
(Martinu, anyone? Milhaud? or did someone mention those.)

Alfonso Giordano

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Jennifer Grucza wrote in message <6it3kf$9...@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>...


>There's always so many discussions of what the top violin, cello, and
>piano concertos are, but I never see any about the unjustly neglected
>viola. So how about listing your top 10 or so favorite VIOLA
>concertos? :) It might give me an idea about what to play next!
>

>Here's a few of mine, in no particular order (and they aren't
>necessarily real concertos, but they're viola solo with orchestra,
>close enough).
>
>Berlioz Harold in Italy
>Bartok
>Bruch Romanze
>Walton
>Joseph Jongen Suite
>Hindemith Der Schwanendreher
>
>arg, there must be more I know.. there's also Telemann, Stamitz,
>Hoffmeister, Weber, I guess, among others.
>
>Jennifer

It seems to be quite hard to list the top 10 viola concertos when there
seems to be so few of them that are known. As a violist myself, I have
tried to collect most of the recordings and music for viola, even if I will
never be performing all of them.

---Restricted to top ten real concertos
1. Schnittke - prefer Zimmermann recording, I believe the music is
newly available w/ piano reduction
2. Walton - many recordings
3. Bartok - there is a new edited critical edition based on the original
sketches
4. A. Tchaikovsky - recorded by Bashmet - parts available for rental
5. Miklos Rozsa - recorded on kosh - I believe the music is out of print???
6. Hindemith - 4 concertos - all available - all tied for sixth
7. Penderecki - music newly available from Shar catalog- a few recordings
8. Malcolm Arnold - fun piece to play
9. John Harbison
10. Edmund Rubbra

--- other pieces
Berlioz - Harold in Italy
Bloch - Suite for Orchestra (orch. by composer from piano part)
Holst - Lyric Movement
Keith Jarrett - Bridge of Light
Shostakovich - New orchestration of sonata (strings and percussion)
Wolfgang Rihm - Concerto
Mark Kopytman - Cantus V for Viola and Orchestra
Schnittke - Monologue for viola and strings
Britten - Lachrymae (orch. by composer from piano part)
Esphai - concerto
Gould - concerto
Serly - concerto
Vaughan Williams - Suite for Viola and Orchestra and Flos Campi
Milhaud - 2 concertos, music available for both
1st recorded in chamber form, I believe the 2nd has never
been??
Fricker - believe music is still available, never been recorded??

The Milhaud 2nd and the Fricker have both been stated by Primrose to be the
most difficult viola concertos, and the Fricker the best viola concerto.
I believe they are the most difficult too, especially since I have the
music
for both! I would love to see one of our great violists record both of
these.

Alfonso

Rob Barnett

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Eric

> Yeah, Rob, why .didn't. you mention the Rubbra? *vbg*
> -Eric Schissel

I put the list together quickly without enough thought!

Rob

Rob Barnett

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John

Yes I really shd have added Rubbra's viola cto easily accessibly with
the violin cto on a Conifer CD.

While I am here don't forget the Malcolm Arnold viola concerto.

This has been mentioend before but I wonder what it is about
Northampton in the UK which produced three composers of such stature?
Rubbra, Arnold and William Alwyn!

Hope this will pre-empt Eric getting after me!!!

Rob


Jennifer Grucza

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John Grabowski <jg...@earthlink.net> wrote:

>Jennifer Grucza wrote:
>>
>> There's always so many discussions of what the top violin, cello, and
>> piano concertos are, but I never see any about the unjustly neglected
>> viola. So how about listing your top 10 or so favorite VIOLA
>> concertos? :) It might give me an idea about what to play next!

>I know it's not a viola concerto per se, but the Sinfonia Concertante K.


>364 by Mozart has some of my favorite viola music in it.

I totally agree. I just played it a week ago. :) (In an actual
concert, no less!)

Jennifer


Jennifer Grucza

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Bryan Ho <b...@emerald.tufts.edu> wrote:

> Are there even 10 viola concertos? (Just kidding, I'm a violist
>myself). The sad thing is, the most well-known one that I know is the
>Telemann viola concerto in C major. Oh well, I guess you can take any of
>the violin concertos and transcribe it a fifth down (I actually had to do
>this for an audition).

C major? The one I played was G major. Is there another one then,
that's more well known?

Jennifer

Jennifer Grucza

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"Alfonso Giordano" <agio...@peganet.com> wrote:

Wow, thanks for all the info (actually, this goes for everyone else
who's posted, too).

>9. John Harbison
Duh, I should have remembered this, considering I have him as a
chamber music coach & had him for a composition class. I've only
heard his concerto once, though, when I checked a recording of it out
of the library out of curiousity.

>Shostakovich - New orchestration of sonata (strings and percussion)

interesting...

>Schnittke - Monologue for viola and strings

I must admit this one drives me up the wall. I can't really listen to
it without shutting my cd player off.

Well, now I have lots of new stuff to go look up and listen to. :)

Jennifer


AirFX

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Woah! Don't forget J.H. Hummel's Fantasie for Viola and Orchestra!!
Let the wind take you...just don't let the violins do it...

Opus47

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I can't think of 10. Pressed for time I will say:

1. Hindemith - Der Schwanendreher (I had to look up to spell)
2. Bartok - Viola Concerto
3. Berlioz - Harold in Italy

Fred


Margaret Mikulska

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One more viola concerto: Tadeusz Baird, Concerto Lugubre. Much better
than most works
that were listed in this thread.

-Margaret

Tony Rothman

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> There's always so many discussions of what the top violin, cello, and
> piano concertos are, but I never see any about the unjustly neglected
> viola. So how about listing your top 10 or so favorite VIOLA
> concertos? :) It might give me an idea about what to play next!
>

>Nobody seems to have mentioned the concerto by Dmitri Klebanov, which
has recently been resurrected, or his Japanes Silhouettes, for soprano,
viola d'amore and chamber ensemble. I'm not sure I'd call the concerto
one of the top ten by any means. On the other hand, I don't see what
people find in the Schnittke; it seems to me one of the ugliest pieces
he's written. Even the Bartok isn't one of his strongest pieces.

--
Tony Rothman
UT Austin

Ed Inch

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Jennifer Grucza <jgr...@mit.edu> wrote in article
<6it3kf$9...@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>...


> There's always so many discussions of what the top violin, cello, and
> piano concertos are, but I never see any about the unjustly neglected
> viola. So how about listing your top 10 or so favorite VIOLA
> concertos? :) It might give me an idea about what to play next!

Everyone so far has seemed to focus on 20th century stuff, so for a change
of pace:
Hoffmeister Viola Concerto in D major and B-flat major
Telemann Double Concerto in G Major
Stamitz, C. Viola Concerto in D Major
Bach, J.C. Viola Concerto (I forget the key)
Handel/Casadeus (Strong emphasis on Casadeus) Viola Concerto in B-flat
major
Paganini, Sonata for Viola
Marcello, B. Sonata for Viola


Stephen Tooke

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Eric Schissel <schi...@adore.lightlink.com> wrote

> Ok, last post- the two by Holmboe.

Surely no-one's going to prefer either of these to the original for bugle?

Stephen Tooke.


Eric Schissel

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This thread has recently degenerated to usenet-norm with a lot
of pointless (if fun) disagreement... but then that's the pot calling
the kettle, I guess. Have you heard the Holmboe concerti?
-Eric Schissel

Stephen Tooke (bit...@iafrica.com) wrote:

>Stephen Tooke.


Stephen Tooke

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Eric Schissel <schi...@adore.lightlink.com> wrote

> This thread has recently degenerated to usenet-norm with a lot
> of pointless (if fun) disagreement... but then that's the pot calling
> the kettle, I guess. Have you heard the Holmboe concerti?

No I haven't, but from want of opportunity rather than from a lack
of inclination. I'd thought to try the late symphonies first, or
the string quartets, or perhaps the cello concerto op.120.

Stephen Tooke.

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Does anyone know the orchestration of the Rubbra Viola COncerto?

CYnthia Powell cpowe...@aol.com
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