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Tom Del Rosso
May 8, 2016, 4:03:34 PM5/8/16
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I became familiar with the Verdi Requiem Dies Irae when my mother needed
me to fix her speakers because she had blown one of them playing it.
In the Lutheran Church a piece like Magnificat doesn't seem out of
place, but Verdi was Catholic and Catholic masses are supposed to be
boring. Was this really played in Catholic mass?
--
me to fix her speakers because she had blown one of them playing it.
In the Lutheran Church a piece like Magnificat doesn't seem out of
place, but Verdi was Catholic and Catholic masses are supposed to be
boring. Was this really played in Catholic mass?
--
Peter T. Daniels
May 8, 2016, 6:53:25 PM5/8/16
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Ricordi that a Requiem be commissioned from all of Italy's celebrated composers
in memory of the great writer Manzoni. Verdi drew up the scheme of key relationships,
lengths of the movements, and assignments. Everyone who was invited contributed
their movement, but there was no performance. (The materials were retrieved
from the archives in the 1980S(?) and a recording was made.) Verdi decided to
write his own work incorporating the movement he'd written.
Tom Del Rosso
May 8, 2016, 7:21:59 PM5/8/16
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has been played finally?
Peter T. Daniels
May 8, 2016, 11:14:50 PM5/8/16
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Tom Del Rosso
May 9, 2016, 12:40:59 AM5/9/16
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Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>
>> Oh, so neither his nor the collaborative work were performed? Which
>> one has been played finally?
>
> "His" is the Verdi Requiem.
Duh, obviously. Thank you.
>>
>> Oh, so neither his nor the collaborative work were performed? Which
>> one has been played finally?
>
> "His" is the Verdi Requiem.
Mike Painter
May 9, 2016, 4:16:01 PM5/9/16
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On Sun, 8 May 2016 13:04:12 -0700, Tom Del Rosso wrote
(in article <ngo5s1$3em$1...@dont-email.me>):
Who says Catholic Masses are supposed to be boring?
Mike
(in article <ngo5s1$3em$1...@dont-email.me>):
Mike
Joe Roberts
May 9, 2016, 5:15:57 PM5/9/16
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"Mike Painter" wrote:
> Tom Del Rosso wrote
>
>> I became familiar with the Verdi Requiem Dies Irae when my mother needed
>> me to fix her speakers because she had blown one of them playing it.
>>
>> In the Lutheran Church a piece like Magnificat doesn't seem out of
>> place, but Verdi was Catholic and Catholic masses are supposed to be
>> boring. Was this really played in Catholic mass?
>
> Who says Catholic Masses are supposed to be boring?
>
> Mike
The folks who reach ecstasy by handling rattlesnakes whilst praying ... they
>> I became familiar with the Verdi Requiem Dies Irae when my mother needed
>> me to fix her speakers because she had blown one of them playing it.
>>
>> In the Lutheran Church a piece like Magnificat doesn't seem out of
>> place, but Verdi was Catholic and Catholic masses are supposed to be
>> boring. Was this really played in Catholic mass?
>
> Who says Catholic Masses are supposed to be boring?
>
> Mike
might consider anything else boring. But then one might want a quiet
requiem in the background, either to cover all the bases or to calm the
snake.
Joe
Alan Dawes
May 11, 2016, 4:52:20 AM5/11/16
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In article <0001HW.D3563E0F...@news.giganews.com>,
They are meant to remind the living of the day of judgement and the hell
they will be in if they haven't left a large legacy to the catholic church
so that the priest will pray to reduce their time in purgatory.
Perhaps :-) but I fear this is near the truth.
Alan
Alan
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alan....@riscos.org
Using an ARMX6
they will be in if they haven't left a large legacy to the catholic church
so that the priest will pray to reduce their time in purgatory.
Perhaps :-) but I fear this is near the truth.
Alan
Alan
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alan....@argonet.co.uk
alan....@riscos.org
Using an ARMX6
Nils-Eivind Naas
May 11, 2016, 11:24:03 AM5/11/16
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"Peter T. Daniels" <gram...@verizon.net> wrote in
news:bfd93bcb-27d8-4307...@googlegroups.com:
It seems that not all the detail is correct. All sources I have
access to say that it was the death of Rossini in 1868 that set in
motion the composition of the composite Requiem. As you say, the
projected performance never took place.
Then, when Manzoni died in 1873, a man Verdi held in the highest
esteem, Verdi composed a full requiem based om the section he had
already composed for the Rossini requiem.
The Manzoni requiem was first performed on May 22, 1874, the first
anniversary of Manzoni's death, conducted by the composer.
--
nen
news:bfd93bcb-27d8-4307...@googlegroups.com:
access to say that it was the death of Rossini in 1868 that set in
motion the composition of the composite Requiem. As you say, the
projected performance never took place.
Then, when Manzoni died in 1873, a man Verdi held in the highest
esteem, Verdi composed a full requiem based om the section he had
already composed for the Rossini requiem.
The Manzoni requiem was first performed on May 22, 1874, the first
anniversary of Manzoni's death, conducted by the composer.
--
nen
Peter T. Daniels
May 11, 2016, 12:38:34 PM5/11/16
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On Wednesday, May 11, 2016 at 11:24:03 AM UTC-4, Nils-Eivind Naas wrote:
> "Peter T. Daniels" <gram...@verizon.net> wrote in
> news:bfd93bcb-27d8-4307...@googlegroups.com:
> > On Sunday, May 8, 2016 at 4:03:34 PM UTC-4, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
> >> I became familiar with the Verdi Requiem Dies Irae when my
> >> mother needed me to fix her speakers because she had blown one
> >> of them playing it.
> >> In the Lutheran Church a piece like Magnificat doesn't seem out
> >> of place, but Verdi was Catholic and Catholic masses are
> >> supposed to be boring. Was this really played in Catholic
> >> mass?
> > No. It's a concert work; it grew out of a suggestion by Verdi to
> > his publisher Ricordi that a Requiem be commissioned from all of
> > Italy's celebrated composers in memory of the great writer
> > Manzoni. Verdi drew up the scheme of key relationships, lengths
> > of the movements, and assignments. Everyone who was invited
> > contributed their movement, but there was no performance. (The
> > materials were retrieved from the archives in the 1980S(?) and a
> > recording was made.) Verdi decided to write his own work
> > incorporating the movement he'd written.
>
> It seems that not all the detail is correct. All sources I have
> access to say that it was the death of Rossini in 1868 that set in
> motion the composition of the composite Requiem. As you say, the
> projected performance never took place.
Oh, right. That was why I couldn't find the CD for years -- I'd filed it under
> "Peter T. Daniels" <gram...@verizon.net> wrote in
> news:bfd93bcb-27d8-4307...@googlegroups.com:
> > On Sunday, May 8, 2016 at 4:03:34 PM UTC-4, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
> >> I became familiar with the Verdi Requiem Dies Irae when my
> >> mother needed me to fix her speakers because she had blown one
> >> of them playing it.
> >> In the Lutheran Church a piece like Magnificat doesn't seem out
> >> of place, but Verdi was Catholic and Catholic masses are
> >> supposed to be boring. Was this really played in Catholic
> >> mass?
> > No. It's a concert work; it grew out of a suggestion by Verdi to
> > his publisher Ricordi that a Requiem be commissioned from all of
> > Italy's celebrated composers in memory of the great writer
> > Manzoni. Verdi drew up the scheme of key relationships, lengths
> > of the movements, and assignments. Everyone who was invited
> > contributed their movement, but there was no performance. (The
> > materials were retrieved from the archives in the 1980S(?) and a
> > recording was made.) Verdi decided to write his own work
> > incorporating the movement he'd written.
>
> It seems that not all the detail is correct. All sources I have
> access to say that it was the death of Rossini in 1868 that set in
> motion the composition of the composite Requiem. As you say, the
> projected performance never took place.
R instead of M, where I was looking for it.
Mike Painter
May 11, 2016, 7:28:34 PM5/11/16
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On Wed, 11 May 2016 08:20:29 -0700, Nils-Eivind Naas wrote
(in article <XnsA605B1...@213.239.209.88>):
You are correct, Nils. From Wikipedia, but confirmed in Michael Steinberg's
"Choral Masterworks" :
Composition history
After Gioachino Rossini's death in 1868, Verdi suggested that a number of
Italian composers collaborate on a Requiem in Rossini's honor. He began the
effort by submitting the concluding movement, the Libera me. During the next
year a Messa per Rossini was compiled by Verdi and twelve other famous
Italian composers of the time. The premiere was scheduled for 13 November
1869, the first anniversary of Rossini's death.
However, on 4 November, nine days before the premiere, the organising
committee abandoned it. Verdi blamed this on the scheduled conductor, Angelo
Mariani. He pointed to Mariani's lack of enthusiasm for the project, even
though he had been part of the organising committee from the start, and it
marked the beginning of the end of their friendship. The piece fell into
oblivion until 1988, when Helmuth Rilling premiered the complete Messa per
Rossini in Stuttgart, Germany.
In the meantime, Verdi kept toying with his Libera me, frustrated that the
combined commemoration of Rossini's life would not be performed in his
lifetime.
On 22 May 1873, the Italian writer and humanist Alessandro Manzoni, whom
Verdi had admired all his adult life and met in 1868, died. Upon hearing of
his death, Verdi resolved to complete a Requiem this time entirely of his own
writing for Manzoni. Verdi traveled to Paris in June, where he commenced work
on the Requiem, giving it the form we know today. It included a revised
version of the Libera me originally composed for Rossini.
cheers,
Mike
(in article <XnsA605B1...@213.239.209.88>):
"Choral Masterworks" :
Composition history
After Gioachino Rossini's death in 1868, Verdi suggested that a number of
Italian composers collaborate on a Requiem in Rossini's honor. He began the
effort by submitting the concluding movement, the Libera me. During the next
year a Messa per Rossini was compiled by Verdi and twelve other famous
Italian composers of the time. The premiere was scheduled for 13 November
1869, the first anniversary of Rossini's death.
However, on 4 November, nine days before the premiere, the organising
committee abandoned it. Verdi blamed this on the scheduled conductor, Angelo
Mariani. He pointed to Mariani's lack of enthusiasm for the project, even
though he had been part of the organising committee from the start, and it
marked the beginning of the end of their friendship. The piece fell into
oblivion until 1988, when Helmuth Rilling premiered the complete Messa per
Rossini in Stuttgart, Germany.
In the meantime, Verdi kept toying with his Libera me, frustrated that the
combined commemoration of Rossini's life would not be performed in his
lifetime.
On 22 May 1873, the Italian writer and humanist Alessandro Manzoni, whom
Verdi had admired all his adult life and met in 1868, died. Upon hearing of
his death, Verdi resolved to complete a Requiem this time entirely of his own
writing for Manzoni. Verdi traveled to Paris in June, where he commenced work
on the Requiem, giving it the form we know today. It included a revised
version of the Libera me originally composed for Rossini.
cheers,
Mike
Peter T. Daniels
May 11, 2016, 11:24:20 PM5/11/16
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recognized it would be, or Rilling makes a poor case for it. (If ever there
was a jack-of-all-trades, master of none, it was he. When I first started
buying records, I got some of his from the 1950s? 60s? because they were on a
budget label. They always seemed very slow. Then, on my nest-to-last visit to
Chicago (which year was that?), I happened to be there during the ACDA
Convention, and Rilling(!) conducted the Chicago Symphony Orchestra and Chorus
in Mendelssohn's Elijah. And lo and behold -- possibly because the hall had
to be cleared by 11 pm -- everything was astonishingly fast.)
Joe Roberts
May 12, 2016, 10:00:54 AM5/12/16
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Utterly OT, and I've forgotten where I saw this - perhaps on a record
jacket - but one wag wrote that Faure's Requiem wafts the soul of the
departed into heaven on angels' wings, whereas Berlioz's shoots him there
from the mouth of a cannon.
Joe
jacket - but one wag wrote that Faure's Requiem wafts the soul of the
departed into heaven on angels' wings, whereas Berlioz's shoots him there
from the mouth of a cannon.
Joe
OutThere
May 14, 2016, 1:56:52 PM5/14/16
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On Wed, 11 May 2016 16:28:32 -0700, Mike Painter wrote
(in article <0001HW.D3590E30...@news.giganews.com>):
> On Wed, 11 May 2016 08:20:29 -0700, Nils-Eivind Naas wrote
> (in article <XnsA605B1...@213.239.209.88>):
>
>> "Peter T. Daniels" <gram...@verizon.net> wrote in
>> news:bfd93bcb-27d8-4307...@googlegroups.com:
>>>
One wonders if Mr. Daniels ever takes note of these corrections. He's made
enough misstatements over the years that others have had to correct, but he
never seems to acknowledge any of them,
OT
(in article <0001HW.D3590E30...@news.giganews.com>):
> On Wed, 11 May 2016 08:20:29 -0700, Nils-Eivind Naas wrote
> (in article <XnsA605B1...@213.239.209.88>):
>
>> "Peter T. Daniels" <gram...@verizon.net> wrote in
>> news:bfd93bcb-27d8-4307...@googlegroups.com:
>>>
enough misstatements over the years that others have had to correct, but he
never seems to acknowledge any of them,
OT
Peter T. Daniels
May 14, 2016, 5:28:08 PM5/14/16
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> > On 22 May 1873, the Italian writer and humanist Alessandro Manzoni, whom
> > Verdi had admired all his adult life and met in 1868, died. Upon hearing of
> > his death, Verdi resolved to complete a Requiem this time entirely of his own
> > writing for Manzoni. Verdi traveled to Paris in June, where he commenced work
> > on the Requiem, giving it the form we know today. It included a revised
> > version of the Libera me originally composed for Rossini.
> > cheers,
> > Mike
>
> One wonders if Mr. Daniels ever takes note of these corrections. He's made
> enough misstatements over the years that others have had to correct, but he
> never seems to acknowledge any of them,
>
> OT
You mean, like the one I acknowledged above in the thread?
> > Verdi had admired all his adult life and met in 1868, died. Upon hearing of
> > his death, Verdi resolved to complete a Requiem this time entirely of his own
> > writing for Manzoni. Verdi traveled to Paris in June, where he commenced work
> > on the Requiem, giving it the form we know today. It included a revised
> > version of the Libera me originally composed for Rossini.
> > cheers,
> > Mike
>
> One wonders if Mr. Daniels ever takes note of these corrections. He's made
> enough misstatements over the years that others have had to correct, but he
> never seems to acknowledge any of them,
>
> OT
If you've been keeping an catalog, I'd like to see the entries.
I'm fairly contemptuous anyway of persons afraid to reveal their identity.
Joe Roberts
May 14, 2016, 5:30:48 PM5/14/16
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"OutThere" <no....@xmail.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.D35CB4F3...@news.giganews.com...
>> own
>
>> writing鞠or Manzoni. Verdi traveled to Paris in June, where he commenced
>> work
>
>> on the Requiem, giving it the form we know today. It included a revised
>> version of the Libera me originally composed for Rossini.
>>
>>
>> cheers,
>> Mike
>>
>
>
> One wonders if Mr. Daniels ever takes note of these corrections. He's made
> enough misstatements over the years that others have had to correct, but
> he
> never seems to acknowledge any of them,
>
> OT
>
Juvenile flaming.
>
>> on the Requiem, giving it the form we know today. It included a revised
>> version of the Libera me originally composed for Rossini.
>>
>>
>> cheers,
>> Mike
>>
>
>
> One wonders if Mr. Daniels ever takes note of these corrections. He's made
> enough misstatements over the years that others have had to correct, but
> he
> never seems to acknowledge any of them,
>
> OT
>
As with other posters here, PTD's contributions have been thorough and
informative. And he gives his real name.
Joe Roberts
Mike Painter
May 15, 2016, 12:20:31 AM5/15/16
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On Sat, 14 May 2016 14:32:27 -0700, Joe Roberts wrote
(in article <nh857g$6o9$1...@dont-email.me>):
>>> his death, Verdi resolved to complete a Requiem this time entirely of his
>>> own
>>
>>> writing for Manzoni. Verdi traveled to Paris in June, where he commenced
I don't know what your frame of reference is, timewise, so maybe our
experiences are different. Back when this was a much more active NG (many
years ago, lol), there were many times when PTD posted inaccurate
information, sometimes resulting in lengthy (and even nasty) exchanges with
other readers (not me, though). I don't think I've ever seen PTD say: "Thanks
for the information." or anything similar. So even if OT doesn't use
his/her name, I see it more as a statement of fact rather than a flame.
Regardless, it's nice to see discussion of any kind here, to tell you the
truth!
cheers,
Mike
(in article <nh857g$6o9$1...@dont-email.me>):
>>> own
>>
>>> writing for Manzoni. Verdi traveled to Paris in June, where he commenced
>>> work
>>
>>> on the Requiem, giving it the form we know today. It included a revised
>>> version of the Libera me originally composed for Rossini.
>>>
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> Mike
>>>
>>
>>
>> One wonders if Mr. Daniels ever takes note of these corrections. He's made
>> enough misstatements over the years that others have had to correct, but
>> he
>> never seems to acknowledge any of them,
>>
>> OT
>>
>
> Juvenile flaming.
>
> As with other posters here, PTD's contributions have been thorough and
> informative. And he gives his real name.
>
> Joe Roberts
I was sort of wondering the same thing as OT, I must admit.
>>
>>> on the Requiem, giving it the form we know today. It included a revised
>>> version of the Libera me originally composed for Rossini.
>>>
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> Mike
>>>
>>
>>
>> One wonders if Mr. Daniels ever takes note of these corrections. He's made
>> enough misstatements over the years that others have had to correct, but
>> he
>> never seems to acknowledge any of them,
>>
>> OT
>>
>
> Juvenile flaming.
>
> As with other posters here, PTD's contributions have been thorough and
> informative. And he gives his real name.
>
> Joe Roberts
I don't know what your frame of reference is, timewise, so maybe our
experiences are different. Back when this was a much more active NG (many
years ago, lol), there were many times when PTD posted inaccurate
information, sometimes resulting in lengthy (and even nasty) exchanges with
other readers (not me, though). I don't think I've ever seen PTD say: "Thanks
for the information." or anything similar. So even if OT doesn't use
his/her name, I see it more as a statement of fact rather than a flame.
Regardless, it's nice to see discussion of any kind here, to tell you the
truth!
cheers,
Mike
Peter T. Daniels
May 15, 2016, 8:50:05 AM5/15/16
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On Sunday, May 15, 2016 at 12:20:31 AM UTC-4, Mike Painter wrote:
> On Sat, 14 May 2016 14:32:27 -0700, Joe Roberts wrote
> (in article <nh857g$6o9$1...@dont-email.me>):
> > "OutThere" <no....@xmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:0001HW.D35CB4F3...@news.giganews.com...
> On Sat, 14 May 2016 14:32:27 -0700, Joe Roberts wrote
> (in article <nh857g$6o9$1...@dont-email.me>):
> > "OutThere" <no....@xmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:0001HW.D35CB4F3...@news.giganews.com...
> >> One wonders if Mr. Daniels ever takes note of these corrections. He's made
> >> enough misstatements over the years that others have had to correct, but
> >> he
> >> never seems to acknowledge any of them,
> >> OT
> > Juvenile flaming.
> > As with other posters here, PTD's contributions have been thorough and
> > informative. And he gives his real name.
>
> >> enough misstatements over the years that others have had to correct, but
> >> he
> >> never seems to acknowledge any of them,
> >> OT
> > Juvenile flaming.
> > As with other posters here, PTD's contributions have been thorough and
> > informative. And he gives his real name.
>
> I was sort of wondering the same thing as OT, I must admit.
>
> I don't know what your frame of reference is, timewise, so maybe our
> experiences are different. Back when this was a much more active NG (many
> years ago, lol), there were many times when PTD posted inaccurate
> information, sometimes resulting in lengthy (and even nasty) exchanges with
> other readers (not me, though).
Frinstance?
>
> I don't know what your frame of reference is, timewise, so maybe our
> experiences are different. Back when this was a much more active NG (many
> years ago, lol), there were many times when PTD posted inaccurate
> information, sometimes resulting in lengthy (and even nasty) exchanges with
> other readers (not me, though).
> I don't think I've ever seen PTD say: "Thanks
> for the information." or anything similar. So even if OT doesn't use
> his/her name, I see it more as a statement of fact rather than a flame.
>
> Regardless, it's nice to see discussion of any kind here, to tell you the
> truth!
>
> cheers,
> Mike
were carried out.
Mike Painter
May 15, 2016, 10:30:37 AM5/15/16
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On Sun, 15 May 2016 05:50:03 -0700, Peter T. Daniels wrote
(in article <6f114b67-192c-49d1...@googlegroups.com>):
Peter --
I don't keep a list of things like that, though could probably dig something
up if I wanted. It's a long time ago. And I'm seriously not interested in
starting anything now. Sorry for having chimed in on OT's comments.
I agree that rmcr was far worse. I kept out of the flame wars. But it became
extremely unpleasant to hang out there. I finally set up filters so maybe I'm
missing a lot, both there and here.
Take care,
Mike
(in article <6f114b67-192c-49d1...@googlegroups.com>):
I don't keep a list of things like that, though could probably dig something
up if I wanted. It's a long time ago. And I'm seriously not interested in
starting anything now. Sorry for having chimed in on OT's comments.
I agree that rmcr was far worse. I kept out of the flame wars. But it became
extremely unpleasant to hang out there. I finally set up filters so maybe I'm
missing a lot, both there and here.
Take care,
Mike
Peter T. Daniels
May 15, 2016, 1:33:05 PM5/15/16
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> > Once in a while I glanced at rmcrecordings. _That's_ where your flame wars
> > were carried out.
>
> Peter --
>
> I don't keep a list of things like that, though could probably dig something
> up if I wanted. It's a long time ago. And I'm seriously not interested in
> starting anything now. Sorry for having chimed in on OT's comments.
Yet you're certain about what happened, yet you don't know of a single example.
> > were carried out.
>
> Peter --
>
> I don't keep a list of things like that, though could probably dig something
> up if I wanted. It's a long time ago. And I'm seriously not interested in
> starting anything now. Sorry for having chimed in on OT's comments.
> I agree that rmcr was far worse. I kept out of the flame wars. But it became
> extremely unpleasant to hang out there. I finally set up filters so maybe I'm
> missing a lot, both there and here.
known as Premise Checker) reprints an article from the NYT or the TLS.
article
Mike Painter
May 15, 2016, 2:33:36 PM5/15/16
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On Sun, 15 May 2016 10:33:03 -0700, Peter T. Daniels wrote
(in article <09c04871-e022-4713...@googlegroups.com>):
> On Sunday, May 15, 2016 at 10:30:37 AM UTC-4, Mike Painter wrote:
>> Peter --
>>
>> I don't keep a list of things like that, though could probably dig
>> something
>> up if I wanted. It's a long time ago. And I'm seriously not interested in
>> starting anything now. Sorry for having chimed in on OT's comments.
>
> Yet you're certain about what happened, yet you don't know of a single
> example.
Since you asked ...
Someone wrote in once asking about a Schubert piece titled "Heilig, heilig,
heilig." Your suggestion was that it was the Sanctus from one of his Masses,
but specifically said _not_ the Deutsche Messe.
I replied that Schubert used the Latin text for his Masses, so would have
started with "Sanctus, sanctus, sanctus." However, the "Zum Sanctus" movement
of the Deutsche Messe begins with "Heilig, heilg, heilg" and typed out the
beginning of it.
The guy replied that was in fact what he was looking for. And there was no
acknowledgement from you regarding it.
That was my recollection and after figuring out what terms to include in a
Google search, I found this:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.music.classical/sbWcRlesDeo
which confirms the substance, if not the details. (He was looking for the
Deutsch number, it turns out, and it was in rmc, not rmcr.)
These kinds of misstatements happened somewhat frequently, though not
involving threads that I was interested or involved in, so I don't have more
examples (and even if I did, I wouldn't bring them up again), but that one
stuck with me. Other people used to comment on your posts or make
corrections, and things almost always quickly escalated.
So when this Verdi thing came up, I thought "Things haven't changed a bit."
LIke I said, I'm sorry I jumped in. I ought to know better by now.
As I also said before, I never took part in any flame wars, but I stopped
reading a lot of things and filtering people out when the level of vitriol
got so high that it was no longer enjoyable. I still don't participate much
here or in rmcr, and after 19 years, it's kind of sad, but life moves on.
Mike
(in article <09c04871-e022-4713...@googlegroups.com>):
> On Sunday, May 15, 2016 at 10:30:37 AM UTC-4, Mike Painter wrote:
>> Peter --
>>
>> I don't keep a list of things like that, though could probably dig
>> something
>> up if I wanted. It's a long time ago. And I'm seriously not interested in
>> starting anything now. Sorry for having chimed in on OT's comments.
>
> Yet you're certain about what happened, yet you don't know of a single
> example.
Someone wrote in once asking about a Schubert piece titled "Heilig, heilig,
heilig." Your suggestion was that it was the Sanctus from one of his Masses,
but specifically said _not_ the Deutsche Messe.
I replied that Schubert used the Latin text for his Masses, so would have
started with "Sanctus, sanctus, sanctus." However, the "Zum Sanctus" movement
of the Deutsche Messe begins with "Heilig, heilg, heilg" and typed out the
beginning of it.
The guy replied that was in fact what he was looking for. And there was no
acknowledgement from you regarding it.
That was my recollection and after figuring out what terms to include in a
Google search, I found this:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.music.classical/sbWcRlesDeo
which confirms the substance, if not the details. (He was looking for the
Deutsch number, it turns out, and it was in rmc, not rmcr.)
These kinds of misstatements happened somewhat frequently, though not
involving threads that I was interested or involved in, so I don't have more
examples (and even if I did, I wouldn't bring them up again), but that one
stuck with me. Other people used to comment on your posts or make
corrections, and things almost always quickly escalated.
So when this Verdi thing came up, I thought "Things haven't changed a bit."
LIke I said, I'm sorry I jumped in. I ought to know better by now.
As I also said before, I never took part in any flame wars, but I stopped
reading a lot of things and filtering people out when the level of vitriol
got so high that it was no longer enjoyable. I still don't participate much
here or in rmcr, and after 19 years, it's kind of sad, but life moves on.
Mike
Peter T. Daniels
May 15, 2016, 3:01:13 PM5/15/16
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It couldn't have been in rmcr. If ever I appeared there, it was only because
someone had crossposted (no longer a possibility in GG).
> These kinds of misstatements happened somewhat frequently, though not
> involving threads that I was interested or involved in, so I don't have more
> examples (and even if I did, I wouldn't bring them up again), but that one
> stuck with me. Other people used to comment on your posts or make
> corrections, and things almost always quickly escalated.
>
> So when this Verdi thing came up, I thought "Things haven't changed a bit."
> LIke I said, I'm sorry I jumped in. I ought to know better by now.
Mike Painter
May 15, 2016, 3:56:19 PM5/15/16
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On Sun, 15 May 2016 12:01:12 -0700, Peter T. Daniels wrote
(in article <36e45260-e662-4f92...@googlegroups.com>):
The main point of my original comment was the misstatements and lack of any
followup from you when something is pointed out. My example wss to illustrate
that, not anything to do with flame wars and escalation. The escalation was
originally included to describe what often happened afterward, in rmcr, as
it turns out, but after this many years, that detail is minor; it still often
involved your posts. To my thinking it's not an important part of the point I
was making.
Sorry if that wasn't clear. And I'm not interested in anything escalating
from here, either.
Happy Sunday,
MIke
(in article <36e45260-e662-4f92...@googlegroups.com>):
followup from you when something is pointed out. My example wss to illustrate
that, not anything to do with flame wars and escalation. The escalation was
originally included to describe what often happened afterward, in rmcr, as
it turns out, but after this many years, that detail is minor; it still often
involved your posts. To my thinking it's not an important part of the point I
was making.
Sorry if that wasn't clear. And I'm not interested in anything escalating
from here, either.
Happy Sunday,
MIke
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