Is Richter gay?
Zhixiao
I was reading "Russia's Gay Literature and Culture: the Impact of the October
Revolution" by Simon Karlingsky, and came upon the following passage:
"Yet, during the Stalinist age, Soviet persecution of gay men was neither
continuous nor total. In the case of well-known personalities, such as
Eisenstein, the popular operatic tenor Sergei Lemeshev, the pianist Sviatoslav
Richter, and the numeous male ballet dancers, the authorities were willing to
look the other way, provided the man was married and kept his homosexuality out
of public view......"
The brief mentioning of Richter intrigues me as he is my best favorite
pianist,and I have remained an ardent fan of his recordings since the day one I
heard his piano sound.
Can anyone provides more information regarding Richter's private life, apart
from that provided in the CD booklets? Thank you so much.
zhixiao
Dan Koren
I don't know much about Richter's private life (and I have little interest in
finding out). From what I heard however it would seem that Sofronitsky's was
a lot more interesting...
dk
dtritter
not any more.
dead, ya know.
dft
Opus47
If Richter was gay it would totally change the way that I think of him as a
performer and his performances as captured on recorded media.
NOT
Fred
rkha...@adnc.com
zhi...@aol.com (Zhixiao) wrote:
>
> I was reading "Russia's Gay Literature and Culture: the Impact of the October
> Revolution" by Simon Karlingsky, and came upon the following passage:
>
> "Yet, during the Stalinist age, Soviet persecution of gay men was neither
> continuous nor total. In the case of well-known personalities, such as
> Eisenstein, the popular operatic tenor Sergei Lemeshev, the pianist Sviatoslav
> Richter, and the numeous male ballet dancers, the authorities were willing to
> look the other way, provided the man was married and kept his homosexuality
out
> of public view......"
>
> The brief mentioning of Richter intrigues me as he is my best favorite
> pianist,and I have remained an ardent fan of his recordings since the day one
I
> heard his piano sound.
>
> Can anyone provides more information regarding Richter's private life, apart
> from that provided in the CD booklets? Thank you so much.
>
Would you still be an ardent fan if you found out he was indeed gay?
(He was, according to reputable sources I've read)
Ramon Khalona
Carlsbad, California
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D.G. Porter
> > Can anyone provides more information regarding Richter's private life, apart
> > from that provided in the CD booklets? Thank you so much.
> >
> > zhixiao
>
> Would you still be an ardent fan if you found out he was indeed gay?
> (He was, according to reputable sources I've read)
>
> Ramon Khalona
> Carlsbad, California
I've never been a fan of his repertoire, so I never really listened to
him much, but I think this is the point:
Right now this country is in the middle of a Christian-created "cultural
war for the hart and sole of Amerika." [I guess they think we want to
"buck" the system that they insist their fish represents.] They keep
telling us it's a "lifestyle choice" when in reality it's not going to
be too long before the "gay gene" is found and then their precious
little argument goes right down the toilet. Yes, folks, your "God"
makes some people gay!!! It's no more a choice than the color of your
skin, eyes, hair, etc.
Part of this cultural phenomenon is the discovery that many folks are
gay and putting on a hetero front because of narrow-minded bigots like
the folks who run Traditional Values Coalition, Family Research Council,
Eagle Forum, etc. And it's really a shame what happens, because a lot
of these closeted individuals end up as alcoholics imbued with
self-hatred.
I don't like it when some overly-aggresive types try to claim everyone
who never got married as part of "their" community, because they don't
have to -- there's plenty of "genuine articles" out there for them to
claim. But it always tickles me when some right winger gets all
dee-pressed when they find out their favorite artist "ain't gonna go t'
Heavin on account o' his seksual orientashun!!"
HAPPY ARE WE, RICHTERS SO GAY!!!!!!!!
Charles Pope Jr.
Wondered who'd be first to make this, er, clarification.
CPJ.
HOWARD HELLER
Ne> @FROM :ne...@thump.org
Ne> N @UMSGID :<3610f0fa...@10.0.0.1>
Ne> N @UNEWSGR:01rec.music.classical
>NOT
Ne> Oh just think of the threads we could fill up .....
Didn't we just go through this not too long ago ?
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EPalladino
listening, if he was gay? Beth
Opus47 wrote in message <19980923072231...@ng147.aol.com>...
>
>If Richter was gay it would totally change the way that I think of him as a
>performer and his performances as captured on recorded media.
>
>NOT
>
>Fred
>
Mike Painter
<Myron...@email.msn.com> wrote:
I think Fred indicated it wouldn't make any difference.
He did put a "NOT" after his statement.
Mike
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CONSTANTIN MARCOU
dtritter wrote:
> is richter gay?
> not any more.
> dead, ya know.
>
> dft
I've heard quite the opposite (when he was alive, of course.)I've heard
that he was a grim, serious, dour, reticent and reclusive individual.
No fun, gaiety or lightheartedness at all....tsk, tsk ;->
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Ehrlich606
> >performer and his performances as captured on recorded media.
>
> >NOT
>
>
>Didn't we just go through this not too long ago ?
>
>
Well, I'll tell you one thing. Now that I know he was gay I will never listen
to his LP's again with my clothes off.
Charles Pope Jr.
>
> -=> Quoting Neil to All <=-
>
> Ne> @FROM :ne...@thump.org
> Ne> N @UMSGID :<3610f0fa...@10.0.0.1>
> Ne> N @UNEWSGR:01rec.music.classical
>
> >If Richter was gay it would totally change the way that I think of him as a
> >performer and his performances as captured on recorded media.
>
> >NOT
>
> Ne> Oh just think of the threads we could fill up .....
>
> Didn't we just go through this not too long ago ?
This is starting to sound like all the questions concerning the
unconfirmed sexual orientation of a certain Emmy-winning actor at the
Frasier NG...
It's ironic, because I was advised to subscribe to this NG by someone
who shares my interest in recorded classical music and who recently left
the Frasier NG, fed up with questions about actors' sexual orientation
(also trolls and other valid reasons...). It's also ironic that the
Emmy-winning actor happens to be an excellent pianist who initially
wanted to become a concert pianist before choosing an acting career
instead.
Small world (even in cyberspace).
CPJ.
Raymond Hall
>On 23 Sep 1998 11:22:31 GMT, opu...@aol.com (Opus47) wrote:
>
>>If Richter was gay it would totally change the way that I think of him as
a
>>performer and his performances as captured on recorded media.
>>
>>NOT
>
Not only fill up many threads, but just think of how many other gay musical
personalities there must be. Copland, Lenny (bi-sexual), Britten, etc., and
God knows how many more.
Far as I am concerned I don't give a damn. It is their music that counts.
| Ray Hall: < hallr...@bigpond.com >
| Only my dogs really know the high notes - and they
| remain peacefully a'snoozin .......... /(-^-)\
| ~*~
| "My God! What has sound got to do with music!" (Essays p.84) Charles Ives
Opus47
Everyone who thinks Richter was gay and that it matters should put condoms in
their ears.
(and never take them out)
Fred
Opus47
Is Richter gay?
Is Richter alive?
Richter is dead, therefore he is not gay.
Logic 101
derf
Dan Koren
A lot of people already have them in their ears in spite of the fact they do
not seem to care one way or another!
:)
dk
David Bluestone
Hall) wrote:
> Neil wrote in message <3610f0fa...@10.0.0.1>...
> >On 23 Sep 1998 11:22:31 GMT, opu...@aol.com (Opus47) wrote:
> >
> >>If Richter was gay it would totally change the way that I think of
> him as
> a
> >>performer and his performances as captured on recorded media.
> >>
> >>NOT
> >
> >Oh just think of the threads we could fill up .....
>
> Not only fill up many threads, but just think of how many other gay
> musical
> personalities there must be. Copland, Lenny (bi-sexual), Britten, etc.,
> and God knows how many more.
Not to mention Schubert, Tchaikovsky, Poulenc, Vaughan Williams and
Bruckner.
David
Charles Pope Jr.
>
>
> My point about the thread was that we have discussed homosexuality in depth on
> several occassions and frankly got no where. Its propably sensible to ignore the
> subject as it arouses some fierce debates which usually descend into acrimony.
This was always my point at the Frasier NG when the endless discussion
regarding one of the actor's sexual orientation resurfaced and often led
to cyber-violent flamewars. Nothing was ever resolved and it was always
a dead-end thread.
CPJ.
Yi-kuan Jong
EPalladino <Myron...@email.msn.com> wrote:
>Why? What difference would it make, either in his playing or your
:listening, if he was gay? Beth
:
:
:Opus47 wrote in message <19980923072231...@ng147.aol.com:...
::If Richter was gay it would totally change the way that I think of him as a
::performer and his performances as captured on recorded media.
::
::NOT
::Fred
::
:
:
Guy will be aroused and lady will be turn off by this fact. ....
rkha...@adnc.com
sapp...@cix.compulink.co.uk ("David Bluestone") wrote:
> In article <3609c...@139.134.5.33>, hallr...@bigpond.com (Raymond
> Hall) wrote:
>
> > Neil wrote in message <3610f0fa...@10.0.0.1>...
> > >On 23 Sep 1998 11:22:31 GMT, opu...@aol.com (Opus47) wrote:
> > >
> > him as
> > a
> > >>performer and his performances as captured on recorded media.
> > >>
> > >>NOT
> > >
> >
> > Not only fill up many threads, but just think of how many other gay
> > musical
> > personalities there must be. Copland, Lenny (bi-sexual), Britten, etc.,
> > and God knows how many more.
>
> Not to mention Schubert, Tchaikovsky, Poulenc, Vaughan Williams and
> Bruckner.
>
> David
You went too far. The evidence on Bruckner is that he was an overzealous
pursuer of young girls (to whom he seems to have had the urge to "propose" at
the drop of a hat). This seems to have stemmed from his deeply felt
religious (catholic) beliefs - definitely no sex before marriage. I don't
believe there is any evidence to suggest he was gay (not that it would matter
to me if he was, just trying to set the record straight).
D.G. Porter
>
> Why? What difference would it make, either in his playing or your
> listening, if he was gay? Beth
To which Beavis answered, "Um, Butt-head? I think he was, like, being
sar-caz-tik, or something."
> Opus47 wrote in message <19980923072231...@ng147.aol.com>...
> >
> >If Richter was gay it would totally change the way that I think of him as a
> >performer and his performances as captured on recorded media.
> >
> >NOT
> >
> >Fred
> >
D.G. Porter
>
> Everyone who thinks Richter was gay and that it matters should put condoms in
> their ears.
> (and never take them out)
>
> Fred
How about pulling a femi-dom over their head so they can't breathe?
That'd be cool....
kekk...@my-dejanews.com
rkha...@adnc.com wrote:
> In article <19980922203432...@ng-fc2.aol.com>,
> zhi...@aol.com (Zhixiao) wrote:
> >
> > I was reading "Russia's Gay Literature and Culture: the Impact of the
October
> > Revolution" by Simon Karlingsky, and came upon the following passage:
> >
> > "Yet, during the Stalinist age, Soviet persecution of gay men was neither
> > continuous nor total. In the case of well-known personalities, such as
> > Eisenstein, the popular operatic tenor Sergei Lemeshev, the pianist
Sviatoslav
> > Richter, and the numeous male ballet dancers, the authorities were willing
to
> > look the other way, provided the man was married and kept his homosexuality
> out
> > of public view......"
> >
> > The brief mentioning of Richter intrigues me as he is my best favorite
> > pianist,and I have remained an ardent fan of his recordings since the day
one
> I
> > heard his piano sound.
> >
> > from that provided in the CD booklets? Thank you so much.
> >
> > zhixiao
>
> Would you still be an ardent fan if you found out he was indeed gay?
> (He was, according to reputable sources I've read)
>
> Carlsbad, California
>
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be bisexual.
ct
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EPalladino
I couldn't see it. Beth
Mike Painter wrote in message ...
>In article <uW72nV259GA.125@upnetnews05>, "EPalladino"
><Myron...@email.msn.com> wrote:
>
>> Why? What difference would it make, either in his playing or your
>> listening, if he was gay? Beth
>>
>>
>> Opus47 wrote in message <19980923072231...@ng147.aol.com>...
>> >
>> >If Richter was gay it would totally change the way that I think of him
as a
>> >performer and his performances as captured on recorded media.
>> >
>> >NOT
>> >
>> >Fred
>> >
>
>
EPalladino
Yi-kuan Jong wrote in message <6udlvv$m3m$1...@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>...
>In article <uW72nV259GA.125@upnetnews05>,
>EPalladino <Myron...@email.msn.com> wrote:
>>Why? What difference would it make, either in his playing or your
>:listening, if he was gay? Beth
>:
>:
>:Opus47 wrote in message <19980923072231...@ng147.aol.com:...
>::
>::If Richter was gay it would totally change the way that I think of him as
a
>::performer and his performances as captured on recorded media.
>::
>::NOT
>::
>::Fred
EPalladino
down that I didn't see it. Beth
D.G. Porter wrote in message <360AA3...@pacbell.net>...
>EPalladino wrote:
>>
>> Why? What difference would it make, either in his playing or your
>> listening, if he was gay? Beth
>
>To which Beavis answered, "Um, Butt-head? I think he was, like, being
>sar-caz-tik, or something."
>
Opus47
(reference MTV's Beavis and Butthead. Beavis is replying to a Butthead type
remark....no personal insult intended)
derf
Hanns KREHBIEL
I don't know if this is of any significance: I have an old CD with lieder
by Moussorgsky and Prokoffiew, sung and played by the Russian (or shall
we say Sovjet-Russian?) singer Nina Dorliak and Sv. Richter. The following
info comes from the sleeve:
Sv. Richter was the husband and from 1945 on the permanent and only accompagnist
of Nina Dorliak, who was probably born around 1930. The recordings were made
in 1951 and 1956.
I found the following text through Altavista, searching for Dorliak:
http://www.roma2000.it/neuhaus/richter_exaequies.html
\begin{quote}
From MOSCOW, August 4th
From some of our friends who were at the Richter exaequies
we got these few news:
On monday August 4th Richter was exposed for a wake in the
Puskin museum, where Richter was for 11 years the artistic
manager of the festival "December evenings", each year
devoted to a different great russian artistic personality.
Following the willings of Richter's wife, Nina Dorliak, there
were no official commemorations. During the wake people
could listen to live music performed by the Richter great friend
and great violist Jurij Bashmet and to Richter recordings. The
two friends were secretly planning a jont performance at the
Richter's festival in Tarussa, a small town near Moscow. Then
a short religious ceremony followed in the muscovite "Ivan
Voin" church. Richter has been buried in the Novodevic'e
cemetery, where are also been buried his teacher Heinrich
Neuhaus, his friends Dimitri Sostakovic and Sergeij Prokof'ev,
others great musicians as Vladimir Sofronitzskij, Emil Gilels,
David Ojstrach and many others.
\end{quote}
So the marriage has apparently persisted.
krehbiel
Charles Pope Jr.
>
> On Thu, 24 Sep 1998 21:54:29 GMT, kekk...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> >I haven't the foggiest idea if he was gay or not...but Horowitz was suposed to
> >be bisexual.
>
Well, they had a daughter who was certainly theirs...
CPJ.
Nicolai P. Zwar
>
> Not only fill up many threads, but just think of how many other gay musical
> personalities there must be. Copland, Lenny (bi-sexual), Britten, etc., and
> God knows how many more.
> Far as I am concerned I don't give a damn. It is their music that counts.
Gay artists? Good heavens! Who has ever heard of such a thing? I'll have
to immediately stop to listen to the music of those people. Instead,
I'll just listen to some Tschaikovsky, or even remove classical music
from my play list. Pop music, yeah, that's it, like Elton John. Maybe I
can no longer enjoy music at all now. After this shock, it may be better
for me to do some reading now. Oscar Wilde, perhaps, or Thomas Mann.
--
Nicolai P. Zwar
Remove "NOT THESE FOUR WORDS" to reply.
CONSTANTIN MARCOU
EPalladino wrote:
> Like I mentioned in earlier post, my computer scrolled the word NOT so far
> down that I didn't see it. Beth
Yeah, Fred, I almost missed it too. I almost took the opening statement at
face value for a short while.
> >> Opus47 wrote in message <19980923072231...@ng147.aol.com>...
> >> >
> >> >If Richter was gay it would totally change the way that I think of him
> as a
> >> >performer and his performances as captured on recorded media.
> >> >
> >> >NOT
> >> >
> >> >Fred
> >> >
--
CONSTANTIN MARCOU
have besides some innuendos in Ken Russell wannabe movies? And Vaughn-Williams?
Is that why he dedicated some of his music to Butterworth?
rkha...@adnc.com wrote:
> In article <EzsE8...@cix.compulink.co.uk>,
> sapp...@cix.compulink.co.uk ("David Bluestone") wrote:
> > In article <3609c...@139.134.5.33>, hallr...@bigpond.com (Raymond
> > Hall) wrote:
> >
> > > Neil wrote in message <3610f0fa...@10.0.0.1>...
> > > >On 23 Sep 1998 11:22:31 GMT, opu...@aol.com (Opus47) wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>If Richter was gay it would totally change the way that I think of
> > > him as
> > > a
> > > >>performer and his performances as captured on recorded media.
> > > >>
> > > >>NOT
> > > >
> > > >Oh just think of the threads we could fill up .....
> > >
> > > Not only fill up many threads, but just think of how many other gay
> > > musical
> > > personalities there must be. Copland, Lenny (bi-sexual), Britten, etc.,
> > > and God knows how many more.
> >
> > Not to mention Schubert, Tchaikovsky, Poulenc, Vaughan Williams and
> > Bruckner.
> >
> > David
>
> You went too far. The evidence on Bruckner is that he was an overzealous
> pursuer of young girls (to whom he seems to have had the urge to "propose" at
> the drop of a hat). This seems to have stemmed from his deeply felt
> religious (catholic) beliefs - definitely no sex before marriage. I don't
> believe there is any evidence to suggest he was gay (not that it would matter
> to me if he was, just trying to set the record straight).
>
> Ramon Khalona
> Carlsbad, California
>
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CONSTANTIN MARCOU
Yi-kuan Jong wrote:
> In article <uW72nV259GA.125@upnetnews05>,
> EPalladino <Myron...@email.msn.com> wrote:
> >Why? What difference would it make, either in his playing or your
> :listening, if he was gay? Beth
> :
> :
> :Opus47 wrote in message <19980923072231...@ng147.aol.com:...
> ::
> ::If Richter was gay it would totally change the way that I think of him as a
> ::performer and his performances as captured on recorded media.
> ::
> ::NOT
> ::
> ::Fred
> ::
> :
> :
>
> Guy will be aroused and lady will be turn off by this fact. ....
Which guys and which ladies?
Don Drewecki
Lenny B was married for over 20 years. Horowitz was married for
over 50. People do things out of stupidity, convenience, or the
fear of a disapproving society.
--
Don Drewecki
<dre...@rpi.edu>
Mike Painter
wrote:
> Lenny B was married for over 20 years. Horowitz was married for
> over 50. People do things out of stupidity, convenience, or the
> fear of a disapproving society.
Or even for the reason that they love the other person, heaven forbid.
Opus47
> Pop music, yeah, that's it, like Elton John.
Not Elton John too!!! All I can say is "Goodbye Yellowbrick Road."
Or as Freddie Mercury would say "Another One Bites the Dust." (Freddie Mecury
belonged to the rock band Queen, was gay, and from what I remember died of
AIDS)
Fred
Life would be so much easier if I were gay. Many gay men are attracted to me.
Unfortunately I remain an uptight straight guy.
Opus47
>Lenny B was married for over 20 years. Horowitz was married for
>over 50. People do things out of stupidity, convenience, or the
>fear of a disapproving society.
>Don Drewecki
This is true Don. It's hard to figure people out. When I weighted 237lbs
and wore glasses I would go out with women that are coming on to me now that I
weigh 172lbs and wear contacts. But now that I look better I don't just want
sex, but a relationship.
I have a black male friend who says NEVER question a woman who is coming on to
you. Of course he is street wise, listens to Rap music, and would f**k
anything that moves.
Perhaps classical music has tempered my personality. I actually look for
quality and value in people rather than just the superficial.
More importantly I become emotionally involved with woman that I have sex with.
The one-night-stand then becomes little daggers in my heart.
Fred...what the hell is a hottie...I keep on being called this?
I'm a dog in heat,
A freak without warning,
I have the appetite for love
Cause me so horny
(2 Live Crew (yes I have this CD))
Colin Rosenthal
Opus47 <opu...@aol.com> wrote:
>Or as Freddie Mercury would say "Another One Bites the Dust." (Freddie Mecury
>belonged to the rock band Queen, was gay, and from what I remember died of
>AIDS)
Bisexual, I believe, to be pedantic. Does his recording of an album
with Montserrat Cabbale make him on-topic for this newsgroup? :-)
--
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High Altitude Observatory
Boulder, Colorado
rose...@hao.ucar.edu
Olga Guba
Colin Rosenthal (rose...@asp.hao.ucar.edu) wrote:
> On 25 Sep 1998 20:10:59 GMT,
> Opus47 <opu...@aol.com> wrote:
> >Or as Freddie Mercury would say "Another One Bites the Dust."
> > (Freddie Mercury
> >belonged to the rock band Queen, was gay, and from what I remember
> >died of
> >AIDS)
> Bisexual, I believe, to be pedantic. Does his recording of an album
> with Montserrat Cabbale make him on-topic for this newsgroup? :-)
To be pedantic, he was bisexual when he was young... But I think, it
doesn't matter. And visit both my sites pointed out in my signature. :-)
--
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gu...@rinet.ru http://classical.music.ru http://queen.music.ru
Peter H. Granzeau
>>Sv. Richter was the husband and from 1945 on the permanent and only accompagnist
>>of Nina Dorliak, who was probably born around 1930. The recordings were made
>>in 1951 and 1956.
>
>WH Auden married Erika Mann. He was as queer and folk, and she a lesbian.
I am reminded of the famous marriage between Harold Nicolson and V.
Sackville-Davis. They did have children; one of their sons has
published a history of the marriage.
If I have the named incorrectly, I apologize. It's been many years
since I read about them.
Regards, PHG
(To reply by mail, send to my initials at the same site)
Margaret Mikulska
> I also am unfamiliar with the state of the evidence as to Schubert. What do we
> have besides some innuendos in Ken Russell wannabe movies?
Well, we have wild speculations of Maynard Solomon. Have you never
heard, by any chance, of his "peacocks" article? It created quite a
stir and a lot of discussion in the musicological community.
-Margaret
HenryFogel
>Subject: Re: Sv. Richter was married.
>From: dre...@rpi.edu (Don Drewecki)
>Date: 9/D/YYYY 12:49 PM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: <6ugl3f$k...@lecture.its.rpi.edu>
>
>
>Lenny B was married for over 20 years. Horowitz was married for
>over 50. People do things out of stupidity, convenience, or the
>fear of a disapproving society.
>--
>Don Drewecki
Does the term bi-sexual mean something to you? Some people are genuinely
attracted to both sexes.
Henry Fogel
tom cooley
Don Drewecki
Yes, you could also add bisexual. But based on what has been
written about how both Lenny B and Horowitz seemed to take on
"freer" personalities in the company of men -- at least, that's
how I read the Humphrey Burton and Glenn Plaskin books -- it seems
to me they thought of themselves as homosexual, not bi.
--
Don Drewecki
<dre...@rpi.edu>
Alexander Leach
tom cooley <tom...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in article
<360d0c2a...@netnews.worldnet.att.net>...
> At least he was'nt a Nazi
Unlikely, as his father was shot by the Nazis.
Alex
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Paul Friedrichs
Alexander Leach
Paul Friedrichs <pa...@mnsinc.com> wrote in article
<360D378F...@mnsinc.com>...
> Lots of Nazis' fathers were shot by Nazis.
>
Actually, I was wrong: he was shot by the Russians for alleged Nazi
collaboration, so the original post may have some substance.
CONSTANTIN MARCOU
Margaret Mikulska wrote:
No, never heard of it! What does "peacock" refer to, and what did Mr. Solomon have
to offer in it?
David M. Perkins
he certainly never pretended to be anything other than gay--but I 've never heard
indication that Erika Mann was a lesbian. Her brother Klaus however (both children
of the famous writer Thomas Mann), *was* gay and wrote a novel based on the life of
Tchaikovsky, _Pathetic Symphony_, and later in life, following the legend that
Tchaikovsky committed suicide, killed himself. (I think this is probably called
wandering *way* off the subject--but an interesting connection nonetheless.)
David
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Neil wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Sep 1998 11:25:07 +0200, Hanns KREHBIEL <Kreh...@vxdesy.desy.de>
ten...@davis.com
playing...
John
LouFiddler
>Who cares if he had sex with poodles? Nothing can denegrate his piano
>playing...
Sex with poodles????!!!??? how low can you get?
--
Louisa Hennessy
Essex, UK, Europe
Ross Williams
>> > I also am unfamiliar with the state of the evidence as to Schubert.
What do we
>> > have besides some innuendos in Ken Russell wannabe movies?
>>
>> Well, we have wild speculations of Maynard Solomon. Have you never
>> heard, by any chance, of his "peacocks" article? It created quite a
>> stir and a lot of discussion in the musicological community.
>>
>> -Margaret
>
>No, never heard of it! What does "peacock" refer to, and what did Mr.
Solomon have
>to offer in it?
Also, what is a 'wannabe' movie and to which of those by Ken Russell are you
referring?
Nicolai P. Zwar
Margaret Mikulska
>
> Margaret Mikulska wrote:
>
> > CONSTANTIN MARCOU wrote:
> >
> > > have besides some innuendos in Ken Russell wannabe movies?
> >
> > Well, we have wild speculations of Maynard Solomon. Have you never
> > heard, by any chance, of his "peacocks" article? It created quite a
> > stir and a lot of discussion in the musicological community.
>
> to offer in it?
Hint: Think Benvenuto Cellini.
-Margaret
Peter H. Granzeau
>In article <360e79fb....@news.mother.com>, ten...@davis.com writes:
>
>>Who cares if he had sex with poodles? Nothing can denegrate his piano
>>playing...
>
>Sex with poodles????!!!??? how low can you get?
Sex with dachshunds, I suppose. Or maybe Corgis (I read once that a
Cardigan Corgi lying down looked exactly like a German Shepherd lying
down--and that a Cardi standing up looked exactly like a German
Shepherd lying down, too).
Margaret Mikulska
> Sex with poodles????!!!??? how low can you get?
Dachshunds?
(Sorry, couldn't resist.)
-Margaret
CONSTANTIN MARCOU
Ross Williams wrote:
> >>
> >> > I also am unfamiliar with the state of the evidence as to Schubert.
> What do we
> >> > have besides some innuendos in Ken Russell wannabe movies?
> >>
> >> Well, we have wild speculations of Maynard Solomon. Have you never
> >> heard, by any chance, of his "peacocks" article? It created quite a
> >> stir and a lot of discussion in the musicological community.
> >>
> >> -Margaret
> >
> >No, never heard of it! What does "peacock" refer to, and what did Mr.
> Solomon have
> >to offer in it?
>
> Also, what is a 'wannabe' movie and to which of those by Ken Russell are you
> referring?
Any number of them.
The "wannabe" movie reportedly shows Franz in lederhosen climbing the Alps and
lusting after boys (yes, apparently at the same time -- I haven't seen it, so
I'm just passing along hearsay).
Now, this could be reminiscent of "The Music Lovers" for its outing of the
subject, or of "Mahler" for the climbing of the Alps in Lederhosen ("No longer a
jew-boy; now I'm a goy!"), or of "Lisztomania" for its complete disregard for
historical accuracy, or of "Tommy" for general kinkiness and obnoxiousness.
Take your pick.
CONSTANTIN MARCOU
Opus47 wrote:
> > Pop music, yeah, that's it, like Elton John.
>
> Not Elton John too!!! All I can say is "Goodbye Yellowbrick Road."
He must have fooled you the same way he fooled me: the conservative demeanor and
stodgy attire.--
Ross Williams
CONSTANTIN MARCOU wrote in message <360F32AE...@earthlink.net>...
>The "wannabe" movie reportedly shows Franz in lederhosen climbing the Alps
and
>lusting after boys (yes, apparently at the same time -- I haven't seen it,
so
>I'm just passing along hearsay).
I'm pretty sure that Ken Russell has never made a movie either about or
including Schubert.
> Now, this could be reminiscent of "The Music Lovers" for its outing of the
>subject, or of "Mahler" for the climbing of the Alps in Lederhosen ("No
longer a
>jew-boy; now I'm a goy!"), or of "Lisztomania" for its complete disregard
for
>historical accuracy, or of "Tommy" for general kinkiness and obnoxiousness.
>Take your pick.
Of course you're right. Having read many books about Romantic music, I do
realise that Wagner never actually turned into a flame-thrower weilding Nazi
Frankenstein monster. I also realise that Liszt never flew into outer space
etc.. I do know that Ken Russell is a film maker of real flair and
musicality and that he has the vision to see beyond mere historical fact.
Klaus Tennstedt knew the Mahler by heart by the way. There's always a bigger
truth in art than mere accuracy.
CONSTANTIN MARCOU
Ross Williams wrote:
> Of course you're right. Having read many books about Romantic music, I do
> realise that Wagner never actually turned into a flame-thrower weilding Nazi
> Frankenstein monster. I also realise that Liszt never flew into outer space
> etc.. I do know that Ken Russell is a film maker of real flair and
> musicality and that he has the vision to see beyond mere historical fact.
> Klaus Tennstedt knew the Mahler by heart by the way. There's always a bigger
> truth in art than mere accuracy.
I'm willing to accept much of what you say (except that I don't think Russell
necessarilly always hits the mark artistically -- but then, who does?) However,
I'm puzzled by one statement: what do you mean that Tennstedt "knew the Mahler
by heart"? Do you mean he had memorized the Ken Russell movie script? Or that
he had memorized all Mahler scores? Or that he knew Mahler's biography by
heart?
tlst...@tpgi.com.au
> >
> > >I haven't the foggiest idea if he was gay or not...but Horowitz was
suposed to
> > >be bisexual.
Which Richter are we talking about, anyway? Karl, Sviatoslav ‹ or Richter
Haaser?
--
Cheers!
Terry
Loki607
Does it matter?
Regards, Loki
Margaret Mikulska
> Does it matter?
In some countries it does. It certainly did matter in the Soviet Union.
-Margaret
EPalladino
original topic that the query has no meaning anymore. Beth
tlst...@tpgi.com.au wrote in message ...
Roland van Gaalen - Amsterdam - NL
Distribution:
EPalladino (Myron...@email.msn.com) wrote:
: I assumed Sviatoslav, but now the thread has wandered so far from the
: original topic that the query has no meaning anymore. Beth
Meaning(richter) := min(richter scale, kinsey scale) >= 6 ?!
Roland van Gaalen
Amsterdam
al...@rev.net
>Not only fill up many threads, but just think of how many other gay musical
>personalities there must be. Copland, Lenny (bi-sexual), Britten, etc., and
>God knows how many more.
>Far as I am concerned I don't give a damn. It is their music that counts.
I've heard that most harmonica players blow both ways.
--Spud DuBoise <http://www.rev.net/~aloe/music/tuning.html>
Henrik Järvi
place? Why would Richter be gay? We could start talking about anyone,
like is Emil Gilels gay.
Did someone have any facts about the subject? ;)
Steve
>
> I'm just wondering, from where did this conversation begin in the first place?
Probably started by Ken Starr, expanded on by Republican members of
House Judiciary Committe.
Steve Wolk
Steve Wolk
MT
first
like is Emil Gilels gay.
Did someone have any facts about the subject? ;)>>
The person who started the thread read a book that mentioned Richter as
a gay artist who was tolerated by the commissars (in fact, his early
career suffered because of his association with a group of gay artists).
That is what started the thread. No-one in the thread has confirmed
whether he himself was gay or not.
Regards,
MrT
Ernest Jones
Ernest Jones
Retired Music & Cruise Crazy
Internet Cybernerd On The Beach
raouf...@gmail.com
> No he's dead!
>
> Ernest Jones
Richter gave us so much beauty and was such a noble musician and pianist , I hope he had love in his life. This is something every human being deserves. Your reply is trite and not helpful , a little damning also, if I may say so. Let us respect the dead and be thankful for their lives and keep our prejudices out of it.
raouf...@gmail.com
The pursuit of happiness is on of the rights mentioned in the Bill of Rights of the American Constitution. Surely being able to love and be loved by your beloved is part of the pursuit of happiness. Good for the Founding Fathers to keep this important right in full view. Raouf Zaidan
raouf...@gmail.com
He was more alive than many many people I know during his wonderfully exciting musical life.
We continue to celebrate his life every time we hear any of his magnificent recordings and videos.
Raouf Zaidan
Mort
> Dear Zhixiao, It is likely that he was gay, and at a time when it was difficult to be so ... hence the hush hush secrecy about the subject. What a pity. Nowadays he could be happily married with a same sex partner in some parts of the free world. Since he gave the world so much in beauty and music, it is sad that he could not be himself openly. All the more reason that we should support the move to a more open and tolerant world, free from bigots and religious zealots and oppressive regimes.
> The pursuit of happiness is on of the rights mentioned in the Bill of Rights of the American Constitution. Surely being able to love and be loved by your beloved is part of the pursuit of happiness. Good for the Founding Fathers to keep this important right in full view. Raouf Zaidan
>
the USSR. His"companion", Nina Dorliac, knew about it, and was his
decoy. In a situation that could only happen in the USSR, she and
Richter were "married" after he died. This was apparently for financial
and tax purposes.
Considering Tchaikovsky's fate, Richter did the right thing for that era.
Somewhat later, Youri Egorov fled to Amsterdam for the same reason. The
Russian government refused to let Youri's mother visit him while he was
dying of AIDS, and only gave her an exit visa after Youri died.
How terribly sad, and above all, what unfortunate timing.
Mort Linder