RMCR on strike?

[Bob Harper]

No new posts today. What's up? Surely at least something about Yuja
Wang's heels :)

Bob Harper

[Frank Berger]

If you hadn't posted this at 11:26, there would have been no
posts after 2:36.* Surely a record for RMCR?

*Unless there was a post from someone I've killfiled that I
didn't see.

[Bob Harper]

Must be net neutrality :)

Bob Harper

[Oscar]

I'm in St. Louis for a funeral, Bob (maternal grandfather). However, I am currently watching Blomstedt in Leipzig on Blu-ray: Beethoven 9 recorded live December 31, 2016. Ive watched this about 5 or 6 times now. Just what one wants from this conductor, this orchestra, the work. No frills or funny business. Lean textures, where applicable, without anything in the way of emaciated string tone; full-fledged, robust timps and tuttis; a grand sense of occasion (hey, it's New Year's Eve!); traditional, non-controversial tempos; and maybe most thrilling, organic shifts of dynamics and tempos that seem to arise from right where they were supposed to come from, i.e. preorcained. It's a solid releasw, the entire cycle coming soon on CD.

[Bob Harper]

On 7/23/17 10:05 PM, Oscar wrote:
> I'm in St. Louis for a funeral, Bob (maternal grandfather). However, I am currently watching Blomstedt in Leipzig on Blu-ray: Beethoven 9 recorded live December 31, 2016. Ive watched this about 5 or 6 times now. Just what one wants from this conductor, this orchestra, the work. No frills or funny business. Lean textures, where applicable, without anything in the way of emaciated string tone; full-fledged, robust timps and tuttis; a grand sense of occasion (hey, it's New Year's Eve!); traditional, non-controversial tempos; and maybe most thrilling, organic shifts of dynamics and tempos that seem to arise from right where they were supposed to come from, i.e. preorcained. It's a solid releasw, the entire cycle coming soon on CD.
>

I had seen that announced. His old cycle with the GOL is pretty good,
though now 40 years old (!) Blomstedt's the real deal, and has been for
a long time.

May your grandfather rest in peace, Oscar, and comfort to you and yours.

Bob Harper

[Andy Evans]

We seem to be generally short of women and young people. Young people I can understand, but there are huge numbers of women in classical music. Seems they do other things than post of forums like this......

[Herman]

On Monday, July 24, 2017 at 9:44:24 AM UTC+2, Andy Evans wrote:
> We seem to be generally short of women and young people. Young people I can understand, but there are huge numbers of women in classical music. Seems they do other things than post of forums like this......

Let's see... Why don't you check some of the comments on Yuja Wang, or pretty much any other youngish female performer, and perhaps you'll understand why no woman feels the urge to post here.

[AB]

come on Herman, cut the nonsense..... the criticisms of Wang are perfectly legitimate, not sexist. Nobody had a bad word for deLa Roccha, Haskil, and more.

AB

[Frank Berger]

Lets list women we remember participating in RMCR?

1.Andrys Basten

I'm done.

[Bozo]

>On Monday, July 24, 2017 at 12:51:29 PM UTC-5, Frank Berger wrote:
> Lets list women we remember participating in RMCR?

laraine6 is a welcome poster here.

[mswd...@gmail.com]

On Monday, July 24, 2017 at 12:05:16 AM UTC-5, Oscar wrote:
> It's a solid release, the entire cycle coming soon on CD.

It was released in the US on the 7th.

[Herman]

Well, I guess you're right, and there is just no other reason for the zero participation of women on RMCR other than that women don't know their way around a keyboard.

Honestly, this is no criticism, it's just a fact that the majority of RMCR posters are rather crusty old white men who indeed appreciate Alicia de Larrocha, Maria Tipo and Clara Haskil (at least one of whom is still alive), but otherwise tend to talk about women as if they're from another planet.

[mswd...@gmail.com]

On Sunday, July 23, 2017 at 11:46:14 PM UTC-5, Bob Harper wrote:
> Must be net neutrality :)
> Bob Harper

I should think that "newsgroups" are something most people don't know exist any more. If you want young poeple then you need an easy way for people to participate on a phone. Where is the RMCR app?

[Oscar]

herman meet kettle.



On Aug 14 2011, 8:17 pm, herman wrote:
>
> > She dressed what a fashionable woman might wear to a cocktail party.
> > It's certainly less extravagant than what pop music performers wear.
>
> Really? A woman might wear that to a cocktail party, but she would be
> very uncomfortable. She would have to stand on those heels all the
> time, because it is not possible to sit decently in a dress this
> short. Chances would be women would avoid her, and men would leer, and
> wonder whether what she was trying to say, dressing like a hooker.

There's yr enlightened, egalitarian, dapper & debonair Central European modern man for ya.

[Herman]

What I was trying to say was that a woman doesn't have to dress half-naked in order to get attention. Obviously my point was wasted on you, and the many who write about Wang's garb or lack thereof.

[Herman]

Also I am not nearly "Central European", but that's yet another point.

[Oscar]

Revisionist history. No, I rather think yr "hooker" diatribe points to a certain fetish of the Oriental variety...but that's yet another story.

Yuja don't love you long time!

[YM ​יוֹשִׁיוּכִּי‎]

Are you in factum sponsored by the great Carnegie Hall?

[richard...@gmail.com]

> On Monday, July 24, 2017 at 10:13:57 PM UTC+2, Herman wrote:

> Also I am not nearly "Central European", but that's yet another point.

Probably not on the East-West scale, but surely you are on the North-South?

[graham]

On 2017-07-24 1:36 PM, Herman wrote:
> On Monday, July 24, 2017 at 7:38:58 PM UTC+2, AB wrote:
>> On Monday, July 24, 2017 at 5:50:03 AM UTC-4, Herman wrote:
>>> On Monday, July 24, 2017 at 9:44:24 AM UTC+2, Andy Evans wrote:
>>>> We seem to be generally short of women and young people. Young people I can understand, but there are huge numbers of women in classical music. Seems they do other things than post of forums like this......
>>>
>>> Let's see... Why don't you check some of the comments on Yuja Wang, or pretty much any other youngish female performer, and perhaps you'll understand why no woman feels the urge to post here.
>>
>> come on Herman, cut the nonsense..... the criticisms of Wang are perfectly legitimate, not sexist. Nobody had a bad word for deLa Roccha, Haskil, and more.
>>
>> AB
>
> Well, I guess you're right, and there is just no other reason for the zero participation of women on RMCR other than that women don't know their way around a keyboard.
>
> Honestly, this is no criticism, it's just a fact that the majority of RMCR posters are rather crusty old white men

Who obsess over getting the latest re-re-re-re-issue of some obscure
recording!

[Herman]

On Tuesday, July 25, 2017 at 2:52:59 AM UTC+2, graham wrote:


> Who obsess over getting the latest re-re-re-re-issue of some obscure
> recording!

and whether the packaging arrived intact in the mail!

[laraine]

Some are probably on facebook or yahoo.
I've noticed Andrys on Piano Forums.

I would worry more about the young people,
who will have to learn about classical on
their own, I suppose.

C.

[O]

In article <3a0313a0-88da-4505...@googlegroups.com>,

...and there may be more who just haven't identified themselves as
being female. I don't know the point, really. On the internet, you
can be anyone (or any gender) you want. A la Alan Watkins. Our common
bond is supposed to be that of classical music recordings -- any
delineation by gender would seem to defeat that purpose. Lot of women
like classical music, and many of them also have opinions about things
like Yuja's fashions.

I think what keeps many people away was the bitter and vulgar attacks
among the people who used to be here. We lost a lot of good people
during that era.

-Owen

[gggg...@gmail.com]

Hamlet only had to deal with slings and arrows.

I should have such complaints.

[YM ​יוֹשִׁיוּכִּי‎]

On Wednesday, 26 July 2017 09:56:09 UTC+9, O wrote:
> In article <3a0313a0-88da-4505...@googlegroups.com>,
> laraine <lara...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I would worry more about the young people,
> > who will have to learn about classical on
> > their own, I suppose.

> I think what keeps many people away was the bitter and vulgar attacks
> among the people who used to be here. We lost a lot of good people
> during that era.

Don't throw your hypocrisy. People stop writing when he wrote enough truth (pl. if you like it.)

YM

[meyers...@gmail.com]

Didn't a lot of interesting and knowledgeable people get fed up and leave due to Deacon - it just wasn't worth the effort

[YM ​יוֹשִׁיוּכִּי‎]

Such can never be counted as efforts but immoral pleasures.

[meyers...@gmail.com]

Really - -I would think many of the informative and helpful postings here are the result of both time and effort.

[dk]

At least no one is accusing me! ;-)

dk

[graham]

Only some particularly thin-skinned people. His acerbic nature didn't
bother me and I'd welcome his return.

[AB]

let him stay where he is. a pompous ass who did not always know what he was talking about.

AB

[howie...@btinternet.com]

Re women, what happened to Lena?

[Ricardo Jimenez]

On Wed, 26 Jul 2017 23:30:50 -0700 (PDT), howie...@btinternet.com
wrote:

>Re women, what happened to Lena?

Who was the lady pianist who wrote a memorable take down analysis of
Schubert's D960? Whether you agreed or not, she certainly knew what
she was talking about.

[Andy Evans]

They say when the boat is sinking, women and children get out first.

I like Jaco Pastorius's version... "Women and rhythm section first"

[Al Eisner]

On Wed, 26 Jul 2017, AB wrote:

> On Wednesday, July 26, 2017 at 2:58:32 PM UTC-4, graham wrote:
>> On 2017-07-26 9:08 AM, meyers...@gmail.com wrote:

>>> On Wednesday, July 26, 2017 at 10:38:17 AM UTC-4, YM ?????????????? wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, 26 July 2017 09:56:09 UTC+9, O wrote:
>>>>> In article <3a0313a0-88da-4505...@googlegroups.com>,
>>>>> laraine <lara...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I would worry more about the young people,
>>>>>> who will have to learn about classical on
>>>>>> their own, I suppose.
>>>>> I think what keeps many people away was the bitter and vulgar attacks
>>>>> among the people who used to be here. We lost a lot of good people
>>>>> during that era.
>>>>
>>>> Don't throw your hypocrisy. People stop writing when he wrote enough truth (pl. if you like it.)
>>>>
>>>> YM
>>>
>>> Didn't a lot of interesting and knowledgeable people get fed up and leave due to Deacon - it just wasn't worth the effort
>>>
>> Only some particularly thin-skinned people. His acerbic nature didn't
>> bother me and I'd welcome his return.
>
> let him stay where he is. a pompous ass who did not always know what he was talking about.
>
> AB

I hope you're not setting an rmcr standard that participants must
ALWAYS know what they are talking about. Most (perhaps all) of us
would have to leave. :)
--
Al Eisner

[AB]

most of us demonstrate our ignorance with dignity and humor, TD displayed neither trait:-)

AB

[Herman]

It isn't ignorance of any kind that's keeping young participants and women out.

It's the intense rancor and all those decades-old feuds that make RMCR a really unattractive place to a lot of people. Looking in from the outside it's like the kind of bar where all the patrons look like they've been sitting at the bar for twenty years without ever seeing daylight.

How many years ago did Deacon decamp? And you're still talking with an intensity as if his presence is still hurting you in some weird way.

And then there's the one-upmanship. Of course Deacon, like everybody else, had pretty significant blind spots, but no matter how you look at his taste in piano music, he was a music professional. Pretty much all participants who are into music professionally have been driven out by know-it-all armchair generals.

[YM ​יוֹשִׁיוּכִּי‎]

Your political mishaps recorded.

[Bozo]

>On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 3:40:53 AM UTC-5, Herman wrote:
> Looking in from the outside it's like the kind of bar where all the patrons look like they've been sitting at the >bar for twenty years without ever seeing daylight.

" If I could live my life over again, I'd live it over a bar."

W.C.Fields

[AB]

at least Trump knows what to do with generals:-)

Deacon never hurt me, just a super, harmless racist irritant.

AB

[dk]

On Sunday, July 23, 2017 at 8:26:32 PM UTC-7, Bob Harper wrote:
> No new posts today. What's up?

Did we unionize? ;-)

dk

[Oscar]

herman, one thing I have never but NEVER done is use swear words in any postings, unless I was quoting someone else. I do not rage and insult and impugn with the coarsest possible language. Such vitriol largely came from the "music professionals" tom whom you refer, ostensibly the likes of Michael Schaffer, Mark Stenroos and Tom Deacon, among others. Why do music professionals get butt-hurt* so easily?

*butt is not a swear word, but an abbreviation for a part of the human anatomy (buttocks).

[graham]

On 2017-07-29 2:40 AM, Herman wrote:
> It isn't ignorance of any kind that's keeping young participants and women out.
>
> It's the intense rancor and all those decades-old feuds that make RMCR a really unattractive place to a lot of people.

It's not just RMCR but Usenet groups as a whole. I'm aware of several
that have collapsed and moved to "invitation only" Facebook groups.

[dk]

On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 12:34:54 AM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
> They say when the boat is sinking, women and children get out first.
>
> I like Jaco Pastorius's version... "Women and rhythm section first"

Cats first. No exceptions.

dk

[HT]

> Cats first. No exceptions.

If they are no ornaments but real cats, they take of that themselves. <g>

Henk

[HT]

Op zondag 30 juli 2017 10:55:30 UTC+2 schreef HT:

> > Cats first. No exceptions.
>
> If they are no ornaments but real cats, they take of that themselves. <g>

TAKE CARE

[YM ​יוֹשִׁיוּכִּי‎]

Thanks!

[Steve Emerson]

On Monday, July 24, 2017 at 10:51:29 AM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
> On 7/24/2017 1:38 PM, AB wrote:
> > On Monday, July 24, 2017 at 5:50:03 AM UTC-4, Herman wrote:
> >> On Monday, July 24, 2017 at 9:44:24 AM UTC+2, Andy Evans wrote:
> >>> We seem to be generally short of women and young people. Young people I can understand, but there are huge numbers of women in classical music. Seems they do other things than post of forums like this......
> >>
> >> Let's see... Why don't you check some of the comments on Yuja Wang, or pretty much any other youngish female performer, and perhaps you'll understand why no woman feels the urge to post here.
> >
> > come on Herman, cut the nonsense..... the criticisms of Wang are perfectly legitimate, not sexist. Nobody had a bad word for deLa Roccha, Haskil, and more.
> >
> > AB
> >
>
> Let's list women we remember participating in RMCR?
>
> 1.Andrys Basten
>
> I'm done.

That's it? You don't remember Lena? One of the most astute, and also delightful, posters we ever had here. Long ago, Margaret Mikulska, salty and extremely well informed. There was a woman who posted about opera. Piano teacher Geri. Val, aka La Virtuosa. The below-mentioned Larraine. Most left for the same reasons so many others have.

SE.

[HT]

> That's it? You don't remember Lena? One of the most astute, and also delightful, posters we ever had here. Long ago, Margaret Mikulska, salty and extremely well informed. There was a woman who posted about opera. Piano teacher Geri. Val, aka La Virtuosa. The below-mentioned Larraine. Most left for the same reasons so many others have.

It's a pity Lena and the others left. We're lucky that Lorraine is still among us. Her views are always well informed and often surprising.

Henk

[Frank Berger]

On 7/30/2017 11:56 AM, Steve Emerson wrote:
> On Monday, July 24, 2017 at 10:51:29 AM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
>> On 7/24/2017 1:38 PM, AB wrote:
>>> On Monday, July 24, 2017 at 5:50:03 AM UTC-4, Herman wrote:
>>>> On Monday, July 24, 2017 at 9:44:24 AM UTC+2, Andy Evans wrote:
>>>>> We seem to be generally short of women and young people. Young people I can understand, but there are huge numbers of women in classical music. Seems they do other things than post of forums like this......
>>>>
>>>> Let's see... Why don't you check some of the comments on Yuja Wang, or pretty much any other youngish female performer, and perhaps you'll understand why no woman feels the urge to post here.
>>>
>>> come on Herman, cut the nonsense..... the criticisms of Wang are perfectly legitimate, not sexist. Nobody had a bad word for deLa Roccha, Haskil, and more.
>>>
>>> AB
>>>
>>
>> Let's list women we remember participating in RMCR?
>>
>> 1.Andrys Basten
>>
>> I'm done.
>
> That's it?

Yes, that's all I remembered at the moment.

? You don't remember Lena? One of the most astute, and also
delightful, posters we ever had here. Long ago, Margaret
Mikulska, salty and extremely well informed.

Of course, I remember them.

There was a woman who posted about opera. Piano teacher
Geri. Val, aka La Virtuosa. The below-mentioned Larraine.
Most left for the same reasons so many others have.
>

Unless someone has explained why they stopped participating,
I will make no assumptions about the reason.

[dk]

Gerrie Collins.

dk

[YM ​יוֹשִׁיוּכִּי‎]

On Monday, 31 July 2017 02:21:23 UTC+9, Frank Berger wrote:
> On 7/30/2017 11:56 AM, Steve Emerson wrote:
> > On Monday, July 24, 2017 at 10:51:29 AM UTC-7, Frank Berger wrote:
> >> On 7/24/2017 1:38 PM, AB wrote:
> >>> On Monday, July 24, 2017 at 5:50:03 AM UTC-4, Herman wrote:
> >>>> On Monday, July 24, 2017 at 9:44:24 AM UTC+2, Andy Evans wrote:
> >>>>> We seem to be generally short of women and young people. Young people I can understand, but there are huge numbers of women in classical music. Seems they do other things than post of forums like this......
> >>>>
> >>>> Let's see... Why don't you check some of the comments on Yuja Wang, or pretty much any other youngish female performer, and perhaps you'll understand why no woman feels the urge to post here.
> >>>
> >>> come on Herman, cut the nonsense..... the criticisms of Wang are perfectly legitimate, not sexist. Nobody had a bad word for deLa Roccha, Haskil, and more.
> >>>
> >>> AB
> >>>
> >>
> >> Let's list women we remember participating in RMCR?
> >>
> >> 1.Andrys Basten
> >>
> >> I'm done.
> >
> > That's it?
>
> Yes, that's all I remembered at the moment.
>
> ? You don't remember Lena? One of the most astute, and also
> delightful, posters we ever had here. Long ago, Margaret
> Mikulska, salty and extremely well informed.
>
> Of course, I remember them.

I can only recall of MM as an extremely arrogant woman that
has charged me aggressively or whose lover is Roger Lustig at
Princeton.edu.

> There was a woman who posted about opera. Piano teacher
> Geri. Val, aka La Virtuosa. The below-mentioned Larraine.
> Most left for the same reasons so many others have.
> >
>
> Unless someone has explained why they stopped participating,
> I will make no assumptions about the reason.

Oh, are you supporting serial killers, or a kidnapper?

[dk]

Not really. You'd be surprised how easily
cats can panic and freeze. Cats are gentle,
sensitive souls that can be overwhelmed by
sudden events just as much as people can.

dk

[YM ​יוֹשִׁיוּכִּי‎]

On Monday, 31 July 2017 02:21:23 UTC+9, Frank Berger wrote:

> Unless someone has explained why they stopped participating,
> I will make no assumptions about the reason.

You must start your sentence with shall not will. Your way is dishonest and insane.

YM

[Ricardo Jimenez]

Was it Geri or Val who wrote that critique of Schubert's D960, the
point being that it was a very over rated piece of music? Yes, I miss
all of them but I have no way of knowing it was all for the same
reason. I am sure that many males have also left during the same
period.

[Herman]

On Sunday, July 30, 2017 at 9:50:56 PM UTC+2, Ricardo Jimenez wrote:

>
> Was it Geri or Val who wrote that critique of Schubert's D960, the
> point being that it was a very over rated piece of music? Yes, I miss
> all of them but I have no way of knowing it was all for the same
> reason. I am sure that many males have also left during the same
> period.

except there were never "many" women on RMCR. The sum total, historically, is five or six.

[HT]

> Cats are gentle,
> sensitive souls

They certainly can give one that impression - if they set their minds to it ...

Henk

[Bozo]

>On Sunday, July 30, 2017 at 1:09:16 PM UTC-5, dk wrote:
>Cats are gentle,
> sensitive souls

In which of their 9 lives ?

[YM ​יוֹשִׁיוּכִּי‎]

David.

[YM ​יוֹשִׁיוּכִּי‎]

Mario Taboada and Chicago Symphony's Mr. T.

[YM ​יוֹשִׁיוּכִּי‎]

Those five or six are lesser grade agents as you certainly deserve a seat.
Only dk and AC are real poster here. Rest are mostly garbage for a long
period of time. See Taboada's "bait" or Farhan on Philips.

YM

[YM ​יוֹשִׁיוּכִּי‎]

Are you among them; or, are you happen to be human?

YM

[YM ​יוֹשִׁיוּכִּי‎]

I only occasionally enjoyed talking with you or others because of agents' humour which
sense agent like Matthew B. Tepper or Tom Deacon totally lacks. Lorraine (simple agent)
or Lena (Grimaldi) to follow.
Do I need to add some list of extra names starting from, for example, david7gable for his Götterdämmerung?

YM

[YM ​יוֹשִׁיוּכִּי‎]

On Monday, 31 July 2017 06:00:57 UTC+9, HT wrote:

Or, are you talking about living musicians today? Possibly nope.

[HT]

> Are you among them; or, are you happen to be human?

Cats have more important things to do than posting here.

Henk

[HT]

> Do I need to add some list of extra names starting from, for example, david7gable for his Götterdämmerung?

Gotterdämmerung? I his posts about modern music.

Henk

[HT]

> You really don't understand cats.
> They have nothing important to do.

Are you sure that your cats are real cats and not just the feline equivalent of a lap dog? Don't they defend their territory, chase mice, birds, frogs, insects? Don't they follow you every spare moment they have in case you might forget them?

Henk

[abras...@gmail.com]

On Monday, July 24, 2017 at 12:44:24 AM UTC-7, Andy Evans wrote:
> We seem to be generally short of women and young people. Young people I can understand, but there are huge numbers of women in classical music. Seems they do other things than post of forums like this......

When women post here their posts are often ignored and in some cases dismissed by the elderly sexist males who dominate this group. Perhaps they also are weary of seeing posts about Yuja Wang's legs.

[Frank Berger]

Whole cloth.

[AB]

plenty of 'senior' men who are tired of those silly comments about Wang's legs.

AB

[graham]

On 2017-08-03 12:25 AM, dk wrote:

> On Monday, July 31, 2017 at 4:43:08 AM UTC-7, HT wrote:
>>> You really don't understand cats.
>>> They have nothing important to do.
>>
>> Are you sure that your cats are real cats and
>> not just the feline equivalent of a lap dog?
>

> There is no such thing as a "feline equivalent
> of a lap dog".

>
>> Don't they defend their territory, chase mice,
>> birds, frogs, insects?
>

> Of course they do -- when they run out of tuna.

>
>> Don't they follow you every spare moment they
>> have in case you might forget them?
>

> Not at all. Dogs follow. Cats have followers.
>
> Cats and Audis "never follow"!
>
> dk
>
It's a pity that their dealers have their heads stuck up their arses!

[Frank Berger]

On 8/3/2017 3:56 AM, HT wrote:
>
>> Cats and Audis "never follow"!
>

> An Audi man? They once were great cars, when they were stil Austrian.
>
> Henk
>

I had a 1973 Audi 100LS. A truly great car when it wasn't
broken. Problem was, it was always broken. Fan motor
caught fire, computer, emissions control system. I drove
into a Audi service dept (Santa Monica Blvd in West LA) with
bilious black smoke pouring from under the hood. The
service guy asked me if I had an appointment. I said no, if
I had known my car was going to catch fire I would have made
one, now would you please put out the fire. True story.
The week before the hood wouldn't open. When they fixed it
they tried to charge me for the repair. I said the car was
two weeks old it should be covered under the warranty. They
said it wasn't a "repair" it was an "adjustment" and
therefore not covered. I blew my stack and started
screaming that the f*ckng hood wouldn't open so it was
f*cking broken and I wasn't paying. He gave in.

[Herman]

On Friday, August 4, 2017 at 6:54:24 AM UTC+2, dk wrote:

>
> That was a very long time ago.

You forget that YMMV does not apply at RMCR.

The RMCR-posters that set the tone (and that's why this weird Audi discussion is apt) assume their experiences are absolute

[HT]

Op vrijdag 4 augustus 2017 03:28:37 UTC+2 schreef Frank Berger:

Surprised to see a deleted post cited. Audi isn't an Austrian car. My first encounter with an Audi was in Austria in the 1960s and it performed exceptionally well on mountain roads.

Henk

[YM ​יוֹשִׁיוּכִּי‎]

Their experiences were in fact absolute.

Cordially,
YM

[YM ​יוֹשִׁיוּכִּי‎]

On Friday, 4 August 2017 16:12:13 UTC+9, Herman wrote:

Your experiences are also from very long time ago.
But, you didn't set anything. Actually, you never wrote a single line.

YM

[Frank Berger]

My '73 conformed to a new set of California emissions
requirements. There was a rat's nest of plastic tubing
under the hood that was mostly absent in a friend's 72.
They drove like different cars. His was responsive, mine
not. Turns out you could bypass the emissions stuff fairly
easily by disconnecting this from that, which I did for a
time, but felt guilty about it or feared arrest or
something. Those plastic tubes had a tendency to form leaks
or to fall off their attachment points. I'm quite prepared
to believe that all Audis before or since were great cars
and that I got the only Nazi service attendant. There was
just bad karma about that car, that's all. The first week
had it something fell or was thrown out of an apartment
building and dented the middle of the roof.

[nmsz...@gmail.com]

In the future, if one can't get the proper attention inside the service department, leave it at the entrance to the show room.

[Frank Berger]

On 8/4/2017 4:49 PM, dk wrote:

> Depends on what vehicle one drives, and how it
> is driven. My passengers always reassure me
> their experiences while riding with me are
> absolute. ;-)
>
> dk
>

I don't know about anyone else, but all I did was relate my
experience with my particular car. I meant no
generalization about Audis because I don't have such an idea
in my head. The '73, however, was well-known to be
troublesome, especially the emission control system and the
fan motor. In addressing my burning fan motor, the dealer
told me that between '72 and '73 Audi had switched to a
cheaper motor that was causing problems, and they ended up
replacing mine with a '72 motor.