Ravel-Debussy: 2 piano recital
pianomaven
Just received a copy of this recital, which was taped in 2005 and
released in 2009. Like all things Russian it has taken a while to
penetrate to the West.
It contains the complete Nocturnes by Debussy in a two-piano
transcription. Previously I have only known the Lhevinnes in Fetes, I
think. (the ensemble here is very tricky and not as good as it is with
R&J, I must say) It also includes the Prelude to the Afternoon of a
Faun.
Then, by Ravel both La Valse and Bolero.
The pianists: Nikolai Petrov and Alexander Ghindin.
TD
graham
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> Just received a copy of this recital, which was taped in 2005 and
> released in 2009. Like all things Russian it has taken a while to
> penetrate to the West.
>
> It contains the complete Nocturnes by Debussy in a two-piano
> transcription. Previously I have only known the Lhevinnes in Fetes,
I'm sure that I have it with Collard and Berof on a 2fer.
Graham
Benjo Maso
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I have it also with Karin Lechner & Sergio Tiempo and Jean-François Heisser
& Georges Pludermacher.
Benjo Maso
Kip Williams
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>> transcription. Previously I have only known the Lhevinnes in Fetes,
>
> I'm sure that I have it with Collard and Berof on a 2fer.
>
> I have it also with Karin Lechner & Sergio Tiempo and Jean-François
> Heisser & Georges Pludermacher.
I have it performed by Scott & Coombs, and also by Achatz & Nagai, both
on CD. I've had Nadya & Steven Gordon's LP with it for a while longer.
Kip W
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> > Just received a copy of this recital, which was taped in 2005 and
> > released in 2009. Like all things Russian it has taken a while to
> > penetrate to the West.
>
> > transcription. Previously I have only known the Lhevinnes in Fetes,
>
> I'm sure that I have it with Collard and Berof on a 2fer.
I must have that somewhere, but forgot they had recorded the
Nocturnes, I must say. I'll have to look it out.
TD
Kip Williams
As far as I know, the 2-piano transcription is by Ravel.
There are also solo transcriptions of the Nocturnes, of which the first
two can be found in some collections. "Sirenes" is harder to locate. It
has a lot of notes, and both hands are in constant action. I have no
idea how it sounds. IMSLP doesn't have it.
Kip W
Alan Cooper
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Can you provide a reference, please. I have a single CD of Collard & Beroff in
EMI's Red Line series, but it includes only Nuages and Fetes (also Dukas' 2-piano
transcription of L'apprenti sorcier, Bizet's Jeux d'enfants, etc.).
AC
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Graham
Alan Cooper
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>>>> Just received a copy of this recital, which was taped in 2005
>>>> and released in 2009. Like all things Russian it has taken a
>>>> while to penetrate to the West.
>>>>
>>>> It contains the complete Nocturnes by Debussy in a two-piano
>>>> transcription. Previously I have only known the Lhevinnes in
>>>> Fetes,
>>>
>>> I'm sure that I have it with Collard and Berof on a 2fer.
>>> Graham
>>
>> Can you provide a reference, please. I have a single CD of
>> Collard & Beroff in
>> EMI's Red Line series, but it includes only Nuages and Fetes
>> (also Dukas' 2-piano
>> transcription of L'apprenti sorcier, Bizet's Jeux d'enfants,
>> etc.).
>>
>> AC
>>
> It was an EMI 2fer: "Debussy & Ravel - complete works for piano
> duet & 2 pianos" 7243 5 86510 2 7
Thanks. That one also includes only Nuages and Fetes, right?
AC
graham
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very well without "backup singers" {:-)
Graham
Alan Cooper
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>>>>>> Just received a copy of this recital, which was taped in
>>>>>> 2005 and released in 2009. Like all things Russian it has
>>>>>> taken a while to penetrate to the West.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It contains the complete Nocturnes by Debussy in a
>>>>>> two-piano transcription. Previously I have only known the
>>>>>> Lhevinnes in Fetes,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sure that I have it with Collard and Berof on a 2fer.
>>>>> Graham
>>>>
>>>> Can you provide a reference, please. I have a single CD of
>>>> Collard & Beroff in
>>>> EMI's Red Line series, but it includes only Nuages and Fetes
>>>> (also Dukas' 2-piano
>>>> transcription of L'apprenti sorcier, Bizet's Jeux d'enfants,
>>>> etc.).
>>>>
>>>> AC
>>>>
>>> It was an EMI 2fer: "Debussy & Ravel - complete works for
>>> piano duet & 2 pianos" 7243 5 86510 2 7
>>
>> Thanks. That one also includes only Nuages and Fetes, right?
>>
> Yes! They are transcriptions by Ravel. I don't think Sirčnes
> would work very well without "backup singers" {:-)
I know what you mean, but the 2-piano version of Sirenes is surprisingly atmospheric
in its own right. Several previously mentioned recordings of the Ravel
transcriptions (Petrov/Ghindin, Scott/Coombs, Achatz/Nagai) do include all three of
the Nocturnes.
AC
Kip Williams
>> would work very well without "backup singers" {:-)
>
> I know what you mean, but the 2-piano version of Sirenes is surprisingly atmospheric
> in its own right. Several previously mentioned recordings of the Ravel
> transcriptions (Petrov/Ghindin, Scott/Coombs, Achatz/Nagai) do include all three of
> the Nocturnes.
Seeing a recording of only the first two Nocturnes would be sufficient
reason for me to consider not buying the CD, unless there was something
else really compelling there that I don't have from anybody else.
It would be interesting to hear a version of Sirčnes for piano and
wordless chorus.
Kip W
Alan Cooper
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> Alan Cooper wrote:
>> "graham"<g.st...@shaw.ca> wrote in
>> news:lDUzp.3016$tC6....@newsfe03.iad:
>>
>>> Yes! They are transcriptions by Ravel. I don't think Sirčnes
>>> would work very well without "backup singers" {:-)
>>
>> I know what you mean, but the 2-piano version of Sirenes is
>> surprisingly atmospheric in its own right. Several previously
>> mentioned recordings of the Ravel transcriptions
>> (Petrov/Ghindin, Scott/Coombs, Achatz/Nagai) do include all
>> three of the Nocturnes.
>
> Seeing a recording of only the first two Nocturnes would be
> sufficient reason for me to consider not buying the CD, unless
> there was something else really compelling there that I don't
> have from anybody else.
I agree in principle, and in fact acquired the Beroff/Collard CD mainly for Dukas'
fascinating 2-piano version of L'apprenti sorcier. You might not find that
"compelling," but I did. Recordings of the Dukas are not exactly thick on the
ground, although one by Pascal and Ami Roge came out recently that I haven't
heard. Argerich and Rabinovitch play a transcription by Rabinovitch that seems
rather pointless.
AC
Kip Williams
> Kip Williams<k...@rochester.rr.com> wrote in
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>> sufficient reason for me to consider not buying the CD, unless
>> there was something else really compelling there that I don't
>> have from anybody else.
>
> I agree in principle, and in fact acquired the Beroff/Collard CD mainly for Dukas'
> fascinating 2-piano version of L'apprenti sorcier. You might not find that
> "compelling," but I did. Recordings of the Dukas are not exactly thick on the
> ground, although one by Pascal and Ami Roge came out recently that I haven't
> heard. Argerich and Rabinovitch play a transcription by Rabinovitch that seems
> rather pointless.
I have that version — Argerich & Rabinovitch — and like it well enough,
but one by the composer would seem more desirable to me. Maybe Amazon
will sell me that track by itself. I also have an organ version of the
piece.
One nice thing about mp3s is that it allows more of a cafeteria approach
sometimes.
Kip W
Kip Williams
> One nice thing about mp3s is that it allows more of a cafeteria approach
> sometimes.
(Ah, I see the Sorcier is 44 seconds over 10 minutes long. That means
it'll be a "CD Only" selection if eMusic ever gets it. Amazon only
offers the CD, not the mp3s. There are limitations to this method!)
Kip W
Norman Schwartz
I'm not sure which track it is that you want Amazon to sell by itself.
However they do sell the Roge/Roge track of Dukas L'apprenti sorcier for 99
cents:
http://www.amazon.com/Wedding-Cake-French-Music-Pianos/dp/B002Y2BTXY/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1305556252&sr=1-1-fkmr0
Kip Williams
> Kip Williams wrote:
>> Alan Cooper wrote:
>>> Kip Williams<k...@rochester.rr.com> wrote in
>>> news:wNXzp.3114$tC6....@newsfe03.iad:
>>>
>>>> Seeing a recording of only the first two Nocturnes would be
>>>> sufficient reason for me to consider not buying the CD, unless
>>>> there was something else really compelling there that I don't
>>>> have from anybody else.
>>>
>>> I agree in principle, and in fact acquired the Beroff/Collard CD
>>> mainly for Dukas' fascinating 2-piano version of L'apprenti sorcier.
>>> You might not find that "compelling," but I did. Recordings of the
>>> Dukas are not exactly thick on the ground, although one by Pascal
>>> and Ami Roge came out recently that I haven't heard. Argerich and
>>> Rabinovitch play a transcription by Rabinovitch that seems rather
>>> pointless.
>>
>> enough, but one by the composer would seem more desirable to me.
>> Maybe Amazon will sell me that track by itself. I also have an organ
>> version of the piece.
>
> I'm not sure which track it is that you want Amazon to sell by itself.
The Sorceror's Apprentice.
> However they do sell the Roge/Roge track of Dukas L'apprenti sorcier for 99
> cents:
> http://www.amazon.com/Wedding-Cake-French-Music-Pianos/dp/B002Y2BTXY/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1305556252&sr=1-1-fkmr0
Excellent! Downloading it now. I was trying to find it by, um Beroff and
Collard. The Wedding Cake looks interesting as well, but I can get that
from emusic for 69 cents. Thanks!
Kip W
Norman Schwartz
Your most welcome, and I'm happy to have been of assistance.
Norman
> Kip W
Al Eisner
> Alan Cooper wrote:
>> "graham"<g.st...@shaw.ca> wrote in
>> news:lDUzp.3016$tC6....@newsfe03.iad:
>>
>>> Yes! They are transcriptions by Ravel. I don't think Sirènes
>>> would work very well without "backup singers" {:-)
>>
>> I know what you mean, but the 2-piano version of Sirenes is surprisingly
>> atmospheric
>> in its own right. Several previously mentioned recordings of the Ravel
>> transcriptions (Petrov/Ghindin, Scott/Coombs, Achatz/Nagai) do include all
>> three of
>> the Nocturnes.
>
> Seeing a recording of only the first two Nocturnes would be sufficient reason
> for me to consider not buying the CD, unless there was something else really
> compelling there that I don't have from anybody else.
>
> It would be interesting to hear a version of Sirènes for piano and wordless
> chorus.
Hmmmmmm -- did Glenn Gould ever play the work?
--
Al Eisner