Did John Lennon have Aspergers Syndrome?
TheWalrusWasDanny
Obsessive about particular things?
Clumsy?
Lack of Empathy?
Talked about himself a lot?
Signs of genius in one particular subject?
Odd?
Avoided Eye Contact?
Hated small talk?
Discuss....
Danny
The Kaparot Kid
The Home Guard
Is it feasible for someone with Asperger's to get up on stage virtually
every night for the five years or so that The Beatles did? I'm no expert
on the subject...
I think that, more than anything else, John showed classic signs of
someone who never came to terms with losing people close to him early in
life.
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Mack A. Damia
John Doherty
Simple answer is no.
People with Asperger's have trouble sustaining relationships, find it
impossible to read facial cues, often go on at staggering length about
their particular singular enthusiasm (i.e. trains, or the US Civil War
to name two that some have).
back to your check list:
> Socially closed?
Lennon was always popular from an early age, a leader among boys and
later a "rude boy" admired and or feared by his peers. So, no.
> Obsessive about particular things?
Not to the exclusion of other things. Sure, he dug Brigitte Bardot,
Elvis and Chuck Berry but plenty of other things as well. No again.
> Clumsy?
Not sure that's an Asperger's trait, but I don't recall Lennon
described as clumsy except when he refused to wear glasses out of
vanity.
> Lack of Empathy?
As a kid he was quite mean on occasion, but that's not unusual among
teenage boys. As an adult he was quite empathetic, at least in
thoughtful interviews, and far more articulate about feelings than any
Asperger's case I've heard about.
> Talked about himself a lot?
When he was being interviewed about himself, yeah..
> Signs of genius in one particular subject?
This is usually an encyclopedic knowledge of one subject. This is not
to be confused with the Autistic Savant, a person who may not be able
to function normally in speech or other ways, but can play the piano
by ear or count cards like Rainman.
> Odd?
"The only normal people are the one's you don't know very well." -
Afred Adler.
> Avoided Eye Contact? Never met him, but film & video indicates otherwise.
> Hated small talk?
didn't suffer fools gladly, in other words.
I think you are trying to hammer a puzzle piece into place.
TheWalrusWasDanny
I'm not saying he did have AS..I'm just opening it up for
discussion....AS sufferers are within a wide spectrum..
My Check list again...
Socially closed?
He went back to YO and willingly closed himself off from family and
friends...it's like he wanted it..
Obsessive about particular things?
The Beatles and music..he was obsessive about that.
Clumsy?
Don't know..
Lack of Empathy?
There are loads of stories which illustrate this..leaving his son who
was 5.
Talked about himself a lot?
Not just interviews..but all the songs he wrote are
autobiographical..McCartney's not so.
Signs of genius in one particular subject?
!!!!
Odd?
He was odd.
Avoided Eye Contact?
Don't know about this..Fred and May would know...
Hated small talk?
I would say he probably did..but I have no evidence..
Danny
The Nice Mean Man
He was socially weird because of the NURTURING he did not receive. Now-
days all of you young fucks like to have some kinda creepy medical
label affixed to it.. Okay... He suffered from CRBT (Chronic Raised By
Trash Syndrome) complicated by a terminal case of NIEGS (Nobody
Important Ever Gave a Shit).
Does that make his boo-boo all better?
check out his family made up of typical low-class white fuck-ups
rwalker
<cont...@theSPAMTRAPhomeguard.info> wrote:
>TheWalrusWasDanny wrote:
>> Socially closed?
>> Obsessive about particular things?
>> Clumsy?
>> Lack of Empathy?
>> Talked about himself a lot?
>> Signs of genius in one particular subject?
>> Odd?
>> Avoided Eye Contact?
>> Hated small talk?
>
>Is it feasible for someone with Asperger's to get up on stage virtually
>every night for the five years or so that The Beatles did? I'm no expert
>on the subject...
>
>I think that, more than anything else, John showed classic signs of
>someone who never came to terms with losing people close to him early in
>life.
Arm chair psychoanalysis is dangerous at best. Lennon didn't meet the
criteria of Asperger's any more than any public figure who is
microscopically examined in every detail of his life.
ermitano
wrote:
i can give to your friend John Lennon the phone number of my
psychiatrist
who?
wrote:
Avoided eye contact? Hated small talk?
BlackMonk
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Sounds like half the people in the world.
BlackMonk
"TheWalrusWasDanny" <dannyist...@tesco.net> wrote in message
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>> I think you are trying to hammer a puzzle piece into place.
>
> I'm not saying he did have AS..I'm just opening it up for
> discussion....AS sufferers are within a wide spectrum..
>
> My Check list again...
>
> Socially closed?
>
> He went back to YO and willingly closed himself off from family and
> friends...it's like he wanted it..
>
Well, he did, or he wouldn't have done it, but he didn't close himself off
from the entire world. He just didn't spend as much time with the people
that you think he should have spent time with.
> Obsessive about particular things?
>
> The Beatles and music..he was obsessive about that.
>
He was a Beatle and a musician.
> Clumsy?
>
> Don't know..
>
> Lack of Empathy?
>
> There are loads of stories which illustrate this..leaving his son who
> was 5.
>
Many men leave their children. Does everyone who has a failed marriage have
Aspergers?
> Talked about himself a lot?
>
> Not just interviews..but all the songs he wrote are
> autobiographical..McCartney's not so.
>
Most songwriters are autobiographical to a similar extent. Most writers draw
upon themselves. Who else do they know as well?
> Signs of genius in one particular subject?
>
> !!!!
>
Not a symptom of Aspergers, and genius in an art is subjective.
> Odd?
>
> He was odd.
>
Most people are.
ermitano
> "BlackMonk" <BlackM...@email.msn.com> wrote:
> > Sounds like half of RMB.
>
> > Sounds like half the people in the world.
>
> kids today have Aspergers. Seriously? I feel pretty skeptical about
> something being that prevalent and still being classified as a
> "disorder" rather than simply a personality type.
>
> Whatever happened to plain old "introversion"?
you cannot be introvert, you have to produce like anybody else, and if
you don't want to, you're mentally ill. but don't worry about it, cos
there's plenty of treatments and drugs to cure your madness.
oi
> On Nov 15, 8:46 pm, poisoned rose <pro...@wipingbottoms.com> wrote:
> I feel pretty skeptical about
>
> > something being that prevalent and still being classified as a
> > "disorder" rather than simply a personality type.
>
> > Whatever happened to plain old "introversion"?
>
Now that was good.
oi
> I think you are trying to hammer a puzzle piece into place.
It's a man's life in the Yokotards.
who?
Haha.
Mack A. Damia
<pro...@wipingbottoms.com> wrote:
>"BlackMonk" <Blac...@email.msn.com> wrote:
>
>> Sounds like half of RMB.
>>
>> Sounds like half the people in the world.
>
>Seems like I recently saw something on TV claiming that 1 out of 110
>kids today have Aspergers. Seriously? I feel pretty skeptical about
>something being that prevalent and still being classified as a
>"disorder" rather than simply a personality type.
>
>Whatever happened to plain old "introversion"?
Lennon didn't have Asperger's. Having worked with autistic kids in
special education for many years, I can tell you that it's far more
complex than mere introversion.
And one out of 110 is less than 1%. Sounds reasonable.
Fattuchus
IMO Lennon had certain emotional issues, but I don't think he had
Asperger's Syndrome. I've read a few discussions on the internet that
he may have had some attention deficit disorder.
I do think Lennon was a very insecure person, largely due to his
childhood. IMO John would talk about himself and sometimes act macho
because he was "an angry young man." On the outside, he would
demonstrate this macho bravado while on the inside he was a big mush.
Fattuchus
wrote:
> > I think you are trying to hammer a puzzle piece into place.
>
> I'm not saying he did have AS..I'm just opening it up for
> discussion....AS sufferers are within a wide spectrum..
>
> My Check list again...
>
> Socially closed?
>
> He went back to YO and willingly closed himself off from family and
> friends...it's like he wanted it..
IMO that happened for a number of reasons, but not due to Asperger's
Syndrome.
First, John had a bossy, controlling wife.
Second, and as someone once aptly mentioned here at rmb, IMO John knew
that he tended to "run wild." Left on his own, John tended to consume
large quantities of drugs and alcohol and get into trouble. Yoko was
an Aunt Mimi figure to him: tough, cold, controlling, bossy. She kept
John "in line."
Fattuchus
>
> I'm not saying he did have AS..I'm just opening it up for
> discussion....AS sufferers are within a wide spectrum..
>
> My Check list again...
>
> Hated small talk?
>
> I would say he probably did..but I have no evidence..
>
> Danny
I don't know what you mean by "hated small talk." I've read quite a
bit about John which suggests he loved to talk and philosophize. But
IMO John did not feel comfortable meeting or chatting with "the upper
classes" because he saw himself as a working class hero, a down to
earth blue collar kinda guy who felt that "establishment types" would
tend to look down on him.
oi
> I do think Lennon was a very insecure person
Maybe it had something to do with having nearly every move of his
adult life documented, discussed, photographed, filmed, and critiqued
-- well past his death. Some can handle it, some can't.
Fattuchus
> "TheWalrusWasDanny" <dannyisthewal...@tesco.net> wrote in message
>
> news:b5bce46a-8390-4fb7...@fv1g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> I think you are trying to hammer a puzzle piece into place.
>
> > I'm not saying he did have AS..I'm just opening it up for
> > discussion....AS sufferers are within a wide spectrum..
>
> > My Check list again...
>
> > Socially closed?
>
> > He went back to YO and willingly closed himself off from family and
> > friends...it's like he wanted it..
>
> Well, he did, or he wouldn't have done it, but he didn't close himself off
> from the entire world. He just didn't spend as much time with the people
> that you think he should have spent time with.
John himself admitted that he pretty much closed himself off from the
world like Greta Garbo or Howard Hughs. There were a number of
reports that his English family, including Julian and his half sister
Julia Baird, had trouble reaching him at times.
Mack A. Damia
wrote:
I can almost read his mind when I see newsreels of him speaking. When
he was on stage, he was part of "The Band", and he just played his
part. Otherwise, he was just an ordinary bloke like most of us with an
enormous talent who got thrown into world-fame overnight.
ermitano
oh my god! so Aunt Mimi was tough, cold, controlling and bossy... i
guess she was the real devil not Yoko!!
anyway... i've always hated Aunt Mimi and her stupid and non sense
avangarde art.
Fattuchus
I didn't say Mimi was the devil . . . . but that description is based
on many bios. Everything I've read suggests Mimi was not the warm,
carefree, hugs and kisses type of person, like her kid sister, Julia.
Mimi and Julia were quite opposite as far as their personalities.
All this may have been even more confusing to John when he was a young
boy . . . . having two maternal figures in his life who were so
different in personalities.
topaz
Excellent point. He was rejected by his parents at a young age and
he knew it. I am not sure how old he was when he found out that his
mother was living so close by also.
topaz
> "BlackMonk" <BlackM...@email.msn.com> wrote:
> > Sounds like half of RMB.
>
> > Sounds like half the people in the world.
>
> kids today have Aspergers. Seriously? I feel pretty skeptical about
> something being that prevalent and still being classified as a
> "disorder" rather than simply a personality type.
>
> Whatever happened to plain old "introversion"?
I believe in general there is an overzealousness to label children as
having some kind of mental problem. It is possible that certain
illnesses went unrecognized years ago that is true. However, I
believe in many school systems there is extra help available and
social support for a child labelled as having a mental issue like
Attention Deficit and probably autism or Aspoerger's.
The social system almost encourages teachers, parents and health
professionals to look very hard for this labels, so 'little Jane" or
"little Johnnie" will get that extra help etc and the school will get
that extra funding. Are there any teachers out there who can verify
this? I believe the schools get extra money--so critical these days--
depending on whether the child is labelled with a learning disability
or a mental issue.
I agree with Mr Rose on this one. What happened to 'introversion' ,
or perhaps a more challenging question: What happened to an intact
family with good parenting and parents who take a real interest in
their kids education? When the TV becomes the main babysitter, and
the parents are not involved then the society blames the schools and
the teachers for the kid's poor grades.
TheWalrusWasDanny
> on many bios. Everything I've read suggests Mimi was not the warm,
> carefree, hugs and kisses type of person, like her kid sister, Julia.
> Mimi and Julia were quite opposite as far as their personalities.
This is yet another myth..Mimi was great..she took John in and raised
him..when fans visited her house during the Beatles heyday she'd
invite them in and give em a cup of tea. One of the ex rmbers that I
know well befriended her and used to visit regulary..she still
sporadically posts in here..it was her that put me in touch with
Lizzie Bravo who commented on the Across the Universe vid...
Danny
oi
wrote:
> > I didn't say Mimi was the devil . . . . but that description is based
> > on many bios. Everything I've read suggests Mimi was not the warm,
> > carefree, hugs and kisses type of person, like her kid sister, Julia.
> > Mimi and Julia were quite opposite as far as their personalities.
>
> This is yet another myth..Mimi was great..
But...but...it was written "in many bios" that she was! If it was in a
book, it *must* be true!
Fattuchus
Perhaps my words were unclear or accidentally harsh. Yes, Mimi was
very generous and kind to take John in. But I agree with the comments
made by another poster that Mimi and her sister Julia were quite
opposite in tempermant. Julia was carefree, liked art and music,
liked to party, had many boyfriends, joked around, had three kids out
of wedlock, etc. Mimi was much more "establishment", a social
climber, stricter, more concerned about acting "proper" , as best as I
can tell, not nearly as affectionate as Julia.
For example, John said Mimi was not happy with his scouser accent.
And Paul mentioned in Many Years From Now (or was it some other
book??) that when he would come to Mimi's to see John, Mimi was not
very welcoming to him. I cannot recall what Paul said exactly, but
Paul's comments suggested that Mimi looked down on him.
Mimi's aspirations were very middle class or even upper middle class.
John's aspirations were "working class."
Several people who knew John (including Paul McCartney and Fred
Seaman) commented that John did not have a lot of physical affection
as a child and thus grew up into a love starved adult.
The Arranger
> "BlackMonk" <BlackM...@email.msn.com> wrote:
>
> > Sounds like half the people in the world.
>
> kids today have Aspergers. Seriously? I feel pretty skeptical about
> something being that prevalent and still being classified as a
> "disorder" rather than simply a personality type.
>
> Whatever happened to plain old "introversion"?
It's more than introversion. As with anything of this nature, there is
a spectrum. Evberyone has anxiety; some people have it to the degree
they can't function. Some people have certain Asperger traits but
would not be diagnosed with Asperger's. Some people have enought to
get the diagnosis but still function. Others are nearly incapable of
maintaining a "normal" relationship.
You get more of them on Usenet or discussion boards because they draw
people obsessed with a certain topic. Compulsive list-making is one
common trait of those with Asperger's.
John Lennon never struck me as even being close to having an
Asperger's personality.
The Arranger
John Doherty
> > I think you are trying to hammer a puzzle piece into place.
>
On Nov 15, 6:02 pm, TheWalrusWasDanny <dannyisthewal...@tesco.net>
wrote:
> I'm not saying he did have AS..I'm just opening it up for
> discussion....
Oh, in that case I'll start a thread wondering if maybe he had
restless leg syndrome. ;-)
Not that I think he had it, I just want to open it up for
discussion...
>AS sufferers are within a wide spectrum..
Actually, not so much. First off, most of them don't see their
situation as something they "suffer". The people who live with them
do, of course.;-) But most people with Asperger's think other people
are more odd with all the rituals of mating and facial expressions
that they miss. These people are quite happy devoting themselves to
their own particular enthusiasm to the exclusion of the rest of the
world. The "spectrum" you allude to is all of the people in the autism
spectrum, which can range from people with no speech who are literally
"head bangers" (required to wear a helmet to keep from self injurious
behaviors) to Asperger's Syndrome people on the high end.
You can make a semi-logical case that Bill Gates, for instance, might
have Asperger's. It fits the engineer sort of personality, but not
usually the performing artist type, which requires much more
adaptability than any Asperger's person can usually muster.
Engineer joke:
Q: How do you know if the engineer you are dealing with is an
Extrovert or an Introvert?
A: If he's an Extrovert, he looks at your shoes while he's talking to
you.
(ba-doom)
>
> My Check list again...
>
> Socially closed?
>
> He went back to YO and willingly closed himself off from family and
> friends...it's like he wanted it..
wanted to be married and left alone with his wife? That sounds like
grounds for commitment.;-)
>
> Obsessive about particular things?
>
> The Beatles and music..he was obsessive about that.
Lennon's obsession was at the core of the Beatles; if you want to
"armchair shrink" it, it was his lack of parental affection that drove
him to seek worldly fame. And when he got to the mountaintop, he
realized that wasn't enough. Then he found that his wife Yoko could
provide a temporary relief from "the wound that wouldn't heal".
>
> Clumsy?
>
> Don't know..
>
> Lack of Empathy?
>
> There are loads of stories which illustrate this..leaving his son who
> was 5.
I'm sure there are stories in your past & mine that could be used to
demonstrate a "lack of empathy". The difference in people with
Asperger's is they rarely have other anecdotal moments to illustrate
the presence of empathy. Lennon has plenty, from buying Pete Shotton a
supermarket and Mimi a home to his extreme devotion to Sean in his
last five years. Cherry picking through someone's life to find
incidents to fit a diagnosis is not fair.
>
> Talked about himself a lot?
>
> Not just interviews..but all the songs he wrote are
> autobiographical..McCartney's not so.
Does this mean that every memoirist is autistic?
>
> Signs of genius in one particular subject?
>
> !!!!
>
> Odd?
>
> He was odd.
>
> Avoided Eye Contact?
>
> Don't know about this..Fred and May would know...
>
> Hated small talk?
>
> I would say he probably did..but I have no evidence..
keep hammering, but people with experience with this diagnosis beyond
a TV program or magazine article know you are barking up the wrong
tree here.
ADD, ADHD, that dog might hunt. But Lennon clearly did not have
anything in the autism spectrum.
JohnB
That's well written and says everything I'd have wanted to say if I'd
had the ability to put it into words. My experience of Aspergers/
Autism is limited (my wife has taught "sufferers" - but you're right,
they don't really think of themselves as sufferers) but if a layman
would like to understand more, s/he could do worse than read The
Curious Incident Of The Dog In The Nighttime. It's a very good read
anyway (and shouldn't detain you long). Thus armed, I think any
thoughts of Lennon in this context will be quickly set aside.
ADD/ADHD are two syndromes which a certain obsessive on this group
likes to throw at those he doesn't agree with. I thought this sort of
behaviour went out in the the seventies, like calling people "spas"
and "mong". I have some experience of real sufferers there too, as
well as a deeper understanding of OCB.
I don't honestly think John suffered from any of these. He was more
probably insecure and traumatised by events in his early life, but
this is well documented. What's that poem by Philip Larkin?
This Be The Verse
They fuck you up, your mum and dad.
They may not mean to, but they do.
They fill you with the faults they had
And add some extra, just for you.
But they were fucked up in their turn
By fools in old-style hats and coats,
Who half the time were soppy-stern
And half at one another's throats.
Man hands on misery to man.
It deepens like a coastal shelf.
Get out as early as you can,
And don't have any kids yourself.
scouser
From what i have read and seen and heard i think its wrong to put
blame on Aunt Mimi - she gave what she was capable of giving and i am
sure John knew this and appreciated her anyhow. i think it was Julia
who was wrong. She made John make a choice between his father and
herself knowing all the time she was going home to Liverpool to hand
over John to Mimi. Now THAT seems to be just an action borne out of
ego. So the little boy did not go with his Father (who he had
originally chosen) and went instead with the Mother who abandoned him
the very same day. Yes she was charming and fun etc etc and therefore
still kept the love of the young John.So if there is blame for
insecurity to be put anywhere i would suggest it is at her door it be
placed. He lost a Father with whom he could have had fun and a Mother
on the same day.
globular
> Socially closed?
> Obsessive about particular things?
> Clumsy?
> Lack of Empathy?
> Talked about himself a lot?
> Signs of genius in one particular subject?
> Odd?
> Avoided Eye Contact?
> Hated small talk?
>
> Discuss....
>
> Danny
Funny, I was wondering the same thing about Paul McCartney.
People can unlearn some of the these things. Does that mean they aren't
like this any more?
The Nice Mean Man
> > > I think you are trying to hammer a puzzle piece into place.
<snip>
> ADD, ADHD, that dog might hunt. But Lennon clearly did not have
> anything in the autism spectrum.-
Another fantasy "disease" made up by liberals who live in a fantasy
world. These so-called disorders only surfaced when the left started
to have children. And it's no surprise that "NO" was a four-letter
word. Disciplining simply went out the window. They withheld corporal
punishment and let the little holy terrors do whatever they wanted,
whenever they pleased. Consequently their children were left on their
own to turn into exactly what any child left to live like Tarzan with
his apes will be... Brats. Hoodlums.. Criminals.
They couldn’t face the fact that their way was totally WRONG and
their parent's way was totally RIGHT, so they "made up" a couple of
new LABELS for their failure. ADD and ADHD. Fantasy conditions made up
by fantasy-driven people. They’re not even recognized by the British
Medical Associations!
Next came the "treatment". It consists of one thing... Drugs. I mean,
how else are you going to deal with a MONSTER that you created? One
that would have been just fine if it had the fear of God whipped into
it early-on. Dope 'em into a compliant stupor so they won't disrupt
the class. That's you're only answer....
TNMM
Lawnchair Larry
Speaking of the menatlly challenged...
TheWalrusWasDanny
> have Asperger's.
I thought he did have..twas common knowledge I believed..Issac
Newton..Einstein..Michael Palin..Michael Jackson..
Danny
TheWalrusWasDanny
> People can unlearn some of the these things. Does that mean they aren't
> like this any more?
Macca writes material about other people (not always fair enough...)
Secretaries (Another Day)..and such
JL wrote about himself.
I don't think Macca shows signs of AS.
Danny
Frank from Deeeetroit
> Socially closed?
> Obsessive about particular things?
In Keith Richard's new book, Keith said John was obsessed about
music. Not saying John suffered from this syndrome.
> Clumsy?
> Lack of Empathy?
Displayed some as a young man and to some degree with Julian.
> Talked about himself a lot?
Yes.
> Signs of genius in one particular subject?
In music composition he passed with flying colors.
> Odd?
Evident after he met Yoko.
> Avoided Eye Contact?
Most celebrities and pro athletes do.
Crisstti
> "TheWalrusWasDanny" <dannyisthewal...@tesco.net> wrote in message
>
> news:b5bce46a-8390-4fb7...@fv1g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > My Check list again...
>
> > Socially closed?
>
> > He went back to YO and willingly closed himself off from family and
> > friends...it's like he wanted it..
>
> from the entire world. He just didn't spend as much time with the people
> that you think he should have spent time with.
>
From what I understand, he hardly had contact with anyone...
> > Obsessive about particular things?
>
> > The Beatles and music..he was obsessive about that.
>
> He was a Beatle and a musician.
>
> > Clumsy?
>
> > Don't know..
>
> > Lack of Empathy?
>
> > There are loads of stories which illustrate this..leaving his son who
> > was 5.
>
> Many men leave their children. Does everyone who has a failed marriage have
> Aspergers?
>
Not everyone who has a failed marriage leaves their children.
Not that I think he had Asperger's. I would highly doubt it. Don't
see anything to indicate that.
> > Talked about himself a lot?
>
> > Not just interviews..but all the songs he wrote are
> > autobiographical..McCartney's not so.
>
> Most songwriters are autobiographical to a similar extent. Most writers draw
> upon themselves. Who else do they know as well?
>
> > Signs of genius in one particular subject?
>
> > !!!!
>
> Not a symptom of Aspergers, and genius in an art is subjective.
>
> > Odd?
>
> > He was odd.
>
> Most people are.
Mack A. Damia
<pro...@walkingJeffdownthehalltothebathroom.com> wrote:
>Mack A. Damia <mybaco...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Having worked with autistic kids in
>> special education for many years, I can tell you that it's far more
>> complex than mere introversion.
>>
>> And one out of 110 is less than 1%. Sounds reasonable.
>
>Yeah, but you're interchanging Aspergers and autism here. Not kosher.
Of course you know there's a spectrum.
ermitano
A good psychiatrist (and a doctor in general) won't give a diagnosis
until he met with his patient.
I don't see the point making a personality analysis based on books and
opinions by "people who knew" John, Aunt Mimi or Martha (my dear).
We only have "opinions based on", we're making a very relative idea
about people who we don't know at all.. not even close... especially
when we're analysing an artist with Asperger Syndrome like John
Lennon.. shit!, that guy was really mad*
* in my opinion (based on several books).
P.S. Now I see the point!....... it's fun.
Mack A. Damia
<pro...@walkingJeffdownthehalltothebathroom.com> wrote:
>Sure, but your argument was essentially "You have doubts about overeager
>Aspergers diagnoses? Well, I've seen severely autistic children who
>obviously have something very wrong with them."
>
>You don't believe I have a sprained ankle? Well, check these photos I
>found on the Web of shattered ankles with bones sticking out through the
>skin.
Yeah. Right.
The Nice Mean Man
>
> - Show quoted text -
Fuck off, you nigger-loving piece of leftist shit. I wasn’t addressing
you.
The Nice Mean Man
The Nice Mean Man
> On Tue, 16 Nov 2010 08:35:40 -0800, poisoned rose
>
> <pro...@walkingJeffdownthehalltothebathroom.com> wrote:
>
> >> Having worked with autistic kids in
> >> special education for many years, I can tell you that it's far more
> >> complex than mere introversion.
>
> >> And one out of 110 is less than 1%. Sounds reasonable.
>
> >Yeah, but you're interchanging Aspergers and autism here. Not kosher.
>
> Of course you know there's a spectrum.
Well, HELLO, Mac the RAT!! Been ratting to the FBI lately on any of
your political enemies that you can't drive away with FEAR?
LOL..............................!~!!!!!~!
I'm STILL here, near and dear, MAc the RAT. Just like I SAID I was
going to be when you last THREATENED me!
LOL..............................!~!!!!!~!
And there's NOTHING..... NOTHING..... Nothing what-so-fucking-EVER
that you can do about it.
Nothing.
Did I mention lately that president Obama is a nigger.....???
OBAMA IS A BLUBBER-LIPPED, KINKY-HEADED HALF-BREED COON-ASS nigger.
I couldn't remember. Just in case though, I thought I'd mention it.
Sortuv refresh things in your memory as to just how powerless you are
to stop THE OTHER FUCKING SIDE from exercising their first amendment
RIGHTS.
LOL..............................!~!!!!!~!
The Nice Mean Man
Jeff
<pro...@walkingJeffdownthehalltothebathroom.com> wrote:
> Mack A. Damia <mybaconbu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> Having worked with autistic kids in
> > >> special education for many years, I can tell you that it's far more
> > >> complex than mere introversion.
>
> > >> And one out of 110 is less than 1%. Sounds reasonable.
>
> > >Yeah, but you're interchanging Aspergers and autism here. Not kosher.
>
> > Of course you know there's a spectrum.
>
> Aspergers diagnoses? Well, I've seen severely autistic children who
> obviously have something very wrong with them."
>
> You don't believe I have a sprained ankle? Well, check these photos I
> found on the Web of shattered ankles with bones sticking out through the
> skin.
You really have a sprained ankle? I can relate. All it took for me to
feel
like I had a sprained foot, was to eat 2 large cans of beans, to make
bean dip. 2 days later, my foot was swelled up twice it's size.
This happened a week ago, and I ended up in the emergency room.
How did you sprain your ankle? Did you get any pain pills? I did.
scouser
<pro...@walkingJeffdownthehalltothebathroom.com> wrote:
> Mack A. Damia <mybaconbu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> Having worked with autistic kids in
> > >> special education for many years, I can tell you that it's far more
> > >> complex than mere introversion.
>
> > >> And one out of 110 is less than 1%. Sounds reasonable.
>
> > >Yeah, but you're interchanging Aspergers and autism here. Not kosher.
>
> > Of course you know there's a spectrum.
>
> Aspergers diagnoses? Well, I've seen severely autistic children who
> obviously have something very wrong with them."
>
> You don't believe I have a sprained ankle? Well, check these photos I
> found on the Web of shattered ankles with bones sticking out through the
> skin.
Pity its not a sprained wrist.Maybe soon, God willing.
Fattuchus
>
> On Nov 15, 6:02 pm, TheWalrusWasDanny <dannyisthewal...@tesco.net>
> wrote:
>
> > I'm not saying he did have AS..I'm just opening it up for
> > discussion....
>
> Oh, in that case I'll start a thread wondering if maybe he had
> restless leg syndrome. ;-)
If you are talking about Lennon's third leg, yeh, he had restless leg
syndrome. :-)
Fattuchus
>
> From what i have read and seen and heard i think its wrong to put
> blame on Aunt Mimi - she gave what she was capable of giving and i am
> sure John knew this and appreciated her anyhow.
I don't like to use the word "blame." I think Mimi and Uncle George
did the best they could do. But they were involved in shaping John's
personality.
i think it was Julia
> who was wrong. She made John make a choice between his father and
> herself knowing all the time she was going home to Liverpool to hand
> over John to Mimi.
Well, yes, I thought that was selfish and misleading.
Now THAT seems to be just an action borne out of
> ego. So the little boy did not go with his Father (who he had
> originally chosen) and went instead with the Mother who abandoned him
> the very same day. Yes she was charming and fun etc etc and therefore
> still kept the love of the young John.So if there is blame for
> insecurity to be put anywhere i would suggest it is at her door it be
> placed. He lost a Father with whom he could have had fun and a Mother
> on the same day
We don't know what John's life would have been like with his father.
His dad was a drinker, had a criminal record, spent much of his life
working at sea, etc.
IMO what happened is that Julia married Alf at a young age, he went
off to sea, stopped sending her any money, and Julia was "stuck" (for
lack of a better word) with a young son whom she could not support
financially and had little time for. Julia was stuck in a
relationship that was a marriage in name only, and decided to move on
to other men. But she had a small child to care for which limited
her.
Julia finally met John Dykins, a decent bloke who truly cared for her
and wanted to live with Julia as man and wife (although they were not
married). I read that Dykins had children from other relationships,
so it was agreed that all children from other relationships would be
kept away so Dykins and Julia could concentrate on their own two
girls.
John's half sister Julia Baird disputes this. She claims Julia Lennon
was a good mom and wanted to keep John, but they lived in a small
apartment. Baird claims that Mimi intervened and interfered because
Mimi felt John was not being raised in a proper home. Baird claims
that Mimi went to the government, reported Julia and Dykins, and had
John forcibly removed.
Baird's version of events is very different than what is commonly
found in Bealtes history.
who?
wrote:
> Socially closed?
How?
> Obsessive about particular things?
Like with Yoko?
> Clumsy?
Where did you get this idea?
> Lack of Empathy?
Where did you get this idea?
> Talked about himself a lot?
He said he wrote songs about himself, and/or what he was
feeling at the time? Isn't this normal?
> Signs of genius in one particular subject?
Music, but some people are only good at doing one
thing.
> Odd?
Aren't we all?
> Avoided Eye Contact?
He looked people square in the eye, from what I've seen.
> Hated small talk?
He talked quite a lot from what I've seen.
>
> Discuss....
>
> Danny
What is there to discuss? I can't figure out why you
believe he has Aspergers syndrome? None of it
fits. It's not even close.
who?
> On Nov 16, 12:54 am, ermitano <maikelbur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 16 nov, 02:41, Fattuchus <fattuc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 15, 6:02 pm, TheWalrusWasDanny <dannyisthewal...@tesco.net>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > > I think you are trying to hammer a puzzle piece into place.
>
> > > > I'm not saying he did have AS..I'm just opening it up for
>
> > > > My Check list again...
>
> > > > Socially closed?
>
> > > > He went back to YO and willingly closed himself off from family and
> > > > friends...it's like he wanted it..
>
> > > Syndrome.
>
> > > First, John had a bossy, controlling wife.
>
> > > Second, and as someone once aptly mentioned here at rmb, IMO John knew
> > > that he tended to "run wild." Left on his own, John tended to consume
> > > large quantities of drugs and alcohol and get into trouble. Yoko was
> > > an Aunt Mimi figure to him: tough, cold, controlling, bossy. She kept
> > > John "in line."
>
> > oh my god! so Aunt Mimi was tough, cold, controlling and bossy... i
> > guess she was the real devil not Yoko!!
>
> I didn't say Mimi was the devil . . . . but that description is based
> on many bios. Everything I've read suggests Mimi was not the warm,
> carefree, hugs and kisses type of person, like her kid sister, Julia.
John said she was a nice person. I believe him.
who?
> On Nov 16, 6:47 am, TheWalrusWasDanny <dannyisthewal...@tesco.net>
> wrote:
>
> > > on many bios. Everything I've read suggests Mimi was not the warm,
> > > carefree, hugs and kisses type of person, like her kid sister, Julia.
>
> > This is yet another myth..Mimi was great..she took John in and raised
> > him..when fans visited her house during the Beatles heyday she'd
> > invite them in and give em a cup of tea. One of the ex rmbers that I
> > know well befriended her and used to visit regulary..she still
> > sporadically posts in here..it was her that put me in touch with
> > Lizzie Bravo who commented on the Across the Universe vid...
>
> > Danny
>
> Perhaps my words were unclear or accidentally harsh. Yes, Mimi was
> very generous and kind to take John in. But I agree with the comments
> made by another poster that Mimi and her sister Julia were quite
> opposite in tempermant. Julia was carefree, liked art and music,
> liked to party, had many boyfriends, joked around, had three kids out
> of wedlock, etc.
And abandoned her own son...not a nice person.
Fattuchus
>
> And abandoned her own son...not a nice person.-
I agree. But her daughter, Julia Baird, disputes that and claims the
government took John away against his mother's wishes. IIRC Baird
writes about this in her book called Imagine.
F Parella
wrote:
> Socially closed?
> Obsessive about particular things?
> Clumsy?
> Lack of Empathy?
> Avoided Eye Contact?
> Hated small talk?
>
> Discuss....
>
> Danny
Not to be sarcastic, but Aspergers is the diagnosis de jour, isn't
it? It's been on all the talk shows, there's a (great) episode of Law
& Order CI on it (where we learn at the end that this hopelessly
socially inept Asperger's sufferer is actually a brilliant killer),
and I'm hearing increasingly that artists and musicians I admire are
(allegedly) afflicted with it. There's a virtuoso drummer I admire
who gets furious at fans who invade his dressing rooms. This, I've
lately leaned, is due to Aspergers.
In Lennon's case, I'd say that his social isolation was mostly a
product of Ono. Look at all the friendships and musical
collaborations he got into as soon as Yoko was out of the damned
picture! Tragically, he fell right back into it as soon as he
returned to the shrew.
I agree that Lennon had some of the characteristics you mention
(there's some evidence of physical clumsiness, obsessiveness, and he
certainly loved talking about himself), but I don't think they add up
to Asperger's. For example, Lennon tended to dabble in various
subjects (e.g., radical politics, primal therapy, mysticism, pop
history) rather than demonstrating encyclopedic knowledge in just
one.
F Parella
> On Nov 15, 11:43 pm, "BlackMonk" <BlackM...@email.msn.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "TheWalrusWasDanny" <dannyisthewal...@tesco.net> wrote in message
>
> >news:b5bce46a-8390-4fb7...@fv1g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
>
>
> > > I'm not saying he did have AS..I'm just opening it up for
> > > discussion....AS sufferers are within a wide spectrum..
>
> > > My Check list again...
>
> > > Socially closed?
>
> > > He went back to YO and willingly closed himself off from family and
> > > friends...it's like he wanted it..
>
> > from the entire world. He just didn't spend as much time with the people
> > that you think he should have spent time with.
>
> world like Greta Garbo or Howard Hughs. There were a number of
> reports that his English family, including Julian and his half sister
> Julia Baird, had trouble reaching him at times.
I've heard that, during his years of seclusion, he was actually quite
fixated on Howard Hughes, reading multiple biographies of him and so
forth. (Is it true HH was bisexual?) Mintz says that he would
actually great Lennon as Mr. Hughes - something I'm sure Mintz
regretted admitting to after Goldman's book came out and he (Mintz)
and Ono tried to deny that Lennon had ever been a recluse.
oi
> In Lennon's case, I'd say that his social isolation was mostly a
> product of Ono. Look at all the friendships and musical
> collaborations he got into as soon as Yoko was out of the damned
> picture! Tragically, he fell right back into it as soon as he
> returned to the shrew.
Does she inhabit your dreams also?
Nil
> Does she inhabit your dreams also?
He can't sleep - if he does, Yoko will enter his dreams and try to kill
him
TheWalrusWasDanny
> On 17 Nov 2010, oi <bellyfl...@yahoo.com> wrote in rec.music.beatles:
>
> > Does she inhabit your dreams also?
>
> He can't sleep - if he does, Yoko will enter his dreams and try to kill
> him
I was a bit scared that YO might turn up in McSorleys!!
I can't deny it!!
Danny
brilton
Why? What have you got to fear from her?
Nil
in rec.music.beatles:
> I was a bit scared that YO might turn up in McSorleys!!
>
> I can't deny it!!
I think if she had, you two would had a beer and a laugh and a big hug
on the way out.
who?
First I've ever heard this.
oi
wrote:
> I was a bit scared that YO might turn up in McSorleys!!
She has people who do that for her. They take pictures.
Fattuchus
Fattuchus
She might start singing and shatter all the beer glasses.
brilton
No, it was a serious question. Is he afraid that she carries a Samurai
sword around with her?
Fattuchus
In that case, then I'll let Danny address that if he wishes. I don't
know that Danny was being serious.
As far as I could see, everyone had a happy time at McSorley's.
Fattuchus
Yes, it came as a surprise to me too. BTW, I believe Baird's book
influenced or even formed the basis for the movie Nowhere Boy.
In her book and during interviews, Baird speaks with great affection
about her parents, Jullia Lennon and John Dykins, but has a harsher
view towards Julia's sisters, including Mimi. For example, when
Baird's mother Julia Lennon died, the family did not immediately tell
Baird or her little sister, Jackie. Baird and Jackie were young girls
at the time. Instead, they were taken away from John Dykins and forced
to live a distance away with one of John's aunts (I
forget . . . .Harriet??).
IIRC the government would not allow the girls to live with their
father (whom they loved) because their parents were not married.
Julia Baird and Jackie were told weeks later that their mother had
been killed in a car accident. For several weeks the family misled
the girls to think their mother was alive. I sense from her book that
Baird felt betrayed and felt as if she never had the proper chance to
say goodbye to her mother or to mourn.
IIRC Baird also reported in her book that she felt as if she and
Jackie were never fully accepted into the Stanley family. ("Stanley"
was Julia Lennon's maiden name) I have not read the book in a long
while, but IIRC Baird felt that Mimi looked down on little Julia and
Jackie because they were born out of wedlock.
brilton
Even if Yoko had turned up? I can picture the scene....
"Yoko, how nice to meet you. There's a whole bunch of Beatles fans here,
let me introduce you around...
"This is TheWalrusWasDanny. He's just finished singing the entire
Beatles catalogue and put it all on YouTube. He thinks you're "shite"
and that you broke up the Beatles. Oh, he has one or two of your albums
though...
"And this is Fattuchus. She's a huge fan. There's not a day that goes by
without her posting things about you on the internet. But she doesn't
think you're an artist, and she reckons the avant garde singing you used
to do sounds like animals being tortured. Ha ha! Oh and she also likes
to imply that you wanted John dead so you could live your life free of
him. Says you were "tired of being Mrs Lennon"."
UsurperTom
wrote:
> I was a bit scared that YO might turn up in McSorleys!!
She probably sent private investigators there.
Fattuchus
> On 18/11/10 2:38 PM, Fattuchus wrote:
>
> > On Nov 18, 1:32 am, brilton<notl...@yacht.net> wrote:
>
> >> No, it was a serious question. Is he afraid that she carries a Samurai
> >> sword around with her?-
>
> > In that case, then I'll let Danny address that if he wishes. I don't
> > know that Danny was being serious.
>
> > As far as I could see, everyone had a happy time at McSorley's.
>
> Even if Yoko had turned up? I can picture the scene....
>
> "Yoko, how nice to meet you. There's a whole bunch of Beatles fans here,
> let me introduce you around...
>
> "This is TheWalrusWasDanny. He's just finished singing the entire
> Beatles catalogue and put it all on YouTube. He thinks you're "shite"
> and that you broke up the Beatles. Oh, he has one or two of your albums
> though...
What's so unhappy about this . . . . especially after a few beers?
>
> "And this is Fattuchus. She's a huge fan. There's not a day that goes by
> without her posting things about you on the internet. But she doesn't
> think you're an artist, and she reckons the avant garde singing you used
> to do sounds like animals being tortured. Ha ha! Oh and she also likes
> to imply that you wanted John dead so you could live your life free of
> him. Says you were "tired of being Mrs Lennon"."
OK. So where is the "unhappy time"?
TheWalrusWasDanny
> Even if Yoko had turned up? I can picture the scene....
>
> "Yoko, how nice to meet you. There's a whole bunch of Beatles fans here,
> let me introduce you around...
>
> "This is TheWalrusWasDanny. He's just finished singing the entire
> Beatles catalogue and put it all on YouTube. He thinks you're "shite"
> and that you broke up the Beatles. Oh, he has one or two of your albums
> though...
Well...had YO turned up at McSorleys...it might have been a bit
uncomfortable..since I *do* think she's conniving and split up the
fabs..and I wouldn't really be able to hide it...I guess politeness
would prevail...
Danny
Fattuchus
> On Nov 18, 1:27 am, TheWalrusWasDanny <dannyisthewal...@tesco.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Well...had YO turned up at McSorleys...it might have been a bit
> > uncomfortable..since I *do* think she's conniving and split up the
> > fabs..and I wouldn't really be able to hide it...I guess politeness
> > would prevail...
>
> > Danny
>
> something like this a few months before McSorleys in some thread. .
>
> That wouldn't be "politeness prevailing", that would rightfully be
> called "wussing out".
My feelings are similar to Danny's. Although it does depend on how
many beers a person consumes at the time. <g>
IMO, in some circumstances, politeness can be the same or similar to
"wussing out." Some circumstances do call for confrontation; others
call for "biting one's tongue."
brilton
Well, you've effusively endorsed the rmb members you've met over a beer
to other posters in here who haven't met them in person and are less
enthusiastic about... I just thought that if you'd met Yoko in person
you might have the same sort of reaction.
oi
Wait for it.
Fattuchus
> politeness rather than genuine kind?
One does not always exclude the other. Why can't it be self
interested politeness and genuine?
I may sincerely dislike someone and have logical reason to dislike
them, but I may not want to tell them to their
face because I hate hurting their feelings.
>
> To me manners don't count unless they are backed by real kindness
> which goes deeper than wanting to not rock the boat or be cruel face
> to face and then going right back to talking the same stuff about the
> person when they are out of the room- especially if it is repetitive.
>
> I don't care if you guys talk smack about Yoko forever, it's the
> disconnect I don't get.
I don't know what you mean by "disconnect."
Crisstti
I haven't read the book, but I'm sure I read a relatively long review
of it or article about it where they said she said that. Who knows if
it can be known for sure. It would make things look very different.
Fattuchus
If the government intervened and removed John from his mother, I would
assume that, at the time, there were some records generated. The
question is do these still exist?
who?
Too late for John. He may felt much better.
who?
From the early 40's? It's possible.
F Parella
>
> > On Nov 18, 1:32 am, brilton<notl...@yacht.net> wrote:
>
> >> No, it was a serious question. Is he afraid that she carries a Samurai
> >> sword around with her?-
>
> > In that case, then I'll let Danny address that if he wishes. I don't
> > know that Danny was being serious.
>
> > As far as I could see, everyone had a happy time at McSorley's.
>
> Even if Yoko had turned up? I can picture the scene....
>
> "Yoko, how nice to meet you. There's a whole bunch of Beatles fans here,
> let me introduce you around...
But then you'd have to explain who or what this obscure phenomenon
called "Beatles" is.
Yoko, after all, is "from the art world. And when you're in the art
world, a Beatle is well...you know."
F Parella
> On 17 Nov 2010, TheWalrusWasDanny <dannyisthewal...@tesco.net> wrote
> in rec.music.beatles:
>
> > I was a bit scared that YO might turn up in McSorleys!!
>
> > I can't deny it!!
>
> I think if she had, you two would had a beer and a laugh and a big hug
> on the way out.
Yep. Sounds just like Yoko, beer and bear hugs.
F Parella
<pro...@walkingJeffdownthehalltothebathroom.com> wrote:
> brilton <notl...@yacht.net> wrote:
> > > I was a bit scared that YO might turn up in McSorleys!!
>
> > > I can't deny it!!
>
>
> watching the cockroaches scatter.
Yeah, Yoko really repels cockroaches. Mintz, Havadtoy, Gruen - she
had them fleeing in fear.
Fattuchus
LOL!
Fattuchus
One of her art shows was Life of a Cockroach, IIRC.
Lord Valve
> Socially closed?
> Obsessive about particular things?
> Clumsy?
> Lack of Empathy?
> Talked about himself a lot?
> Signs of genius in one particular subject?
> Odd?
> Avoided Eye Contact?
> Hated small talk?
>
> Discuss....
>
> Danny
Doubtful.
He was a commie and a creep and had horrible taste
in broads, but he wasn't an Aspie. I read a bunch of this
thread, and I saw several places where folks thought
Aspies wouldn't make good musicians. Nonsense.
Aspies are fascinated with intricate stuff...electronics,
math, engineering...lots of coders are Aspies, especially
game designers. And music can be damned intricate,
but Lennon didn't produce music that was anywhere
near complex. Here's a short list of folks who were
thought (or known) to be Aspies:
Temple Grandin, Ursula LeGuin, Albert Einstein,
Gene Roddenberry, Charles Darwin, Thomas Edison,
Mark Twain, M.C. Escher, Johann S. Bach, Max Planck,
J.R.R. Tolkien, Jean Ayres, Dylan Thomas, Pablo Picasso,
Linus Torvalds, Galileo, Arthur C. Clarke, Franz Kafka,
Glenn Gould, Benjamin Franklin, Margaret Mead, Aristotle...
Hmmm...JS Bach and Glenn Gould. Pretty high-caliber
dudes when it comes to music, I'd say. Lots of people
think Aspies would be nervous onstage, intimidated
by the audience, etc...not so. Onstage, you are in
*control* of the audience to a large degree, and Aspies
thrive on that. Hell, everyone on this NG probably
knows a musician who's a high-functioning Aspie,
but you don't realize it. You probably just think they're
assholes. They're the dudes who play their asses
off on the stand but don't get along with the other
cats in the band all that well, and they suck at hustling
broads in the crowd. Probably not that interested in
what you have to say, either.
I'd know.
Lord Valve
cbeck...@gmail.com
BTW, Bob Dylan most certainly has Aspergers. He is no stranger to the stage.
On Monday, November 15, 2010 2:12:24 PM UTC-8, The Home Guard wrote:
> TheWalrusWasDanny wrote:
> > Socially closed?
> > Obsessive about particular things?
> > Clumsy?
> > Lack of Empathy?
> > Talked about himself a lot?
> > Signs of genius in one particular subject?
> > Odd?
> > Avoided Eye Contact?
> > Hated small talk?
>
> every night for the five years or so that The Beatles did? I'm no expert
> on the subject...
>
> I think that, more than anything else, John showed classic signs of
> someone who never came to terms with losing people close to him early in
> life.
>
> --
> My band: feedback always welcome
> http://thehomeguard.bandcamp.com
> www.thehomeguard.info/music.html
who?
> Socially closed?
> Obsessive about particular things?
> Clumsy?
> Lack of Empathy?
> Talked about himself a lot?
> Signs of genius in one particular subject?
> Odd?
> Avoided Eye Contact?
> Hated small talk?
>
>
> Danny
You being a fan all these years, you should know already he
didn't have this. Why would you ask?
Nil
rec.music.beatles:
death and there's a wide spectrum of severity of the condition. I think
it's entirely possible that John could have fallen in there somewhere.
Danny's post is from well over two years ago.
who?
> On 26 Jan 2013, "who?" <yourimag...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
>
> rec.music.beatles:
>
>
>
> > On Monday, November 15, 2010 4:03:26 PM UTC-6, TheWalrusWasDanny
>
> > wrote:
>
> >> Socially closed?
>
> >> Obsessive about particular things?
>
> >> Clumsy?
>
> >> Lack of Empathy?
>
> >> Talked about himself a lot?
>
> >> Signs of genius in one particular subject?
>
> >> Odd?
>
> >> Avoided Eye Contact?
>
> >> Hated small talk?
>
> >>
>
> >> Discuss....
>
> >>
>
> >> Danny
>
> >
>
> > You being a fan all these years, you should know already he
>
> > didn't have this. Why would you ask?
>
>
>
> How do you know he didn't?
The syndrome wasn't named until after John's
> death and there's a wide spectrum of severity of the condition. I think
>
> it's entirely possible that John could have fallen in there somewhere.
> Danny's post is from well over two years ago.
and we're both responding to it. We could talk about
the mumps and the measles:D
who?
>
> rec.music.beatles:
>
>
>
> > On Monday, November 15, 2010 4:03:26 PM UTC-6, TheWalrusWasDanny
>
> > wrote:
>
> >> Socially closed?
>
> >> Obsessive about particular things?
>
> >> Clumsy?
>
> >> Lack of Empathy?
>
> >> Talked about himself a lot?
>
> >> Signs of genius in one particular subject?
>
> >> Odd?
>
> >> Avoided Eye Contact?
>
> >> Hated small talk?
>
> >>
>
> >> Discuss....
>
> >>
>
> >> Danny
>
> >
>
> > You being a fan all these years, you should know already he
>
> > didn't have this. Why would you ask?
>
>
>
> How do you know he didn't? The syndrome wasn't named until after John's
>
> death and there's a wide spectrum of severity of the condition. I think
>
> it's entirely possible that John could
John did as a musician. If it weren't for Danny always saying
this nonsense that Yoko broke up the Beatles, I probably
wouldn't have even responded. But the questions like was
he odd and did he talk about himself a lot are so obvious.
He talked about himself a lot cause of who he was. The
question, did he avoid eye contact is probably the silliest
question of all. Have you ever seen him avoid eye contact?
He was one of those people that spoke his mind, (as you know)
quite often. He wasn't shy about that.